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it_o belong_v to_o judge_v thereof_o 9_o in_o the_o four_o place_n it_o be_v not_o lawful_a for_o any_o church_n to_o impose_v ceremonial_a burden_n upon_o christian_n but_o circumcision_n be_v a_o great_a burden_n to_o they_o upon_o who_o it_o be_v impose_v as_o our_o convocation_n man_n will_v confess_v if_o it_o be_v impose_v upon_o they_o ergo._n 10._o five_o it_o be_v not_o lawful_a for_o any_o church_n or_o convocation-house_n to_o usurp_v authority_n over_o the_o body_n of_o man_n especial_o unto_o blood_n but_o appoint_v of_o circumcision_n be_v usurp_v of_o authority_n over_o man_n body_n to_o the_o shed_n of_o blood_n ergo._n add_v unto_o this_o that_o the_o convocation-house_n may_v better_o appoint_v that_o all_o english_a man_n shall_v have_v their_o lip_n or_o their_o ear_n pare_v or_o their_o ear_n nail_v to_o their_o parish-churche_n door_n for_o signification_n of_o that_o duty_n which_o they_o be_v bind_v to_o perform_v with_o their_o ear_n and_o lip_n than_o such_o circumcision_n as_o be_v in_o use_n with_o the_o jew_n and_o prester-iohn_n these_o thing_n consider_v i_o think_v there_o be_v no_o reasonable_a man_n but_o will_v soon_o reject_v our_o ceremony_n for_o bring_v such_o a_o foul_a tail_n after_o they_o as_o that_o our_o convocation_n may_v cause_v all_o englishman_n to_o be_v circumcised_a than_o admit_v of_o circumsicision_n for_o love_n of_o our_o paltry_a ceremony_n 11._o present_o after_o the_o def._n have_v excuse_v jewish_a rite_n if_o they_o be_v use_v without_o jewish_a opinion_n he_o confess_v without_o distinction_n that_o all_o jewish-rite_n be_v abolish_v wherein_o the_o repl._n note_v a_o contradiction_n but_o the_o rejoynder_n to_o help_v at_o a_o dead_a lift_n distinguish_v betwixt_o jewish_a ceremony_n as_o they_o be_v typical_a or_o figurative_a and_o necessary_a and_o jewish_a ceremony_n as_o they_o be_v moral_o significant_a and_o free_a now_o for_o necessity_n and_o freedom_n enough_o have_v be_v speak_v in_o the_o 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waldenses_n who_o first_o reform_v their_o church_n &_o purge_v out_o all_o their_o popish_a leven_a renounce_v all_o such_o human_a cer._n or_o traditious_a as_o unlawful_a as_o manifest_o appear_v by_o all_o papist_n and_o protestant_n that_o have_v set_v down_o their_o confession_n &_o practice_n 4._o if_o analogical_o sacramental_a cere_fw-la be_v impious_a aemulator_n of_o god_n holy_a sacrament_n as_o the_o rej._n confess_v what_o can_v be_v say_v why_o human_a significant_a cer._n analogical_a to_o divine_v significant_a shall_v not_o by_o parity_n of_o reason_n be_v esteem_v impious_a aemulator_n of_o god_n holy_a sign_n be_v it_o forbid_v to_o emulate_v god_n sacra_fw-la only_o &_o not_o all_o his_o holy_a ordinance_n after_o all_o these_o come_v in_o moral_a significant_a cer._n which_o be_v only_o to_o express_v some_o benefitt_a whiâ—h_a god_n give_v we_o or_o to_o notify_v profess_v or_o express_v some_o duty_n which_o we_o owe_v to_o he_o or_o one_o to_o another_o but_o 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so_o be_v continuance_n and_o faithful_a perseverance_n in_o that_o profession_n to_o christ_n and_o his_o respect_n and_o regard_n of_o we_o according_a to_o those_o relation_n then_o do_v it_o signify_v the_o covenant_n by_o this_o which_o have_v be_v say_v it_o appear_v that_o the_o quaestion_n be_v false_o state_v for_o these_o ceremo_n be_v more_o than_o holy_a by_o application_n in_o his_o sense_n former_o open_v they_o be_v press_v as_o necessary_a and_o be_v use_v as_o analogical_o sacramental_a as_o well_o as_o proper_o moral_a quaestion_n â—he_v state_n of_o â—â—e_z quaestion_n and_o in_o signification_n do_v partake_v something_o of_o the_o proper_a nature_n of_o sacrament_n as_o also_o in_o the_o significative_a teach_n and_o stir_v up_o the_o heart_n when_o it_o be_v say_v they_o be_v use_v in_o worship_n they_o be_v external_a act_n of_o god_n worship_n false_o appoint_v by_o man_n and_o serve_v not_o for_o order_n nor_o decency_n nor_o aedification_n chap._n viii_o concern_v a_o national_a church_n answ_o to_o the_o 60.61.62_o of_o the_o preface_n of_o the_o faithful_a congregation_n wherein_o we_o be_v bear_v baptize_v and_o nourish_v up_o in_o faith_n there_o be_v no_o quaestion_n make_v but_o they_o be_v our_o love_a and_o belove_a mother_n yet_o much_o quaestion_n arise_v concern_v that_o which_o the_o rej._n teach_v viz._n 6â—_n pag._n â—0_n 6â—_n that_o all_o those_o church_n together_o have_v one_o mother_n and_o so_o we_o have_v a_o grandmother_n that_o be_v the_o church_n of_o england_n consider_v as_o one_o church_n and_o that_o by_o way_n of_o representation_n as_o the_o convocation_n house_n 2._o by_o way_n of_o association_n and_o combination_n into_o one_o profession_n worship_n and_o discipline_n which_o include_v the_o order_n and_o officer_n that_o be_v the_o hierarchye_a pertain_v thereunto_o but_o not_o by_o any_o other_o collective_a consideration_n 1._o i_o never_o read_v either_o in_o scripture_n or_o in_o any_o orthodox_n writer_n of_o a_o visible_a particular_a church_n either_o grandmother_n of_o christian_n or_o mother_n of_o other_o church_n if_o the_o rej._n have_v he_o shall_v do_v well_o to_o inform_v we_o where_o we_o may_v find_v this_o doctrine_n explain_v 2._o i_o will_v willing_o know_v whether_o christian_n &_o christian_a church_n also_o be_v not_o in_o england_n before_o this_o great_a grandmother_n i_o think_v the_o rej._n will_v not_o deny_v it_o nor_o yet_o fly_v for_o succour_n to_o his_o physician_n who_o have_v find_v out_o a_o herb_n which_o be_v call_v of_o they_o son_n before_o the_o father_n patrem_fw-la filius_fw-la antâ—_n patrem_fw-la to_o justifye_v his_o intention_n of_o daughter_n before_o the_o mother_n matrem_fw-la filia_fw-la antâ—_n matrem_fw-la he_o must_v confess_v that_o this_o grandmoth_a be_v only_o a_o mother_n in_o law_n church_n the_o nature_n of_o a_o representative_a church_n and_o that_o law_n also_o to_o be_v man_n not_o go_n 3._o all_o the_o church_n of_o england_n may_v as_o well_o be_v consider_v as_o one_o in_o unity_n of_o profession_n without_o any_o new_a motherhood_n as_o all_o the_o latin_a school_n of_o england_n one_o in_o the_o unity_n of_o the_o same_o grammar_n or_o all_o gallenicall_a or_o platonical_a school_n one_o in_o their_o kind_n 4._o a_o representative_a mother_n be_v the_o image_n of_o a_o mother_n and_o a_o image_n with_o command_v authority_n in_o religion_n without_o god_n command_n 〈◊〉_d quod_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la siâ—is_fw-la repraesentativa_fw-la libenter_fw-la credâ—mus_fw-la vera_fw-la enim_fw-la non_fw-la estu_fw-ge sed_fw-la â—sten_v aâ—te_fw-la qâ—aso_fw-it â—â—de_fw-it â—orâ—â—ec_fw-la nomen_fw-la qui_fw-la hoc_fw-la nomintâ—â—_n 〈◊〉_d quis_fw-la â—acundâ—_fw-la &_o ceâ—spirandi_fw-la â—obis_fw-la potestatem_fw-la dedit_fw-la qâ—is_fw-la condeâ—di_fw-la canon_n &_o decreta_fw-la verbo_fw-la des_fw-mi disâ—â—â—miâ—iâ—_n vobiâ—tus_fw-la fecit_fw-la quiâ—_n ut_fw-la ista_fw-la humeâ—is_fw-la hominum_fw-la impeâ—eretiu_fw-la permisâ—t_fw-la qâ—is_fw-la consitentia_fw-la ut_fw-la siâ—_n gravareitâ—_n vebis_fw-la persw_n sit_v ut_fw-la dicâ—â—etis_fw-la bâ—num_fw-la malum_fw-la malum_fw-la benumb_v quâ—â—_n iussit_fw-la 〈…〉_o ecclesia_n 〈◊〉_d qâ—a_fw-la nihil_fw-la 〈◊〉_d all_o et_fw-la sed_fw-la picta_fw-la &_o ceâ—iâ—la_fw-la â—mnia_fw-la scanâ—n_a estâ—_n ecclesia_fw-la riâ—a_fw-la sâ—â—sa_fw-la christo_fw-la â—râ—ua_fw-la qua_fw-la seâ—a_fw-la veâ—it_fw-la 〈◊〉_d &_o 〈◊〉_d dei_fw-la 〈◊〉_d be_v a_o idol_n it_o be_v well_o therefore_o to_o this_o purpose_n say_v of_o zwinglius_fw-la explan_n arti_fw-la 8._o that_o you_o be_v a_o representative_a church_n we_o willing_o believe_v for_o you_o be_v not_o the_o true_a church_n but_o show_v i_o beseech_v you_o whence_o you_o have_v this_o name_n who_o style_v you_o with_o this_o title_n who_o give_v you_o power_n of_o meeting_n and_o combyne_v together_o who_o grant_v you_o authority_n of_o coin_v decree_n and_o canon_n differ_v from_o the_o 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will_v not_o therefore_o stand_v with_o we_o about_o the_o signification_n of_o the_o word_n in_o this_o place_n let_v order_n say_v he_o in_o this_o place_n signify_v no_o more_o than_o place_v but_o he_o make_v his_o retreat_n to_o the_o word_n comeliness_n ask_v if_o comeliness_n be_v nothing_o i_o answer_v yes_o it_o be_v some_o thing_n but_o the_o replier_n do_v not_o insist_v in_o that_o word_n because_o he_o take_v the_o force_n of_o the_o def._n his_o argument_n from_o this_o place_n principal_o to_o lie_v upon_o order_n but_o see_v the_o rejoynder_n have_v give_v up_o order_n i_o will_v add_v a_o word_n or_o too_o concern_v comeliness_n i_o take_v this_o for_o grant_v that_o see_v the_o rejoynder_n confess_v order_n here_o to_o be_v take_v in_o strict_a signification_n as_o oppose_v only_o to_o confusion_n pag._n 78._o he_o will_v also_o consent_v with_o we_o that_o decency_n in_o the_o same_o place_n and_o sentence_n be_v to_o be_v take_v in_o strict_a signification_n as_o oppose_v only_o to_o the_o vice_n of_o undecency_n now_o hence_o it_o follow_v that_o decency_n require_v nothing_o but_o that_o which_o be_v necessary_a to_o the_o avoid_n of_o undecency_n i_o ask_v therefore_o if_o undecency_n in_o god_n worship_n can_v be_v avoid_v without_o double_a treble_a sacred_a significant_a ceremony_n of_o man_n invent_v if_o not_o than_o the_o apostle_n do_v much_o forget_v themselves_o in_o their_o public_a worship_v of_o god_n before_o man_n have_v invent_v such_o ceremony_n for_o that_o be_v no_o answer_n which_o the_o rejoynder_n after_o give_v all_o church_n be_v not_o bind_v to_o this_o or_o that_o particular_a way_n of_o comeliness_n all_o church_n be_v bind_v to_o avoid_v undecency_n and_o to_o do_v that_o which_o decency_n require_v or_o bind_v they_o unto_o if_o yea_o then_o decency_n do_v not_o require_v such_o kind_n of_o ceremony_n neither_o do_v it_o in_o deed_n any_o more_o they_o order_n 4â—_n decentiae_fw-la est_fw-la cum_fw-la cultut_o dei_fw-la idoneâ—t_fw-la atque_fw-la convenientibut_fw-la temporis_fw-la loci_fw-la personae_fw-la &_o gestus_fw-la cireâ—â—_fw-la stantijs_fw-la absolvitur_fw-la de_fw-fr haâ—_n decentia_fw-la apostolus_fw-la loqui_fw-la tur_fw-la 1._o cor._n 14_o 4â—_n so_o m_n r._n perkins_n lat_fw-la to_o 2._o p._n 888._o decency_n be_v when_o the_o service_n of_o god_n be_v perform_v with_o convenient_a and_o fit_a circumstance_n of_o time_n place_n person_n and_o gesture_n and_o hereof_o the_o apostle_n speak_v 1._o cor._n 14.40_o the_o plain_a simple_a truth_n without_o ceremonial_a affectation_n be_v that_o decency_n be_v in_o this_o place_n nothing_o but_o good_a civil_a fashion_n etc_n decorum_n apponitur_fw-la vanitaâ—i_fw-la sordibut_fw-la â—uxni_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la in_o casuliâ—_n capplâ—_n aut_fw-la ceremoniarum_fw-la largesse_n etc_n agreeable_a not_o only_o to_o worship_n but_o also_o to_o any_o grave_a assembly_n decency_n say_v pareus_n upon_o the_o place_n be_v oppose_v to_o vanity_n spot_n ryott_v it_o stand_v not_o in_o hood_n cap_n or_o vizardes_n of_o fond_a ceremony_n etc_n i_o dare_v appeal_n to_o d.b._n his_o conscience_n if_o baptism_n be_v not_o as_o decent_o administer_v without_o the_o cross_n as_o with_o it_o and_o public_a prayer_n make_v as_o decent_o without_o a_o surplice_n as_o with_o it_o let_v conscience_n here_o speak_v and_o the_o rejoynder_n harken_v unto_o it_o will_v without_o doubt_n confess_v that_o decency_n in_o this_o place_n do_v no_o more_o require_v either_o cross_n or_o surplice_n than_o order_n and_o that_o both_o of_o they_o together_o do_v no_o more_o require_v those_o ceremony_n than_o a_o hundred_o other_o which_o in_o england_n though_o not_o at_o rome_n be_v deny_v unto_o they_o to_o this_o purpose_n m_o r._n attersoll_n in_o his_o second_o book_n of_o the_o sacram._n cap._n 5._o say_v well_o if_o they_o refer_v all_o this_o trash_n and_o trumpery_n of_o humane_a ceremony_n in_o baptism_n to_o order_v and_o comeliness_n as_o hosius_n do_v do_v they_o not_o thereby_o blasphemous_o accuse_v the_o baptism_n of_o john_n and_o of_o the_o apostle_n of_o uncomelinesse_n and_o disorder_n whereas_o the_o comeliness_n and_o dignity_n of_o the_o sacrament_n be_v to_o be_v esteem_v by_o the_o word_n of_o god_n by_o the_o institution_n of_o christ_n by_o the_o simplicity_n of_o the_o gospel_n and_o by_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o apostle_n nothing_o be_v more_o comely_a decent_a and_o orderly_o then_o that_o which_o christ_n command_v and_o allow_v nothing_o be_v more_o uncomely_a and_o unseemly_a then_o that_o which_o man_n invent_v in_o the_o service_n of_o god_n and_o in_o the_o celebration_n of_o the_o sacrament_n thereby_o invert_v and_o pervert_v the_o holy_a ordinance_n of_o god_n 12._o the_o receyve_v definition_n of_o order_n be_v bring_v in_o to_o the_o same_o purpose_n by_o the_o reply_o and_o the_o rejoynder_n yield_v so_o much_o as_o they_o import_v viz._n that_o order_n in_o strict_a signification_n do_v not_o imply_v such_o ceremony_n as_o we_o he_o must_v therefore_o either_o prove_v that_o in_o this_o place_n 1._o cor_n 14.40_o that_o word_n be_v not_o take_v strict_o which_o he_o himself_o former_o grant_v or_o give_v up_o this_o place_n which_o be_v by_o his_o own_o confession_n the_o only_a place_n of_o all_o the_o new_a testament_n for_o warrant_v of_o such_o ceremony_n or_o fly_v to_o decency_n upon_o which_o he_o can_v any_o more_o fasten_v then_o upon_o order_n as_o have_v be_v show_v nothing_o material_a be_v add_v in_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o rejoynd_a his_o answer_n unto_o this_o argument_n where_o our_o divine_n be_v observe_v to_o distinguish_v order_n and_o decency_n from_o mystical_a ceremony_n the_o context_n of_o the_o chapter_n 1._o corinth_n 14._o be_v declare_v to_o respect_v no_o mystical_a ceremony_n the_o phrase_n of_o scripture_n be_v show_v to_o consent_n nothing_o i_o say_v and_o the_o reader_n may_v see_v be_v add_v but_o only_o the_o same_o thing_n be_v repeat_v about_o order_n and_o decency_n which_o be_v now_o sufficient_o discuss_v so_o that_o the_o rejoynder_n have_v nothing_o to_o say_v to_o the_o contrary_a but_o that_o we_o may_v safe_o conclude_v ergo_fw-la to_o appoint_v and_o use_v the_o ceremony_n as_o we_o do_v be_v not_o leave_v to_o the_o liberty_n of_o the_o church_n 1._o e._n it_o be_v unlawful_a if_o there_o be_v nothing_o else_o against_o they_o in_o all_o the_o scripture_n than_o this_o place_n beside_o which_o the_o def._n and_o rejoynder_n can_v find_v none_o in_o all_o the_o new_a testament_n for_o they_o any_o indifferent_a man_n will_v say_v they_o be_v not_o allow_v those_o that_o be_v devote_v to_o the_o ceremony_n may_v shuffle_v up_o and_o down_o first_o to_o order_n and_o when_o they_o be_v beat_v thence_o to_o decency_n and_o from_o decency_n when_o they_o can_v defend_v that_o no_o long_o to_o edification_n as_o the_o rejoynder_n do_v but_o all_o will_v not_o help_v let_v they_o pitch_v or_o insist_v upon_o one_o of_o these_o ground_n without_o start_v i_o will_v pawn_v my_o head_n their_o anchor_n will_v come_v home_o to_o they_o again_o as_o find_v no_o fast_a ground_n either_o in_o order_n or_o decency_n or_o edification_n for_o double_v significant_a ceremony_n such_o as_o we_o to_o ride_v at_o the_o def._n can_v frame_v no_o consequence_n out_o of_o any_o of_o these_o word_n the_o rejoynder_n say_v there_o be_v one_o but_o he_o can_v show_v it_o to_o the_o contrary_a consequence_n nothing_o be_v answer_v of_o any_o moment_n and_o be_v not_o this_o a_o miserable_a cause_n which_o have_v no_o place_n in_o all_o the_o new_a testament_n which_o the_o best_a advocate_n can_v allege_v for_o it_o but_o only_o that_o out_o of_o which_o it_o be_v utter_o confound_v to_o the_o defend_v and_o rejoinder_n mainteyn_v such_o a_o cause_n this_o testimony_n may_v be_v give_v that_o they_o will_v willing_o so_o far_o as_o they_o can_v favour_n thing_n
occasion_n may_v not_o be_v find_v in_o man_n nay_o father_n ceremonious_a praesumtion_n 4._o it_o be_v final_o answer_v by_o the_o repl._n that_o the_o always_o of_o these_o feast_n can_v include_v the_o apostolical_a time_n and_o for_o other_o always_o bellarmine_n cont._n 1._o l._n 4._o c._n 9_o have_v the_o same_o plea_n and_o the_o answer_v give_v unto_o he_o by_o our_o divine_n may_v serve_v here_o the_o rejoynder_n here_o 1._o insinuate_v that_o it_o be_v very_o likely_a these_o feast_n or_o some_o of_o they_o be_v on_o foot_n while_o some_o apostle_n live_v because_o polycarpe_n pretend_v john_n to_o have_v teach_v easter_n on_o foot_n indeed_o be_v the_o mystery_n of_o antichristian_a corruption_n in_o the_o apostle_n time_n but_o that_o which_o polycarpe_n be_v say_v to_o have_v pretend_v be_v for_o the_o fourteen_o day_n of_o the_o month_n and_o be_v confute_v by_o a_o contrary_a praetense_n of_o the_o latin_a church_n from_o peter_n and_o paul_n socrat._v l._n 5._o cap._n 22._o he_o 2._o add_v under_o augustine_n name_n that_o it_o be_v insolent_a madness_n to_o think_v that_o not_o to_o be_v well_o do_z which_o have_v be_v do_z by_o all_o the_o church_n though_o it_o begin_v after_o the_o apostle_n time_n now_o though_o i_o find_v no_o such_o say_n of_o augustine_n in_o the_o epistle_n quote_v for_o it_o but_o to_o the_o contrary_a i_o find_v this_o rule_n that_o it_o be_v lawful_a or_o not_o lawful_a to_o believe_v or_o not_o to_o believe_v other_o witness_n or_o testimony_n beside_o that_o of_o the_o scripture_n so_o far_o as_o you_o see_v they_o bear_v or_o do_v not_o bear_v weight_n to_o make_v we_o give_v more_o credit_n to_o a_o thing_n perpenderis_fw-la alijs_fw-la testibut_fw-la vel_fw-la testimonijs_fw-la preterquam_fw-la divinarum_fw-la scripturarum_fw-la câ—edere_fw-la vel_fw-la non_fw-la credere_fw-la liceat_fw-la quantum_fw-la ea_fw-la moment_n ad_fw-la faciendam_fw-la sulem_fw-la vel_fw-la habere_fw-la vel_fw-la non_fw-la habere_fw-la perpenderis_fw-la which_o be_v grant_v the_o fact_n of_o the_o church_n can_v so_o confirm_v this_o or_o that_o to_o be_v right_a and_o well_o as_o that_o it_o shall_v be_v madness_n to_o deny_v it_o yet_o let_v it_o be_v his_o say_n i_o answer_v if_o this_o be_v true_a than_o it_o must_v needs_o follow_v that_o give_v of_o the_o communion_n and_o that_o as_o be_v most_o likely_a sop_v upon_o opinion_n of_o necessity_n can_v be_v deny_v well_o and_o good_a for_o that_o as_o be_v well_o know_v be_v do_z general_o in_o augustine_n time_n and_o long_o before_o it_o must_v follow_v also_o that_o they_o be_v special_a insolent_a mad_a man_n that_o first_o begin_v to_o disallow_v either_o that_o or_o any_o other_o ancient_a thing_n of_o general_a observation_n toleravit_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la dei_fw-la intermultam_fw-la palâ—am_fw-la multaque_fw-la zizanta_fw-la constituta_fw-la multa_fw-la toleravit_fw-la which_o augustine_n will_v never_o have_v say_v who_o profess_v of_o his_o time_n that_o the_o church_n of_o god_n set_v in_o the_o heap_n of_o chaff_n and_o tare_n do_v only_o suffer_v many_o thing_n only_o ep_v 119._o he_o 3._o distinguish_v betwixt_o bellarmine_n and_o the_o defendant_n allege_v of_o tradition_n because_o bell._n speak_v of_o doctrine_n necessary_a to_o salvation_n which_o be_v not_o true_a for_o bell._n in_o that_o chapter_n make_v no_o mention_n of_o doctrine_n necessary_a to_o salvation_n and_o in_o the_o next_o chapter_n but_o one_o cap._n 11._o he_o confess_v that_o all_o thing_n absolute_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n be_v write_v in_o the_o scripture_n and_o which_o be_v much_o more_o all_o thing_n that_o be_v either_o necessary_a or_o profitable_a for_o all_o man_n to_o know_v sect_n 18.19_o concern_v protestant_n witness_v against_o the_o negative_a argument_n from_o scripture_n 1._o bellarmine_n be_v bring_v in_o by_o the_o def._n as_o a_o indifferent_a adversary_n confessinge_v that_o protestant_n hold_v the_o apostle_n to_o have_v institute_v some_o thing_n perteyn_a to_o rite_n and_o order_n which_o be_v not_o write_v which_o be_v also_o grant_v unto_o he_o as_o make_v nothing_o against_o we_o only_o the_o vanity_n of_o that_o allegation_n be_v in_o some_o particular_n declare_v which_o how_o they_o be_v clear_v it_o be_v a_o matter_n of_o no_o moment_n i_o refer_v to_o the_o reader_n judgement_n 2._o chemnitius_n be_v allege_v say_v there_o be_v some_o ecclesiastical_a rite_n which_o have_v neither_o command_n nor_o testimony_n in_o scripture_n which_o yet_o be_v not_o to_o be_v reject_v answer_n be_v make_v that_o this_o in_o a_o right_a sense_n be_v grant_v by_o we_o the_o rejoynder_n tax_v this_o as_o a_o idle_a shift_n because_o 1_o chemnitius_n do_v not_o intend_v such_o a_o restrictive_a sense_n 2._o circumstance_n of_o order_n have_v command_v and_o testimony_n in_o scripture_n but_o 1._o it_o be_v no_o idle_a shift_n so_o to_o interpret_v a_o allegation_n object_v as_o that_o the_o interpretation_n can_v be_v confute_v but_o bare_o deny_v 2._o as_o circumstance_n of_o order_n and_o decency_n have_v their_o general_a command_n or_o testimony_n in_o scripture_n so_o have_v those_o rite_n which_o chemnitius_n understand_v or_o else_o his_o sentence_n be_v without_o any_o ground_n out_o of_o scripture_n 3._o the_o same_o answer_n be_v give_v and_o no_o other_o rejoynder_n make_v about_o calvin_n danaeus_n whitaker_n and_o zanchie_a save_v that_o of_o zanchie_a it_o be_v observe_v &_o urge_v by_o the_o rejoynd_a that_o he_o say_v some_o ceremony_n may_v help_v for_o the_o furtherance_n of_o piety_n which_o have_v no_o foundation_n in_o the_o word_n give_v instance_n of_o the_o solemnity_n of_o easter_n etc_n tract_n de_fw-fr sacra_fw-la scriptura_fw-la for_o who_o i_o answer_v that_o his_o sentence_n must_v be_v understand_v of_o no_o particular_a foundation_n or_o else_o he_o shall_v give_v more_o than_o any_o papist_n will_v require_v concern_v their_o humane_a ecclesiastical_a ceremony_n as_o for_o his_o instance_n in_o the_o solemnity_n of_o easter_n it_o seem_v he_o reckon_v they_o among_o ceremony_n of_o order_n and_o decency_n because_o as_o the_o def._n and_o rej._n confess_v that_o be_v the_o only_a place_n authorise_v humane_a institution_n in_o religion_n if_o he_o mean_v otherwise_o he_o do_v as_o a_o man_n across_o his_o own_o rule_n as_o after_o god_n will_v shall_v be_v show_v for_o the_o present_a let_v that_o testimony_n of_o zanchie_a be_v well_o consider_v which_o he_o set_v down_o in_o col._n 2.8_o it_o be_v certain_a that_o this_o consequence_n be_v very_o good_a this_o or_o that_o be_v not_o according_a to_o christ_n therefore_o it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v admit_v this_o aught_o to_o be_v enough_o to_o any_o christian_a man_n it_o be_v not_o according_a to_o christ_n therefore_o i_o admit_v it_o not_o in_o the_o business_n of_o attain_v to_o salvation_n where_o be_v to_o be_v note_v 1._o that_o according_a to_o christ_n be_v oppose_v by_o 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