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A27530 The best fence against popery, or, A vindication of the power of the king in ecclesiastical affairs being an answer to the papists objections against the oath of supremacy : to which is added Queen Elizabeth's admonition declaring the sense of the said oath, and King James's vindication of the oath of allegiance / by a learned divine. Learned divine. 1670 (1670) Wing B2056; ESTC R27182 57,795 74

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