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A66481 The judgment of the foreign reformed churches concerning the rites and offices of the Church of England shewing there is no necessity of alterations : in a letter to a member of the House of Commons. Willes, John, 1646 or 7-1700. 1690 (1690) Wing W2807; ESTC R8187 45,548 70

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d._n 1588._o june_n 10_o condemn_a ordination_n by_o bishop_n as_o unlawful_a and_o far_o declare_v the_o very_a call_n of_o bishop_n unlawful_a bancroft'_v engl._n scotize_v p._n 86._o t._n c._n in_o his_o admonition_n p._n 127_o desire_v the_o bishop_n to_o be_v lay_v aside_o from_o ordain_v minister_n and_o to_o bring_v in_o the_o true_a election_n by_o the_o congregation_n and_o in_o his_o prayer_n before_o his_o sermon_n at_o banbury_n print_v in_o the_o life_n of_o archbishop_n whitgift_n p._n 47._o o_o lord_n give_v we_o grace_n and_o power_n all_o as_o one_o man_n to_o set_v ourselves_o against_o the_o bishop_n apologetical_a narrative_n it_o be_v a_o sin_n to_o take_v episcopal_a order_n or_o to_o own_o the_o authority_n of_o bishop_n and_o to_o mention_v no_o more_o in_o the_o solemn_a league_n and_o covenant_n the_o presbyterian_o of_o both_o nation_n swear_v to_o the_o extirpation_n of_o prelacy_n i._n e._n the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n by_o bishop_n and_o 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