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〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d we_o establish_v the_o law_n and_o the_o septuagint_n who_o luke_n be_v observe_v to_o follow_v most_o use_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d for_o as_o much_o as_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 1_o chron._n 9_o 22._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d these_o do_v david_n and_o solomon_n appoint_v in_o their_o set_a office_n ans_fw-fr this_o great_a show_n of_o something_o come_v to_o nothing_o for_o grant_v that_o the_o simple_a and_o compound_a word_n have_v sometime_o for_o always_o they_o have_v not_o the_o same_o signification_n yet_o it_o will_v not_o follow_v that_o they_o have_v the_o same_o sense_n in_o the_o text_n allege_v as_o appear_v by_o that_o which_o have_v be_v say_v already_o the_o action_n of_o the_o hundred_o and_o twenty_o in_o appoint_v two_o out_o of_o which_o god_n be_v to_o choose_v one_o be_v not_o of_o the_o same_o nature_n with_o god_n appoint_v one_o because_o neither_o of_o the_o two_o be_v make_v apostle_n by_o the_o former_a act_n but_o one_o 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he_o repute_v it_o but_o a_o ceremony_n yet_o elsewhere_o 7._o elsewhere_o declaration_n pag._n 39_o the_o divinâ—_n beginning_n and_o institution_n of_o christ_n true_a visible_a or_o ministerial_a church_n argum._n 7._o he_o make_v it_o to_o be_v of_o the_o foundation_n necessary_a to_o salvation_n ordinary_o and_o unchangeable_a by_o man_n whether_o these_o latter_a witness_n be_v to_o be_v reckon_v among_o protestant_a divine_n especial_o in_o your_o account_n i_o shall_v leave_v it_o to_o you_o to_o judge_v but_o let_v this_o suffice_v at_o present_a to_o the_o question_n of_o ordination_n concern_v imposition_n of_o hand_n this_o be_v your_o position_n pag._n 13._o imposition_n or_o lay_v on_o of_o hand_n be_v neither_o essential_a to_o a_o minister_n call_v nor_o to_o his_o ordination_n ans_fw-fr before_o i_o speak_v to_o the_o particular_n wherein_o you_o pretend_v to_o the_o proof_n of_o this_o it_o seem_v necessary_a to_o preface_n a_o little_a concern_v the_o subject_a in_o 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call_v to_o this_o purpose_n some_o speak_v large_o enough_o armin._n enough_o quibus_fw-la ritibus_fw-la doctores_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la sint_fw-la vocanâ—i_fw-la quâ_fw-la ratione_fw-la publicum_fw-la hoc_fw-la docendi_fw-la munâ—â—_n eâ—â—_n sit_fw-la delegandum_fw-la ac_fw-la imponendum_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la express_v traditum_fw-la sed_fw-la liberâ—ari_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la relictum_fw-la magdeburgenses_n cent_n 1._o lib._n 1._o cap._n 4_o pag._n 118._o lin_v 33._o modus_fw-la electâ—niâ—_n nullus_fw-la certus_fw-la est_fw-la prascriptus_fw-la iâ—_n sacris_fw-la literis_fw-la aretius_n probl_n parte_fw-la 3._o de_fw-la minist_n vocatiâ—â—ata_fw-la habenda_fw-la dum_fw-la vocatio_fw-la dei_fw-la manet_fw-la conjuncta_fw-la foris_fw-la aliquâ_fw-la testificatione_n ipstuâ—_n quae_fw-la quiâ—varia_fw-la est_fw-la desinire_fw-la non_fw-la possumus_fw-la armin._n and_o more_o than_o i_o dare_v assent_n unto_o without_o due_a caution_n yet_o this_o must_v be_v remember_v that_o god_n 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baptism_n and_o in_o ordination_n as_o this_o make_v nothing_o to_o prove_v it_o to_o be_v essential_a unto_o either_o so_o it_o make_v nothing_o against_o it_o but_o in_o that_o such_o a_o blessing_n do_v then_o accompany_v it_o we_o may_v be_v assure_v that_o the_o use_n of_o it_o be_v of_o god_n and_o not_o from_o man_n 2._o there_o be_v no_o mention_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n in_o 2_o tim._n 1._o 6._o but_o of_o the_o gift_n of_o god_n which_o be_v in_o he_o or_o which_o he_o have_v by_o the_o lay_n on_o of_o paul_n hand_n that_o may_v be_v mean_v of_o the_o power_n and_o authority_n confer_v on_o he_o or_o of_o the_o office_n itself_o for_o office_n be_v call_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d gift_n eph._n 4._o 8._o and_o power_n and_o authority_n be_v by_o many_o thought_n to_o be_v call_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d grace_n rom._n 12._o 3._o if_o lay_v on_o of_o hand_n be_v the_o instrumental_a rite_n of_o convey_v the_o gift_n or_o grace_n in_o this_o sense_n it_o be_v the_o 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20._o second_o in_o consecrate_v or_o set_v apart_o of_o a_o sacrifice_n unto_o god_n numb_a 8._o 12._o three_o in_o ordain_v or_o appoint_v unto_o a_o office_n as_o when_o joshua_n be_v appoint_v to_o succeed_v moses_n moses_n lay_v his_o hand_n upon_o he_o and_o give_v he_o a_o charge_n num._n 27._o 23._o joshua_n also_o be_v say_v to_o be_v full_a of_o the_o spirit_n of_o wisdom_n for_o moses_n have_v lay_v his_o hand_n on_o he_o deut._n 34._o 9_o he_o be_v full_a of_o the_o spirit_n of_o wisdom_n and_o therefore_o have_v hand_n lay_v on_o he_o as_o appear_v num._n 27._o 18._o take_v thou_o joshua_n the_o son_n of_o nun_n a_o man_n in_o who_o be_v the_o spirit_n and_o lay_v thy_o hand_n upon_o he_o as_o in_o the_o new_a testament_n the_o deacon_n be_v first_o full_a of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n and_o wisdom_n act._n 6._o 3._o and_o therefore_o they_o have_v hand_n lay_v on_o they_o v._o 6._o this_o lay_v on_o of_o hand_n be_v as_o ainsworth_n call_v it_o 18._o ainsworth_n on_o numb_a 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that_o which_o follow_v of_o your_o own_o be_v something_o extraordinary_a its_o likely_a be_v in_o the_o apostle_n lay_v on_o of_o hand_n for_o he_o say_v the_o gift_n be_v give_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d by_o the_o lay_n on_o of_o my_o hand_n as_o it_o be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d by_o prophecy_n which_o be_v peculiar_a to_o extraordinary_a officer_n but_o it_o be_v but_o with_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 1_o tim._n 4._o 14._o they_o it_z seems_z have_v but_o a_o bare_a concurrence_n but_o the_o efficiency_n be_v in_o paul_n as_o our_o brethren_n of_o scotland_n express_v it_o to_o which_o i_o answer_v 1._o all_o this_o be_v but_o its_o likely_a and_o it_o seem_v by_o which_o its_o likely_a to_o prove_v nothing_o and_o it_o seem_v you_o yourself_o see_v as_o much_o aforehand_o 2._o to_o say_v there_o be_v something_o extraordinary_a in_o the_o apostle_n lay_v on_o of_o hand_n be_v ambiguous_a because_o it_o may_v relate_v either_o to_o the_o ground_n or_o manner_n of_o do_v or_o to_o the_o effect_n or_o accidental_a consequent_a thereof_o there_o may_v be_v something_o extraordinary_a but_o that_o can_v be_v no_o prejudice_n to_o the_o ordinary_a use_n of_o this_o rite_n unless_o they_o â—ad_v only_o some_o extraordinary_a ground_n for_o their_o use_n of_o it_o 3._o in_o compare_v 2_o tim._n 1._o 6._o 〈…〉_o 4._o 14._o there_o be_v indeed_o a_o difference_n between_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d &_o 〈…〉_o â—nd_v with_o and_o from_o thence_o the_o papist_n and_o prelate_n woâ—â—â—â—fer_v that_o the_o efficiency_n of_o timothy_n presbyteratus_n be_v iâ—_n paul_n as_o in_o a_o bishop_n and_o in_o the_o presbytery_n by_o a_o bare_a concurrence_n and_o thence_o infer_v the_o necessity_n of_o a_o bishop_n unto_o ordination_n but_o this_o be_v equal_o vain_a as_o in_o they_o to_o one_o end_n so_o in_o you_o to_o another_o for_o that_o in_o 2_o tim._n 1._o 6._o you_o may_v remember_v what_o be_v say_v in_o the_o begin_n of_o this_o answer_n to_o your_o 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what_o miracle_n and_o wonder_n god_n have_v wrought_v among_o the_o gentile_n by_o they_o in_o the_o greek_a it_o be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o this_o latter_a place_n but_o in_o all_o the_o rest_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o yet_o the_o like_a thing_n viz._n what_o god_n do_v by_o they_o as_o by_o instrument_n be_v intend_v in_o they_o all_o the_o reason_n why_o the_o apostle_n use_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o not_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o 1_o tim._n 4._o 14._o may_v be_v because_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d go_v immediate_o before_o in_o the_o same_o verse_n in_o that_o phrase_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d where_o it_o have_v another_o sense_n than_o the_o next_o word_n will_v bear_v if_o it_o have_v be_v use_v there_o also_o how_o fit_v it_o will_v have_v be_v for_o the_o word_n to_o have_v run_v thus_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n by_o prophecy_n by_o lay_v on_o of_o hound_n let_v the_o learned_a judge_n 5._o if_o the_o 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