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A61105 The vvay to everlasting happinesse: or, the substance of christian religion methodically and plainly handled in a familiar discourse dialogue-wise: wherein, the doctrine of the Church of England is vindicated; the ignorant instructed, and the faithfull directed in their travels to heaven. By Benjamin Spencer, preacher of the word of God at Bromley neer Bow in Middlesex. Spencer, Benjamin, b. 1595? 1659 (1659) Wing S4945; ESTC R222156 362,911 329

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and when they had ordained them Elders in every Church and had praied with fasting 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 signifieth a divine institution not holding up of hands in a choice of any Vid. Act. 10 41 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 they commended them to the Lord Or if you will say that Timothies ordination though spoken of twice yet it only shewes that St Paul and the Presbyterie were associate in the work you will hardly find Calvin so to interpret 1 Tim. 4.14 in his Institutions But be it so * Chryl hom 13. in 1 ad Tim. cap. 4. that Presbyterie was a companie of Elders whereas Calvin saith they were Bishops yet you cannot by that prove that preaching Elders were of the same antiquitie with the Apostles except you take the Apostles themselves only for such Elders nor yet that preaching Elders saving the Apostles were of equall authoritie with Bishops Mathe. I pray Sir make that forth to me that Elders or Presbyters were not of equall antiquity and dignity with Bishops Phila. You are to observe that both the Office of Bishop and Elders were both at first included in the Apostles only as 1 Pet. 5.1 the Apostle Peter there cals himselfe a co-Elder while he exhorteth Elders yet that proveth not that Peter was only an Elder 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 no more then it proveth that those Elders to whom he then wrote were all Apostles for none durst join themselves to the Apostles in commission Acts 5.13 till they had ordained and appointed them and therefore no doubt those that ministred had their approbation and appointment first from them except they had an immediate call from God as Paul had from heaven and Ananias in a vision to go and baptize Paul But their ordinary way was to give commission by laying on of hands and ordination Therefore we read Acts 6.3 that they appointed the seven elected Deacons and laied their hands upon them though they had the Holie Ghost before that Acts 6.3 yet had no commission to officiate that dutie till then Acts 6.6 So also Barnabas and Saul was separated by command from the Holie Ghost to the particular work to which God had appointed them and they were separated by the imposition of hands fasting and praier and to that work approved So we find that Barnabas and Saul ordain Elders in every Citie at Lystra Iconium and Antioch Acts 14.22 23. till which time we read not of the word Elders nor of ordination which power of ordination so far as I see was ever kept in the hands of the Apostles and such whom they made superintendents over many Churches So Paul having made Titus superintendent or Bishop over Creet appointed him to ordain Elders in every Citie Calvin Institu lib. 4. cap. 3. which power I find not given to every inferiour Presbyter nor yet to many of them associated without a superintendent I know some may say that those that sent Barnabas and Saul were not Apostles I answer though none of the twelve yet of the second order namely Apostolicall Prophets such as are spoken of Eph. 4.11 not by foretelling things to come but by expounding the divine oracles Ambrose in 1 Cor 12. who in that time were no lesse than Bishops for we read not of any of the 72 Disciples nor of any other meer Presbyters that ever took upon them imposition of hands and therefore when Philip had converted some people at Samaria the Apostles sent Peter and John to lay their hands on them Acts 8. by which they received the Holie Ghost by an holie consignation Eph. 1.13 not for miraculous operation Mathe. What other difference is there between Bishop and Presbyter Phila. As they were more ancient that by them Presbyters might be ordained so they were of more dignitie and authoritie then any meer Presbyters This dignitie and authoritie the Apostles kept to themselves a while First because as yet the Church was not setled Secondlie because at first few or none were found fit for that office But at last lest equalitie and paritie should breed schisme they set up superintendents or Bishops Hieron in Tit. c. 1. Ep. ad Evagri who did excell other Presbyters both in conferring rewards and also in censuring manners as in Tit. 1.5 he had power to ordain So they had a jurisdiction coactive and corrective transmitted to them from the Apostles as Timothy is bid by St Paul to charge some that they preach at Ephesus no other but sound doctrin 1 Tim. 1.3 and to restrain prophane and vain bablings 2 Tim. 2.16 And Titus is also authorized by S. Paul to put some to silence Tit. 1.11 as well as to rebuke others v. 10. yea to excommunicate some Tit. 3.10 Hieron advers Luciferi By this means faction was prevented which else likelie might have made in time as many schismaticks as Priests some people crying up Paul others Apollos others Cephas 1 Cor. 1.12 The Apostles therefore set up Bishops in divers Cities who were succeeded by others in place and authoritie still above Presbyters Aug. cont Manich. Epi. c. 4. to 6. which succession hath kept people still in the lap of the Church whose prosperity hath much depended upon their power and dignitie And that there hath been a continued succession of them the Ecclesiasticall histories sufficientlie declare And that they have been alwaies in higher dignitie then Presbyters must needs be allowed or else the Apostles left the Church in unwarrantable paritie contrary to Christs example who gave the twelve Apostles an higher title then the 72 Disciples Luke 10. and so did they set others above Presbyters And these we find sometimes called Apostles i. of the second order Gal. 1.19 So James the Lords brother was called an Apostle yet he was none of the twelve and also many other called so 1 Cor. 15.7 which were not of the twelve neither This no doubt was in regard of their precedencie as Epaphroditus was called the messenger or Apostle of the Philippians Phil 2.25 Theod. in 1 Tim. 3. and what is that saith Theodoret but their Bishop namely of that Church The twelve are alwaies in Scripture called the Apostles of Jesus Christ because they had from him their immediate divine mission but others that had only Apostolike ordination they are only called Apostles or Apostles i. Bishops of such Churches as Gal. 1.19 and 2 Cor. 8.23 And this appears further that such Apostles were Bishops because Christ commends the Angell of the Church of Ephesus for trying those that said they were Apostles but were not These that were tried could be none of the twelve for they were all known to that Angell if they were at that time living but it is most like to be some that like Diotrephes sought the preheminence of an Apostolicall Bishop which was above the Presbyters in many things As 1. In imposition of hands or confirmation 2. In ordination 3. In superioritie of
and easie absolution Therefore though a Priest hath power to denie the Sacrament upon good grounds yet not to excommunicate from all society in the Church without the authority of his superiour nor was it wont that one should be received again to the Sacrament without the hand of the Superiour and Clergy was laied upon his head Cyp. l. 3. Ep. 16. in token of reconcilement So Bishops were wont to give account to Synods of their excommunicating men Conc. Nic. Can. 5. Concil Sardcens Can. 14. And for absolution of Schismaticks it is true the people have been called together to be satisfied in their repentance not to confirm the sentence but to satisfie their conscience in the absolution and to prevent schisms afterward they observing how the party was stricken with fear and recovered with shame but this was no proofe of a Lay Presbytery Mathe. What was then the Presbytery mentioned by St Paul Phila. It is but once mentioned in all the New Testament as in the 1 of Tim. 4.14 which I have proved to be only spirituall men as Pastours and Teachers called Elders as at Jerusalem fifteen years after Christs ascension were Apostles and Elders Acts 15. So at Antioch were Prophets and Teachers as Barnabas Simeon Lucius Manahen Saul and Mark and others Acts 13. which the Apostles placed in Cities where they had planted the Gospell This was done for the defence of beleevers against seducers that crept into houses and subverted many by teaching things that they ought not for filthy lucres sake 2 Tim. 3. And that those ruling Elders were Lay Judges that Paul speaks of it plainly appeareth to the contrary for the Apostle there speaks of maintenance allowed out of the Church stock which I never heard or read was given to any Lay ruler and certainly if St Paul was loath to have the Church burdened with a widow 1 Tim. 5. so long as her own kindred could maintain her would lesse put the charge of a Lay Judge upon it The Governors in the Apostles times were moderators of dissentions 1 Cor. 6.4 between party and party by their gifts of wisedome discretion and judgement by-which decision of controversies the slander of the Gospell might be prevented in their going to law before Magistrates who were Infidels 1 Cor. 6.1 But beside these I find no Lay rulers to meddle in Ecclesiasticall affairs 1 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 2. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 I mean common people called Lay from the Greek word that signifieth people or secular men but only Presbyters i. Priests in a short speaking Beside we find that God hath alwaies governed his Church by Regall Propheticall or Sacerdotall jurisdiction therefore Christ being all these in himselfe governeth his Church so by Magistrates Teachers and Pastors Now the Lay Elder is neither of these for they are no Prophets because they have no charge of his word nor have they Priestly power in regard of sins and Sacraments as Jam. 5.14 15. If any be sick let him send for the Elders of the Church who shall pray and annoint him with oile and his sins shall be forgiven him These Elders were not Lay men but such to whom was committed the gift of healing and absolution Nor have they the Regall power for then the Magistrate must be subject to them not they to him or if they had it can last no longer than when the Magistrate is a Christian So that I see not how Lay Elders should be governors of the Church but they must be Magistrates or Ministers Mathe. If there be no Christian Magistrates must then the Ministers take all the power of government Phila. They may do as was done in the Primitive times when the Church was not protected by the civill sword but rather persecuted Mathe. But what if they grow Hereticks or prove pernicious Phila. Then the whole may avoid the unsound for in such cases the people have power of desertion but not of coercion they may avoid or decline but not punish their Pastors as John 10. my sheep know my voice but strangers they will not follow So Rom. 16. mark them that cause divisions and avoid them for no doubt where the publike State is not Christian Cyp. l. 10. Ep. 4 the people have power to chuse a good Pastor and refuse a bad one Mathe. What Presbytery is that which the ancient Fathers do so often speak of in their writings Phila. First you must know that the Scriptures speak of three degrees in the Church and so do the Catholike Fathers viz. of Deacons Elders or Presbyters and Bishops and when they speak of a Presbytery they mean a company consisting of these as if you read them you shall find in Ignatius Jerom in Tit. 1. Amb. in 1 Tim. 5. Ignat. ad Trallianos Magnes Philad Smyrn Antioch Aug. de civit dei l. 20. c. 9. in Psal 106. Isid Originum lib. 7. Tertul. in Apolog. In his tract of flight in the time of persecution And Aug. speaking of seats of Church Governors shewes plainly that Lay men had not judgement seats in the Church for who governed the Church he tels us in Psal 106. they that sate at the stern as himselfe did Mathe. How came Bishops to be above the Presbyters Phila. Christ made a difference in the degrees of Apostles and disciples so did the Apostles of Bishops and Presbyters for though at first both the Bishop Presbyter and Deacon were all included in the Apostles yet as they found reason to lead them to make Deacons Acts 6.3 and also Presbyters in severall places to keep up the Gospel which they had planted as there were Presbyters at Ephesus Acts 20. and also among the converted Jewes 1 Pet. 5. where St Peter calleth himselfe a fellow Presbyter i. in care and pains not in office and degree 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 so the equality of Presbyters breeding faction among the people they were forced to commit the care of the Church planted to some choice person who might oversee the flock as Pastor of the place and the rest to be his helpers in dispersing the word and advising in the Church government and to these were committed ordination and imposition of hands and the keies not to the Presbyters which the Fathers call Episcopall power This may be seen by Paul's Epistles to Timothy and Titus 1 Tim. 1.2 So c. 5.22 Tit. 1.5 and how they kept the keies to themselves may be collected from the 2 Thes 3. where he bids the Presbyters only note him by a letter that would not obey his words but the use or sparing of the rod he keeps to himselfe 1 Cor. 4. 2 Cor. 12.13 and delivers it to those no doubt whom he made overseers or Bishops like themselves who were also called Bishops Cyp. l. 3. Ep. 9. Amb. in Eph. 4. Epiph. cont Heres lib. 1. haer 27. Hier. in Jac. Theod. in Phil. cap. 1. and exercised the office of Bishops or
Ignat. in Epist ad Antiochen Therefore Ignatius in his Epistles to divers Churches warneth the Laity to obey the Presbyters and Deacons and that the Presbyters feed the flock till God shew who shall be your Pastor after my death Thus they succeeded one another and alwaies in an higher degree than Presbyters for although at first the name Bishop and Presbyter was used indifferently one for the other while the Episcopall office remained in the Apostles and Evangelists yet when they succeeded Calv. Instit l. 4. c. 4. S. 4. Theodor. in cap. 3.1 Ep. ad Tim. that were neither Apostles nor Evangelists then the higher degree were called Bishops answering to the Apostles by which term Apostle the Bishops were first called as was Epaphroditus * 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Phil. 2.25 but afterward they left that title to the twelve Apostles and took the name of Bishops or overseers to themselves so verifying the prophecie in Psal 45.16 concerning the Church instead of thy fathers i. the Apostles that begat thee thou shalt have children even such as thou hast begotten i. ministers Hieron in Psal 45. Aug. in Psal 45. whom thou shalt make rulers i. Bishops saith St Jerom whom the Church hath placed in the seats of her fathers and to bring them back to the cels of the Presbyters hath been accounted no lesse then sacriledge and however men may count it Reformation to abolish that order I shal pray that they may not find it destruction to the Church Exact Synod Chalcedon de Photio Eustathio and lastly to themselves a curse Pro. 20.25 Mal. 3.9 Mathe. However they succeed the Apostles in ordination and corrections yet the Presbyters think not themselves inferiour and therefore not subject to them Phil. They ought not so to think but to be subject because God hath made them Fathers and Pastors and Christ cals them the seven stars in regard of their rule as the seven Planets do govern naturall bodies and Angels in respect of their intelligence they have with Christs mind which they are to convey to others This name Angels saith Austin was given to the Ruler of the Church of Ephesas Aug Epi. 162. So Auth. in 1 Cor. cap. 12. And Bullinger saith the heavenly Epistle was directed to the Angell i. the Pastour of the Church of Smyrna which was Polycarpus who was placed there by St John fifteen yeers before he wrote the Revelation By which may be gathered that these were chiefe in authority and that Presbyters and people were to take direction and reproofe from them for he is charged above the rest and therefore surely he had some power and authority above the rest these being the chief Priests Aug. in Psa 45 and Fathers of Christs Church and therefore are to be obeied not only by the people but the Presbyters also as saith Jerom to Nepotian Hier. ad Nep. teaching the duty of a Presbyter Be subject to thy Bishop and reverence him as the father of thy soule and that Presbyter that doth not so Amb. offi lib. 2. cap. 24 Cyp l. 3. Ep. 14 he through pride swarveth from the right way And Cyprian blameth some Presbyters that without regard to the Bishop set over them do take upon them to do any thing but he threatens to suspend such from their ministry Ignat. ad Mag. Therefore Ignatius advised the Magnesians that as Christ did nothing without his Father so they should neither without their Bishop whether you be Presbyter Deacon or Lay man And he chargeth the Sarsonses thus Presbyters be subject to your Bishops Deacons to your Presbyters and Lay men to all My soule for theirs that observe this order the Lord will be alwaies with them This man lived neer enough to the Apostles time to know how the Church was then governed And by the Apostolicall Canons the Presbyters and Deacons are to do nothing without the consent of the Bishop Can. Apost 8. Concil Arelat 1. ca. 19. Hier advers Lucif for to his charge the people are committed no they are not to baptize without the Bishops leave saith Ierom and affirmeth that the safety of the Church dependeth thereupon not that Bishops usurped and took this power upon themselves but by the Apostolike tradition and example and afterward by the allowance of Emperours and lawes of States and Provinces and Synodall Canons none of which did allow any domineering in Bishops but gave them power over Presbyters and yet Presbyters leave to appeale from them if they thought themselves wronged to the neerest Bishops Concil African can 129. or to the Primate or to the next Synod Mathe. Whether may the people have the election of Pastors by Gods Word Phila. We find no such election in Gods Word Oecumen in 1 Tim. cap 4. By the commandement and appointment of the Holy Ghest were Bishops made as Timothy by prophecy Theod● in 1 Tim. 1. i. by divine revelation say Theodore The phylact and Ambrose on the first Epistle to Timothy Next they chose others as I have shewed you Afterward came in popular elections grounded upon humane society which in reason challengeth an approbation at least of those to whom they submit themselves and allow maintenance But yet even in this the people had only rather a proposall of one or approbation of one then an election of one for they had two waies to settle a Bishop the first by election Cyp. l. 1. Ep. 1. the second was by postulation the election was thus performed When a Bishops chair was void some Bishops that were neerest consulted to meet there at a certain day of which they gave notice to the people and Presbyters of that place who came on that day into the Church and three Bishops at least came also from the adjacent places and there observed whom the Clergy named and whom the people proposed and as all or most agreed so the man was chosen but another day fixed for his ordination In the mean time any objections might be made but if he were clear the Bishops made him Pastor of that Church But secondly if that City wanted an approved man then they desired the Bishop of the ancientest City called the Metropolis and he the Metropolitan to send them such an one as he approved which he did after himselfe and three other Bishops had tried him Thus also Presbyters were setled and ordained by the examination of the Bishop and testimony of the people Concil Cartha 3. Can. 22. Conc. Laodic Can. 23. yet the multitude must not elect those that were called to be Priests though they might present such as they thought fit But alwaies three Bishops at least ordained a Bishop and one Bishop a Presbyter Can. Apost ca. 1 2. This was the common order except when the people made tumults Eus l. 1. c. 24. Evag. l. 2. c. 5. c. 8. as the Church histories tell us For which uprores the Emperour Justinian took
overseers while they lived and so left it to other faithfull men afterward James was the first Bishop of Jerusalem as saith Eusebius lib. 3. cap. 5. and St Ierome saith the Apostles ordained him so And Theodoret upon the Philip. chap. 1. saith that Epaphroditus had the Episcopall office setled on him because Paul calleth him their Apostle Eph. 2.25 Mathe. Why were not Bishops trusted with the Church at the first erecting of it Phila. Because the Church had at first more need of Presbyters and Deacons Epiph. cont Aerium lib. 3. ho. 75. for whilst the Apostles continued neer the places where they had planted Churches there was no need of any Bishops or overseers save themselves by their presence letters or messengers But when they were finally to forsake those parts then they did secure the Church by fit substitutes 2. Sufficient men for the office were very scarce to be had as Phil. 2. I have no man like Timotheus who will faithfully care for your matters for all seek their own Calv. Insilt lib. 4. cap. 8. 3. Factions began by the equality of Presbyters as some among the Galathians set up circumcision So Phil. 3. some were called dogs and evill workers and were the enemies to the crosse So Col. 2. some burdened the Church with traditions others corrupted the Gospell with Philosophy Col. 2. So some impugned the resurrection 1 Cor. 15. and Col. 2. Others fained the day of Christ to be at hand 2 Thes 2. many wolves entred foretold Acts 20. and false teachers 2 Pet. 2. yea many Antichrists 1 John 2. and cap. 4. to prevent or represse which the Apostles set up superintendents or Bishops to rule the Presbyters as they to teach the people that the gainsaiers might be reproved Tit. 1.5 And that they exercised Episcopall jurisdiction is plain in that he had power of ordination 1 Tim. 5.2 Oecumen in 1 Tim. cap. 4. lay hands therefore suddenly on no man 1 Tim. 5. And also the power of correction So 1 Tim. 5.1 Rebuke not an Elder but exhort him as a father which plainly shewes the difference between a Bishop and a Presbyter And if we read ancient writers Epiph. haeres 25. Cypr. l. 1. Ep. 8. Ep. 4. you will find beside the proofe of Scripture both reason and practise enough for the setting of Bishops in the Church over Presbyters although in many cases the Presbyters did associate the Bishop Mathe. But how prove you Bishops to be chiefe Phila. It is not unlike but the Church having received this order from the Apostles would alwaies continue it and therefore from the Primitive times they had peculiar to themselves Hier. ad Rusti Monachum singularity in succession and superiority in ordination By singularity I understand one Bishop in one City though divers Presbyters and Deacons in divers Congregations and upon this singularity depends the safety of the Church Hier. advers Lucif which else would be rent asunder by as many schismes as there be Priests It may be you will object that St Paul seems to acknowledge many Bishops in one City Phil. 1.1 as at Philippi he writes to the Bishops and Deacons Oecumen in 1 cap. ad Phil. Chrys hom 1. in 1 chap. ad Philip. Opt. cont Pamerianum l. 25 But these were Presbyters yet called Bishops because as yet the name was common to both but afterward they were distinguished by their proper name as Theodoret writes in the 1 chap. to the Philippians And Optatus saith that he is a schismatick and a sinner that erecteth one Bishops seat against another 2. They had superiority in ordination for it was fit that the lesse should be blessed of the greater and that a superiour must ordaine the inferior It is true Concil Cartha 4. Can. 4. that the Councill of Carthage saith that Presbyters shall lay their hands neer the Bishops hand upon the head of him that is to be ordained so that shewes that Presbyters cannot ordain without a Bishop and therefore their hands were only laied by way of consent and approbation or else the Fathers and other Councils are deceived Yea Tit. 1.4 beside the Scripture settles it in the Bishop not in the Presbyters as you may read in another Councill who rejected a Presbyter that was ordained or consecrated by another Presbyter though the Bishop laied his hands upon his head but suffered the other Presbyter to read the words of consecration Concil Hispalenf Ca. 5. Epiph. haer 69. because himselfe was troubled with sore eies and could not well read So was one Colluthus a Presbyter reproved and all the Presbyters that he had presumptuously made were rejected in a generall Councill So it was decreed against Maximus a Presbyter in the same case Athan. apol 2. by the first Councill of Constantinople Can. 4. Mathe. But how prove you their succession Phila. First the Scripture tels us that the Apostles placed some in divers Cities in their life time as Timothy at Ephesus where Onesimus succeeds Eus lib. 3. cap. 35. Titus at Creet Epaphroditus at Philippi Polycarpus at Smyrna by St John Linus at Rome by St Peter Iren. l. 3. c. 3. Eus l. 2. c. 1. Iames at Jerusalem by the Apostles and he was succeeded by forty Bishops unto Macarius who sate in the Councill of Nice Eus l. 3. c. 22. So Euodias succeeds Peter at Antioch Ignatius was next who had seen Christ in the flesh Hieron in Ignat. Col. 4. Mark St Peter's scholler was Bishop of Alexandria to whom succeeded Arianus Caius of whom Paul speaks Rom. 16. was Bishop of Thessalonica Archippus of Coloss Dionysius Bishop of Corinth and so look and you shall find succession maintained by an holy care of the Church rulers commending it one to the other especially in those places and Cities that had their first Bishops from the Apostles hands and we find them in a plain succession for 676 years after Christ in the fourth fift and sixt generall Councils but by wars persecutions and the like the succession hath been in many places interrupted and sometimes at a stop in Rome it selfe but yet this sheweth there was and ought to be also so far as I see a succession of them continued Hieron ad Evagrium and therefore the Presbyters themselves till they grew factious in case there was none setled by the preceding Bishop they did elect one out of themselves and placed him in an higher degree and called him Bishop And this saith St Jerom was generall throughout the world after that men began to challenge those that they baptized to be their own and not Christs it was decreed that one of the many Presbyters in a City or Province should be chosen Hieron in 1. c. Epist ad Titum and set above the rest to whom the whole care of that Church should appertaine and in these successions continued of one and no more though the Presbyters were many
the form of baptism saying I baptize thee in the name of the Father by the Son Niceph. hist l. 10. c. 35. in the Spirit the baptisme of such indeed is vaine and no baptisme but the baptisme of those that hold the foundation of faith as the Novatians did but built not rightly upon it yet kept the true form of baptizing such might be admitted into the Church again without rebaptization because there is but one truth faith and baptisme Again another error rose up about the year 380. Donatus by Donatus and his disciples Donatus was Bishop of Numidia and held that the true Church was only among those in Africa that held with him contrary to that universall donation which God gave to Christ by promise Psal 2. I will give thee the heathen for thine inheritance and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession Optatus whom Optatus Bishop of Milevitane confuted in the time of Valentinian the Emperour Also this Donatus affirmed that all that had been baptized in the universall Church save by those of his party ought to be rebaptized whose error the Anabaptists still follow These were worse then the other for they were not only schismaticks but hereticks also for they denied that Article of the Creed which confesseth the Church Catholick yet our Brownists and Anabaptists in these latter times follow their steps by refusing communion with the Church of England and in their uncharitable censures of all that are not of their party Aug. ep 50. as also in defacing the Churches and breaking down Communion Tables for a third error sprung up 1525. by the Anabaptists in Germany of whom I have spoken already They held that children ought not to be baptized til they came to ripe age and can give account of their faith These are very deeply plunged in this old error yea more then any of the former for they not only nullifie all baptisme by Papists or Protestants but deny baptisme to infants also which neither the Novatians nor Donatists did Mathe. But what say you to the third tenet That there ought to be no set form of Praier or Liturgy in the Church Phila. I shall prove that such set forms may be in the Church 1. By Scriptures 2. Antiquity And 3. By reason 1. By Scriptures Liturgy proved lawfull God set a form of blessing the people Num. 6.23 So of confession Deut. 26.5 and of praier Hos 14.2 and Joel 2.17 And therefore the Church may imitate God in this she having the spirit of supplication poured upon her though such forms be not indited to her by immediate infusion Beside we find in Scriptures that holy men of themselves did without any prescription from God set down forms of praier and praises as Moses Num. 10.35 36. and David set Psalms to be sung at certain times as Psal 92. a song for the Sabbath day and Psal 102. is a Psalm for the afflicted So we find some called Psalms of degrees which they sung when the Priests went up the steps to the Temple This they did and yet no doubt could pray by the spirit also In the New Testament also Cyp. de orat dom Christ not only set us a rule to pray by Mat. 6.9 but as a form to use Luke 11.2 When ye pray say our Father c. And Christ used a form thrice saying the same words Mat. 26.39 So the Apostle used a form saying The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with you and so in many Epistles 2. It may be proved by antiquity and modern history that the Churches from the Apostles had set forms that they might with one mind and one mouth glorifie God Rom. 15.6 And some think that the form of sound words committed to Timothy was some symbole of faith or form of Liturgy But however it is plain that in the first hundred yeers Victorinus Sciaticus in praef Laturg Clem in Epi. ad Corinth Hegesippus both the Greek and Latine East and West Church had set forms which some write they received from the Apostles And surely James chosen Bishop of Jerusalem by the Apostles had not the name of Liturgus given him for nothing some say from a Liturgy that he composed So likewise in the next age we find that the Christians met every Lords day and had certain select places of scripture read to them and had common praiers beside the ministers particular conceived praier and also sung Psalms So Ignatius writing to the Magnesians an Epistle generally confessed to be his saith Iust Mart. apol 2. ad Antoninum Imperat. and chargeth them to meet all in one place and to have one common praier and to meet in one faith and one hope unblameable in Jesus Christ and so to run as if all were but one to the Church as to one Altar and one Jesus Christ This man suffered martyrdome in the year 107. after Christ And as in the former times they had their common praiers 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Tertul. apol c. 30. so they had also prescribed praiers as appears in the forms of their praiers for Emperours recited by Tertullian and the short antiphonas and responsories which we find in St Cyprians which are retained in our Liturgies to this time Magd. hist cent 3. viz. Lift up your hearts saith the Minister at the Communion the people answered We lift them up to the Lord. He lived about the year 250. Then next in the time of Constantine the great about 300. and odd years after Christ He commanded praiers to be made in a set form for the welfare of the Empire Euse Eccl. hist lib. 4. c. 19. and the propagation of the Gospell and thanksgivings for that God had given him victory over all the tyrants and persecuters of the Church and he himselfe made a form for his souldiers to say every day And farther the Councill of Laodicea about 368. called after the death of Jovinian the Emperor set down rules that one and the same service should be used morning and evening And when some began to make use of extempore praiers of their own and left the common forms then the Milevitane Councill assembled afterward in the raign of Arcadius about some 400 years after Christ whereof St Austin Bishop of Hippo was president and wherein the hereticks Pelagius and Caelestius who held that man had power and free will to do good without the support of grace were sufficiently confuted This Councill I say made orders that none should in the Churches use any other praiers but those that were composed by the Synod and gives this reason lest some by ignorance or want of care might utter something in the Church that might be dissonant from the Catholike faith to which order not only Presbyters but also Bishops were to be subject After this in the next age Basil and Ambrose Chrysostome makes Liturgies for their Churches And in the next age Gregory and Isidore did the like
by collecting from former Liturgies which kind of form Calvin himselfe approveth and wisheth that there might be such a form from which no Minister might depart Mathe. Yet Calvin and his followers are against the Liturgy and discipline of the Church of England though it be a reformed Church even as the Papists are against Luther and him Phila. It is true Mr Calvins Reformation yet both Luther and he have been great refiners of Christian Religion from drosse and rust of superstition which cleaved thereunto and mud which it collected by running through the dirty channels of Rome that spirituall Babylon It is true that he being bred to the Civill Law yet studied Divinity wherein he proved a great proficient as by his writings appeareth in all which he consenteth with the Protestant truth professed He having occasion to leave France came to Geneva which City had lately been abandoned by the Bishop and Clergy thereof for fear of the people who began to rise against the popish religion there Their civill government was by Magistrates chosen yearly by the people and for Church-government they had then agreed upon none but they chose Calvin for their Preacher and Divinity Lecturer He with two other Ministers perswaded with some ado the people to bind themselves solemnly by oath First never to admit Popery again And secondly to obey such orders in the exercise of Religion as himselfe and the other two had contrived according to the Word of God They consented and yet within a little while repented of it And because Calvin and the other two Ministers would not administer the Communion to those that denied quiet obedience according to their oath those three Calvin and his two associats were banished the Town but within a few years they called him in again He told them that if he undertook to be their Pastor they must admit a compleat form of Church Discipline and should be sworn for ever to observe it The order was that there should be an Ecclesiasticall Court erected which should be alwaies standing that should consist of one Clergy man certaine and two Lay men annually chosen which seemed much to content the people they being alwaies to have the more voices but Calvin knew that the Ministers had ods enough having both art learning and the tongue of perswasion At last the people many of them disliked it and thought it no better then popish tyranny and imagined that Calvin had done all this to please his fantasy as Apelles that pretended to draw the picture of Venus and made it like his beloved Cratina Yet considering the time and place I see not what more acceptable government he could have set up therefore those people thought it better to condescend to him than to dismisse him to their own infamy since they had so importunately recalled him to them yet not many yeers after the Consistory or Ecclesiasticall Court having excommunicated Bertelier the Senate of the Town releaseth him under their common seale But Calvin resolved to withstand that decree at least by refusing to absolve or give the Sacrament to Bertelier which he resolutely did not and in the afternoon on the Lords day after his sermon took his leave of them saying I commend you to God and to the word of his grace and so bid them farewell They of Geneva sent to the Helvetian Churches for their judgement in Calvins discipline and whether they might better change then hold it It was answered that their ordinances were godly and enclined toward the Scripture and that they were better to hold them then to change so Mr Calvins discipline was accepted And as his name grew famous so was his discipline taken up by the French reformed Churches and Scotland and by some exalted in their Sermons so high that they have said that a Minister with his Eldership hath power given from God to excommunicate even Kings and Princes Beza and Erastus hath canvased this point of discipline The first saith that excommunication is a most necessary discipline and Erastus denieth the necessity of Lay Elders to be Ministers thereof By others it hath been cried up for the Lords discipline Mart. Marpr in l. 3. p. 8. yea and that all Christian Churches ought to receive it whether the governors of it will or not And England hath been threatned by libels that since the Brethren cannot prevaile by Petition to Prince Parliament and Councill we must thank our selves if such means be used to bring in discipline as will make all our hearts to ake And I beleeve such hath been used of late years but the disciplinarians have been prevented of their end by men of an higher genius then they have But this hath been the Helena that hath caused so much sharp contentions Mathe. It seemeth that Calvins discipline aimed at a parity of Clergy and Laitie which is the fourth point held by the Anabaptists of which I desire your judgement Phila. Calvin did indeed make them equall in censuring others by his discipline but not as the Anabaptists do for they would have no distinction between Clergy and Lay-men no not in exercising the ministeriall office but that all men perform it that will if gifted But God hath distinguished them as he did Aaron from the Levites and the Levites from the Laity yea before the Law there was that distinction Melchisedech was the Priest of the high God and it seems very nature taught it for Jethro was Priest of Midian And Egypt had Priests too distinct from other men And Christ said to his disciples go yee and teach all nations And St Paul doth plainly distinguish between the Pastor and flock Acts 20.28 and saith they that are taught should communicate to the teacher Gal. 6.6 for all the body must not be an eie or tongue Methinks the judgement that God hath shewed upon men usurping that office should be enough to convince the evill of this opinion as upon Corah Dathan and Abiram Numb 16.31 Upon Miriam Vzza 2 Sam. 6.7 and Vzziah 2 Chro. 26.21 Mathe. They say there is no difference between a gifted Layman and a Clergyman but only ordination which adds no power to a man Phila. Yes it doth for though sufficiency or rather competency of gifts may enable a man to the office yet that ability cannot authorize him to perform the ministry and therefore he is to look for an outward calling by his superiour Rom. 10.15 for how can they preach unlesse they be sent Now they must be sent by such who by a continued succession from the Apostles can derive their ordinations Helver post c. 18. Bohem. Confes c. 9. Aug. Confes art 14. Wittemb Con. art 20. Bern. in Cant. which was long before the Church of Rome fell from the faith even 1600 years ago which calling of Ministers hath been followed by England and the reformed Church who will suffer none to meddle with the administration of holy things without constitution Against whom St Bernard
jurisdiction 4. In Ecclesiasticall censure And 5. In giving definitive sentences Mathe. I pray make this plainly appear Phila. 1. For imposition of hands or confirmation we find no Presbyter nor any of the 72 Disciples to take that office upon him alone without the Apostle or Bishop and when they did so they did it rather for approbation of the partie then benediction Therefore though Philip converted the Samaritans and did miracles yet Peter and John were sent to confirm them Act. 8. so did S. Paul at Ephesus Acts 19. which imposition of hands was not alwaies the medium of conveying the gift of tongues and doing miracles but of sanctifying and comforting grace and therefore called a fundamentall point of Christianitie Heb. 6.2 So 2. For ordination we find it still given by the Apostles not by the Disciples therefore Acts 6. when the seven Deacons were chosen the Apostles laid their hands upon them not any other of the Disciples out of whose number they were taken though they were now but only ordained Deacons of the Churches stock Concil Const in Trul. Can. 16. not of the holy mysteries And 3. They had a full jurisdiction over the Church John 20.21 as my Father sent me so send I you Bed l. 3. c. 15. in Lucan This was not said to the 72 Disciples who might well be the first representative Presbyters but to the Apostles Christ spake this from whom both Presbyters and Deacons were to take their order which if any man with the heretick Arrius will deny then he must prove from whence Presbyters derive their order From Christ they cannot he made none of that name if from the Apostles then they must confesse it subordinate to the Apostles order set in the Church or else they must confound Apostles and Presbyters together contrary to St Paul who saith all are not Apostles 1 Cor. 12.29 So 4. In Ecclesiasticall censures the Apostles and Bishops were supreme as may be seen in 1 Cor. 5.3 where by the authority of Paul the incestuous person is to be delivered to Satan This was the Apostolike rod 1 Cor. 4.21 and as the Fathers called it the Bishops sword which no Presbyter did use to handle farther than as it was delegated to him by the Apostle or Bishop to denounce or declare So 5. In giving definitive sentence in any matter of faith we find it still in the Apostle or Bishop as Acts 15.13 after Peter Paul and Barnabas had been heard James not the Apostle but Bishop of Jerusalem being president of that Councill gave definitive sentence in that controversie about circumcising the Gentiles Mathe. But doth this government stand still in force Phila. I know not why it should not being derived from so high an authority as Christ and his Apostles It is true the pride of the Roman Bishop and the idlenesse of some others have caused the people in many places to cast off this government by which the truth hath much suffered and the people have been much distracted by strange forms of government imposed Mathe. Hath God set any certain forms of government for the Church Phila. Yes in all ages For from Adam to the flood the discipline of the Church was domesticall and paternall the most ancient of the family being both Prince and Priest by which two Offices God hath alwaies governed his Church The eldest son alwaies succeeded in his fathers place except for wickednesse he was rejected as Cain Cham and Reuben After the flood God continued it in Shem who was King and Priest thought to be Melchizedeck Next God called Abraham whom Melchisedeck blessed who ruled his family like a Prince and a Priest so did Isaack his son to whom the promised seed was entailed His son Jacob though the younger got the blessing and birth-right He had twelve sons God in them severed these offices Judah had the scepter and seed roiall insured to him Levi had the Priesthood 1 Chron. 5.2 and Joseph had the birth-right And these three never met again in any one but in Jesus Christ Then after Jacob the Church was governed again by the heads and fathers of the twelve tribes though obscurely in Egypt from whence when God had graciously delivered them and made them his peculiar people he severed the tribe of Levi from the rest to wait upon his Altar Yet he made a distinction of Priests and Levites and of Aaron and his sons from the rest of the same tribe by committing to them the charge of the holy things of the Tabernacle Num. 4. v. 15. 19 20 27 33. and by appointing them over the other Levits that came of Gershom Kohah and Merari to command them their severall services And God punished those that rebelled against this order as may be seen in Corah Dathan and Abiram Num. 6.9 10. who accounting that order wherein God had placed them to be a small matter did aspire to the Priests office and so incurred upon themselves the wrath of God Beside among the Levites themselves were three principall heads named by God himselfe as Eliasaph for the Gershonites Num. 3.24 30. Elizaphan for the Kohathites and Zuriel for the Merarites And afterward there were other chiefe fathers of the Levites that directed the rest in their severall courses allorted by David 1 Chron. 23.24 The Priests also were of sundry orders among themselves The first dignity belonged to the High Priest The secondary to him was Ithamar Num. 4.28 33. and his off-spring who commanded the Gershonites and Merarites to their service These were reckoned and called the Princes of the Sanctuary in those things that pertained to God And out of these were chosen by David the twenty four courses to serve in the Temple 1 Chron. 14. together with substitutes under them to assist in their presence or in their absence Luke 1.5 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 In this respect Zacharias is said to be of the course of Abia viz. the eighth course of the twenty four And these in the New Testament are called the chiefe Priests Mat. 2.4 And these also were Elders and Judges in their own Cities 1 Chron. 26. for the execution of Moses Law and sate also with the Elders sometimes of other Cities in judgement for the explication of Moses Law wherein if any thing seemed too hard then it was referred to the counsell of Priests of the Levites and Judges which sate in that place Deut. 17. which the Lord did chuse for the Ark to rest in Mathe. But what is this to the Church Christian Phila. Though it cannot be proved by consequent that the Church Christian is bound to the same manner of government altogether For 1. The tribe of Levi was not subject to any other tribe but true Christian Ministers are though the popish Priests love not to be yoaked by the secular power 2. The politie of the Jewes being contained in the Law of Moses Deut. 21.19 it was necessary the Judges should
away that power from the people and setled in the Governors of the City to propound three two Novella Consti 123. or one orthodox and holy man without partiality and the Bishops were to ordaine him and if in six months this was not done then the Metropolitan might settle one So that we may see that the peoples election was not founded on Gods command but upon the reason of humane government and was subject to the Lawes and Canons of Princes and Priests Dist 61. S. for the rule was that in the choice of Priests the people was not to be followed but taught and therefore their power may be forfeited and transferred to the superiour and therefore if the multitude have a right then the Magistrate much more And we find that election of Bishops by default abuse or petition hath devolved to the Prince being a Christian Therefore lest variance should arise as oftentimes it did about the choice of a Bishop Theodosius the Emperor commanded the Bishops then present with him to settle Proclus in the Episcopal chair before Maximianus successor to Nestorius Bishop of Constantinople was buried Pelagius being chosen Bishop of Rome without the Emperors consent was excused by Gregory Platina in Pelag 2. because the Town was besieged and no messenger could passe to the Emperor Greg. Ep. l. 1. c. 5. Dist 62. S. breviter which Gregory was by the Emperor chosen Bishop of Rome without popular votes The Canon Law in this case hath a good rule viz the people is to present the Clergy to elect the Prince to consent Mathe. How came this to Princes hands at first Phila. There were at first few great Princes Christians and so could have no right in this businesse of electing Bishops 2. Bishops though they had greater authority than Presbyters yet they had no endowment but from the common charity and therefore the people after the Apostles time might justly expect some hand in the choice of them and so they had For Fabianus the nineteenth Bishop of Rome was chosen by their full consent and so they generally had it till after Constantine the Emperour But we read of Theodosius the elder commands the Bishops to give him a catalogue of such whom they thought fit to be made Bishop of Constantinople Sozom. l. 7. They did and the Emperour chose Nectarius one not yet baptized and hardly known yet the Councill though he was neither chosen by Clergy nor people thought it their duty after that he was baptized to pronounce him Bishop of Constantinople And this power in Princes arose sometimes from the desire of the Clergy as when Valentinian willed the Bishops to elect a Bishop of Millane to succeed Auxentius the Synod praied him being wise and religious to chuse one So sometimes by reason of differences in the choice it hath been referred to the Emperour and sometimes in regard of favour the Emperour had shewed to them in recalling them from banishment building Cities and Churches for them and giving them endowments to those Churches whereby the people were the more eased and the Bishops more free in the exercise of their function And this was much like the right of patronage which was alwaies allowed and is still with us here in England But if we search antiquity we shall find Synods allowing this power to Princes viz. that no man shall be ordained Bishop without the King Conc. Aurel. 51. Greg. Turonici hist Fran. The Kings of France kept this power and so have our Kings of England to themselves neither suffering Clergy nor people to meddle in the choice but by roiall assent no not the Pope himselfe Henry the first of England sent the Pope word that he would not lose the investiture of his Churches Mat. Paris in Hen. 1. an 1103 for the losse of his Kingdome And no wonder if Emperours and Kings looked narrowly to this power of which as the Pope did strive to rob them on the one side so did the Presbytery on the other Therefore the Statute of Provisors of benefices Stat. Edw. 3. anno 25. Westmo provides cleerly for the King in electing Bishops or collating Bishopricks And this is no more then was allowed to those that founded Churches and gave maintenance to them viz. to present a Clerk for they gave the Church so did the King Ansegilus legum Franciae lib. 1. cap. 84. Statut. de Marlebride Novella Consti 123. cap. 18. but neither King nor patron did consecrate or ordain nor may any Bishop nor authority refuse such being men of good life and learning if they doe the Plea of Quare impedit lieth against them The same liberty was given of ancient times by the Councill of Toledo an 654. And the Roman Lawes determined the same throughout the Empire by all which you may perceive how Princes had the power of electing Bishops Mathe. But I have heard some holy Fathers and Councils to have been against receiving of Bishops from the Princes Palace Phila. It is true Epist Athan. ad solit vitam agentes Athanasius saith that there is no Canon that a Bishop should be sent out of the Palace But Athanasius speaketh of such as were sent from Constantius the Emperour and placed in the Churches by force of his souldiers which was an invasion of the Churches rites because they had no admission by the Bishops So it is true that the second Councill of Nice alledged a Canon Nic. Syn. 2. Can. 3. that all elections of Bishops Presbyters or Deacons made by the Magistrate are void because a Canon saith that if any Bishop obtaine a Church by the help of the secular magistrate let him be deposed and put from the Lords Table and those that communicate with him But this Councill did not deny power to the Emperor or Prince to nominate but to impose a Bishop by his own command against both the Metropolitan and other Bishops admittance and ordination Nic. Syn. 2. Can. 3. Conc. Paris Can. 8. who should properly admit and ordaine them So the Council of Paris will have no Bishop imposed upon the people with the other Bishops leave viz. the Metropolitan and his Com-provincials for if any such were no man should accept him for Bishop And this was decreed long before in the Apostles Canons saying Can. Apost 30. If any Bishop resting on worldly governors by their help obtain a Church let him be deposed and excommunicated and all that join with him Mathe. How did the Bishops govern the Church Phila. They followed the Apostles rule namely to order their speciall congregations by their own singular power but in a matter wherein the whole Church was interessed they governed by Synods and Councils as the Apostles did also Acts 15. which Councils they at first before there was a Christian Magistrate called by consent among themselves or by the chiefe Bishop among them So there were two Synods summoned in Asia about reformation of the
Church and ordaining Bishops Others at Ancira in Galatia and in France and at Antioch against Montanus Others at Rome about the celebration of Easter But when the Emperour Constantine turned to the Christian faith he called the generall Councill of Nice in Bythinia against Arrius who denied Jesus Christ the Son of God to be of the same substance with the Father which opinion was there condemned and accursed and Easter day setled to be kept upon the Lords day and not on the Jewes fourteenth of Nisan And so Councils were usually called till the Pope usurped the power striving to wrest it from the Emperour and to set himselfe above Councils But had Charls the fift dealt as roundly with him about the Councill of Trent as the Emperour Sigismund did in the Council of Basil it had not been twenty five years in calling nor so long in sitting and so little good done But that they governed the Church by Councils it may appear from the great Councill of Nice Concil Nic. Can. 5. Con. Ant. Ca. 20 which decreed that there should be in every Province a Synod twice a year So concluded the Councill of Antioch so did the first Councill of Constant Can. 2. So the Council of Chalcedon Can. 29. So the third Council of Toledo Can. 18. So the second Councill of Turo Can. 1. And so good and approved was this government that when the Synod of Antioch sixty years before that of Nisen had condemned Paulus Samosatenus for heresie and he would not yeeld up his Church but kept it by violence they complained to the Emperour Aurelianus an heathen and he drove him out to his shame from Antioch Mathe. Why then are Bishops so much cried down in these latter times Phila. 1. By that spirit that lusteth to envy And 2. By selfe love which if it cannot swell us to be as big as others we do strive like Satan to pull down others to be like our selves 3. By covetousnesse which loves to part Christs coat or to cast lots for it many had rather cloath themselves with the Churches means then Christs merits and wrap themselves warm in his coat rather then trust to the purchase of his Crosse These are the motives whatever the pretences are or else why was not the Abby and Bishops lands reserved to pious uses I beleeve the Commonwealth was more rich by the Churches leases then ever she was by the Churches purchases The Farmer then grew from a Yeoman to a Gentleman and most of the purchasers are now fallen from Gentry to beggery But beside all this it is no wonder if that be cried down in these times of Libertinisme Hieron in 1. Epist ad Titum which was set up for the preventing of schism and heresie whose ground is alwaies pretended liberty of conscience which kind of people are alwaies adverse to Christ and his Spouse the Church and therefore ever persecute the overseers of the flock Cypr. Ep. 55. that they may the better adorn themselves with the ruines of the Church and are no doubt the followers of the great Antichrist and forerunners of the last apostacy of this world since the Church hath been governed by them Simler de rep Helvet fol. 148 for 1500 years and upward or by none or else by a disorderly confusion as we see in those Churches who have cast off Episcopacy as in Switzerland where a Lay man is President of their Consistory And at Zurick and Basil their Consistories are wholly Lay and Ministers are only to advise Yea in other places Ministers are not so much as assistants so that they may use their Ministers like minstrels and chuse whether they will hear them or no for they have no power nor hardly a right derivation of their ministry from the order of Christ and his Apostles Mathe. Whether can you derive your own aright having originally received it from Rome by Popish Bishops Phila. You think it seems that our Bishops took their ordination there at first or that there were no Bishops in England to ordain others but they must needs travell to Rome for it or take it from Rome by delegation and if so you take our Bishops and ministry to be meerly antichristian But suppose we had it from thence that will no more prove our ministry antichristian or popish then our very Bible Gospell or Baptisme if we received it from thence For superstition cannot annihilate the ordinances of God given at first from Christ no more then building stubble upon the foundation can destroy it or than a spring water is utterly spoiled by running from a rock through a clay But our Bishops and Presbytery we derive from the Apostles as we do also our Protestant doctrine professed which though held in unrighteousnesse in the Church of Rome like a captive for a time yet at last redeemed it selfe and came to light and shewed it selfe the true child of God begotten at first in Rome by the word of truth from which shee deviating the truth chose another foster-mother to dwell withall that will maintain her with goods and life and not forsake her to the death So our Bishops and Clergy came not at first from Rome though Rome hath made bold to invade the Church of England But for the first three hundred years after Christ the Pope had nothing to do out of his own Diocesse as may be seen by the Councill of Ephesus order Con. Ephes p. 1. act 7. made in the behalfe of the Cyprian Bishops against the Patriarch of Antioch who challenged their ordination That Councill decreed that the Cyprian Bishops should not be violated in their right and also that no Bishop should busie himselfe afterwards in anothers Province or invade others priviledges Ruff. hist Eccl. l. 1. c. 6. which they enjoied from the beginning By which the Bishop of Rome was shut up within his owne City and Suburbs And we find for certain that the Brittish Bishops did not acknowledge any obedience due from them to the Pope Spel. Conc. anno 601. which they must needs have done if they had their ordination from him and they had reason to stand upon it being Brittany was the elder Church planted by Joseph of Arimathea in Tiberius Caesars time Gild. de conq Brit. and Peter came not to Rome till the second year of the Emperor Claudius to settle that Church Mathe. How came the Brittish Bishops to be consecrated Phila. Some think by those that came with Joseph of Arimathea into England having Apostolike authority such as Simon Zelotes who was crucified in Brittany Jerom. in Catal. script Eccles Others think that some were ordained by Euga●ius and Damianus whom Elutherius Bishop of Rome sent to baptize at the request of King Lucius himselfe and people And if it were so there is no reason to find fault with our Bishops succession from thence he being an holy man and martyr and his two messengers being faithfull Pastours
But the Brittans being conquered by the Saxons we find that the Saxon Bishops were consecrated by Austin whom Gregory the first Bishop of Rome had formerly sent to bring the Brittans to his three rules First that the Brittish Clergy should be subject to the Bishop of Rome Secondly that they should conform to the Roman custome about the celebration of Easter Thirdly that they should join with him in preaching to the Saxons All this they Synodically refused so that Austin was fain to return to Rome to be consecrated himselfe and then to consecrate the Saxon Bishops alone without the assistance of any other Bishops Now they denying thus to be subject to Rome makes others suppose they had their consecration from some Greek Bishops of the East because they stood for the celebration of Easter with the Greek Church which yet was a schisme from the Councill of Nice who decreed it to be kept contrary to the Eastern custome and agreeable with the Church of Rome yet this sheweth that Brittish Bishops had no dependance on the Roman Bishop no more then they of the East who were consecrated without the Bishop of Rome's authority according to the Canons of the Councill of Nice Theodor. in lib. 5. cap. 9. that three of the Bishops of the same Province might consecrate another Bishop as occasion offered it selfe No doubt but Episcopacy was setled in England by the first Christians that came thither as Joseph and Simon Zelotes who having converted King Lucius and many of his people Clem. Epist 1. ad Jacobum fratrem Domini that King took away the Druids and Flamins and heathen Temples and divided them into Bishopricks which was an apostolicall constitution and as Vicar of Christ in his Kingly Office did settle fit men to supply those places and to be in authority over others upon which ground I suppose other succeeding Kings followed him as Ethelwald made wilfrid Bishop of South Saxons Malm. de Gest Pont. Aug. p. 257. and King Alfrid made Oenewolphus Bishop of Winchester Edward the Confessor made Robert a Monk Bishop of London and afterward Archbishop of Canterbury And as the Saxon Kings so did the Norman Kings the like For William the Conquerour chose Lanfrank to be Archbishop and King Rufus chose Anselm to be Archbishop of Canterbury And the Popes laied no claim to the English Churches patronage till the reign of Henry the first And we find anciently in the Greek and Latine Churches the Emperor did elect and erect Bishops and that by the desire of Synods as Valentinian the Emperour was so sollicited by the Synod of Millane So the Emperor Theodosius commanded the Bishops to set up Proclus for Bishop to succeed Maximian Theod. l. 4. c. 6. Soe l. 7. c. 90. Greg Ep. lib. 1. cap. 5. So Gregory the first was appointed by the Emperour Mauritius to succeed Pelagius Bishop of Rome whom the Pontificall it selfe in the life of Pelagius 580 years after Christ admireth as a new and strange accident that he was chosen Bishop without the Emperours consent though the reason was because the Longobards then besieged Rome so straitly that none could passe to the Emperour for his consent And this continued and upon some failings by occasions Dist 63. S. Adrianus was renued to the Emperor as by Pope Adrian to Charlemain and by Leo the eighth after Adrian 130 years in a Synod to Otho that he and his successors should appoint the Bishop of Rome by Ring and Staffe which continued in the Emperours 300 years after and was restored to Henry the fift anno 1111. by Pope Paschalis the second and was never taken from them but by treachery And the same course the Kings of France and England have alwaies used Greg. Turonens bist 10. c. 31. The Statutes of England make it plaine saying that the Church of England is founded in the state of Prelacy within the Realm by the King and Peers thereof 35. Edw. 1. Stat. of Carlile and denieth all the incrochments of the Bishop of Rome which is declared farther in the Statute of provisors and in the reign of Richard the second 16. Ric. 2. c. 5. But this was but only their election and appointment to the place by the Prince their consecration was done by the Clergy namely by the Metropolitan some of his comprovincials according to the Canon of the Nicen Synod Nic Syn. 2. Ca. 3 But how the three Archbishops and the twenty eight Bishops in the time of King Lucius Or appointed to that dignity by the King being Presbyters before for a Bishop is but a Presbyter exalted about two hundred years before that Councill were consecrated is somewhat questionable except done by some of the Eastern Patriarchs or Bishops whose opinion about the celebration of Easter the Brittish Bishops held a long time according to the old rule Obedience followeth ordination Mathe. Why are some men such enemies to Bishops Phila. By envy of their dignity and place as I have said before which makes men swell as the toad in the Fable to be as big as the ox Others out of selfe love and conceit that they like Absolom could do much better if they had their places Others out of a desire of parity And some out of covetousnesse like Judas to put Christ and the Churches portion into their purse and so raise themselves because they cannot be raised and speak evill of others because no body can justly speak well of them For these reasons many have troubled the Church and turned Schismaticks and Hereticks As Thebulis Eus hist l. 4. c. 21. because he could not be a Bishop corrupted the Church with grosse opinions from whence sprung many sects and wretched Hereticks So Arrius because one Alexander had the dignity which he desired Theod. l. 1. c. 2. he broached that damnable heresie that Christ was not of the same substance with the Father So Donatus because he could not be Bishop of Carthage before Cecilianus he pretended that none were of the true Church but himselfe and his followers Aug. de heres c. 22. So Aerius that giddy brain'd heretick said there was no difference between a Presbyter and a Bishop with whom the Acephali may be sharers though sprung from one Severus Antiochenus men without an head or without wit so called because they would not live under an head Governor or Bishop Niceph. lib. 18. cap. 45. Eccl. hist except necessity drew them to it and thought they might add their fancies to the Creed it selfe as some in our time that think it lawfull enough to patch up a new Religion with old heresies or new inventions But though these men are against Bishops yet I could wish they were not against Episcopacy lest they fall into the very quintessence of schisme for Bishops may be regulated yet not Episcopacy be extirped since it hath been alwaies held and found to be the bond of Church-union and
his Church and shall in the end of the world be given up to God the Father again 1 Cor. 15.25 28. in the mean time he is by dispensation the head and sole monarch of the Church But he hath neverthelesse a government ministeriall not only invisible by his spirit and Angels John 16.7 Heb. 1.14 but a visible ministration by the word and wholesome discipline to the exercise whereof some men are by his appointment delegated for the helping our infirmities and speaking to us in Christs absence 2 Cor. 6.1 And this hath alwaies been done by Bishops and Presbyters Acts 20.28 who by the Holy Ghost were made overseers of the flock not secular men though Princes had ever this externall government in the dispensation of spirituall things committed to them for then how was the Church ruled for 300 years after Christ till the daies of Constantine yet the secular power is to govern men as men but the ministers only governs them as Christians and therefore in this case Princes themselves have not refused subjection to this ministeriall government of Christ as the Emperour Theodosius to St Ambrose Bishop of Millane Theod. lib. 5. cap. 17. Nor have any dared to usurp their office without some exemplary punishment as Uzzah and Uzziah till these latter times 2 Sam. 6.7 wherein any tradesman dare take upon him the office of a minister and a seutor to be a soule member Beside if this ministeriall government were committed to secular powers then they might give the Sacrament and a woman if a Prince might preach too notwithstanding St Paul 1 Cor. 14.34 But we find Jehosaphat to distinguish the civill power 2 Chro. 19.5.8 from the ecclesiastick ministry in the Old Testament and surely the Church of the New Testament was not left to confusion in government 1 Cor. 14.40 Therefore the ancient Fathers have reproved even Emperors Amb. Ep 33. de Valentin Imper. Athanas Ep. ad agintes vitam solit when they took upon them to meddle with things divine which was no part of their administration for though God had committed to them the Empire yet to the minister the sacred things the mysteries whereof they are to teach not to be taught yet religious Magistrats are to rule over ministers by their civill power to which ministers are to subject themselves yea they may and ought to correct negligence in the practise of religion and vice which is a scandall to religion yea and heresies blasphemies and sacriledge proved to be so by Ecclesiasticall judgement but not to define points of faith nor to exercise ministeriall offices It is true that Moses Eli and Samuel and others did exercise both offices many times yet we cannot argue from an extraordinary action in a state not fully setled that it should be so in a setled Church and State for by the same reason a Priest may act the office of a Prince or a Judge at any time as did Moses Eli and Samuel But we find when the Priesthood was setled that Moses then medled not with Aarons businesse and Eli and Samuel were Judges by an extraordinary call in a corrupted State but ordinarily it was otherwise So in the New Testaments Church holy things were alwaies ordinarily and ordinately administred by Bishops and Presbyters Eph. 4.11 12. to whom those of the Church were to submit themselves Heb. 13.17 Nor was the Church governed by any one man but by them Acts 15.6 no not by Peter alone though he was in that Councill and the ancient Fathers decline that sole definitive judicature Cypr. lib. 31 Epi. 19. ad Cletum Amb. in 1 Tim. 1. Hier. in Epi. 1. ad Tur. which the Pope hath challenged to himselfe St Cyprian durst not do so and St Ambrose saith that first the Synagoue and afterward the Elders of the Church was to be consulted and without them nothing was to be done and St Jerom saith that till by the instinct of the devill contentions arose in the Church it was governed by the counsell of ministers Nor was the government of it democraticall or in the power of the people for then they must have this power from themselves or from God it cannot be from themselves for this power is not by right of nature or Nations but is supernaturall and of divine right nor have they it from God for no Scripture sets it forth but therein they are called the flock which are to be fed not to govern or chuse their Shepherds Yet it is true they were present at the ordination of Matthias Acts 1. and the seven Deacons Acts 6. but they only named or designed them but ordained them not however such a particular fact at first proveth not that it must be so alwaies no more then because the first Kings were chosen by the people therefore they must be so alwaies So that it seems to me that the Church militant is neither democraticall as governed by the people nor monarchicall by any one man but aristocraticall that is governed by some chiefe heads of the ministry Therefore the Pope can derive no such power from Peter as to be the head of the Church for Peter was never so constituted by Christ nor was ever so acknowledged by the rest of the Apostles for then they would never have contended who should be chiefe as they did Luke 22.24 Christ is only the head who is the head stone and the foundation of it Mat. 16.18 19 for though our Saviour said to Peter thou art Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church yet he called him only Peter Aug. retract lib. 1. cap. 22. Cypr. lib. de unit eccles not Petra the rock for that was Christ for all the Apostles were endued with the same power which Peter had John 20.22 when Christ said to them receive the Holy Ghost whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted Nor can the Pope challenge succession from Peter who was Bishop of Antioch not of Rome as some write But the Scripture saith that the Jewes were especially Peters charge Gal. 2.7 who were all banished from Rome by Claudius Acts 18.2 and so Peter had but little to do there or if he were Bishop there yet the Pope cannot be his successor properly Amb. de incarn cap. 5. if he succeed him not in faith and doctrine for faith is the Churches foundation much lesse can he pretend to be Christs Vicar any more then any other Bishop who may be said to be vice Christi in the stead of Christ to wooe men to be reconciled to God Conc. Nic. can 6. Cypr. Ep. ad Papas 41.58 when he was at the best he was allowed to be but one of the Patriarchs nor called by the ancient Fathers but only brother colleague or fellow Bishop But had they taken him for Christs Vicar or the head of the Church they would have given him other titles than they did Pius 2. Ep. 301. as might become one of so high degree
of Princes want discipline yet if the Church be purely visible it hath ordinarily these three notes which indeed freeth it from maintaining error heresie and schisme though all three may possibly be in it 1 Cor. 1.11 and cap. 3.3 1 Cor. 11.19 provided alwaies that the heresie thrust it not into infidelity or cause it not to deprave the doctrines of faith as the Church of Rome hath and so is become adulterous and hereticall So it may be in some things schismaticall so far as to hurt charity not verity by taking occasion unjustly as the Separatists to depart from the Church but not giving occasion to the Church to depart from them as the Papists have done to us like the old Pharisees who gave just occasion to Christ and his Apostles to separate themselves from their traditions Therefore true doctrine is the chiefe note of a true visible Church whereby people are taught as Christs sheep to hear his voice John 10.27 and to continue in his and his Apostles doctrine Acts 2.42 which is the foundation of the Church Eph. 2.20 And for the Sacraments they are commanded by Christ himselfe Mat. 28.19 and Luke 22.19 So also is the administration of discipline set down by our Saviour Mat. 18.17 and used by St Paul 1 Cor. 5.5 upon the incestuous person So that the right use of these must needs be a note of a true visible Church Let the Papists brag of their tearm Catholike I am sure it no way agreeth to them neither in respect of the extension of their Churches bounds which is not universall nor yet in regard of their doctrines which are not according to the Catholike truths confessed by the primitive or orthodox Churches of old and therefore their word Catholike is no note for a true visible Church is not to be judged by a name but by the thing it ought to hold otherwise the Pope like Simon Magus might be thought the great power of God Acts 8.10 Nor doth their boasted antiquity make their Church the more true for many things were said of old which were not intended at the first as they were afterward used Mat. 5. It is not antiquity but his truth that is the ancient of daies that is the note of the Church Aug. Q. 14. vet No. Testam The devill is older then the Church and Idolatry and Paganisme is very ancient and the Jews and the Samaritans pleaded antiquity and held the Gospell of Christ but a novelty yet their Church was not the true Beside if antiquity be a note then the Church Christian and Jerusalem and that of Antioch where Peter taught and sate as superintendent for seven years must be accounted the true Church and not Rome which was planted since but the authority of religion must not be measured by time Cypr. lib. 2. cont gent. Nor doth duration prove it the better for it is neither a proper or inseparable note as appeareth Psal 47.7 8. Rev. 12. And truly the Church of Rome hath not had a continued duration for Bellarmin saith that a Church cannot subsist without a Bishop and the seat of Rome hath been often vacant by wars and schisms among the Popes themselves as hath been formerly shewed you Nor doth their amplitude and multitudes make any thing in this case for them for Satans Kingdome is larger then Christs and his numbers more then Christs little flock who are often like Noahs family in the Ark they have a many of the vulgar Chrysost ad pop Antioch the Church hath a few faithfull one precious stone is worth many toies Nor will succession of Bishops help them to a note for who succeeded Melchisedeck but Christ many hundred of yeers falling between Vid. Athan. laudem in orat Nazian and the place changed also for the Church is not bound to place or persons of men Nor can ordination prove a note since hereticks hath it as well as the true Church neither can we find their ordination alwaies good if Pope Jone was ordained or she ordained any And Liberius the Pope being an Arrian ordained Arrians also Nor doth unity passe for a note except in the faith under one mysticall head Jesus Christ for satan is not divided against satan and very theeves are united together Nor can their miracles prove their Church true because they are false and Antichristian 2 Thes 2.9 and are invented to maintain false doctrines Beside if they were true they were not alwaies a note of a true Church for not only heathen gods have done strange things to perswade their divinity Bel. lib. de notis Eccl. cap. 14. Socrat. hist lib. 7. c. 17. but even heathen men as Vespasian made a blind man see and a lame man walk Mathe. What Church do you hold hath these three notes Phila. The true Christian Protestant Church especially as it was constituted by the first reforming Princes in England for the doctrine thereof is built upon the holy scripture They administer Sacraments in their primitive purity and hold only two generally necessary to salvation i. Baptisme and the Lords Supper rejecting all the spurious Sacraments of the Church of Rome As confirmation which the Church of England did use in a laudable manner and might do much good by using it as it was but not as a Sacrrment for it kept young people in a care to render an account of their faith and Ministers and Parents to teach them Catechisme So pennance was injoined notorious offenders for satisfaction of the Church and to reduce them better manners and to beget fear and shame in others but never held it a Sacrament no more then it did matrimony or ordination As for the fift spurious Sacrament of Rome extreme unction they never used it because not instituted of Christ as a Sacrament It is true Mark 6.13 the Disciples anointed many that were sick with oile and they were healed and St James in cap. 5.14 adviseth them to use oile with praier for the sick but it was no consecrated oile as the papists use Bellar. lib. 1. de extrem unct cap. 3. nor applied for remission of sins to seven parts of their body But you will say we in England at this time want right discipline I answer It is true yet the Church doth maintain it in her doctrines and constitutions but she cannot use it in those times when the shepherd is smitten and the sheep are scattered or else combined against him that they may live at their own liberty without correction by the rod of discipline yea libertinisme is grown to such a height that the disciplinarians themselves who envied the Bishops authority dare not exercise the Presbyterian virge lest they also follow the Bishops dejection Mathe. Might not a Nationall Councill set all right Phila. No doubt it might with Gods blessing so that it were called and impowred by authority and consisted of men orthodoxall and of just minds and of moderate temper who would make Gods
34 How the Scripturesets out God to us p. 35 Of Gods attributes p. 36 How God is to be considered of before the Creation p. 37 Of Angels their degrees p. 38 46 Their fall and sin p. 47 Of Gods operations in himselfe and to us-ward p. 39 Of predestination p. 40 Of Gods externall works p. 45 The world not eternall nor made by it selfe p. 45 46 The place of evill Angels p. 49 What use of the stars p. 53 Why Christians retain the names of Planets on their week daies as did the heathen p. 54 Of the Creation of man p. 55 Of the souls immortality p. 59 Of mans fall p. 61 How the hope of felicity was given and continued to man p. 63 Of the types of Christ p. 64 Of their analogy with the New Testament p. 65 Of the promises and prophecies of Christs Nativity Death Resurrection and Ascension p. 84 Of the departure of the Scepter from Judah p. 85 The necessity of Christs birth by a Virgin p. 86 Of the spirituall relations that Christs Birth Death Resurrection and Ascension hath to us p. 89 How Christs conception is applied to the Holy Ghost ibid. The effects of that conception upon us p. 90 Of the blessed Virgins conception of Christ p. 92 The spirituall effects of Christs birth upon us p. 95 No sin cleaving to Christs conception p. 93 How Christ suffered being God and man p. 96 How could he being just be put justly to death for the unjust p. 98 Of Christs carriage before Pilate and Herod p. 101 The meaning and end of his sufferings p. 103 The testimony of his Godhead in his sufferings p. 106 The necessity of his death p. 107 Whether Christ died in his nature or his person ibid. How Christ was slain from the beginning of the world and yet toward the end p. 108 The mystery of his bones not broken and his side pierced p. 108 Of his burial p. 109 Of his descending into hell p. 111 The honor he got by his resurrection p. 112 Of reverence due to his name p. 113 The benefits ue have by his resurrection p. 114 By his ascension p. 115 By his session in heaven ibid. And by his comming to judgement p. 116 The necessity of the last judgement and of that day p. 117 Of the signs of it p. 118 Of the trial of men then p. 119 The second part beginning next to 119. but figured by 115. Why the Jewes beleeved not in Christ p. 115 Their punishment p. 116 The transferring of the Gospell to the Gentiles p. 117 Association of Christians p. 119 Their first meeting places of Christians for worship p. 120 Their first Churches p. 121 Their persecutions by the Jewes and some others p. 123 Their persecutions by some Emperors p. 123 Persecutions by Hereticks and some others p. 131 Persecution from the Western Church p. 133 Of the growth of Popedome ibid. Popish succession p. 134 How came in the Protestant Religion p. 145 Of heresie and Hereticks before Corstantine p. 128 Persecutions by Arrians p. 131 And by Eutychians p. 132 A view of ancient heresies and modern p. 146 By whom Protestant doctrines were held before Luther p. 148 How the Protestant Religion came into England p. 156 How the Pope got authority in England p. 157 How Christian Religion was first corrupted in England p. 159 How reformation in Religion went on after H. 8 p. 160 How it thrived in England and in forreign parts p. 161 How the English Church was troubled after reformation p. 169 Of the old and new Anabap. p. 171 Baptisme of Infants p. 178 Rebaptization p. 180 Of Litourgie p. 181 Calvins Church government p. 183 Parity of Clergy and Laity p. 185 Of oaths ibid. Sects troubling the Protestant Church p. 187 Gods punishments on divers Sectaries p. 207 Of Bishops and Presbyters p. 208 Forms of governing in all ages by superiours p. 212 Bishops accounted superiour and Presbyters second p. 221 Of election of Pastours p. 225 Government of Churches by Bishops p. 228 How Bishops derived from Rome or otherwise p. 229 Why some are enemies to Bishops p. 230 Of Litourgies and Ceremonies p. 231 Of requisites in a setled Church p. 239 Of the Holy Ghost and his operations on Church people p. 240 Of the sin against the Holy Ghost p. 242 Of the Church p. 244 Of Abrahams faith p. 250 The marks of a true Christian p. 252 Advancement of sanctification p. 256 Of repentance p. 257 Of the Catholike Church p. 261 Of the Church militant p. 264 Of the Churches head p. 265 Of Antichrist p. 267 Why St Paul so covertly describeth the Antichrist p. 272 Whether hereticks and schismaticks be of the body of the Church militant p. 273 Of the Churches visibility p. 275 Of the notes of a true visible Church p. 276 What Church hath those notes p. 278 The good of a nationall Councill p. 279 Of the Communion of Saints ibid. The reason of two Sacraments p. 280 That parents may with confidence bring children to baptisme p. 280 That men may receive the Lords Supper with a mixed assembly p. 281 Of a fit Communicant p. 282 How Christ is to be remembred in the Sacrament p. 285 What congregation is best to associate ones selfe withall and what Church is the safest p. 286 Of the holiness of the Church or place of Gods worship p. 287 Of the Lords day p. 288 FINIS
I pray what be your Levellers Phila. They seem to me to be like those Hereticks of old In the third century of years after Christ called Apostolici in that affected wilfull povertie These seem to do so too by their digging in commons and receiving mens charitie But their new name intimates as if they would levell mens estates to make an equality because people did in the Apostles daies for the better propagation of the Gospell and sustentation of the Gospell-professors bring their wealth and made distribution to every ones need They seem now poor enough but what they may do when they are a fit number I know not but I am sure the way they take is not warrantable nor savours of any true knowledge of Gods providence or of mans prudence Mathe. Have all these wicked Hereticks escaped without any signe of Gods displeasure shewed upon them Phila. No for as he hath suffered many of them to fall into foule sins so upon them have fallen fearfull punishments As for foule sins many of them are caught in the birdlime of lust Simon Magus had one Helena Apelles Philumena Montanus had Maximilla Donatus had Lucilia Elpidius had Agape Priscilianus had Galla the Nicolaitans had wives in common The Popes have been as bad Sergius had Marozia Gregory the seventh had Matildis Alexander the sixt had Lucretia Leo the tenth had Magdalena Paul the third had Constantia and Pope Joan it seems had a Paramour The Anabaptists most unclean because they maintain unlawfull divorces and Polygamie and adulterie under a colour of spirituall marriage by which they are become all one body But I will say no more there is enough discovery made of them in divers books But Gods judgements have followed Hereticks Simon Magus would needs flie and was killed by a fall Hayn compend Eccles hist l. 1. Cerinthus with the fall of an house at a bath Elymas the Sorcerer was strook blind Priscilla and Maximilla hanged themselves Manes was flead alive Arrius voided his guts at a privie Nestorius his tongue rotted off And our late Sectaries have not all escaped for as these beyond the seas came to lamentable ends by wars and other executions of justice Sleid. comment lib. 10. as you may read in Sleidan's Comment in Pontanus and others so even these among us have been marked out by Gods judgements Puntan Cat. Heret Gastius de Anab. exorb H●res Chron. p. 456. 379. 679. 765. 766. For as Servetus was condemned at Geneva and Phiser suffered at Muthus Munerus rackt and headed by the Duke of Saxony John of Leiden and Chipperdolling executed and their bodies hung up in iron cages so you may read in our Chronicles of some burned others hanged of the Brownists for seditious books as Barrow Greenwood Studley and Billet and Penry the author of Mart. Marp Bul. adv Anab. Disco of Brow Brow Donat. proph schisme You may read more of them then I am willing to write in many good authors cited in the margent Some women Antinomians have brought forth fearfull monsters even thirty at one birth and another woman of one female with horns and clawes See Mr Wels his book of Antinomians And for the Antisabbatarians one makes mention of some that laboring on the Lords day have had their corn and houses burnt and of one great man that used to hunt upon that day had his Lady delivered of a child that had an head like an hound which might teach people to take heed that their rest upon the Lords day be not vain and fruitlesse but sequestring themselves from worldly businesse they do on that day give themselves to holy exercises Mathe. But I find some have troubled the Church about ceremonies and forms of government as much as these by their erroneous opinions as those which some call Prelaticall and others called Presbyterians Phil. I cannot deny but that the Prelaticall or Canonicall Ministers have been of late about 1635. more strict than formerly about Church-order and Ceremonies And the Presbyterian hath been more extream then needed against the Prelatical ministrie and Episcopall government since both of them agree in divine truths God hath given them both a right to his house but they quarrell who should have the upper or who the lower rooms and both contend which of them should keep the keies The Lord make them of one heart that the people may be freed of those distractions in which they are bred by their disagreements It were happy if all would take the counsell of Irenaeus to Victor Bishop of Rome who did rashly excommunicate the Eastern Churches for dissenting from his judgement in fasting and celebrating of Easter For he told him they did all agree in one faith and therefore it was more fit for him to study peace unitie and love This controversie was afterward setled by the generall Councill of Nice that Easter being universally kept should also be uniformly kept by all Churches not on the fourteenth of Nisan but on the Lords day So it had been more happy for the Church if these men had suppressed passion and put on patience till the State had called a nationall Councill to have determined those controversies lately risen Mathe. I pray what was the main quarrell about Phila. About superintendency Liturgie and ceremonie By superintendency I mean Episcopacy which word in English signifies the office of Bishops which word Bishop was made so odious by the envious learned to the ignorant Lay-people about 1641. that a Bishop was thought as bad as the Pope either for Idolatry or superstition and so were decried under the colour of a Reformation by the peoples exclamations and their government deposed before any other was setled which hath bred divisions and libertinisme ever since And I conceive if envy had not overswaied equitie faults might have been corrected and yet the dignitie of the office have been preserved which hath been venerable in all antiquitie Mathe. But we find them of no more authority nor antiquity then Presbyters Phila. I suppose you mean not Lay Elders for they were not used till of late years not so much as in Ecclesiasticall censures much lesse in ordination which Calvin himselfe never allowed And if you mean Priestly Elders it will not be found that ordination was committed to them alone without a Bishop for that place 1 Tim. 4.14 which saith that Timothy had the hands of the Presbyterie laied upon him Sedulius Hieron surely that was not ordination * Primasius ad 1 Tim. cap. 4. Oecumen in cap. 9. in 1 Tim. cap. 4. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 of him to be a Presbyter but of the Prelacie to make him a Bishop or else the laying on of St Paul hands was but imposition not ordination for he was not surely ordained twice 2 Tim. 1.6 or else both was but imposition of hands by blessing him Indeed the words in Greek are both the same but ordination is expressed by another word Acts 14.23