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A51624 A Review of Mr. M.H.'s new notion of schism, and the vindication of it Murrey, Robert, fl. 1692-1715. 1692 (1692) Wing M3105; ESTC R5709 75,948 74

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this_o case_n the_o line_n will_v be_v right_a enough_o and_o all_o that_o can_v be_v say_v be_v that_o there_o be_v one_o usurper_n in_o the_o line_n of_o jurisdiction_n who_o never_o be_v within_o the_o line_n of_o order_n and_o consequent_o can_v make_v no_o intercision_n in_o it_o and_o perhaps_o to_o prevent_v any_o irregularity_n in_o the_o succession_n of_o that_o order_n the_o apostle_n give_v the_o example_n and_o the_o church_n enjoin_v that_o a_o bishop_n shall_v be_v ordain_v by_o three_o at_o least_o etc._n ap●…st_n c._n 1._o con._n nican_n c._n 4._o con._n are●…_n c._n 21._o con._n laodic_n c._n 12._o con._n paris_n 1._o c._n 6_o etc._n etc._n and_o likewise_o that_o he_o shall_v be_v constitute_v with_o the_o approbation_n of_o his_o metropolitan_a and_o comprovincials_a which_o practice_n be_v certain_o a_o very_a great_a security_n to_o the_o right_a succession_n it_o be_v not_o very_o likely_a that_o all_o the_o bishop_n of_o a_o province_n shall_v be_v so_o extreme_o careless_a to_o suffer_v a_o irregular_a ordination_n and_o the_o person_n concern_v to_o consecrate_v all_o void_a of_o that_o character_n which_o they_o pretend_v to_o bestow_v after_o all_o that_o ever_o any_o abbot_n that_o be_v no_o bishop_n do_v ordain_v bishop_n i_o do_v utter_o deny_v adamnanu●…_n in_o his_o life_n of_o columba_n primor●…_n adamn_v vit._n col._n usher_n primor●…_n make_v mention_n of_o a_o bishop_n in_o the_o abbey_n of_o hylas_n and_o that_o there_o be_v always_o one_o reside_v there_o be_v confirm_v by_o bishop_n usher_n out_o of_o the_o vlsle●…_n annal_n and_o perhaps_o the_o bishop_n of_o d●…nkeld_n as_o the_o learned_a bishop_n of_o st._n asaph_n conjecture_n join_v in_o the_o consecration_n of_o bishop_n aldan_n finan_n 102._o bp._n of_o st._n asaph_n of_o ●…h_n gou._n p._n 102._o and_o colman_n have_v the_o like_a ordination_n but_o tuda_n the_o next_o in_o succession_n be_v ordain_v a_o bishop_n among_o the_o south_n scot_n in_o ireland_n so_o that_o shall_v we_o allow_v his_o instance_n true_a viz._n that_o a●…dan_n finan_n and_o colman_n be_v ordain_v by_o the_o abbot_n yet_o that_o succession_n at_o lindisfarn_n in_o all_o likelihood_n fail_v in_o colman_n and_o the_o line_n of_o order_n be_v right_a in_o tuda_n and_o consequent_o his_o marginal_a instance_n be_v nothing_o to_o the_o purpose_n a_o instance_n that_o have_v be_v frequent_o urge_v by_o the_o nonconformist_n against_o episcopacy_n and_o as_o often_o confute_v from_o the_o most_o authentic_a history_n of_o those_o time_n by_o divers_a learned_a man_n 4_o vind._n c._n e._n cap._n 9_o vind._n ignat._n par_fw-fr 1._o c._n 10._o orig._n brit._n ch._n gou._n c._n 5._o barbos_n past_a p._n 2._o all._n 3._o num._n 3.4_o etc._n etc._n maur._n de_fw-fr alz._n de_fw-fr prac._n episc_n dig._n p._n 2._o c._n 5._o num._n 6_o 7_o 8_o 9_o aquin._n sup._n q._n 38._o be_v 1._o res_fw-la ad_fw-la ter_z vid._n victor_n in_o sum._n num._n 216._o sect._n de_fw-fr sac._n ord._n non_fw-la facile_fw-la crede●…em_fw-la victor_n in_o sum_n num._n 237._o quem_fw-la seq_fw-la vivald_v in_o candle_n aureo_fw-la p._n 1._o tit_n de_fw-fr sacram._n ordin_n num._n 17._o in_o fine_a asserenti_fw-la se_fw-la vidisse_fw-la quandam_fw-la bullam_fw-la papae_fw-la concedentem_fw-la facultatem_fw-la sacerdoti_fw-la conferendi_fw-la diac._n &_o sub._n diac._n barbos_n past_a p._n 2._o al._n 3._o n._n 4._o ap._n c._n 67._o nicaen_fw-la c._n 19_o con._n c._n p._n c._n 4_o bishop_n bramh●…ll_v bishop_n pearson_n the_o present_a bishop_n of_o worcester_n and_o st._n asaph_n and_o mr._n dodwell_n have_v so_o full_o answer_v this_o business_n of_o hylas_n that_o a_o man_n will_v wonder_v at_o the_o confidence_n of_o this_o gent._n that_o he_o shall_v still_o hope_v to_o impose_v the_o same_o mistake_v upon_o the_o world_n nor_o do_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n allow_v that_o a_o abbot_n who_o be_v no_o bishop_n shall_v consecrate_v a_o bishop_n they_o be_v so_o far_o from_o allow_v it_o that_o 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of_o constantinople_n concern_v the_o ordination_n make_v by_o maximus_n cymicus_n that_o they_o be_v all_o null_a they_o neither_o allow_v he_o to_o be_v a_o bishop_n not_o those_o ordain_v by_o he_o to_o enjoy_v any_o function_n among_o the_o clergy_n and_o in_o the_o roman_a church_n cxix_o b●●n_n t●m_fw-la 9_o p._n 2●4_n p●●tin_n d●_n v●_n pont._n p._n 22.4_o contra_fw-la ●●ephanum_fw-la iii_o al●s_n iv_o mabill_n in_o ordi●_n rom._n com._n p._n cxix_o particular_o those_o ordain_v by_o constantine_n the_o lay-invade_a of_o the_o papal_a chair_n be_v by_o a_o council_n under_o stephen_n the_o three_o or_o four_o to_o return_v to_o their_o former_a order_n unless_o they_o be_v in_o great_a esteem_n with_o the_o people_n and_o in_o that_o case_n they_o be_v to_o be_v re-ordained_a by_o the_o church_n and_o for_o fear_n of_o lay_v the_o foundation_n of_o a_o future_a schism_n it_o be_v further_o decree_v that_o none_o of_o they_o shall_v be_v promote_v to_o any_o high_a degree_n by_o these_o and_o many_o other_o instance_n it_o be_v plain_a what_o care_n the_o church_n have_v take_v to_o re-ordain_a or_o utter_o silence_v those_o who_o order_n they_o think_v void_a and_o lest_o any_o such_o person_n shall_v creep_v into_o strange_a place_n and_o there_o invade_v that_o office_n to_o which_o they_o have_v no_o right_n no_o man_n either_o of_o the_o clergy_n or_o laity_n 51._o ap._n 〈◊〉_d 12._o con_v 〈◊〉_d 30_o con_v 〈◊〉_d c._n 33._o 〈…〉_o c._o 〈◊〉_d c._n 7._o con_v 〈◊〉_d c._n 12._o con_v elizbe●●_n c._n 51._o be_v to_o hold_v communion_n with_o they_o under_o pain_n of_o incur_v the_o ecclesiastical_a censure_n no_o clergy_n man_n be_v to_o go_v abroad_o without_o commendatory_a letter_n no_o bishop_n to_o be_v ordain_v without_o the_o knowledge_n and_o consent_n of_o his_o metropolitan_a and_o the_o neighbour_a bishop_n no_o heretic_n to_o be_v admit_v into_o order_n and_o if_o ordain_v to_o be_v depose_v no_o man_n to_o ordain_v in_o another_o province_n by_o which_o and_o several_a other_o canon_n it_o become_v extreme_o difficult_a for_o any_o such_o heretic_n or_o schismatic_n who_o order_n they_o think_v void_a to_o make_v any_o considerable_a intercision_n in_o the_o line_n of_o succession_n but_o i_o can_v see_v no_o reason_n why_o the_o line_n of_o ordination_n may_v not_o pass_v through_o a_o schismatical_a church_n for_o although_o by_o schism_n people_n be_v out_o of_o the_o church_n and_o while_o they_o continue_v so_o not_o enjoy_v the_o benefit_n either_o of_o ordination_n or_o sacrament_n yet_o to_o say_v that_o ●●●h_n be_v absolute_o destroy_v and_o nullify_v so_o that_o a_o ●●●●…matick_a l●●●_n the_o character_n and_o can_v neither_o be_v a_o christian_a 〈…〉_o i._n e._n not_o the_o subject_a of_o apostolical_a power_n till_o he_o be_v 〈◊〉_d ●●●_o baptize_v and_o ordain_v be_v a_o assertion_n beyond_o all_o that_o i_o c●●●…d_v ever_o yet_o meet_v with_o the_o
meleti●ns_n be_v schismatic_n and_o 〈◊〉_d th●se_a 〈◊〉_d by_o meletius_n be_v receive_v into_o place_n where_o oth●●…_n 〈…〉_o though_o the_o paulianist_n and_o 〈◊〉_d be_v to_o be_v rebaptised_a 〈◊〉_d ordain_v by_o the_o 19_o canon_n of_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a 〈…〉_o those_o ordain_o by_o the_o nova●●●…ns_n 8._o nova●●●…ns_n 〈…〉_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d ibid._n c._n 8._o when_o reconcile_v to_o the_o church_n be_v to_o continue_v in_o the_o same_o station_n which_o they_o enjoy_v before_o except_a catholic_n be_v in_o possession_n by_o the_o 8_o ca●●…_n of_o the_o very_a same_o council_n from_o which_o instance_n it_o be_v plain_a t●●●…_n according_a 〈◊〉_d the_o sense_n of_o those_o father_n though_o schismatical_a 〈…〉_o ●●●…ieties_n be_v out_o of_o the_o church_n yet_o it_o do_v not_o wh●●…y_a d●u●st_n they_o 〈◊〉_d their_o character_n so_o as_o to_o make_v they_o no_o long_o the_o 〈◊〉_d of_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d call_v power_n as_o this_o vindicator_n will_v insinuate_v nay_o the_o severe_a enemy_n to_o heretical_a ordination●_n never_n go_v so_o far_o as_o our_o a●●●or_n as_o appear_v from_o what_o they_o declare_v in_o a_o ●●●●●…lel_a case_n viz._n that_o of_o baptism_n st._n cyprian_n himself_o own_v the_o practice_n in_o his_o day_n to_o admit_v reconcile_v heretic_n carth._n vid._n cypr._n ad_fw-la quinte●…_n steph._n ap_fw-mi cyp._n ad_fw-la pomp._n cp_n 74._o crescent_n ap_fw-mi conc._n carthag_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d ap_fw-mi eus_n h._n e._n l._n 7._o c._n 7._o ec._n he_o l._n 1._o c._n 9_o apos_n c._n 67._o con._n nic._n can._n 19_o etc._n etc._n ap._n cypr._n ed._n ox._n ep._n lxxv_o novatus_n à_fw-fr th●…umagade_n ap_fw-mi con._n carth._n as_o penitent_n only_a with_o imposition_n of_o hand_n if_o at_o first_o they_o be_v baptise_a by_o the_o orthodox_n clergy_n and_o so_o heraclas_n of_o alexandria_n take_v care_n that_o such_o person_n shall_v renounce_v their_o heresy_n not_o at_o all_o require_v they_o to_o be_v rebaptise_v and_o in_o like_a manner_n miletius_n retain_v his_o character_n tho_o debar_v the_o exercise_n of_o his_o function_n by_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o nicene_n council_n as_o appear_v by_o their_o synodical_a epistle_n in_o socrates_n so_o that_o here_o the_o case_n of_o baptism_n and_o ordination_n run_v parallel_v neither_o be_v make_v void_a by_o mere_a heresy_n or_o schism_n and_o according_o we_o find_v they_o put_v together_o in_o several_a ancient_a canon_n and_o in_o firmilianus_n epistle_n to_o st._n cyprian_n etc._n etc._n it_o be_v true_a the_o case_n be_v otherwise_o with_o those_o baptise_a or_o ordain_v by_o heretic_n or_o schismatic_n they_o be_v to_o be_v reordain_v and_o rebaptised_a according_a to_o the_o sentiment_n of_o those_o african_a father_n how_o consistent_o with_o their_o own_o practice_n let_v other_o judge_n for_o if_o heretic_n or_o schismatic_n do_v retain_v their_o character_n while_o they_o be_v out_o of_o the_o church_n as_o those_o father_n seem_v to_o allow_v i_o can_v see_v no_o reason_n why_o it_o shall_v be_v total_o out_o of_o their_o power_n to_o confer_v the_o like_a upon_o other_o person_n for_o if_o it_o be_v say_v that_o they_o lose_v their_o character_n by_o depart_v from_o the_o church_n how_o they_o can_v obtain_v it_o again_o without_o a_o new_a ordination_n be_v pass_v my_o understanding_n and_o therefore_o why_o miletius_n himself_o shall_v retain_v his_o character_n sup_v socr._n ubi_fw-la sup_v and_o yet_o those_o ordain_v by_o he_o be_v confirm_v or_o settle_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d if_o by_o those_o word_n be_v real_o mean_v a_o second_o ordination_n i_o must_v learn_v from_o other_o 18._o vid._n iren._n adv_o haer._n l._n 1._o c._n 18._o as_o for_o the_o grosser_n heretic_n that_o live_v before_o the_o time_n of_o st._n cyprian_n and_o who_o several_a manner_n of_o baptise_v be_v so_o monstrous_a and_o wicked_a i_o can_v wonder_v if_o the_o ancient_n think_v fit_a to_o baptise_v they_o over_o again_o their_o former_a baptism_n want_v the_o necessary_a word_n and_o be_v consequent_o void_a in_o the_o very_a performance_n and_o therefore_o when_o tertullian_n and_o other_o father_n reject_v their_o baptism_n i_o be_o of_o opinion_n it_o make_v little_a for_o st._n cyprian_n cause_n so_o that_o notwithstanding_o the_o testimony_n produce_v by_o a_o learned_a author_n 15._o ●…aun_n ep._n 15._o agrippinus_n may_v be_v the_o first_o introducer_n of_o that_o practice_n as_o vincentius_n lirinensis_n testify_v ju●…aian_n vincen._n lirin_fw-mi com._n c._n 9_o p._n 21._o edit_fw-la cantab._n 1687._o ap._n cyp._n ut_fw-la supra_fw-la vid._n &_o cyp._n ipsum_fw-la in_o ep._n ad_fw-la ju●…aian_n and_o this_o i_o be_o the_o rather_o induce_v to_o believe_v be_v cause_n pope_n stephen_n then_o condemn_v it_o as_o a_o novel_a custom_n and_o firmilianus_n and_o other_o african_n seem_v to_o own_o at_o least_o can_v not_o deny_v that_o it_o be_v so_o as_o appear_v by_o the_o answer_n they_o make_v to_o that_o objection_n so_o that_o by_o the_o most_o constant_a usage_n of_o the_o church_n in_o those_o first_o age_n the_o baptism_n of_o heretic_n be_v not_o to_o be_v admit_v in_o gross_a neither_o be_v it_o universal_o to_o be_v reject_v upon_o st._n cyprian_n principle_n there_o be_v a_o difference_n to_o be_v make_v betwixt_o those_o heretic_n who_o do_v not_o real_o baptise_v at_o all_o and_o those_o that_o do_v and_o so_o you_o find_v both_o the_o first_o and_o second_o council_n of_o arles_n admit_v such_o as_o be_v baptise_a in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o father_n son_n and_o holy_a ghost_n 4._o 1._o con._n arcl._n c._n 8._o 2._o con._n arcl._n c._n 16._o 17._o optat._n 1._o 4._o and_o rebaptise_v only_o those_o that_o do_v not_o believe_v in_o the_o trinity_n nor_o consequent_o use_v the_o essential_a form_n and_o so_o optatus_n declare_v quodcunque_fw-la in_o trinitate_fw-la factum_fw-la est_fw-la bene_fw-la factum_fw-la est_fw-la the_o like_a distinction_n i_o reckon_v be_v to_o be_v make_v concern_v ordination_n viz._n those_o who_o derive_v their_o order_n only_o from_o heretic_n and_o consequently_n never_o have_v any_o succession_n from_o the_o church_n be_v just_o to_o be_v repute_v as_o unordain_v but_o those_o ordain_v by_o heretic_n who_o have_v their_o ordination_n original_o from_o the_o church_n and_o do_v not_o omit_v any_o thing_n necessary_a to_o the_o confer_v of_o order_n have_v no_o occasion_n for_o reordination_n and_o to_o let_v pass_v the_o distinction_n betwixt_o the_o novatian_o and_o cataphrygae_n make_v by_o the_o nicene_n father_n optatus_n and_o st._n austin_n have_v both_o of_o they_o settle_v the_o point_n in_o their_o controversy_n with_o the_o donatist_n 1687_o donatist_n vinc._n lirin_fw-mi c._n 11._o p._n 26._o ed._n cant._n 1687_o who_o pretend_v the_o authority_n of_o the_o african_a council_n for_o rebaptise_v the_o catholic_n thus_o 1599_o thus_o in_o hoc_fw-la sacramento_n baptismatis_fw-la celebrando_fw-la tres_fw-la esse_fw-la species_n constat_fw-la etc._n etc._n optat._n l._n 5._o p._n 143._o edit_fw-la com._n 1599_o optatus_n in_o celebrate_v the_o sacrament_n of_o baptism_n there_o be_v three_o kind_n of_o thing_n which_o you_o can_v neither_o increase_v nor_o diminish_v nor_o pretermit_v the_o one_a be_v the_o trinity_n the_o second_o in_o he_o that_o believe_v the_o 3d._n in_o he_o that_o do_v the_o office_n but_o they_o be_v not_o all_o to_o be_v esteem_v of_o equal_a moment_n for_o i_o look_v upon_o two_o of_o they_o to_o be_v necessary_a and_o one_o as_o if_o it_o be_v necessary_a the_o trinity_n obtain_v the_o principal_a place_n the_o faith_n of_o he_o that_o believe_v come_v next_o after_o this_o and_o the_o person_n of_o he_o that_o minister_n be_v nigh_o but_o can_v be_v of_o the_o same_o authority_n the_o two_o former_a remain_v always_o unalterable_a and_o fix_v for_o the_o trinity_n be_v always_o the_o same_o and_o the_o faith_n in_o several_a person_n be_v but_o one_o both_o always_o retain_v their_o proper_a efficacy_n but_o the_o person_n of_o he_o that_o minister_n be_v know_v that_o it_o can_v be_v equal_a to_o the_o two_o former_a sort_n for_o this_o reason_n because_o it_o alone_o appear_v to_o be_v alterable_a etc._n etc._n and_o 142._o and_o ibid._n p._n 141_o 142._o a_o little_a before_o he_o acquaint_v we_o with_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n at_o that_o time_n as_o oft_o as_o any_o one_o baptise_a by_o you_o i._n e._n the_o donatist_n desire_v to_o come_v over_o to_o we_o we_o receive_v he_o according_a to_o the_o example_n of_o our_o master_n with_o all_o simplicity_n for_o far_o be_v it_o from_o we_o that_o we_o shall_v call_v he_o back_o again_o to_o the_o font_n who_o be_v already_o wash_v far_o be_v it_o from_o we_o that_o we_o shall_v repeat_v that_o which_o be_v to_o be_v do_v but_o once_o or_o double_a that_o which_o be_v but_o one_o for_o so_o it_o be_v write_v by_o the_o
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former_a function_n yet_o be_v they_o not_o to_o be_v reordain_v etc._n etc._n and_o second_o if_o on_o the_o contrary_a the_o church_n judge_n it_o not_o convenient_a to_o allow_v they_o any_o ministration_n 60._o vid._n tim._n pro●…_n c._n p._n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d ap_fw-mi coteler_n ec._n gr._n mon._n t._n 3._o p._n 420._o &_o e._n niceph._n c.p._n epist_n canonic_a ibid._n p._n 459_o etc._n etc._n mason_n br●…mhal_o burnet_n vind._o p._n 60._o yet_o their_o ordination_n be_v not_o hereby_o make_v void_a but_o continue_v with_o they_o still_o etc._n etc._n to_o this_o i_o may_v add_v the_o practice_n of_o the_o greek_a church_n in_o former_a age_n and_o the_o opinion_n of_o the_o romanist_n at_o this_o day_n who_o although_o they_o be_v as_o little_a friend_n to_o those_o they_o call_v schismatic_n as_o any_o people_n in_o the_o world_n yet_o the_o most_o learned_a of_o they_o declare_v that_o no_o man_n indeed_o ought_v to_o receive_v order_n from_o either_o heretic_n or_o 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to_o believe_v as_o most_o people_n do_v the_o derive_v of_o our_o order_n through_o a_o schismatical_a church_n can_v be_v no_o prejudice_n to_o the_o line_n of_o succession_n and_o yet_o all_o those_o person_n who_o have_v thus_o determine_v concern_v the_o validity_n of_o schismatical_a ordination_n think_v schismatic_n out_o of_o the_o church_n as_o much_o as_o t._n w._n perhaps_o our_o author_n expect_v to_o triumph_n in_o this_o concession_n and_o that_o make_v he_o call_v so_o earnest_o for_o a_o answer_n to_o this_o question_n suppose_v that_o if_o ordination_n make_v by_o schismatic_n be_v grant_v to_o be_v valid_a our_o present_a nonconformist_n may_v find_v a_o place_n among_o the_o clergy_n when_o ever_o mr._n baxter_n and_o can_v obtain_v a_o comprehension_n without_o a_o new_a ordination_n but_o this_o we_o deny_v for_o although_o schism_n do_v not_o invalidate_v any_o man_n order_n when_o they_o be_v real_o give_v yet_o this_o will_v be_v no_o plea_n for_o those_o who_o 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the_o vindicator_n have_v never_o meet_v with_o or_o else_o he_o will_v scarce_o have_v be_v so_o confid●…nt_a as_o to_o tell_v we_o p._n 26._o that_o they_o be_v in_o the_o line_n still_o and_o yet_o it_o be_v hard_o to_o say_v whether_o he_o be_v not_o aware_a of_o some_o such_o thing_n or_o else_o what_o shall_v make_v he_o so_o earnest_a as_o to_o lose_v so_o many_o page_n aga_fw-la n_v this_o line_n of_o succession_n which_o if_o it_o will_v do_v he_o no_o good_a will_v certain_o do_v he_o no_o harm_n methinks_v it_o be_v at_o least_o a_o matter_n of_o reputation_n to_o succeed_v the_o apostle_n and_o therefore_o i_o can_v see_v no_o reason_n why_o this_o vindicator_n shall_v take_v such_o pain_n to_o oppose_v it_o unless_o be_v conscious_a to_o himself_o that_o his_o party_n have_v no_o pretence_n to_o it_o he_o will_v if_o it_o lay_v in_o his_o power_n make_v it_o void_a or_o needless_a to_o prevent_v other_o insist_v upon_o it_o who_o he_o know_v can_v make_v out_o a_o better_a 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invest_v he_o in_o his_o office_n will_v a_o testimonial_a from_o the_o inn_n of_o court_n make_v a_o man_n a_o judge_n or_o from_o the_o university_n a_o minister_n without_o any_o commission_n from_o the_o king_n or_o ordination_n from_o the_o bishop_n or_o any_o body_n else_o but_o this_o be_v such_o a_o way_n of_o make_v clergyman_n as_o never_o be_v hear_v of_o before_o and_o indeed_o our_o author_n himself_o put_v in_o two_o other_o circumstance_n in_o the_o next_o page_n viz._n that_o he_o be_v choose_v by_o the_o rest_n and_o set_v apart_o by_o the_o most_o competent_a judge_n which_o amount_v to_o a_o great_a deal_n more_o than_o only_a a_o public_a approbation_n and_o these_o judge_n he_o suppose_v may_v be_v layman_n in_o certain_a case_n of_o necessity_n as_o in_o case_n that_o a_o company_n of_o layman_n be_v cast_v upon_o a_o island_n or_o remain_v in_o same_o country_n when_o their_o pastor_n be_v all_o kill_v or_o turn_v heretic_n but_o in_o the_o first_o place_n i_o 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the_o instance_n of_o popular_a election_n that_o can_v be_v find_v in_o scripture_n but_o from_o none_o of_o they_o be_v it_o evident_a that_o the_o election_n of_o the_o people_n do_v contribute_v any_o thing_n that_o be_v essential_a to_o holy_a order_n the_o reason_n why_o it_o be_v admit_v be_v that_o they_o may_v confer_v the_o power_n and_o character_n upon_o the_o best_a and_o most_o unexceptionable_a person_n such_o as_o be_v of_o honest_a report_n which_o can_v not_o so_o easy_o be_v know_v without_o consult_v the_o multitude_n oxon._n cyp._n ep._n lxviii_o ed._n oxon._n and_o this_o be_v all_o the_o use_v that_o st_n cyprian_n make_v of_o the_o aforementioned_a instance_n who_o tell_v we_o that_o it_o be_v so_o order_v in_o the_o case_n of_o eleazar_n the_o son_n of_o aaron_n and_o aught_o to_o be_v so_o that_o the_o crime_n of_o ill_a man_n may_v be_v detect_v and_o the_o desert_n of_o good_a man_n extol_v and_o that_o the_o apostle_n proceed_v so_o diligent_o and_o wary_o 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church_n not_o except_v the_o very_a servant_n and_o second_o that_o it_o be_v the_o custom_n then_o in_o every_o congregation_n to_o receive_v the_o sacrament_n every_o lord_n day_n and_o that_o they_o never_o receive_v it_o nisi_fw-la ex_fw-la antistitis_fw-la manu_fw-la but_o from_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o bishop_n what_o can_v such_o bishop_n be_v more_o than_o pastor_n of_o single_a congregation_n to_o which_o i_o answer_v polyc._n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d ignat._n ep._n ad_fw-la polyc._n first_o that_o ignatius_n do_v indeed_o require_v of_o the_o bishop_n to_o discourse_v people_n single_o as_o god_n shall_v enable_v he_o but_o how_o do_v this_o prove_v that_o he_o be_v to_o take_v a_o personal_a cognizance_n of_o every_o particular_a member_n of_o his_o church_n have_v he_o no_o body_n to_o assist_v he_o in_o the_o remote_a part_n of_o his_o charge_n why_o can_v no_o man_n else_o acquaint_v he_o with_o the_o frailty_n and_o misdemeanour_n of_o particular_a person_n but_o all_o must_v depend_v whole_o upon_o his_o own_o cognizance_n and_o observation_n or_o because_o he_o be_v not_o to_o content_v himself_o bare_o with_o public_a preach_v but_o be_v to_o discourse_v they_o particular_o as_o he_o find_v occasion_n do_v it_o therefore_o follow_v that_o he_o must_v needs_o be_v acquaint_v with_o every_o member_n o_o his_o church_n how_o if_o they_o be_v too_o numerous_a or_o liv_o d_o too_o remote_a to_o be_v all_o personal_o discourse_v with_o all_o that_o ignatius_n require_v be_v so_o far_o as_o god_n shall_v enable_v he_o which_o kind_n of_o expression_n methinks_v imply_v some_o difficulty_n let_v assembly_n be_v hold_v often_o ibid._n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d ibid._n inquire_v after_o all_o by_o their_o name_n do_v not_o despise_v or_o behave_v thyself_o insolent_o towards_o the_o men-servant_n or_o maid-servant_n this_o i_o suppose_v be_v the_o passage_n to_o which_o our_o author_n principal_o refer_v though_o if_o he_o have_v be_v able_a to_o have_v quote_v it_o we_o may_v have_v be_v abundant_o more_o certain_a however_o from_o this_o it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v conclude_v that_o he_o must_v take_v a_o personal_a cognizance_n of_o every_o member_n of_o his_o church_n or_o that_o he_o be_v the_o pastor_n only_o of_o one_o single_a congregation_n for_o how_o do_v he_o prove_v that_o those_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v to_o be_v only_o at_o one_o place_n why_o may_v not_o the_o several_a assembly_n in_o his_o diocese_n be_v as_o well_o comprehend_v under_o that_o title_n again_o how_o do_v our_o author_n prove_v that_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d signify_v no_o more_o but_o the_o ordinary_a congregation_n why_o not_o the_o more_o extraordinary_a assembly_n when_o the_o bishop_n visited_n perhaps_o the_o bishop_n have_v a_o scroll_n wherein_o the_o name_n of_o christian_n be_v enroll_v and_o in_o call_v they_o over_o at_o his_o visitation_n may_v inquire_v into_o the_o faith_n and_o manner_n of_o particular_a person_n and_o call_v for_o the_o man_n themselves_o and_o as_o he_o find_v occasion_n discourse_v they_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d by_o way_n of_o doctor_n ine_z admonition_n or_o reproof_n or_o peradventure_o he_o may_v call_v over_o the_o n●…mes_n of_o the_o congregation_n where_o he_o himself_o be_v present_a that_o he_o may_v hereby_o discover_v who_o be_v heretical_o incline_v for_o even_o then_o such_o person_n begin_v to_o withdraw_v from_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o church_n and_o to_o hold_v conventicle_n though_o very_o private_o and_o if_o we_o take_v it_o in_o the_o latter_a sense_n it_o will_v contribute_v little_a to_o his_o cause_n unless_o he_o can_v first_o prove_v that_o the_o bishop_n congregation_n will_v not_o be_v a_o pattern_n to_o the_o rest_n xvii_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n id._n ad_fw-la smyr_n
〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d ibid._n vid._n dodw._n in_o irenae_n dis_n 1._o sect._n xvii_o and_o that_o there_o be_v no_o subordinate_a presbyter_n to_o do_v the_o same_o thing_n by_o the_o bishop_n order_n in_o other_o congregation_n within_o his_o diocese_n and_o that_o there_o be_v more_o congregation_n than_o one_o under_o the_o bishop_n of_o smyrna_n be_v evident_a from_o that_o pass●…ge_n of_o ignatius_n in_o his_o epistle_n to_o they_o smyrn_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d ig._n ad_fw-la smyrn_n let_v no_o man_n perform_v any_o of_o those_o thing_n which_o belong_v to_o public_a assembly_n without_o the_o bishop_n that_o eucharist_n be_v to_o be_v think_v valid_a which_o be_v either_o under_o he_o or_o at_o least_o which_o he_o allow_v what_o have_v he_o to_o do_v to_o allow_v the_o eucharist_n in_o congregation_n independent_a upon_o he_o and_o to_o talk_v of_o give_v allowance_n to_o himself_o in_o his_o own_o be_v to_o great_a a_o blunder_n for_o ignatius_n to_o be_v charge_v with_o so_o that_o all_o the_o distinction_n here_o make_v be_v betwixt_o a_o congregation_n under_o the_o bishop_n viz._n that_o where_o he_o be_v personal_o present_a and_o another_o congregation_n assemble_v by_o his_o permission_n and_o allowance_n and_o must_v consequent_o imply_v that_o in_o the_o church_n of_o smyrna_n there_o be_v several_a congregation_n under_o one_o bishop_n what_o relate_v to_o servant_n be_v nothing_o to_o this_o purpose_n in_o ignatius_n whatever_o it_o be_v in_o our_o author_n head_n nor_o be_v the_o second_o alligation_n more_o regular_a or_o just_a than_o the_o former_a antistitis_fw-la manu_fw-la in_o tertullian_n for_o thence_o it_o come_v original_o by_o way_n of_o mr._n baxter_n to_o our_o author_n refer_v not_o to_o the_o sacrament_n of_o the_o lord_n supper_n 3._o aquam_fw-la adituri_fw-la ibidem_fw-la sed_fw-la &_o aliquanto_fw-la prius_fw-la in_o ecclesia_fw-la sub_fw-la antistit●…_n manu_fw-la contestamur_fw-la nos_fw-la renunciare_fw-la diaibolo_fw-it etc._n etc._n eucharistiae_fw-la sacramentum_fw-la &_o in_fw-la tempore_fw-la victus_fw-la &_o omnibus_fw-la &_o mandatum_fw-la a_o domino_fw-la etiam_fw-la antelucanis_fw-la caetizbus_fw-la nec_fw-la de_fw-la aliorum_fw-la manu_fw-la quam_fw-la praesidentium_fw-la sumimus_fw-la tert._n de_fw-fr cor._n milit._n c._n 3._o but_o to_o the_o form_n of_o renounce_v the_o devil_n etc._n etc._n which_o be_v preparatory_a to_o baptism_n and_o the_o person_n to_o be_v baptise_a do_v it_o sub_fw-la antistitis_fw-la manu_fw-la for_o ex_fw-la as_o this_o man_n quote_v it_o will_v have_v make_v it_o nonsense_n tertullian_n do_v indeed_o speak_v of_o the_o lord_n supper_n not_o to_o be_v receive_v nisi_fw-la de_fw-la praesidentium_fw-la manu_fw-la but_o this_o will_v do_v our_o author_n no_o service_n the_o word_n praesidentium_fw-la include_v the_o bench_n of_o presbyter_n as_o well_o as_o the_o bishop_n in_o cathedra_fw-la vii_o vid._n pear_n vind._n ignat._n p._n 2._o c._n 13._o assert_v 2._o dod._n in_o iren._n dis_n 1._o sect._n vii_o nor_o will_v the_o passage_n out_o of_o irenaeus_n which_o he_o so_o hasty_o misapply_v if_o full_o cite_v and_o understand_v afford_v any_o advantage_n to_o his_o cause_n presbyter_n in_o that_o father_n oftentimes_o denote_v the_o age_n rather_o than_o the_o office_n of_o those_o person_n mean_v by_o it_o as_o divers_z learned_a man_n have_v already_o observe_v and_o in_o that_o sense_n not_o only_a presbyter_n but_o likewise_o bishop_n deacon_n and_o layman_n may_v be_v comprehend_v under_o that_o title_n and_o according_o irenaeus_n distinguish_v by_o divers_a character_n tell_v they_o what_o sort_n of_o elder_n they_o be_v to_o hearken_v to_o 43_o qua_fw-la propter_fw-la eye_n qui_fw-la in_o eccles_n sunt_fw-la pres_n obaudire_fw-la oportet_fw-la hiis_fw-la qui_fw-la successionem_fw-la habent_fw-la ab_fw-la apostolis_n sicut_fw-la ostendimus_fw-la qui_fw-la cum_fw-la episc_n successione_n charisma_n veritatis_fw-la certum_fw-la secundum_fw-la placitum_fw-la patris_fw-la acceperunt_fw-la iren._n l._n 4._o c._n 4_o 3._o iren._n l._n 4._o c._n 43_o viz._n first_o eye_n qui_fw-la in_o ecclesia_fw-la sunt_fw-la those_o who_o be_v within_o the_o pale_a of_o the_o church_n second_o hiis_fw-la qui_fw-la successionem_fw-la habent_fw-la ab_fw-la apostolis_n etc._n etc._n those_o who_o have_v the_o succession_n from_o the_o apostle_n and_o who_o together_o with_o the_o succession_n in_o their_o episcopal_a charge_n do_v receive_v the_o sure_a gift_n of_o truth_n according_a to_o the_o will_n of_o the_o father_n whence_o it_o be_v plain_a that_o irenaeus_n in_o this_o place_n mean_v bishop_n only_o when_o he_o talk_v of_o the_o apostle_n successor_n and_o therefore_o our_o author_n inference_n in_o behalf_n of_o presbyter_n have_v their_o succession_n from_o the_o apostle_n as_o well_o as_o bishop_n be_v out_o of_o door_n irenaeus_n reckon_v up_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n in_o order_n as_o they_o succeed_v to_o eleutherius_fw-la then_o bishop_n who_o be_v the_o twelve_o from_o the_o apostle_n conclude_v hac_fw-la ordina●…ione_n &_o successione_n etc._n etc._n by_o this_o ordination_n and_o succession_n that_o tradition_n which_o be_v in_o the_o church_n from_o the_o apostl●…s_n and_o the_o preach_a of_o the_o truth_n be_v hand_v down_o to_o we_o from_o which_o it_o be_v plain_a that_o succession_n in_o their_o day_n be_v more_o than_o bare_a conformity_n to_o the_o apostle_n model_n in_o government_n and_o worship_n for_o they_o succee_v the_o apostle_n first_o in_o power_n and_o authority_n so_o irenaeus_n quibus_fw-la etiam_fw-la ipsas_fw-la ecclesias_fw-la committebant_fw-la quos_fw-la &_o successores_fw-la relinquebant_fw-la suum_fw-la ipsorum_fw-la locum_fw-la magisterii_fw-la tradentes_fw-la second_o in_o place_n so_o linus_n be_v constitute_v the_o successor_n of_o st._n peter_n and_o st._n paul_n at_o rome_n and_o irenaeus_n tell_v we_o further_o that_o they_o make_v he_o bishop_n and_o therefore_o if_o his_o successor_n afterward_o mention_v keep_v up_o to_o the_o apostle_n model_n they_o must_v likewise_o derive_v their_o office_n as_o he_o do_v from_o person_n invest_v w●…th_v the_o same_o character_n and_o consequent_o as_o linus_n be_v ordain_v by_o the_o apostle_n who_o have_v that_o episcopal_a authority_n in_o themselves_o which_o they_o confer_v upon_o he_o so_o the_o rest_n down_o to_o eleutherius_fw-la must_v be_v ordain_v by_o bishop_n and_o if_o so_o let_v our_o author_n consider_v with_o himself_o whether_o his_o notion_n or_o we_o be_v near_a in_o all_o point_n to_o the_o sense_n of_o those_o time_n when_o i_o consider_v how_o nice_a and_o strict_a this_o gentleman_n be_v in_o the_o notion_n of_o succession_n p._n 19_o 20_o that_o he_o can_v not_o allow_v two_o bishop_n to_o succeed_v one_o apostle_n nor_o one_o to_o succeed_v two_o i_o can_v but_o wonder_v that_o in_o the_o write_n of_o 16_o page_n his_o head_n shall_v grow_v 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grant_v likewise_o that_o schism_n be_v frequent_o the_o effect_n of_o uncharitableness_n which_o perhaps_o be_v all_o that_o honest_a mr._n h._n mean_v when_o he_o call_v d_o it_o formalis_fw-la ratio_fw-la people_z