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no_o power_n to_o judge_v any_o cause_n without_o the_o presence_n advice_n and_o counsel_n of_o their_o presbyter_n conc._n carth._n 4._o can_n 23._o field_n forbesse_n saravia_n and_o douname_n do_v all_o acknowledge_v that_o it_o be_v so_o and_o so_o do_v bellarmine_n de_fw-fr pont._n rom._n l._n 1._o c._n 8._o of_o this_o presbytery_n speak_v cyprian_a omni_fw-la actu_fw-la ad_fw-la i_o perlato_fw-la placuit_fw-la contrahi_fw-la presbyterium_fw-la etc._n etc._n of_o the_o presbytery_n speak_v the_o same_o cyprian_a lib._n 2._o ep._n 8._o &_o lib._n 4._o ep._n 5._o ignatius_n ad_fw-la trall_n and_o hierom_n in_o esa._n 3_o we_o find_v it_o also_o in_o conc_fw-fr ancyr_n can_v 18_o and_o in_o conc_fw-fr carthag_n 4._o can_n 35.40_o 254.255_o doctor_n forbesse_n allege_v that_o the_o word_n presbytery_n for_o fifteen_o hundred_o year_n after_o christ_n do_v signify_v no_o other_o thing_n in_o the_o church_n than_o a_o diocesan_n synod_n but_o herein_o if_o he_o have_v understand_v himself_o he_o speak_v not_o so_o much_o against_o presbytery_n as_o against_o prelate_n for_o a_o diocese_n of_o old_a be_v bound_v within_o one_o city_n 2._o tumque_fw-la jampridem_fw-la per_fw-la omnes_fw-la provincias_fw-la &_o per_fw-la urbes_fw-la singulas_fw-la ordinati_fw-la sint_fw-la episcopi_fw-la etc._n etc._n say_v cyprian_n it_o be_v necessary_a to_o ordain_v bishop_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 10._o say_v chrysostome_n speak_v of_o the_o primitive_a time_n yea_o in_o country_n village_n also_o be_v bishop_n who_o be_v call_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d that_o be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d rural_a bishop_n who_o episcopal_a office_n though_o limit_v yet_o be_v allow_v in_o the_o council_n of_o ancyra_n can_v 13._o and_o the_o council_n of_o antioch_n can_v 8._o &_o 10._o 4._o sozomen_n record_v that_o the_o village_n majuma_n which_o be_v sometime_o a_o suburb_n of_o the_o city_n gaza_n be_v not_o subject_a to_o the_o bishop_n of_o gaza_n but_o have_v its_o 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col_fw-fr 727._o junius_n animad_fw-la in_o bellâ—r_n cont_n 5._o l_o 1._o c_o 2_o danaeus_n de_fw-fr polit._n christ._n l._n 6_o p_o 452._o alsted_n theol._n case_z pag._n 518.520_o sopingâ—us_fw-la ad_fw-la bonam_fw-la fidem_fw-la sibrandi_fw-la pag._n 253._o etc._n etc._n the_o professor_n of_o leyden_n synt._n pur_fw-mi theol._n disp._n 42._o and_o sundry_a other_o who_o testimony_n i_o omit_v for_o brevity_n cause_n it_o be_v enough_o to_o note_v the_o place_n the_o author_n of_o the_o assertion_n for_o true_a and_o christian_a church_n policy_n pag._n 196.197_o cit_v for_o rule_v elder_n the_o testimony_n the_o commissioner_n of_o king_n edward_n the_o six_o authorize_v to_o compile_v a_o book_n for_o the_o reformation_n of_o law_n ecclesiastical_a among_o who_o be_v the_o archbishop_n of_o canterbury_n and_o the_o bishop_n of_o ely_n they_o say_v let_v the_o minister_n go_v apart_o with_o some_o of_o the_o elder_n take_v counsel_n etc._n etc._n voetâ—us_o cit_v to_o the_o same_o 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may_v be_v teach_v the_o more_o easy_o origen_n speak_v of_o the_o trial_n of_o such_o as_o be_v to_o be_v admit_v member_n of_o the_o church_n 3._o say_v nonnulli_fw-la praepositi_fw-la sunt_fw-la etc._n etc._n there_o be_v some_o ruler_n appoint_v who_o may_v inquire_v concern_v the_o conversation_n and_o manner_n of_o these_o thâ—t_n be_v admit_v that_o they_o may_v debar_v from_o the_o congregation_n such_o as_o commit_v filthiness_n in_o the_o act_n of_o the_o 5._o council_n of_o toledo_n according_a to_o the_o late_a edition_n 1._o we_o read_v that_o cinthila_n who_o other_o call_v chintillanus_fw-la come_v into_o that_o council_n cum_fw-la optimatibus_fw-la &_o senioribus_fw-la palatii_fw-la svi_fw-la but_o lorinus_n have_v find_v in_o some_o ancient_a copy_n 4.5_o cum_fw-la optimatibus_fw-la &_o senioribus_fw-la populi_fw-la svi_fw-la with_o the_o noble_n and_o the_o elder_n of_o his_o people_n i_o will_v know_v who_o be_v these_o elder_n of_o the_o people_n distinguish_v from_o the_o noble_n accepisse_fw-la these_o thing_n may_v suffice_v from_o antiquity_n to_o give_v some_o evidence_n that_o the_o office_n of_o rule_v elder_n be_v not_o calvin_n new_a fangle_a devise_n at_o geneva_n as_o our_o adversary_n be_v please_v to_o call_v it_o but_o for_o further_a confirmation_n of_o this_o point_n voetius_fw-la disp_n 2._o de_fw-la senio_fw-la and_o before_o he_o justellus_n in_o annot_n &_o notis_fw-la in_o cod_n can._n eccles._n afric_n can._n 100_o have_v observe_v sundry_a other_o pregnant_a testimony_n from_o antiquity_n for_o rule_v elder_n especial_o out_o of_o these_o notable_a record_n gesta_fw-la puâ—gationis_fw-la caeciliani_n &_o faelicis_fw-la to_o be_v see_v in_o the_o anna_n of_o baronius_n an._n 103._o and_o in_o albaspinaeus_n his_o edition_n of_o optatus_n these_o testimony_n i_o have_v here_o set_v down_o in_o the_o margin_n from_o which_o passage_n it_o be_v apparent_a that_o in_o the_o day_n of_o ambrose_n these_o senior_n be_v neither_o in_o all_o place_n nor_o altogether_o grow_v out_o of_o use_n but_o that_o both_o in_o the_o eastern_a and_o western_a church_n manifest_a footstep_n of_o the_o same_o remain_v neither_o be_v his_o testimony_n before_o allege_v repugnant_a hereunto_o for_o we_o may_v understand_v his_o meaning_n to_o be_v either_o that_o in_o some_o place_n or_o that_o in_o some_o sort_n they_o be_v grow_v out_o of_o use_n because_o peradventure_o the_o teacher_n begin_v to_o do_v something_n without_o their_o counsel_n and_o advice_n which_o in_o former_a time_n be_v not_o so_o 215._o bilson_n answer_v two_o way_n to_o the_o testimony_n from_o the_o 137._o epist._n of_o august_n and_o belike_o he_o will_v have_v answer_v in_o the_o same_o manner_n to_o these_o other_o testimony_n he_o say_v we_o may_v understand_v by_o these_o senior_n either_o the_o better_a part_n of_o the_o clergy_n or_o the_o senator_n &_o ruler_n of_o the_o city_n that_o they_o be_v neither_o bishop_n nor_o preach_v presbyter_n nor_o deacon_n it_o be_v manifest_a for_o they_o be_v distinguish_v from_o all_o these_o in_o act_n purgat_fw-la cacil_a &_o fal._n and_o they_o be_v call_v by_o isiâ—ore_n and_o pâ—rpurius_n seniores_fw-la plebis_fw-la beside_o it_o be_v strange_a if_o august_n bishop_n of_o hippo_n write_v to_o his_o clergy_n shall_v distinguish_v either_o the_o deacon_n from_o the_o presbyter_n by_o the_o name_n of_o the_o clergy_n which_o be_v common_a to_o both_o or_o some_o preach_a presbyter_n from_o other_o preach_a presbyter_n by_o the_o name_n of_o senior_n on_o the_o other_o part_n that_o they_o be_v not_o magistrate_n of_o city_n it_o be_v no_o less_o plain_a for_o they_o be_v call_v seniores_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la and_o ecclesiastici_fw-la viri_fw-la they_o instruct_v the_o people_n and_o have_v place_n in_o judge_v of_o cause_n ecclesiastical_a 253._o but_o elsewhere_o bilson_n take_v upon_o he_o to_o prove_v that_o those_o of_o the_o clergy_n who_o be_v by_o their_o proper_a name_n call_v presbyter_n be_v also_o call_v seniores_fw-la as_o those_o who_o come_v near_a to_o the_o bishop_n in_o degree_n wisdom_n and_o age_n and_o this_o he_o prove_v by_o a_o testimony_n of_o ambrose_n 20._o viduarum_fw-la ac_fw-la virginum_fw-la domos_fw-la nisi_fw-la â—isitandi_fw-la gratia_fw-la juniores_fw-la ad_fw-la re_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la opus_fw-la &_o hoc_fw-la cum_fw-la senioribus_fw-la hoc_fw-la est_fw-la cum_fw-la episcopo_fw-la vel_fw-la sigravior_fw-la est_fw-la causa_fw-la cum_fw-la presbyteris_fw-la answ._n 1._o here_o the_o senior_n be_v the_o bishop_n which_o be_v neither_o good_a sense_n nor_o any_o thing_n to_o his_o purpose_n 2._o he_o have_v leave_v out_o a_o word_n without_o which_o the_o sentence_n can_v be_v understand_v and_o that_o be_v well_fw-mi ambrose_n say_v hoc_fw-la est_fw-la vel_fw-la â—um_fw-la episcopo_fw-la etc._n etc._n and_o so_o the_o word_n may_v suffer_v a_o threefold_a sense_n for_o either_o seniores_fw-la be_v here_o a_o name_n of_o age_n or_o of_o office_n if_o it_o be_v a_o name_n of_o age_n as_o may_v be_v presume_v by_o the_o opposition_n thereof_o to_o juniores_fw-la than_o the_o meaning_n of_o ambrose_n be_v that_o young_a man_n shall_v not_o go_v into_o the_o house_n of_o virgin_n or_o widow_n except_o it_o be_v with_o some_o man_n of_o age_n and_o these_o to_o be_v the_o bishop_n or_o the_o presbyter_n if_o â—t_a be_v a_o name_n of_o office_n theâ—_n may_v we_o either_o understand_v that_o by_o the_o presbyter_n he_o mean_v rule_v elder_n and_o by_o the_o bishop_n the_o pastor_n of_o any_o particular_a church_n 〈◊〉_d for_o if_o whitaker_n be_v not_o deceive_v pastor_n have_v the_o name_n of_o bishop_n not_o only_o in_o scripture_n but_o in_o the_o ancient_a church_n also_o or_o that_o he_o comprehend_v under_o the_o order_n of_o elder_n not_o only_o the_o preach_a presbyter_n but_o the_o bishop_n also_o who_o be_v chief_a among_o they_o by_o the_o first_o sense_n bilson_n do_v gain_v nothing_o by_o the_o other_o two_o he_o have_v worse_a than_o nothing_o for_o any_o of_o they_o destroy_v his_o chief_a ground_n chap._n x._o the_o consent_n of_o protestant_a writer_n and_o
in_o council_n and_o to_o judge_n of_o all_o thing_n even_o matter_n of_o faith_n treat_v therein_o first_o it_o be_v allege_v that_o lay-man_n have_v not_o such_o ability_n of_o gift_n and_o learning_n as_o to_o judge_v aright_o of_o such_o matter_n but_o i_o dare_v say_v there_o be_v rule_v elder_n in_o scotland_n who_o in_o a_o theological_a dispute_n shall_v powerful_o spoil_v many_o of_o those_o who_o make_v this_o objection_n 2._o antonius_n sadeel_n johannes_n a_o lasco_n morney_n and_o such_o like_a show_n plain_o to_o the_o world_n that_o gift_n &_o singular_a learning_n be_v not_o tie_v to_o bishop_n and_o doctor_n of_o the_o church_n 3._o neither_o do_v man_n of_o subtle_a wit_n and_o deep_a learning_n prove_v always_o fit_a to_o dispute_n and_o determine_v question_n of_o faith_n it_o be_v mark_v in_o the_o history_n of_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a that_o there_o be_v a_o layman_n therein_o of_o a_o simple_a and_o sincere_a mind_n who_o put_v to_o silence_v a_o subtle_a philosopher_n who_o all_o the_o bishop_n can_v not_o compesâ—e_fw-la 4._o there_o be_v many_o both_o in_o parliament_n and_o secret_a counsel_n without_o all_o controversy_n able_a to_o give_v their_o suffrage_n and_o to_o judge_v of_o matter_n in_o hand_n who_o notwithstanding_o be_v not_o of_o such_o learning_n and_o eloquence_n as_o to_o enter_v into_o the_o list_n of_o a_o public_a dispute_n 5._o and_o if_o the_o gift_n and_o ability_n of_o the_o most_o part_n of_o rule_v elder_n be_v as_o small_a as_o their_o adversary_n will_v be_v please_v to_o call_v they_o yet_o this_o conclude_v nothing_o against_o their_o right_a power_n of_o voice_n but_o only_o against_o their_o aptitude_n and_o fitness_n unto_o that_o whereto_o their_o right_n will_v carry_v they_o and_o we_o doubt_v that_o every_o pastor_n be_v well_o gift_v for_o all_o which_o come_v within_o the_o compass_n of_o his_o vocation_n or_o do_v well_o every_o thing_n which_o he_o have_v power_n to_o do_v another_o objection_n be_v make_v from_o 1._o cor._n 14.32_o the_o spirit_n of_o the_o prophet_n arâ—_n subject_a to_o the_o prophet_n whence_o they_o collect_v that_o prophet_n and_o preacher_n of_o the_o word_n aught_o to_o be_v judge_v by_o such_o as_o themselves_o be_v that_o be_v by_o prophet_n and_o preacher_n and_o by_o none_o other_o â—61_n to_o this_o we_o say_v 1._o there_o own_o camero_n give_v we_o another_o commentary_n upon_o that_o place_n right_o observe_v that_o the_o apostle_n there_o speak_v nothing_o of_o try_v or_o judge_v the_o spirit_n but_o only_o of_o the_o order_n which_o be_v to_o be_v keep_v in_o the_o church_n for_o whereas_o in_o the_o church_n of_o corinth_n the_o prophet_n do_v prophecy_n tumultuous_o many_o or_o all_o of_o they_o at_o once_o and_o will_v not_o give_v place_n one_o to_o another_o this_o the_o apostle_n condemn_v and_o will_v have_v the_o prophet_n so_o far_o subject_a to_o the_o prophet_n as_o that_o when_o one_o rise_v up_o to_o prophecy_n the_o rest_n may_v hold_v their_o peace_n 2._o that_o this_o be_v the_o sense_n it_o be_v clear_a from_o the_o order_n and_o dependence_n of_o the_o text_n for_o v_o 30._o he_o command_v he_o that_o prophesi_v in_o the_o church_n to_o hold_v his_o peace_n when_o any_o thing_n be_v reveal_v to_o another_o prophet_n that_o sit_v by_o now_o this_o he_o enforce_v by_o four_o reason_n 1._o because_o so_o they_o may_v all_o prophecy_n one_o by_o one_o and_o they_o be_v mistake_v who_o think_v that_o all_o can_v not_o prophesy_v except_o many_o speak_v at_o once_o 2._o all_o that_o be_v in_o the_o church_n may_v learn_v and_o all_o be_v comfort_v by_o every_o prophet_n which_o can_v not_o be_v except_o they_o prophesy_v several_o one_o by_o one_o 3._o the_o spirit_n of_o the_o prophet_n be_v not_o arrogant_a but_o humble_o subject_v one_o to_o another_o each_o give_a place_n to_o other_o 4._o god_n be_v not_o the_o author_n of_o confusion_n but_o of_o peace_n and_o order_n chap._n fourteen_o of_o the_o ordination_n of_o rule_v elder_n of_o the_o continuance_n of_o their_o office_n and_o of_o their_o maintenance_n touch_v the_o first_o of_o these_o it_o can_v be_v deny_v but_o as_o election_n to_o the_o office_n so_o ordination_n to_o the_o exercise_n thereof_o be_v a_o thing_n common_a both_o to_o preach_v and_o rule_v elder_n howbeit_o in_o scotland_n imposition_n of_o hand_n be_v not_o use_v in_o the_o ordination_n of_o rule_v elder_n as_o it_o be_v in_o the_o ordination_n of_o preach_v elder_n yet_o this_o be_v not_o to_o be_v think_v a_o defect_n in_o their_o ordination_n 13.19_o for_o imposition_n of_o hand_n be_v not_o a_o act_n but_o a_o sign_n of_o ordination_n neither_o be_v it_o a_o necessary_a sign_n but_o be_v leâ—t_o free_a it_o be_v not_o therefore_o without_o reason_n that_o calvin_n chemnitius_n gerard_n bucaâ—_n jaâ—iâ—_n bucerus_n and_o many_o other_o of_o our_o learned_a writer_n yea_o the_o archbishop_n of_o spalleto_n do_v all_o make_v a_o distinction_n betwixt_o the_o essential_a act_n of_o ordination_n and_o the_o external_a rite_n thereof_o hold_v that_o ordination_n may_v be_v full_a valid_a and_o complete_a not_o only_o without_o the_o unction_n use_v in_o the_o roman_a church_n but_o even_o without_o the_o lay_n on_o of_o hand_n use_v in_o the_o reform_a church_n after_o the_o election_n of_o rule_v elder_n with_o the_o notice_n &_o consent_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n there_o follow_v with_o we_o a_o public_a designation_n of_o the_o person_n so_o elect_v and_o a_o authoritative_a or_o potestative_a mission_n ordination_n or_o deputation_n of_o they_o unto_o their_o presbyterial_a function_n together_o with_o public_a exhortation_n unto_o they_o and_o prayer_n in_o the_o church_n for_o they_o which_o we_o conceive_v to_o be_v all_o that_o belonge_v either_o to_o the_o essence_n or_o integrity_n of_o ordination_n i_o mean_v not_o to_o condemn_v imposition_n of_o hand_n nor_o any_o other_o convenient_a sign_n in_o the_o ordination_n of_o rule_v elder_n only_o i_o intend_v to_o justify_v our_o own_o form_n as_o sufficient_a as_o for_o the_o maintenance_n and_o the_o continuance_n of_o the_o office_n of_o rule_v elder_n we_o love_v not_o unnecessary_a multiplication_n of_o question_n let_v every_o church_n do_v herein_o what_o they_o find_v most_o convenient_a the_o manner_n of_o our_o church_n in_o these_o thing_n be_v such_o as_o best_o be_v fit_v the_o condition_n of_o the_o same_o &_o such_o as_o can_v be_v in_o reason_n condemn_v neither_o be_v a_o stipend_n nor_o continuance_n in_o the_o function_n till_o death_n essential_a to_o the_o ministry_n of_o the_o church_n but_o separable_a from_o the_o same_o the_o levite_n of_o old_a serve_v not_o at_o all_o time_n but_o by_o course_n and_o when_o they_o be_v 50._o year_n old_a they_o be_v whole_o liberat_fw-la from_o the_o burden_n and_o labour_n though_o not_o from_o the_o attendance_n of_o the_o leviticall_a service_n and_o minister_n may_v still_o upon_o the_o church_n permission_n for_o lawful_a reason_n and_o urgent_a necessity_n be_v absent_a a_o whole_a year_n and_o long_a too_o from_o their_o particular_a charge_n the_o apostle_n when_o they_o be_v first_o send_v through_o judea_n take_v no_o stipend_n mat._n 10.8_o 9_o neither_o do_v paul_n take_v any_o at_o corinth_n 1_o cor._n 9.18_o the_o minister_n among_o the_o waldenses_n work_n with_o their_o hand_n for_o their_o maintenance_n the_o old_a patriarch_n be_v priest_n and_o preacher_n to_o their_o family_n and_o maintain_v themselves_o by_o the_o work_n of_o their_o hand_n feed_v of_o flock_n till_v the_o ground_n &c_n &c_n these_o thing_n i_o do_v not_o mention_v as_o rule_n to_o be_v follow_v by_o we_o but_o to_o show_v that_o the_o intermission_n of_o the_o exercise_n of_o the_o ministry_n the_o want_n of_o maintenance_n and_o labour_v with_o the_o hand_n be_v not_o altogether_o repugnant_a nor_o inconsistent_a with_o the_o nature_n of_o the_o vocation_n of_o the_o 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