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A34675 A defence of Mr. John Cotton from the imputation of selfe contradiction, charged on him by Mr. Dan. Cavvdrey written by himselfe not long before his death ; whereunto is prefixed, an answer to a late treatise of the said Mr. Cavvdrey about the nature of schisme, by John Owen ... Cotton, John, 1584-1652.; Owen, John, 1616-1683. Of schisme. 1658 (1658) Wing C6427; ESTC R2830 62,631 184

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me denyed that it was denyed by me he cannot prove but that the contrary was proved by me is evident to all impartiall men that have Considered my Treatise although I cannot allow that the separation in the Church of Corinth was carried to that height as is by him pretended namely as to seperate from the ordinances of the Lord's supper their disorder and division about and in it's Administration are reproved not their separation from it only on that supposition made I confesse I was somewhat surprised with the delivery of his judgment in reference to many of his owne party whom he condemnes of schisme for not administring the Lord's supper to all the Congregation with whom they pray and preach I suppose the greatest part of the most godly and able ministers of the Persbyterian way in England and Scotland are here cast into the same condition of Schismaticks with the Independents And the truth is I am not yet without hopes of seeing a faire coalescency in love and Church Communion between the reforming Presbyterians and Independents though for it they shall with some suffer under the unjust imputatation of schisme But it is incredible to think whithermen will suffer themselves to be carried studio partium and {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} Hence have we the strange notions of this Authour about Schisme decaies in Grace are Schisme and errours in the Faith are Schisme and Schisme and Apostacy are things of the same kind differing only in degree because the one leades to the other as one sinne of one kind doth often to another drunkennesse to whoredome and envy and malice to lying that differences about civile matters like that of Paul and Barnabas are schisme and this by one blaming me for a departure from the sense of antiquity unto which these insinuations are so many monsters Let us then proceed That Acts 14. 4. Acts 19. 9 18 are pertinently used to discover prove the nature of Schisme in an evangelically ecclesiasticall sense or were ever cited by any of the Antients to that purpose I suppose our Authour on second consideration will not affirme I understand not the sense of this Argument the multitude of the city was divided and part held with the Jewes and part with the Apostle therefore Schisme in a Gospell Church state is not only a division in a Church or that it is a separation into new Churches or that it is something more than the breach of the Union appointed by Christ in an instituted Church much lesse doth any thing of this nature appeare from Paul's seperating the Disciples whom he had converted to the Faith from the unbelieving hardened Jewes an account whereof is given us Act. 19. 9. So then that in this Chapter there is any thing produced de novo to prove that the precise Scripture notion of Schisme in it 's ecclesiasticall sense extends it selfe any further than differences divisions separations in a Church and that a particular Church I find not and doe once more desire our Authour that if he be otherwise minded to spare such another trouble to our selves and others as that wherein we are now engaged he would assigne me some time and place to attend him for the clearing of the truth between us Of Schisme Act. 20. 30. Heb. 10. 28. Jud. 19. there is no mention nor are those places interpreted of any such thing by any Expositors new or old that ever I yet saw nor can any sense be imposed on them enwrapping the nature of Schisme with the least colour or pretence of Reason But now by our Authour Schisme and Apostacy are made things of on kind differing only in degrees pag. 107. so confounding Schisme and heresy contrary to the Constant sense of all antiquity Act. 20. 30. The Apostle speakes of men speaking perverse things to draw away Disciples that is teaching them false doctrines contrary to the truths wherein they had been by him instructed in his Revealing unto them the whole counsell of God vers. 27. This by the Antients is called heresie and is contradistinguished unto Schisme by them constantly So Austin an 100 times To draw men from the Church by drawing them into pernitious errours false doctrine being the cause of their falling off is not schisme nor so called in Scripture nor by any of the Antients that ever yet I observed That the designe of the Apostle in the Epistle to the Hebrewes is to preserve and keep them from Apostasie unto Judaisme besides that it is attested by a cloud of witnesses is to evident from the thing it selfe to be denyed chapt. 10. 25 he warnes them of a common entrance into that fearfull condition which he describes vers. 26 their neglect of the Christian Assemblies was the doore of their Apostacy to Judaisme what is this to schisme would we charge a man with that crime whom we saw neglecting our assemblies and likely to fall into Judaisme are there not more forceable considerations to deale with him upon and doth not the Apostle make use of them Jude 19 hath been so farre spoken unto already that it may not fairely be insisted on againe Parvas habet spes Troja sitables habet In the entrance of the fifth Chapter he takes advantage from my question p. 147. who told him that raising causelesse differences in a Church and then separating from it is not in my judgment schisme when the first part of the assertion included in that interrogation expresseth the formal nature of Schisme which is not destroyed nor can any man be exonerated of it's guilt by the subsequent crime of separation whereby it is aggravated 1 Joh. 2. 19 is againe mentioned to this purpose of schism to as little purpose so also is Heb. 10. 25 both places treat of Apostates who are charged and blamed under other termes than that of Schisme There is in such departures as in every division whatever of that which was in Union somewhat of the generall nature of schisme but that particular crime and guilt of schisme in it's restrained Ecclesiasticall sense is not included in them In his following discourse he renewes his former Charges of denying their ordinances and ministry of separating from them and the like as to the former part of this Charge I have spoken in the entrance of this discourse for the latter of separating from them I say we have no more separated from them then they have from us our right to the celebration of the ordinances of God's worship according to the light we have received from him is in this nation as good as theirs and our plea from the Gospell we are ready to maintaine against them according as we shall at any time be called thereunto If any of our judgment deny them to be Churches I doubt not but he knowes who comes not behind in returnall of Charges on our Churches Doth the Reverend Authour thinke or imagine that we have not in our owne judgment more reason to deny their
setting it out for the most part by similitudes and Metaphoricall Illustrations to lead poore weak Creatures into some usefull needfull acquaintance with that Mystery whose depths in this life they shall never fathome That many in the daies wherein we live have miscarried in their conceptions of it is evident some to make out their Imaginary Union have destroyed the person of Christ and fancying a way of uniting man to God by him have left him to be neither God nor Man Others have destroyed the Person of Believers affirming that in their Union with Christ they loose their owne personality that is cease to be Men or at least those are these Individuall men I intend not now to handle it at large but only and that I hope without offence to give in my thoughts concerning it as farre as it receiveth light from and relateth unto what hath been before delivered concerning the Indwelling of the Spirit that without the least contending about other waies of Expression So far there with much more to the purpose in the very place of my book of Schisme referred to by this Author I affirme as the head of what I assert that by the indwelling of the spirit Christ personall and his Church do become one Christ mysticall 1 Cor. 12. 12. The very expression insisted on by him in my former Treatise and so you have an issue of this selfe-Contradiction concerning which though reports be urged for some other things Mr Cawdry might have said what Lucian doth of his true History {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} Let us then consider the 4th which is thus Placed 1. In extraordinary cases every one that undertakes to preach the Gospell must have an immediate Call from God pag. 28. 2. Yet required no more of before but Gif●s Consent of the People which are ordinary and mediate Calls p. 15. neither is here any need or use of an immediate Call pag. 53 3. To assure a man that he is extraordily called he gives 3 wayes 1 Immediate revelation 2 Concurrence of Scripture rule 3 Some outward acts of Providence The two last whereof are mediate Calls pag. 30. All that is here remarked and Cast into 3 Columnes I know not well why is taken out of that one Treatise of the duty of Pastours People And could I give my selfe the least Assurance that any one would so farre concerne himselfe in this Charge as to Consult the Places from whence the words are Pretended to be taken to see whether there be any thing in them to answer the cry that is made I should spare my selfe the labour of adding any one syllable towards their vindication and might most safely so doe there being not the least colour of opposition betweene the things spoken of In briefe Extraordinary Cases are not all of one sort and nature in some an extraordinary call may be required in some not Extraordinary calls are not all of one kind and nature neither some may be immediate from God in the wayes there by me described some calls may be said to be extraordinary because they doe in some things come short of or goe beyond the ordinnary rule that ought to be observed in well Constituted Churches Againe concurrence of Scripture rules and acts of outward Providence may be such sometimes as are suited to an ordinary sometimes to an extraordinary Call All which are at large unfolded in the Places directed unto by our Authour and all laid in their owne order without the least shadow of Contradiction But it may sometimes be said of good men as the Satyristsaid of evill Women fortem animum praestant rebus quas turpiter audent Goe we to the next 1. The Church Government from which I desire not to wander is the Presbyteriall 2. He now is ingaged in the independent way 3. Is setled in that way which he is ready to maintain and knows it will be found his rejoycing in the day of the Lord Jesus Hinc mihi sola malilabes This is that inexpiable crime that I labour under an account of this whole businesse I have given in my Review So that I shall not here trouble the Reader with a repetition of what he is so litle concerned in I shall only adde that whereas I suppose Mr Cawdrey did subscribe unto the 39 Articles at his Ordination were it of any concernement to the Church of God or the interest of truth or were it a Comely and a Christian part to engage in such a worke I could manifest Contradictions between what he then solemnly subscribed to and what he hath since written and Preached manyfold above what he is able to draw out of this alteration of my Judgment Be it here then declared that whereas I sometimes apprehended the Presbyterial Synodicall Government of Churches to have been fit to be received and walked in then when I knew not but that it answered those principles which I had taken up upon my best enquiry into the word of God I now professe my selfe to be satisfied that I was then under a mistake and that I doe now own and have for many yeares lived in the way and practice of that called Congregationall And for this Alteration of Judgment of all men I feare least a Charge from them or any of them whom within a few yeares we saw reading the service book in their surplices c against which things they doe now inveigh and declame What influence the perusall of Mr Cotton's Booke of the Keyes had on my thoughts in this businesse I have formerly declared The answer to it I suppose that written by himselfe is now recommended to me by this Authour as that which would have perhaps prevented my Change But I must needs tell him that as I have perused that book many yeares agoe without the Effect intimated so they must be things written with an other frame of spirit evidence of truth and manner of reasoning then any I can find in that booke that are likely for the future to lay hold upon my Reason and understanding Of my settlement in my present Perswasion I have not only given him an account formerly but with all Christian Courtesy tendred my selfe in a readinesse Personally to meet him to give him the proofes and reasons of my my perswasions which he is pleased to decline returne in way of answer That I Complemented him after the mode of the times when no such thing was intended And therefore my words of desiring liberty to waite upon him are expressed but the end and purpose for which it was desired are concealed in an c. But he addes another instance Men ought not to cut thēselves from the communion of the Church to rent the body of Christ and breake the sacred bond of Charity Duty 1. 48. 2 He sayes separation is no Schisme nor Schisme any breach of Charity pag. 48. 49. There is not one word in either of those cautions that I do not still
own and allow p. 44. sure not without Equivocation I have before owned this Caution as consistent with my present Judgment as expressed in my Booke of schisme and as it is indeed wherein lyes the appearance of Contradiction I am not able to discerne Doe not I in my Booke of Schisme Declare and prove that men ought not to cut themselves from the Communion of the Church That they ought not to rent the body of Christ that they ought not to break the sacred bonds of Charity Is there any word or tittle in the whole Discourse deviating from these Principles How and in what sense Separation is not Schisme that the nature of Schisme doth not consist in a breach of Charity the Treatise instanced will so farre declare as withall to Convince those that shall Consider what is spoken that our Authour scarce keeps close either to Truth or Charity in his framing of this Contradiction The Close of the Scheme lies thus I conceive they ought not at all to be allowed the benefit of private meeting who willfully abstaike from the publick Congregations As for liberty to be allowed to those that meet in private I confesse my-selfe to be otherwise minded I remember that about 15 yeeres agoe meeting occasionally with a learned Friend we fell into some debate about the liberty that began then to be claimed by men differing from what had been and what was then likely to be established having at that time made no farther enquiry into the grounds and reasons of such liberty then what had occurred to me in the writings of the Remonstrants all whose plea was still pointed towards the advantage of their owne interest I delivered my Judgment in opposition to the liberty pleaded for which was then defended by my learned Friend Not many yeares after discoursing the same difference with the same Person we found immediately that we had changed Stations I pleading for an Indulgence of liberty he for restraint whether that learned and worthy Person be of the same mind still that then he was or no directly I know not But this I know that if he be not Considering the Compasse of Circumstances that must be taken in to settle a right Judgment in this Case of Liberty and what alterations influencing the Determination of this Case we have had of late in this nation he will not be ashamed to owne his Change Being a Person who despises any reputation but what arises from the Embracing and pursuit of truth my Change I here owne my Judgment is not the same in this Particular as it was 14 yeeres ago j and in my Change I have good Company whome I need not to name I shall only say my Change was at least 12 yeares before the Petition and Advice wherein the Parliament of the three Nations is come up to my judgment And if Mr Cawdrey hath any thing to object to my Present Judgment let him at his next leisure Consider the Treatise that I wrote in the yeare 1648 about Toleration where he will find the whole of it expressed I suppose he will be doing and that I may almost say of him as Polycteutus did of Speusipus {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} And now Christian Reader I leave it to thy Judgment whether our Author had any just cause of all his outcryes of my inconstancy and selfe-Contradiction and whether it had not been advisable for him to have passed by this seeming advantage of the designe he professed to mannage rather than to have injured his owne Conscience and Reputation to so litle purpose Being sufficiently tired with the consideration of things of no relation to the Cause at first proposed but this saith he this the independents this the Brownists and Anabaptists c. I shall now only enquire after that which is set up in opposition to any of the principles of my Treatise of Schisme before mentioned or any of the propositions of the syllogismes wherein they are comprized at the beginning of this Discourse remarking in our way some such particular passages as it will not be to the disadvantage of our Reverend Authour to be reminded of Of the nature of the thing enquired after in the third Chapter I find no mention at all only he tels me by the way that the Doctor's assertion that my Booke about Schisme was one great schisme was not non sense but usuall Rhetoricke wherein profligate sinners may be called by the name of sin and therefore a Booke about Schisme may be called a schisme I wish our Authour had found some other way of excusing his Doctor then by making it worse himselfe In the fourth Chapter he comes to the businesse it selfe and if in passing thorough that with the rest that follow I can fix on any thing rising up with any pretence of opposition to what I have laid down it shall not be omitted for things by my selfe asserted or acknowledged on all hands or formerly ventilated to the utmost I shall not againe trouble the Reader with them such are the positions about the generall nature of Schisme in things naturall and politicall antecedently considered to the limitation and restriction of it to it's Ecclesiasticall use the departure from Churches voluntary or compelled c all which were stated in my first Treatise and are not directly opposed by our Authour such also is that doughty Controversie he is pleased to raise and pursue about the seat and subject of Schisme with it's restriction to the instituted worship of God pag. 18. 19 so placed by me to distinguish the Schisme whereof we speake from that which is naturall as also from such differences and breaches as may fall out amongst men few or more upon civill and rationall accounts all which I exclude from the enjoyment of any roome or place in our consideration of the true nature of schisme in it's limited Ecclesiasticall sense The like also may be affirmed concerning the ensuing strife of words about separation and schisme as though they were in my apprehension of them inconsistent which is a fancy no better grounded than sundry other which our Reverend Authour is pleased to make use of His whole passage also receives no other security than what is afforded to it by turning my universall proposition into a particular what I say of all places in the Scripture where the name or thing of schisme is used in an ecclesiasticall sense as relating to a Gospell Church he would restraint to that one place of the Corinths where alone the word is used in that sense However if that one place be all my proposition is universall take then my proposition in it's extent and latitude and let him try once more if he please what he hath to object to it for as yet I find no instance produced to alleviate it's truth He much also insists that there may be a separation in a Church where there is no separation from a Church and saith this was at first by
A DEFENCE Of Mr. JOHN COTTON From the imputation of SELFE CONTRADICTION charged on him by Mr. DAN CAVVDREY Written by himselfe not long before his death Whereunto is prefixed an Answer to a late Treatise of the said Mr. CAVVDREY about the nature of SCHISME BY JOHN OWEN D D {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} Tit. 1. 7. OXFORD Printed by H HALL for T. ROBINSON 1658. CHRISTIAN READER I have not much to say unto thee concerning the insuing Treatise it will speake for it selfe with all impartiall men much lesse shall I insist on the commendation of it's Authour who also being dead {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} and will be so I am perswaded whilest Christ hath a Church upon the Earth The Treatise it selfe was written sundry yeeres agoe immediately upon the publishing of Mr Cawdryes Accusation against him I shall not need to give an account whence it hath been that it saw the light no sooner it may suffice that in mine own behalfe and of others I doe acknowledge that in the doing of sundry things seeming of more importance this ought not to have been omitted The judgment of the Authour approving of this vindication of himselfe as necessary considering the place he held in the Church of God should have been a rule unto us for the performance of that duty which is owing to his worth and piety in doing and suffering for the Truth of God It is now about 7 months agoe since it came into my hands and since I ingaged my selfe into the publication of it my not immediate proceeding therein being sharply rebuked by a fresh charge upon my selfe from that hand under which this worthy Person so farre suffered as to be necessitated to the ensuing defensative I have here discharged that ingagement The Author of the charge against him in his Epistle to that against me tel's his Reader that it is thought that it was intended by another and now promised by my selfe to be published to cast a Slurre upon him so are our intentions judged so our wayes by thoughts and reports Why a Vindication of Mr Cotton should cast a slurre upon Mr Cawdry I know not Is he concern'd in Spirit or Reputation in the Acquitment of an holy reverend Person now at rest with Christ from imputations of inconstancie and selfe contradiction Is there not roome enough in the world to beare the good names of Mr Cotton and Mr Cawdry but that if one be vindicated the other must be slurred He shall find now by experience what assistance he found from him who loved him to beare his charge and to repell it without any such reflection on his Accuser as might savour of an intention to slurre him mala mens malus animus the measure that men feare from others they have commonly meted out unto them before hand He wishes those that intend to rake in the ashes of the dead to consider whether they shall deserve any thankes for their labour How the covering of the dead with their own comely garments comes to be a raking into their ashes I know not His name is alive though he be dead It was that not his person that was attempted to be wounded by the charge against him to powre forth that balme for it 's healing now he is dead which himselfe provided whilest he was alive without adding or diminishing one syllable is no rakeing into his ashes and I hope the {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} of the Reverend Authour will not allow him to be offended that this friendly office is performed to a dead Brother to publish this his defence of his own innocency written in obedience to a prime dictate of the law of Nature against the wrong which was not done him in secret But the intendment of this prefatory discourse being my own concernment in reference to a late tract of Mr Cawdries bearing in it's Title and Superscription a vindication from my unjust clamours and false aspersions I shall not detaine the Reader with any farther discourse of that which he will find fully debated in the insuing Treatise it selfe but immediately addresse my selfe to that which is my present peculiar designe By what wayes and meanes the difference betwixt us is come to that issue wherein now it stands stated in the expressions before mentioned I shall not need to repeat Who first let out those waters of strife who hath filled their streames with bitternesse clamour false aspersions is left to the judgment of all that feare the Lord who shall have occasion at any time to reflect upon those discourses How ever it is come to passe I must acknowledge that the state of the Controversy betweene us is now degenerated into such an uselesse strife of words as that I dare publickly owne engagemēts into studies of so much more importance unto the interest of truth Piety and literature as that I cannot with peace in my own retirements be much farther conversant therein Only whereas I am not in the least convinced that Mr Cawdry hath given satisfaction to my former Expostulations about the injuries done me in his other Treatise and hath evidently added to the number and weight of them in this I could not but lay hold of this opportunity given by my discharging a former promise once more to remind him of some miscarriages exceedingly unbecomeing his profession and calling which I shall doe in a briefe review of his Epistle and Treatise Upon the consideration whereof without charging him or his way with schisme in great letters on the Title-page of this book I doubt not but it will appear that the guilt of the crime he falsly unjustly uncharitably chargeth upon others may be laid more equitably at his own door and that the shortnesse of the covering to hide themselves used by him and others from the inquisition made after them for schisme upon their own principles will not be supplyed by such outcryes as those he is pleased to use after them who are least of all men concerned in the matter under contest there being no solid medium whereby they may be impleaded And in this discourse I shall as I suppose put an end to my engagement in this controversy I know no man whose patience will inable him to abide alwayes in the consideration of things to so little purpose were it not that men beare themselves on high by resting on the partiall adherence of many to their dictates it were impossible they should reape any contentment in their retirements from such a management of Controversies as this Independency is a great schisme it hath made all the divisions amongst us Brownists Anabaptists and all sectaries are Independents they deny our Ministers and Churches they seperate from us all errors come from among them this I have been told and that I have heard is the summe of this Treatise who they are of whom he speakes how they came into such a possession of all Church state in England
that all that are not with them are Schismatickes how de jure or de facto they came to be so instated what claime they can make to their present stations without schisme on their own principles whether granting the Church of England as constituted when they and we begun that which we call Reformation to have been a True instituted Church they have any Power of rule in it but what hath been got by violence what that is purely theirs hath any pretence of establishment from the scripture antiquity and the lawes of this land I say with these and the like things which are incumbent on him to cleare up before his Charges with us will be of any value our Authour troubleth not himselfe But to proceed to the particulars by him insisted on 1. He tels the Reader in his Epistle that his unwillingnesse to this rejoinder was heightned by the Necessity he found of discovering some personall weaknesses and forgetfulnesses in me upon my deny all of some things which were known to be true if he should proceed therin for what he intimates of the unpleasantnesse that it is to him to discover things of that importance in me when he professeth his designe to be to impaire my Authority so far that the cause I own may receive no countenance thereby I leave it to him who will one day reveale the secrets of all hearts which at present are open and naked unto him but how I pray are the things by me denyed known to be true seeing it was unpleasant and distastfull to him to insist upon them men might expect that his Evidence of them was not only open cleare undenyable and manifest as to it's truth but cogent as to their publication The whole insisted on is if there be any truth in reports hic nigrae succus loliginis haec est aerugo mera Is this a bottome for a Minister of the Gospel to proceed upon to such charges as those insinuated is not the course of Nature set on fire at this day by reports is any thing more contrary to the royall law of charity than to take up reports as the ground of charges and accusations Is there any thing more unbecoming a man laying aside all considerations of christianity than to suffer his judgment to be tainted much more his words and publick expressions in charging accusing others to be regulated by reports and whereas we are commanded to speak evill of no man may we not on this ground speak evill of all men and justify our selves by saying it is so if reports be true the Prophet tel's us that a combination for his defaming and reproach was managed among his Adversaries Jer. 20. 10. I have heard the defaming of many feare on every side report say they and we will report it if they can have any to goe before them in the Transgression of that Law which he who knowes how the tongues of men are set on fire of Hell gave out to lay a restraint upon them thou shalt not raise a false report Exod. 23. 1. They will second it and spread it abroad to the utmost for his disadvantage and trouble Whether this procedure of our Reverend Authour come not up to the practice of their designe I leave to his own conscience to judge Should men suffer their Spirits to be heightned by provocations of this nature unto a recharge from the same offensive dunghill of reports what monsters should we speedily be transformed unto but this being far frō being the only place wherein appeale is made to reports and hearesayes by our Authour I shall have occasion in the consideration of the severals of them to reassume this discourse For what he addes about the space of time wherein my former reply was drawn up because I know not whether he had heard any report insinuated to the contrary to what I affirmed I shall not trouble him with giving evidence thereunto but only adde that here he hath the product of halfe that time which I now interpose upon the review of my transcribed papers Only whereas it is said that Mc Cawdry is an antient man I cannot but wonder he should be so easy of beliefe Arist. Rhetor lib. 2. c. 18. tel's us {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} and not apt to believe whence on all occasions of discourse {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} but he believes all that comes to hand with an easy Faith which he hath totally in his own power to dispose of at pleasure That I was in passion when I wrote my review is his judgment but this is but man's day we are in expectation of that wherein the world shall be judged in righteousnesse it is to possible that my spirit was not in that frame in all things wherein it ought to have been but that the Reverend Authour knowes not I have nothing to say to this but that of the Philosopher {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} Epic. Cap. 48. Much I confesse was not spoken by me which he afterwards insisteth on to the Argumentative part of his booke which as in an answer I was not to looke for so to find had been a difficult taske As he hath nothing to say unto the differences among themselves both in judgment and practice soe how little there is in his recrimination of the differences among us as that one and the same man differeth from himselfe which charge he casts upon Mr Cotton and my selfe will speedily be manifested to all impartiall men For the Treatise it selfe whose consideration I now proceed unto that I may reduce what I have to say unto it unto the bounds intended in confining my defensative unto this Preface to the treatise of another I shall referre it unto certaine Heads that will be comprehensive of the whole and give the Reader a cleare and distinct view thereof I shall begin with that which is least handled in the two bookes of this Reverend Author though the summe of what was pleaded by me in my Treatise of Schisme For the discovery of the true nature of Schisme and the vindication of them who were falsly charged with the crime thereof I layd downe two Principles as the foundation of all that I Asserted in the whole cause insisted on which may briefly be reduced to these two Syllogismes 1. If in all and every place of the new Testament where there is mention made of Schisme name or thing in an Ecclesiasticall sence there is nothing intended by it but a divisiō in a particular Church then that is the proper Scripture notion of Schisme in the Ecclesiasticall sence but in all and every place c ergo The Proposition being cleare and evident in it's own light the Assumption was confirmed in my Treatise by an induction of the severall instances that might any way seeme to belong unto it My second principle was raised upon a concession of the generall nature of Schisme restrained with one necessary
limitation and amounts unto this Argument If Schisme in an Ecclesiasticall sense be the breach of an Union of Christ's institution then they who are not guilty of the breach of any union of Christ's Institution are not guilty of Schisme but so is Schisme Ergò The Proposition also of this Syllogisme with it's inference being unquestionable for the confirmation of the Assumption I considered the nature of all Church Union as instituted by Christ and pleaded the innocency of those whose defence in several degrees I had undertaken by their freedome from the breach of any Church Union Not finding the Reverend Authour in his first answer to speake clearely and distinctly to either of those principles but to proceed in a course of perpetual diversion from the thing in question with reflections charges c All rather I hope out of an unacquaintednesse with the true nature of argumentation than any perversenesse of spirit in cavilling at what he found he could not answer I earnestly desired him in my review that we might have a faire and friendly meeting personally to debate these principles which he had undertaken to oppose and so to prevent trouble to our selves and others in writing and reading things remote from the merit of the cause under agitation what returnes I have had hereto the Reader is now acquainted withall from his rejoinder the particulars where of shall be farther enquired into afterward The other parts of his two bookes consist in his charges upon me about my Judgment in sundry particulars not relating in the least that I can as yet understand unto the Controversy in hand As to his excursions about Brownists Anabaptists Seekers rending the peace of their Churches seperating from them the errours of the Seperatists and the like I cannot apprehend my selfe concerned to take notice of them to the other things an Answer shall be returned and a defence made so farre as I can judge it necessary It may be our Author seekes a Releife from the Charge of Schisme that lyes upon him and his party as they are called from others by mannaging the same charge against them who he thinkes will not returne it upon them but for my part I shall assure him that were he not in my judgment more acacquitted upon my principles than upon his owne I should be necessitated to stand upon even termes with him herein but to have advantages from want of charity as the Donatists had against the Catholickes is no Argument of a Good cause In the first Chapter there occurs not any thing of reall difference as to the cause under agitation that should require a review being spent wholy in things {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} And therefore I shall briefly animadvert on what seemes of most concernment therein in the manner of his procedure His former discourse and this also consisting much of my words perverted by adding in the close something that might wrest them to his owne purpose he tels me in the beginning of his third Chapter that this is to turne my testimony against my selfe which is as he saith and allowed way of the clearest victory which it seemes he aimeth at but nothing can be more remote from being defended with that pretence than this his way of proceeding 'T is not of urging a Testimony from me against me that I complained but the perverting of my words by either heading or closeing of them with his owne quite to other purposes than those of their owne intendment a way whereby any man may make other mens words to speake what he pleaseth as Mr Biddle hy his leading questions and knitting of Scriptures to his expressions in them makes an appearance of constraining the word of God to speake out all his Socinian blasphemies In this course he still continues and his very entrance gives us a pledge of what we are to expect in the processe of his management of the present businesse whereas I had said that considering the various interests of parties at difference there is no great successe to be promised by the management of Controversies though with never so much evidence and conviction of truth to the repetition of my words he subjoines the instance of Sectaries not restrained by the clearest demonstration of truth not weighing how facile a taske it is to supply Presbyterians in their room which in his account is it seemes to turne his testimony against himselfe as he somewhere phraseth it to turne the point of his sword into his owne bowels but nobis non licet esse tam disertis neither do we here either learne or teach any such way of disputation His following leaves are spent for the most part in slighting the Notion of Schisme by me insisted on and in reporting my arguments for it p. 8 9 12. in such a way and manner as argues that he either never understood them or is willing to pervert them The true nature and importance of them I have before laid downe and shall not now againe repeat Though I shall adde that his frequent repetition of his disproving that principle which it appeares that he never yet contended with all in its Full strength brings but little advantage to his cause with persons whose interest doth not compell them to take up things on trust How well he cleares himselfe from the charge of reviling and useing opprobrious reproachful termes although he professe himselfe to have been astonished at the charge may be seen in his justification of himselfe therein pag. 16 17 18 19. with his reinforceing every particular expression instanced in and yet he tels me for inferring that he discovered sanguinary thoughts in reference unto them whose removall from their native soyle into the wildernesse he affirmes England's happinesse would have consisted in that he hath much adoe to forbeare once more to say the Lord rebuke thee for my part I have received such a satisfactory tast of his spirit and way that as I shall not from henceforth desire him to keep in any thing that he can hardly forbeare to let out but rather to use his utmost liberty so I must assure him that I am very little concerned or not at all in what he shall be pleased to say or to forbeare for the time to come himselfe hath freed me of that concernment The first particular of value insisted on is his charge upon me for the deniall of all the Churches of England to be true Churches of Christ except the Churches gathered in a Congregationall way Having frequently and without hesitation charged this opinion upon me in his first answer knowing it to be very false I expostulated with him about it in my Reveiw Insteed of accepting the satisfaction tendered in my expresse deniall of any such thought or perswasion or tendering any satisfaction as to the wrong done me he seekes to justify himselfe in his charge and so persisteth therein The Reasons he gives of his so doing are not unworthy a little to be
young men came to advise about their ordination he diswaded them from it 4. He saith he would maintaine against all the Ministers of England there was in Scripture no such thing as Ordination 5. That when he was chosen a Parliament man he would not answer whether he was a Minister or not all which are notoriously untrue and some of them namely the two last so remote from any thing to give a pretence or colour unto them that I question whether Satan have impudence enough to owne himselfe their Author and yet from hearesayes reports rumours from table talk Vox populi and such other grounds of Reasoning this Reverend Author hath made them his owne and by such a charge hath I presume in the judgment of all unprejudiced men discharged me from further attending to what he shall be prompted from the like principles to divulge for the same end and purposes which hitherto he hath managed for the future For my judgment about their ministry and Ordination about the nature and efficacy of Ordination the state and power of particular Churches my owne station in the ministry which I shall at all times through the grace and assistance of our Lord Jesus Christ freely justify against men and devills it is so well knowne that I shall not need here further to declare it for the true nature and notion of Schisme alone by me enquired after in this chapter as I said I find nothing offerd thereunto only whereas I restrained the Ecclesiasticall use of the word Schisme to the sense wherein it is used in the places of Scripture that mention it with relation to Church affaires which that it ought not to be so nothing but asseverations to the contrary are produced to evince this is interpreted to extend to all that I would allow as to the nature of Schisme it selfe which is most false though I said if I would proceed no farther I might not be compelled so to do seeing in things of this nature we may crave allowance to think and speak with the Holy Ghost However I expressely comprised in my proposition all the places wherein the nature of Schisme is delivered under what termes or words soever When then I shall be convinced that such discourses as those of this Treatise made up of diversions into things wholy forraigne to the inquiry by me insisted on in the investigation of the true notion and nature of Schisme with long talkes about Anabaptists Brownists Sectaries Independents Presbyterians Ordination with charges and reflections grounded on this presumption that this Author and his party for we will no more contend about that expression are in solidum possessed of all true and orderly Church state in England so that whosoever are not of them are Schismaticks and I know not what besides he being Gallinae filius albae nos viles pulli nati infelicibus ovis I shall farther attend unto them I must farther adde that I was not so happy as to foresee that because I granted the Roman Party before the Reformation to have made outwardly a profession of the Religion of Christ although I expressed them to be really a party combined together for all ends of wickednesse and in particular for the extirpation of the true Church of Christ in the world having no state of union but what the Holy Ghost calls Babilon in opposition to Syon our Reverend Author would conclude as he doth pag. 34. that I allowed them to be a true Church of Christ but it is impossible for wiser men then I to see farre into the issue of such discourses and therefore we must take in good part what doth fall out and if the Reverend Author insteed of having his zeale warmed against me would a little bestirre his abilities to make out to the understandings and consciences of uninterested men that All ecclesiasticall power being vested in the Pope and Councills by the consent of that whole combination of men called the Church of Rome and flowing from the Pope in its execution to all others who in the derivation of it from him owned him as the immediate fountaine of it which they sware to maintaine in him and this in opposition to all Church power in any other persons whatsoever it was possible that any power should be derived from that combination but what came expressely from the fountaine mentioned I desire our Author would consider the frame of spirit that was in this matter in them who first laboured in the worke of Reformation and to that end peruse the stories of Lasitius and Regenuolscius about the Churches of Bohemia Poland and those parts of the world especially the latter from pag. 29. 30. and forward And as to the distinction used by some between the Papacy and the Church of Rome which our Author makes use of to another purpose then those did who first invented it extending it only to the consideration of the possibility of salvation for individuall persons living in that communion before the Reformation I hope he will not be angry if I professe my disability to understand it All men cannot be wise alike if the Papacy comprise the Pope and all Papall Jurisdiction and power with the subjection of men thereunto if it denote all the Idolatries false worship and heresies of that society of men I do know that all those are confirmed by Church Acts of that Church and that in the Church Publick sense of that Church no man was a member of it but by virtue of the union that consisted in that Papacy it being placed alwaies by them in all their definitions of their Church as also hat there was neither Church Order nor Church Power nor Church Act nor Church confession nor Church Worship amongst them but what consisted in that Papacy Now because nothing doth more frequently occurre then the objection of the difficulty in placing the dispensation of baptisme on a sure foot account in case of the rejection of all authoritative influence from Rome into the ministry of the Reformed Churches with the insinuation of a supposition of the nonbaptization of all sutch as derive not a title unto it by that meanes they who do so being supposed to stand upon an unquestionable foundation I shall a little examine the grounds of their security and then compare them with what they have to plead who refuse to acknowledg the deriving any sap or noushriment from that rotten corrupt stock It is I suppose taken for granted that an unbaptized person can never effectually baptize let him receive what other qualifications soever that are to be superadded or necessary thereunto If this be not supposed the whole weight of the objection improved by the worst supposition that can be made falls to the ground I shall also desire in the next place that as we cannot make the Popish baptisme better then it is so that we would not plead it to be better or any other then they professe it to be nor pretend that though
Churches and to charge them with Schisme though we doe neither then they have to charge us therewith and to deny our Churches can any thing be more fondly Pretended than that he hath proved that we have separated from them upon which pag. 105 he requires the performance of my promise to retreat from the state wherein I stand upon the establishment of such proofe Hath he proved the due administration of Ordinances amongst them whom he pleads for Hath he proved any Church Union betweene them as such and us hath hath he proved as to have broken that Union what will not selfe-fulnesse and prejudice put men upon How came they into the sole possession of all Church state in England so that who ever is not of them and with them must be charged to have separated from them Mr Cawdrey sayes indeed that the Episcopall men and they agree in substantialls and differ only in circumstantials but that they and we differ in substantials but let him know they admit not of his compliances they say he is a Schismatick and that all his party are so also let him answer their Charge solidly upon his owne principles and not thinke to owne that which he hath the weakest claime imaginable unto and was never yet in possession of We deny that since the Gospell came into England the Presbyterian Government as by them stated was ever set up in England but in the wils of a party of men so that here as yet unlesse as it lyes in particular Congregations where our right is as good as theirs none have separated from it that I know of though many cannot consent unto it The first Ages we plead ours the following were unquestionably Episcopall In the beginning of Chapter the 6 he attempts to disprove my assertion that the Union of the Church Catholick visible which consists in the professing of the saving doctrine of the Gospell c is broken only by Apostacy to this end he confounds Apostacy and Schisme affirming them only to differ in degrees which is a new notion unknowen to Antiquity and contrary to all sound Reason by the instances he produceth to this purpose he endeavours to prove that there are things which break this union whereby this union is not broken whilst a man continues a member of that church which he is by virtue of the union thereof and his interest therein by no act doth he or can he break that union The partiall breach of that union which consists in the profession of the truth is error and heresy and not Schisme Our Author abounds here in new notions which might easily be discovered to be as fond as new were it worth while to consider them of which in briefe before Only I wonder why giving way to such thoughts as these he should speak of men with contempt under the name of Notionists as he doth of Dr Du Moulin but the truth is the Doctor hath provoked him and were it not for some considerations that are obvious to me I should almost wounder why this Author should sharpen his leasure and zeale against me who scarse ever publickly touched the grounds and foundations of that Cause which he hath so passionately espoused and pase by him who both in Latine and English hath laid his Axe to the very Root of it upon principles sufficiently destructive to it and so apprehended by the best learned in our Authors way that ever these nations brought forth but as I said Reasons lye at hand why it was more necessary to give me this opposition which yet hath not altered my Resolution of handling this controversy in another manner when I meet with another manner of Adversary Pag. 110. He fixes on the examination of a particular passage about the disciples of John mentioned Acts 19. 2. of whom I affirmed that it is probable they were rather ignorant of the miraculous dispensations of the Holy Ghost then of the person of the Holy Ghost alledging to the contrary that the words are more plaine and full then to be so cluded and that for ought appeares John did not baptize into the name of the Holy Ghost I hope the Author doth not so much dwell at home as to suppose this to be a new notion of mine who almost of late in their criticall notes have not either at least considered it or confirmed it neither is the question into whose name they were expressely baptized but in what doctrine they were instructed He knowes who denies that they were at all actually baptized before they were baptized by Paul Nor ought it to be granted without better proofe then any as yet hath been produced that any of the Saints under the old Testament were ignorant of the being of the Holy Ghost neither do the words require the sense by him insisted on {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} do no more evince the person of the Holy Ghost to be included in them then in those other Joh. 7. 39. {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} the latter in the proper sense He will not contend for nor can therefore the expression being uniforme reasonably for the latter Speaking of men openly and notoriously wicked and denying them to be members of any Church whatever he bids me answer his arguments to the contrary from the 1 Cor. 5. 7. 2 Thes. 13. 17. and I cannot but desire him that he would impose that task on them that have nothing else to do for my owne part I shall not intangle my selfe with things to so little purpose Having promised my Reader to attend only to that which looks toward the merit of the cause I must crave his pardon that I have not been able to make good my resolution meeting with so little or nothing at all which is to that purpose I find my selfe entangled in the old diversions that we are now plentifully accustomed unto but yet I shall endeavour to recompence this losse by putting a speedy period to this whole trouble despairing of being able to tender him any other satisfaction whilst I dwell on this discourse In the meane time to obviate all strife of words if it be possible for the future I shall grant this Reverend Author that in the generall large notion of Schisme which his opposition to that insisted on by me hath put him upon I will not deny but that He and I are both Schismaticks and any thing else shall be so that he would have to be so rather then to be engaged in this contest any farther In this sense he affirmes that there was a Schisme between Paul and Barnabas and so one of them at least was a Schismatick as also he affirmes the same of 2 lesser men though great in their generation Chrysostome and Epiphanius so error and heresy if he please shall be Schisme from the Catholick Church and scandall of life shall be Schisme And his argument shall be true that schisme is a breach of union in a Church of Christs
institution therefore in that which is so only by call not to any end of joynt worship as such of any union that which consists in the profession of the saving truths of the Gospell and so there may be a schisme in the Catholick Church and so those Presbyterians that reforme their Congregations and do not administer the sacraments to all promiscuously shall be guilty of Schime and indeed as to me what else he pleaseth for my inquiry concernes only the precise limited nature of Schisme in its evangelically ecclesiasticall sense Neither shall I at present alloting very few houres to the dispatch of this businesse which yet I judge more then it deserves consider the scattered ensuing passages about Ordination Church Government number of Elders and the like which all men know not at all to belong unto the maine controversy which was by me undertaken and that they were against all lawes of disputation plucked violently into this contest by our Reverend Author One thing I cannot passe by and it will upon the matter put a close to what I shall at present offer to this Treatise having said that Christ hath given no direction for the performance of any duty of worship of soveraigne institution but only in them and by them meaning particular Churches he answers that if I would imply that a Minister in or of a Particular Church may performe those ordinances without those congregations he contradicts himselfe for saying a particular Church is the seate of all ordinances but why so I pray may not a particular Church be the seat of all ordinances subjectively and yet others be the object of them or of some of them but saith he if he meane those ordinances of worship are to be performed only by a minister of a particular congregation what shall become of the people I suppose they shall be instructed and built up according to the mind of Christ and what would people desire more But whereas he had before said that I denyed a Minister to be a Minister to more then his own Church and I had asked him who told him so adding that explication of my judgment that for so much as men are appointed the objects of the dispensation of the word I grant a Minister in the dispensation of it to act ministerially towards not only the members of the Catholick Church but the visible members of the world also in contradistinction thereunto he now tells me a story of passages between the learned Dr Wallis and my selfe about his question in the Vespers 1654. namely that as to that question An potestas ministri Evangelici ad unius tantum ecclesiae particularis membra extendatur I said that Dr Wallis had brought me a challenge and that If I did dispute on that question I must dispute ex animo although I grant that a Minister as a Minister may preach the word to more then those of his owne congregation yet knowing the sense wherein the learned Dr VVallis maintained that question it is not impossible but I might say if I did dispute I must do it ex animo for his bringing me a challenge I do not know that either he did so or that I put that interpretation on what he did but I shall crave leave to say that if the learned Dr VVallis do find any ground or occasion to bring a challenge unto me to debate any point of difference between us I shall not wave answering his desire although he should bring Mr Cawdry for his second for the present I shall only say that as it is no commendation to the moderation or ingenuity of any one whatever thus to publish to the world private hearesaies and what he hath been told of private conferences so if I would insist on the same course to make publication of what I have been told hath been the private discourse of some men it is not unlikely that I should occasion their shame and trouble yet in this course of proceeding a progres is made in the ensuing words and Mr Stubbes who is now called my Amanuensis who some five yeares ago transcribed about a sheete of paper for me and not one line before or since is said to be employed or at least encouraged by me to write against the learned Dr Wallis his Thesis being published this is as true as much of that that went before and as somewhat of that that followes after and whereas it is added that I said what he had written on that subject was a scurrilous rididulous piece it is of the same nature with the rest of the like reports I knew that Mr Stubbes was writing on that subject but not untill he had proceeded farre in it I neither imployed him nor encouraged him in it any otherwise then the consideration of his papers after he had written them may be so interpreted and the reason why I was not willing he should proceed next to my desire of continuance of peace in this place was his using such expressions of me and somethings of mine in sundry places of his discourse as I could not modestly allow to be divulged the following words to the same purpose with them before mentioned I remember not nor did ever think to be engaged in the consideration of such transgressions of the common rules of humane society as those now passed through Reports heresayes talkes private discourse between friends allegations countenanced by none of these nor any thing else are the weapons wherewith I am assaulted I have heard I am told if reports be true t was vox populi at Oxford is it not so I presume he will not deny it are the ornaments of this discourse strange that men of experience and gravity should be carried by the power of these temptations not only to the forgetfulnesse of the royall law of Christ and all Gospell rule of deportment towards his professed Disciples but also be ingaged into wayes and practises contrary to the dictates of the law of nature and such as sundry heathens would have abhorred For my owne part had not God by his providence placed me in that station wherein others also that feare him are concern'd in me I should not once turne aside to looke upon such heapes as that which I have now passed over my judgment in most heads and articles of Christian Religion is long since published to the world and I continue through the grace and patience of God preaching in publick answerably to the principles I doe professe and if any man shall oppose what I have delivered or shall so deliver in print or in the pulpit or in divinity lectures as my judgment I shall consider his opposition and doe therein as God shall guide with evill surmises charges upon hearesayes and reports attended with perpetuall excursions from the Argument in hand I shall no more contend Some few observations on scattered passages will now speedily issue this discourse Pag. 112. To that Assertion of mine that if Rome be no
particular Church it is no Church at all for the Catholicke Church it is not he replyes that though it be not such a particular Congregation as I intend yet it may be a particular Patriarchall Church but 1 then it seemes it is a particular Church which grants my inference 2. It was a particular Church of Christ's institution that I inquired after doth our Authour think that Christ hath appointed any Patriarchall Church a Patriarchall Church as such is such from it's Relation to a Patriarch and he can scarce be thought to judge Patriarches to be of Divine institution who hath cast off and abjured Episcopacy The Donatists are mentioned againe p. 113. And I am againe Charged with an attempt to vindicate them from schisme my thoughts of them I have before declared to the full have no reason to retract any thing from what was then spoken or to adde any thing thereunto if it may satisfie our Authour I here grant they were Schismatickes with what aggravations he pleaseth wherein their schisme consisted I have also declared but he sayes I undertake to exempt some others from schisme I know whom that suffer with them in former and after ages under the same imputation I doe so indeed and I suppose our Authour may ghesse at whom I intend himselfe amongst others I hope he is not so taken up in his thoughts with charging schisme on others as to forget that many the greatest part and number of the true Churchs of Christ doe condemne him for a Schismatick a Donatisticall Schismatick I suppose he acknowledges the Church of Rome to be a true Church the Lutheran I am perswaded he will not deny nor perhaps the Grecian to be so The Episcopall Church of England he contends for and yet all these with one voice cry out upon him for a Schismaticke and as to the plea of the last how he can satisfie his conscience as to the rejection of his lawfull superiors upon his owne principles without pretending any such crime against them as the Donatists did against Caecilianus I professe I do not understand new mention is made of Episcopall ordination p. 120 And they are said to have had their successive ordination from Rome who ordained therein so indeed some say and some otherwise whether they had or no is nothing to me I lay no weight upon it they held I am sure that place in England that without their approbation no man could publickly preach the Gospell to say they were Presbyters and ordained as Presbyters I know not what satisfaction can arise unto Conscience thereby Party and argument may be countenanced by it they professe they ordained as Bishops that for their lives and soules they durst not ordaine but as such so they told those whom they ordained and affirme they have open injury done them by any ones deniall of it As it was the best is to be made of it this shift is not handsome nor is it ingenious for any one that hath looked into Antiquity to charge me with departing from their sense in the notion of schisme declared about the 3d 4th Ages at the same time to maintaine an equality between Bishops and Presbyters or to say that Bishops ordained as Presbyters not as Bishops nor doe I understand the excellency of that order which we see in some Churches where they have two sorts of Elders the one made so by ordination without Election and the other by Election without ordination those who are ordained casting off all power and Authority of them that ordained them and those who are elected immediately rejecting the greatest part of those that chose them Nor did I as is pretend plead for their Presbyterian way in the yeare 46 all the ministers almost in the county of Essex know the contrary one especially who being a man of great ability and moderation of spirit and for his knowledge in those things not behind any man I know in England of his way with whome in that yeare and the next following I had sundry conferences at publicke meetings of ministers as to the severall wayes of Reformation then under proposall But the frivolousnesse of these imputations hath been spoken of before as also the falsnesse of the Calumny which our Authour is pleased to repeat againe about my turning from wayes in Religion My description of a particular Church he once more blames as applicable to the Catholicke Church invisible and to the visible Catholick Church I suppose he meanes as such when a participation in the same ordinances numerically is assigned as its difference He askes whether it becomes my ingenuity to interpret the capability of a Churches reduction to it's primitive constitution by its owne fitnesse and capacity to be so reduced rather then by its externall hinderances or furtherances But with what ingenuity or modesty that question is asked I professe I understand not and pag. 134 he hath this passage only I take notice of his introduction to his answer with thankes for the civility of the inquiry in the manner of its expresion my words were these whether our Reverend Authour doe not in his conscience thinke there was no true Church in England 'till c which puts me into suspition that the Reverend Doctour was offended that I did not alwaies for oft I doe give him that title of the Reverend Authour or the Doctor which made him cry out he was never so dealt withall by any party as by me though upon review I doe not find that I gave him any uncivill language unbeseeming me to give or him to receive and I heare that somebody hath dealt more uncivilly with him in that respect which he took very ill Let this Reverend Authour make what use of it he please I cannot but againe tell him that these things become neither him nor any man professing the Religion of Jesus Christ or that hath any respect to truth or sobriety can any man thinke that in his conscience he gives any credit to the insinuation which here he makes that I should thanke him for calling me Reverend Authour or Reverend Doctor or be troubled for his not useing those expressions Can the mind of an honest man be thought to be conversant with such meane and low thoughts for the Title of Reverend I doe give him notice that I have very little valued it ever since I have considered the saying of Luther Nunquam periclitatur Religio nisi inter Reverendissimos So that he may as to me forbeare it for the future and call me as the Quakers doe and it shall suffice And for that of Doctor it was conferred on me by the University in my absence and against my consent as they have expressed it under their publicke seale nor doth any thing but gratitude and respect unto them make me once own it and freed from that obligation I should never use it more nor did I use it untill some were offended with me blamed me for my