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A92172 A briefe narration of some church courses held in opinion and practise in the churches lately erected in New England. Collected out of sundry of their own printed papers and manuscripts with other good intelligences. Together with some short hints (given by the way) of their correspondence with the like tenents and practises of the separatists churches. And some short animadversions upon some principall passages for the benefit of the vulgar reader. Presented to publike view for the good of the church of God by W. R. Rathband, William, d. 1695. 1644 (1644) Wing R298; Thomason E36_11; ESTC R21802 84,830 61

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the_o like_a he_o say_v to_o she_o i_o will_v be_v thy_o husband_n and_o she_o to_o he_o i_o will_v be_v thy_o wife_n if_o there_o be_v no_o defect_n in_o the_o covenant_n or_o otherwise_o but_o want_v of_o mention_v the_o mutual_a duty_n that_o by_o god_n law_n belong_v to_o marry_a person_n i_o believe_v that_o will_v never_o make_v it_o null_a nor_o will_v that_o their_o covenant_n the_o less_o bind_v they_o to_o such_o mutual_a duty_n because_o the_o particular_n be_v not_o express_v in_o the_o covenant_n at_o the_o marriage-making_a fellowship_n and_o church_n duty_n discourse_v of_o cou._n p._n 4_o 7_o 8_o 26._o ans_fw-fr to_o 9_o pos_fw-la p._n 75._o with_o application_n to_o this_o particular_a church_n 5.12_o church_n as_o this_o covenant_n be_v destructive_a to_o our_o church_n so_o be_v it_o apt_a to_o cause_v schism_n and_o separation_n of_o one_o church_n from_o another_o even_o among_o themselves_o it_o be_v a_o partition_n wall_n as_o one_o call_v it_o build_v up_o to_o hinder_v that_o communion_n that_o ought_v to_o be_v among_o church_n and_o that_o care_v that_o one_o church_n and_o member_n ought_v to_o have_v of_o another_o here_o be_v so_o strict_a a_o tie_n to_o the_o duty_n belong_v to_o our_o own_o church_n and_o the_o member_n thereof_o but_o not_o a_o word_n of_o any_o duty_n to_o be_v perform_v to_o other_o church_n or_o their_o member_n so_o that_o if_o a_o member_n of_o the_o same_o church_n with_o myself_o want_v watch_v counsel_n reproof_n etc._n etc._n my_o covenant_n bind_v i_o to_o perform_v according_o but_o if_o one_o of_o another_o church_n do_v need_n as_o much_o and_o i_o have_v fit_a opportunity_n etc._n etc._n yet_o by_o this_o covenant_n i_o have_v nothing_o to_o do_v with_o he_o he_o be_v without_o to_o i_o 1_o cor._n 5.12_o only_o to_o which_o one_o be_v now_o to_o be_v join_v by_o this_o covenant_n discourse_v of_o cou._n p._n 10_o 15_o 28._o ans_fw-fr to_o 9_o pos_fw-la p._n 75._o 5._o and_o this_o covenant_n be_v make_v 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honestis_fw-la to_o a_o bishop_n do_v thereby_o justify_v episcopacy_n and_o do_v not_o by_o the_o same_o reason_n all_o that_o take_v this_o covenant_n justify_v popularity_n and_o independency_n way_n of_o holy_a worship_n to_o he_o and_o of_o edification_n one_o towards_o another_o as_o god_n himself_o have_v require_v in_o his_o word_n of_o every_o church_n of_o christ_n and_o the_o member_n thereof_o apol._n p._n 5._o discourse_v of_o cou._n p._n 3._o apol._n p._n 5._o 7._o the_o property_n hereof_o 1._o it_o be_v sacred_a not_o civil_a discourse_v of_o cou._n p._n 3_o 4._o 2._o it_o must_v be_v public_a before_o all_o the_o church_n discourse_v of_o cou._n p._n 4_o 17_o r.m._n to_o w.r._n 3_o vocal_a and_o express_a j.w._n ans_fw-fr to_o 10._o quest_n apol._n p._n 45._o 4._o so_o firm_o bind_v as_o that_o it_o can_v be_v loose_v without_o the_o consent_n of_o the_o church_n of_o which_o see_v more_o after_o 8._o after_o all_o this_o rigorous_a exact_v of_o this_o covenant_n 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be_v to_o give_v his_o assent_n r.m._n to_o w.r._n apol._n p._n 5._o 10._o one_o or_o two_o of_o their_o form_n i_o will_v here_o insert_v that_o the_o reader_n may_v the_o better_a by_o example_n take_v up_o their_o sense_n touch_v this_o covenant_n 1._o the_o covenant_n of_o the_o english_a church_n at_o roterdame_n as_o be_v report_v to_o we_o renew_v when_o mr_n h.p._n be_v make_v their_o pastor_n be_v to_o this_o effect_n we_o who_o name_n be_v here-und_a write_v have_v a_o long_a time_n find_v by_o sad_a experience_n how_o uncomfortable_a it_o be_v to_o walk_v in_o a_o disorder_a and_o unsettle_a condition_n etc._n etc._n 1._o can_v 1._o 1._o all_o thing_n in_o these_o two_o form_n in_o a_o fait_fw-fr construction_n be_v very_o good_a but_o
the_o lord_n in_o our_o particular_a calling_n shun_v idleness_n as_o the_o bane_n of_o any_o state_n nor_o will_v we_o deal_v hardly_o or_o oppress_o with_o any_o 9_o we_o will_v also_o to_o our_o best_a ability_n teach_v our_o child_n and_o servant_n the_o knowledge_n of_o the_o lord_n and_o his_o will_n that_o they_o may_v serve_v he_o also_o o._n h._n 11._o this_o covenant_n thus_o distinguish_v from_o the_o covenant_n of_o grace_n they_o hold_v to_o be_v that_o covenant_n which_o be_v sequuntur_fw-la be_v here_o be_v a_o piece_n or_o two_o of_o such_o divinity_n as_o i_o never_o hear_v or_o read_v before_o but_o uno_fw-la absurdo_fw-la dato_fw-la mille_fw-la sequuntur_fw-la seal_v by_o the_o sacrament_n and_o for_o the_o seal_n and_o ratify_v of_o which_o the_o sacrament_n be_v principal_o ordain_v of_o god_n and_o therefore_o to_o be_v administer_v only_o to_o such_o as_o be_v first_o enter_v into_o this_o covenant_n as_o seal_n thereof_o apol._n p._n 15_o 19_o 31._o ans_fw-fr 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ordinance_n and_o good_a education_n and_o government_n what_o shall_v become_v of_o they_o then_o admit_v as_o member_n to_o the_o lord_n supper_n they_o shall_v not_o be_v and_o excommunicate_v i_o trow_v they_o can_v just_o be_v by_o this_o rule_n they_o must_v remain_v in_o a_o middle_a condition_n neither_o of_o the_o church_n nor_o without_o the_o church_n and_o what_o warrant_n have_v we_o for_o this_o public_a and_o private_a examination_n profession_n of_o faith_n declaration_n of_o the_o manner_n of_o their_o conversion_n and_o personal_a vocal_a express_v enter_v into_o the_o same_o covenant_n as_o other_o of_o year_n have_v before_o they_o do_v and_o as_o if_o they_o have_v never_o be_v receive_v member_n before_o ans_fw-fr to_o 32._o q._n p._n 20_o 21._o chap._n v._n of_o the_o manner_n of_o their_o first_o erect_v of_o a_o visible_a church_n 1._o 15._o 1._o the_o reader_n may_v perhaps_o think_v in_o read_v these_o two_o first_o article_n some_o fault_n to_o be_v in_o the_o collectour_n that_o so_o foul_a a_o contradiction_n shall_v be_v hold_v but_o if_o there_o be_v any_o fault_n it_o must_v be_v none_o but_o their_o own_o either_o in_o hold_v and_o practise_v thing_n in_o themselves_o so_o contradictory_n or_o else_o in_o report_v to_o we_o such_o thing_n as_o they_o neither_o hold_v nor_o practice_v but_o this_o contradiction_n will_v yet_o appear_v more_o foul_a when_o we_o consider_v what_o will_v after_o follow_v that_o they_o hold_v it_o not_o only_o lawful_a to_o do_v it_o without_o their_o consent_n but_o also_o sometime_o necessary_a to_o do_v it_o against_o their_o consent_n of_o which_o see_v chap._n 15._o any_o small_a number_n almost_o of_o person_n so_o fit_v as_o before_o they_o hold_v may_v lawful_o unite_v themselves_o into_o a_o church_n body_n by_o enter_v into_o the_o church_n covenant_n aforesaid_a and_o so_o may_v constitute_v themselves_o a_o true_a visible_a church_n of_o christ_n without_o any_o authoritative_a consent_n of_o the_o christian_a magistrate_n suppose_v there_o be_v one_o or_o of_o the_o neighbour_a church_n or_o their_o minister_n r.m._n to_o w.r._n ans_fw-fr to_o 32._o q._n p._n 43._o robin_n justif_n p._n 181_o 182._o 2._o yet_o a_o truth_n a_o the_o law_n doubtless_o be_v good_a as_o from_o the_o magistrate_n but_o how_o do_v this_o agree_v with_o that_o opinion_n which_o too_o many_o of_o they_o among_o we_o that_o run_v the_o same_o church-course_n with_o these_o brethren_n hold_v that_o the_o magistrate_n have_v nothing_o to_o do_v with_o the_o first_o table_n unless_o the_o public_a peace_n be_v break_v he_o be_v to_o force_v no_o man_n against_o his_o conscience_n too_o or_o fro_o but_o leave_v every_o man_n to_o follow_v his_o own_o light_n and_o religion_n also_o as_o it_o be_v a_o agreement_n of_o the_o church_n and_o minister_n i_o the_o rather_o like_o it_o because_o it_o seem_v to_o amount_v to_o little_o less_o in_o substance_n then_o a_o compound_n presbytery_n set_v up_o 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thereunto_o appoint_v r.m._n to_o w.r._n ‑_o h.w._n to_o mr_n b._n ‑_o j.w._n to_o t.s._n 5._o the_o number_n wherewith_o they_o usual_o begin_v at_o the_o first_o constitution_n of_o every_o church_n be_v about_o 7.8_o or_o 9_o ibid._n 6._o notice_n be_v give_v the_o magistrate_n and_o church_n send_v their_o admission_n their_o here_o than_o church_n use_v messenger_n or_o deputy_n to_o represent_v themselves_o and_o to_o act_v in_o their_o room_n why_o not_o in_o a_o synod_n as_o well_o and_o if_o they_o may_v trust_v their_o power_n with_o their_o messenger_n for_o approve_v or_o disapprove_v whole_a church_n much_o more_o of_o particular_a member_n at_o their_o admission_n messenger_n or_o deputy_n to_o see_v how_o thing_n be_v carry_v and_o to_o give_v they_o advice_n direction_n approbation_n or_o disapprobation_n as_o they_o shall_v see_v cause_n ibid._n 7._o the_o day_n appoint_v be_v keep_v with_o fast_v and_o prayer_n and_o sometime_o if_o not_o always_o preach_v of_o the_o word_n which_o be_v perform_v by_o some_o of_o the_o person_n that_o now_o come_v to_o be_v combine_v into_o this_o church-societie_n in_o the_o latter_a end_n of_o the_o day_n each_o of_o those_o person_n now_o to_o be_v church_v if_o i_o may_v so_o say_v make_v public_a profession_n of_o his_o faith_n thereby_o show_v his_o knowledge_n and_o opinion_n in_o the_o ground_n and_o principle_n of_o religion_n and_o declare_v from_o point_n to_o point_v the_o work_n of_o god_n upon_o his_o soul_n in_o his_o conversion_n and_o all_o this_o in_o a_o extemporarie_a at_o least_o conceive_v speech_n i._n e._n not_o in_o any_o set_a form_n ibid._n 8._o which_o when_o the_o messenger_n of_o the_o magistrate_n and_o church_n have_v hear_v and_o consider_v if_o they_o be_v unsatisfied_a or_o any_o slander_n by_o they_o make_v their_o objection_n or_o propound_v further_a question_n as_o they_o think_v
fit_a until_o they_o be_v charity_n be_v it_o be_v a_o hard_a task_n to_o satisfy_v all_o comer_n touch_v these_o thing_n question_v and_o object_v what_o they_o please_v and_o hard_a for_o a_o man_n to_o be_v stay_v perhaps_o for_o some_o difference_n about_o church_n discipline_n or_o suppose_v some_o objection_n be_v make_v against_o his_o life_n it_o must_v here_o be_v present_o and_o open_o declare_v and_o scan_v before_o all_o the_o country_n this_o be_v little_a wisdom_n less_o charity_n satisfy_v if_o it_o may_v be_v ibid._n 9_o if_o in_o the_o end_n the_o say_a messenger_n be_v not_o satisfy_v than_o they_o or_o so_o many_o of_o they_o as_o concern_v who_o they_o be_v not_o satisfy_v either_o in_o point_n of_o knowledge_n or_o grace_n be_v forbid_v to_o enter_v into_o church_n estate_n and_o so_o remain_v still_o as_o before_z out_o of_o the_o pale_a of_o the_o church_n ibid._n 10._o if_o at_o length_n they_o be_v full_o satisfy_v and_o all_o doubt_n clear_v than_o the_o say_a person_n proceed_v to_o enter_v into_o church-covenant_n which_o be_v write_v one_o of_o they_o read_v and_o all_o of_o they_o subscribe_v it_o and_o so_o they_o be_v become_v a_o true_a hatch_v true_a if_o so_o much_o time_n and_o so_o many_o encumstance_n be_v needful_a to_o join_v 7._o or_o 8._o together_o into_o one_o church_n how_o much_o time_n will_v be_v requisite_a to_o join_v 3000._o together_o but_o our_o brethren_n will_v acknowledge_v the_o apostle_n go_v a_o short_a way_n to_o work_v discourse_v of_o cou._n p._n 29_o 30._o the_o reason_n whereof_o they_o render_v because_o the_o church_n be_v not_o then_o subject_a to_o so_o many_o hypocrite_n which_o be_v more_o than_o any_o man_n know_v when_o christ_n say_v many_o be_v call_v few_o choose_v many_o seek_v but_o few_o sinde_n beside_o this_o course_n be_v use_v by_o our_o brethren_n not_o to_o ordinary_a christian_n only_o but_o to_o the_o most_o godly_a and_o best_a approve_v i_o believe_v therefore_o it_o be_v rather_o because_o the_o holy_a ghost_n have_v give_v they_o no_o such_o direction_n nor_o be_v this_o manner_n of_o church_n constitution_n then_o hatch_v constitute_v visible_a church_n as_o they_o say_v ibid._n 11._o which_o be_v do_v the_o say_a messenger_n of_o the_o other_o church_n give_v they_o the_o right_a hand_n of_o fellowship_n and_o own_v they_o for_o a_o sister_n church_n and_o so_o return_v back_o do_v make_v report_n to_o the_o church_n that_o send_v they_o of_o all_o thing_n do_v and_o declare_v to_o they_o that_o they_o be_v to_o account_v of_o they_o as_o of_o a_o true_a church_n of_o christ_n ibid._n chap._n vi_o of_o church-power_n or_o the_o power_n of_o the_o key_n the_o first_o subject_n in_o who_o it_o reside_v and_o the_o exercise_n of_o it_o in_o general_n 1._o they_o hold_v that_o every_o such_o company_n as_o aforesaid_a though_o never_o so_o small_a consist_v of_o private_a person_n only_a i.e._n such_o as_o be_v in_o no_o church-office_n and_o perhaps_o all_o illiterate_a too_o yet_o be_v right_o and_o immediate_o entitle_v to_o all_o the_o privilege_n of_o the_o visible_a church_n of_o christ_n and_o invest_v with_o all_o ecclesiastical_a they_o ecclesiastical_a who_o will_v not_o long_o to_o be_v soon_o church_v in_o this_o way_n see_v thereby_o immediate_o they_o may_v be_v endue_v with_o so_o vast_a a_o power_n this_o be_v a_o sweet_a morsel_n no_o marvel_n if_o people_n tooth_n water_n for_o it_o but_o where_o or_o when_o do_v god_n so_o grant_v all_o this_o power_n over_o to_o the_o people_n that_o yet_o he_o except_v the_o sacrament_n and_o they_o only_o out_o of_o the_o charter_n sure_o either_o he_o give_v they_o all_o or_o none_o the_o necessity_n of_o which_o consequence_n some_o brownist_n perceive_v therefore_o of_o late_a here_o in_o london_n have_v claim_v and_o contend_v for_o they_o also_o the_o word_n and_o sacrament_n in_o our_o saviour_n commission_n be_v knit_v together_o go_v preach_v and_o baptise_v and_o both_o settle_v upon_o the_o ministry_n but_o our_o brethren_n have_v here_o divide_v they_o and_o make_v preach_v common_a to_o the_o people_n and_o though_o our_o brethren_n intend_v not_o so_o yet_o in_o event_n possible_o this_o may_v nourish_v in_o the_o vulgar_a some_o fragment_n of_o popery_n as_o if_o the_o sacrament_n be_v more_o excellent_a than_o the_o preach_n of_o the_o word_n they_o be_v reserve_v as_o peculiar_a to_o the_o minister_n this_o common_a to_o other_o with_o they_o power_n from_o christ_n as_o the_o first_o and_o proper_a receptacle_n thereof_o have_v the_o key_n of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n commit_v to_o they_o and_o may_v now_o forthwith_o administer_v and_o partake_v of_o all_o church-ordinance_n except_o only_a sacrament_n execute_v all_o church-censure_n and_o transact_v all_o their_o own_o business_n within_o themselves_o ans_fw-fr to_o 32._o q._n p._n 10._o 41_o 44_o 48_o 49_o 50._o cott._n cat_n p._n 10._o r._n m._n to_o w._n r._n r._n m._n to_o e._n b._n p._n 4._o ‑_o j._n w._n ans_fw-fr to_o 10._o quest_n see_v rob._n justif_a p._n 106_o 107_o 112_o 121_o 122_o 125_o 126_o 127_o 138_o 190_o 113_o 167_o 184_o 198_o 331._o zion_n royal_a prerog_n preface_n barr._n discov_n p._n 39_o 2._o the_o particular_a sort_n of_o which_o church_n business_n be_v these_o 1._o admission_n of_o more_o member_n into_o their_o society_n 2._o authoritative_a admonition_n of_o member_n offend_v 3._o bind_v and_o excommunicate_v of_o such_o as_o have_v offend_v prove_v incorrigible_a 4._o loose_v and_o authoritative_a forgive_a such_o as_o upon_o admonition_n and_o excommunication_n do_v repent_v re-accepting_a they_o into_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o church_n again_o 5._o r._n 5._o how_o weak_a good_a people_n be_v and_o insufficient_a without_o their_o guide_n assistance_n to_o examine_v minister_n ability_n to_o judge_v of_o doctrine_n and_o other_o matter_n touch_v person_n and_o thing_n needful_a to_o the_o exercise_n of_o church-government_n he_o that_o please_v may_v see_v in_o our_o brethren_n late_a apologetical_a narration_n p._n 24_o 28._o beside_o the_o experience_n of_o the_o bostoner_n in_o n._n e._n who_o general_o will_v have_v choose_v mr_n wheelright_a the_o notorious_a familist_n to_o have_v be_v co-teacher_n with_o mr_n c._n there_o have_v not_o some_o few_o withstand_v it_o as_o i._o p._n tell_v w._n r._n make_v i.e._n examine_v elect_a and_o with_o imposition_n of_o hand_n ordain_v their_o pastor_n and_o all_o other_o their_o officer_n 6._o unmaking_a i.e._n degrade_n and_o depose_v they_o again_o when_o they_o see_v cause_n so_o to_o do_v 7._o preach_v i.e._n expound_v and_o apply_v the_o word_n with_o all_o authority_n to_o the_o several_a use_n of_o their_o member_n 8._o and_o general_o whatsoever_o else_o may_v concern_v the_o edification_n and_o spiritual_a good_a of_o that_o society_n save_o only_a the_o administration_n of_o the_o seal_n and_o all_o this_o before_o they_o have_v any_o officer_n or_o if_o they_o have_v any_o yet_o without_o reference_n to_o they_o as_o officer_n at_o all_o 9_o and_o when_o they_o have_v minister_n than_o they_o have_v sacrament_n too_o ans_fw-fr to_o 32._o q._n p._n 10_o 15_o 41_o 42_o 44_o 45_o 48_o 49_o 50_o 68_o cott._n cat_n p._n 10_o 11_o 12._o dis-course_n of_o cou._n p._n 23._o ans_fw-fr to_o 9_o pos_fw-la p._n 62_o 70_o 76_o 77._o j._n w._n ans_fw-fr to_o 10._o quest_n r._n m._n to_o e._n b._n p._n 4._o ‑_o r._n m._n to_o w._n r._n apol._n p._n 24._o rob._n justif_a p._n 9_o 111._o 3._o all_o which_o thing_n they_o claim_v to_o themselves_o power_n to_o do_v without_o any_o church_n any_o when_o officer_n be_v not_o yet_o settle_v in_o any_o church_n or_o be_v once_o settle_v do_v fail_v through_o casualty_n it_o be_v agree_v upon_o on_o all_o hand_n that_o some_o extraordinary_a course_n be_v to_o be_v take_v let_v it_o therefore_o be_v consider_v whether_o it_o be_v not_o more_o proper_a and_o near_o to_o the_o ordinary_a rule_n to_o call_v in_o the_o assistance_n of_o the_o officer_n of_o some_o neighbour_a church_n by_o virtue_n of_o that_o communion_n of_o church_n which_o themselves_o acknowledge_v to_o supply_v the_o wan_a of_o their_o own_o officer_n in_o examination_n ordination_n and_o deposition_n of_o minister_n etc._n etc._n rather_o than_o to_o use_v mere_a private_a person_n i.e._n non-officer_n of_o the_o same_o church_n authoritative_a concurrence_n or_o assistance_n of_o any_o other_o church_n or_o their_o officer_n which_o they_o hold_v unlawful_a in_o other_o to_o offer_v and_o in_o themselves_o to_o accept_v or_o admit_v ans_fw-fr to_o 32._o q._n p._n 41._o r._n m._n to_o e._n b._n p._n 10._o rob._n justif_a p._n 335_o 339._o 4._o therefore_o they_o ordinary_o convene_v together_o before_o they_o have_v any_o officer_n and_o hold_v public_a ecclesiastical_a meeting_n and_o
execute_v all_o ecclesiastical_a duty_n and_o office_n infant_n office_n hereby_o it_o come_v to_o pass_v that_o because_o ofttimes_o their_o church_n be_v long_o without_o minister_n that_o they_o be_v also_o long_o without_o sacrament_n both_o the_o lord_n supper_n for_o the_o elder_a people_n and_o baptism_n for_o their_o infant_n sacrament_n only_o except_v by_o mere_a lay_v man_n that_o neither_o be_v nor_o perhaps_o ever_o shall_v be_v officer_n in_o the_o church_n 5._o this_o church_n be_v thus_o invest_v with_o all_o church-power_n derive_v part_n thereof_o upon_o her_o officer_n viz._n so_o much_o as_o she_o can_v convenient_o execute_v herself_o and_o the_o rest_n she_o keep_v still_o in_o she_o own_o hand_n and_o execute_v according_o ans_fw-fr to_o 32._o q._n p._n 57_o r._n m._n to_o w._n r._n ‑_o r._n m._n to_o e._n b._n p._n 4._o barr._n disc_n p._n 223._o 6._o the_o officer_n have_v no_o power_n in_o church_n matter_n but_o what_o the_o church_n derive_v on_o they_o and_o which_o she_o may_v revoke_v and_o resume_v unto_o herself_o if_o she_o conceive_v they_o do_v not_o use_v it_o well_o ibid._n and_o therefore_o she_o may_v call_v they_o to_o account_v for_o their_o action_n though_o they_o be_v even_o apostle_n themselves_o j._n cott._n on_o 5._o vial_n p._n 10._o 7._o the_o officer_n be_v all_o but_o the_o church_n they_o church_n where_o say_v the_o scripture_n that_o the_o church_n shall_v rule_v her_o officer_n and_o the_o officer_n obey_v the_o church_n we_o find_v that_o officer_n be_v call_v ruler_n and_o people_n be_v command_v to_o obey_v they_o in_o the_o lord_n frequent_o 1_o tim._n 5.19_o heb._n 13.17_o but_o the_o other_o we_o never_o find_v we_o find_v indeed_o the_o apostle_n call_v themselves_o the_o servant_n of_o the_o church_n as_o christ_n also_o make_v himself_o servant_n unto_o all_o but_o that_o be_v not_o to_o be_v understand_v proper_o but_o metaphorical_o and_o by_o way_n of_o some_o similitude_n unto_o servant_n who_o it_o good_a do_v seek_v their_o master_n good_a and_o be_v for_o their_o profit_n not_o their_o own_o so_o do_v christ_n and_o all_o the_o apostle_n seek_v the_o church_n good_a not_o their_o own_o and_o so_o all_o christian_n be_v command_v to_o serve_v each_o other_o in_o love_n but_o we_o may_v not_o thence_o conclude_v that_o therefore_o every_o christian_a be_v in_o peoprietie_n to_o be_v another_o servant_n for_o than_o who_o shall_v be_v master_n much_o less_o that_o the_o apostle_n be_v proper_o the_o servant_n of_o the_o church_n who_o give_v rule_n to_o the_o church_n what_o to_o do_v and_o how_o to_o walk_v but_o receive_v none_o from_o the_o church_n lest_o of_o all_o that_o christ_n be_v so_o who_o both_o be_v and_o be_v the_o head_n of_o that_o body_n and_o king_n of_o that_o kingdom_n we_o read_v also_o that_o minister_n be_v to_o do_v the_o act_n of_o their_o ministry_n in_o the_o name_n of_o christ_n and_o by_o his_o power_n 1_o cor._n 5.4_o matth._n 28.19_o mat._n 7.22_o but_o that_o they_o act_n in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o church_n or_o by_o the_o power_n of_o the_o church_n such_o phrase_n we_o do_v not_o read_v they_o and_o therefore_o we_o do_v not_o believe_v they_o servant_n in_o propriety_n of_o speech_n and_o she_o be_v the_o mistress_n the_o queen_n in_o all_o thing_n she_o have_v the_o power_n of_o decree_a and_o they_o with_o she_o as_o other_o the_o mean_a member_n of_o the_o society_n but_o as_o minister_n so_o they_o be_v only_o as_o her_o mouth_n to_o speak_v and_o her_o hand_n to_o act_v what_o she_o decree_v do_v all_o thing_n for_o she_o by_o her_o power_n and_o in_o her_o name_n ibid._n mr_n n._n to_o w._n r._n ‑_o r._n m._n to_o w._n r._n rob._n apol._n p._n 49._o rob._n justif_a p._n 121_o 122_o 138_o 166_o 178_o 180_o 185_o 303_o 322._o 8._o the_o except_v the_o and_o this_o be_v well_o too_o if_o this_o service_n of_o the_o church_n be_v reserve_v only_o and_o entire_o to_o the_o officer_n but_o alas_o this_o be_v but_o 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