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mention_v that_o only_o he_o that_o do_v those_o may_v perform_v this_o other_o also_o as_o some_o other_o think_v but_o be_v nothing_o else_o in_o the_o true_a nature_n and_o use_n of_o it_o but_o the_o execution_n and_o accomplishment_n and_o confirmation_n of_o election_n it_o may_v be_v perform_v by_o the_o people_n of_o god_n that_o yet_o have_v no_o officer_n even_o as_o election_n may_v upon_o which_o it_o do_v depend_v 5._o last_o let_v these_o say_n of_o some_o protestant_a writer_n of_o singular_a note_n either_o for_o holiness_n or_o learning_n or_o both_o be_v well_o consider_v of_o master_n perkins_n say_v succession_n of_o doctrine_n alone_o be_v sufficient_a for_o this_o rule_n must_v be_v remember_v that_o the_o power_n of_o the_o key_n that_o be_v of_o order_n and_o jurisdiction_n be_v tie_v by_o god_n and_o annex_v in_o the_o new_a testament_n to_o doctrine_n if_o in_o turkey_n or_o america_n or_o elsewhere_o the_o gospel_n shall_v be_v receive_v by_o the_o counsel_n 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gospel_n to_o a_o certain_a succession_n but_o contrariwise_o the_o scripture_n show_v that_o god_n will_v send_v two_o special_a witness_n to_o prophesy_v against_o antichrist_n of_o the_o church_n chap._n 11._o p._n 371._o doctor_n whitaker_n answer_v bellarmine_n that_o will_v prove_v protestant_n to_o have_v no_o church_n because_o their_o minister_n have_v no_o ordination_n by_o bishop_n sai_z that_o as_o sometime_o bishop_n be_v choose_v by_o the_o clergy_n and_o sometime_o by_o the_o people_n so_o the_o same_o may_v be_v say_v of_o ordination_n viz._n that_o it_o be_v sometime_o by_o the_o clergy_n and_o sometime_o by_o the_o people_n and_o then_o add_v quod_fw-la si_fw-la vocationem_fw-la corum_fw-la episcoporum_fw-la legitimam_fw-la fuisse_fw-la concedat_fw-la bellarminus_n de_fw-fr ordinatione_fw-la minus_fw-la laboramus_fw-la qui_fw-la enim_fw-la habent_fw-la authoritatem_fw-la vocandi_fw-la iidem_fw-la etiam_fw-la authoritatem_fw-la ordinandi_fw-la habent_fw-la si_fw-la 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a_o half_a have_v set_v up_o the_o altar_n upon_o the_o bank_n of_o jordan_n jos_n 22._o for_o it_o be_v say_v that_o the_o whole_a congregation_n of_o the_o child_n of_o israel_n gather_v themselves_o together_o at_o shilo_n to_o go_v up_o to_o war_n against_o they_o v_o 12._o and_o when_o phineas_n and_o ten_o prince_n with_o he_o be_v send_v to_o expostulate_v with_o they_o about_o the_o matter_n it_o be_v the_o whole_a congregation_n that_o send_v they_o v_o 13_o 14._o and_o when_o they_o deliver_v their_o message_n they_o speak_v in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o whole_a congregation_n say_v thus_o say_v the_o whole_a congregation_n of_o the_o lord_n what_o trespass_n be_v this_o etc._n etc._n v_o 16._o which_o plain_o declare_v that_o the_o whole_a congregation_n and_o not_o the_o elder_n or_o ruler_n alone_o think_v it_o their_o duty_n to_o see_v abuse_n reform_v and_o redress_v which_o can_v not_o be_v without_o some_o exercise_n of_o government_n and_o when_o achan_n the_o son_n of_o caâ—mi_n have_v commit_v a_o trespass_n in_o the_o accurse_a thing_n â—is_fw-la 7._o it_o be_v count_v the_o sin_n of_o the_o whole_a congregation_n and_o such_o a_o sin_n as_o bring_v a_o plague_n upon_o they_o all_o for_o it_o be_v say_v the_o child_n of_o israel_n commit_v a_o trespass_n in_o the_o accurse_a thing_n v_o 1._o and_o god_n say_v to_o joshua_n not_o the_o elâ—ers_n have_v sin_v but_o israel_n have_v sin_v and_o they_o have_v transgress_v my_o covenant_n and_o they_o have_v steal_v of_o the_o accurse_a thing_n and_o put_v it_o among_o their_o own_o stuff_n v_o 11._o and_o for_o this_o wrath_n fall_v on_o all_o the_o congregation_n of_o israel_n and_o that_o man_n perish_v not_o alone_o in_o his_o iniquity_n josh_n 22._o 20._o now_o why_o shall_v not_o he_o have_v perish_v alone_o but_o wrath_n must_v fall_v upon_o they_o all_o and_o why_o shall_v his_o sin_n be_v the_o sin_n of_o all_o the_o congregation_n if_o the_o care_n of_o prevent_v it_o and_o timely_o suppress_v the_o same_o which_o can_v not_o be_v without_o some_o exercise_n of_o church_n government_n have_v not_o be_v a_o duty_n lie_v upon_o all_o the_o whole_a congregation_n but_o upon_o the_o elder_n and_o officer_n alone_o doubtless_o the_o just_a lord_n who_o say_v every_o man_n shall_v bear_v his_o own_o burden_n gal._n 6._o 5._o will_v not_o have_v bring_v wrath_n upon_o all_o the_o congregation_n for_o achans_n sin_n if_o such_o government_n as_o may_v have_v prevent_v or_o timely_o reform_v the_o same_o have_v not_o belong_v to_o the_o whole_a congregation_n but_o to_o the_o elder_n alone_o and_o before_o this_o time_n all_o the_o child_n of_o israel_n and_o not_o the_o elder_n alone_o be_v command_v to_o put_v leper_n and_o unclean_a person_n out_o of_o the_o camp_n numb_a 5._o 1_o 2._o by_o all_o which_o it_o appear_v that_o all_o exercise_n
of_o church_n government_n be_v not_o in_o the_o elder_n alone_o but_o some_o power_n be_v in_o the_o people_n and_o elsewhere_o he_o count_v it_o no_o sacrilege_n for_o member_n of_o the_o church_n though_o not_o in_o office_n to_o handle_v those_o key_n mat._n 16._o but_o rather_o a_o frivolous_a thing_n to_o think_v otherwise_o quasi_fw-la absque_fw-la sacrilegio_fw-la say_v he_o tractare_fw-la clave_n privaâ—i_fw-la nequeant_fw-la qui_fw-la eâ—â—s_fw-la privatim_fw-la tractare_fw-la jubeatur_fw-la quoties_fw-la fratres_fw-la suos_fw-la admonere_fw-la consolari_fw-la et_fw-la aedificare_fw-la imò_fw-la veâ—ò_fw-la est_fw-la &_o publica_fw-la clavium_fw-la tractatio_fw-la quam_fw-la plebs_fw-la christiana_n in_fw-la unum_fw-la coacta_fw-la sine_fw-la ullo_fw-la sacrilegio_fw-la ministrat_n 1_o cor._n 5._o polit._n eccles_n l._n 3._o c._n 2._o p._n 8._o and_o yet_o this_o be_v not_o a_o singular_a conceit_n of_o he_o or_o we_o but_o the_o concurrent_a judgement_n of_o many_o worthy_a witness_n of_o the_o truth_n in_o these_o latter_a day_n who_o do_v with_o great_a consent_n hold_v the_o ecclesiastical_a government_n to_o be_v of_o a_o mix_a form_n compound_v of_o all_o three_o estate_n and_o that_o the_o people_n be_v not_o to_o be_v whole_o exclude_v from_o have_v any_o thing_n to_o do_v therein_o si_fw-mi velimus_fw-la christum_fw-la ipsum_fw-la respicere_fw-la fuit_fw-la semper_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la regimen_fw-la monarchicum_fw-la si_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la presbyterâ—s_fw-la qui_fw-la in_o doctrina_fw-la et_fw-la disciplina_fw-la svas_fw-la part_n agebant_fw-la aristocraticum_fw-la si_fw-la totum_fw-la corpus_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la quatenus_fw-la in_o electione_n episcoporum_fw-la et_fw-la presbyterorum_fw-la suffragia_fw-la ferebat_fw-la it_o a_o tamen_fw-la ut_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d semper_fw-la à _fw-la presbyteris_fw-la servaretur_fw-la democraticum_fw-la sic_fw-la partim_fw-la aristocritum_fw-la partim_fw-la democraticum_fw-la partim_fw-la etiam_fw-la monarchicum_fw-la est_fw-la semper_fw-la que_fw-la fuit_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la regimen_fw-la whita_n de_fw-fr pontiff_a rom._n qu._n 1._o c._n 1._o sect_n 2._o the_o church_n say_v mr._n cartwright_n be_v govern_v with_o that_o kind_n of_o government_n which_o the_o philosopher_n that_o write_v of_o the_o best_a commonwealth_n affirm_v to_o be_v the_o best_a for_o in_o respect_n of_o christ_n the_o head_n it_o be_v a_o monarchy_n and_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o ancient_n and_o pastor_n that_o govern_v in_o common_a and_o with_o like_a authority_n among_o themselves_o it_o be_v a_o aristocraty_n or_o rule_v of_o the_o best_a man_n and_o in_o respect_n that_o the_o people_n be_v not_o seclude_v but_o have_v their_o interest_n in_o church_n matter_n it_o be_v a_o democraty_n or_o popular_a state_n 1_o reply_v p._n 51._o and_o when_o dr._n whitegift_n from_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o author_n of_o the_o admonition_n will_v infer_v this_o consequence_n viz._n that_o then_o the_o more_o that_o rule_v the_o better_a estate_n it_o shall_v be_v and_o so_o the_o popular_a state_n shall_v be_v the_o best_a in_o answer_n hereunto_o he_o say_v i_o have_v speak_v of_o this_o before_o where_o i_o declare_v that_o the_o mix_a estate_n be_v best_a both_o by_o the_o example_n of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o christ_n and_o also_o of_o this_o our_o realm_n pag._n 181._o 182._o and_o again_o whereas_o mr._n dr._n say_v that_o excommunication_n and_o consequent_o absolution_n or_o restore_n to_o the_o church_n again_o pertain_v only_o to_o the_o minister_n it_o remain_v that_o i_o show_v that_o the_o presbytery_n or_o eldership_n and_o the_o whole_a church_n also_o have_v interest_n in_o the_o excommunication_n and_o consequent_o in_o the_o absolution_n or_o restore_n unto_o the_o church_n again_o p._n 183._o and_o again_o it_o be_v certain_a saint_n paul_n do_v both_o understand_v and_o observe_v the_o rule_n of_o our_o saviour_n christ_n viz._n that_o rule_n mat._n 18._o tell_v the_o church_n but_o he_o communicate_v this_o power_n of_o excommunication_n with_o the_o church_n and_o therefore_o it_o must_v needs_o be_v the_o meaning_n of_o our_o saviour_n christ_n that_o the_o excommunication_n shall_v be_v by_o many_o and_o not_o by_o one_o and_o by_o the_o church_n and_o not_o by_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o church_n alone_o for_o he_o bid_v the_o church_n of_o corinth_n twice_o in_o the_o first_o epistle_n once_o by_o a_o metaphor_n another_o time_n in_o plain_a word_n that_o they_o shall_v excommunicate_v the_o incestuous_a person_n and_o in_o the_o 2d._o epistle_n understand_v of_o the_o repentance_n of_o the_o man_n he_o intreat_v they_o that_o they_o will_v receive_v he_o again_o and_o therefore_o consider_v that_o the_o absolution_n of_o the_o excommunication_n do_v pertain_v unto_o the_o church_n it_o follow_v that_o the_o excommunication_n do_v in_o like_a manner_n appertainunto_o it_o p._n 184._o and_o again_o that_o the_o ancient_n have_v the_o order_n of_o these_o thing_n and_o that_o the_o people_n consent_n be_v require_v &_o that_o the_o minister_n do_v not_o take_v upon_o they_o of_o their_o own_o authority_n to_o excommunicate_v etc._n etc._n it_o may_v appear_v almost_o in_o every_o page_n of_o cyprian_n epistle_n in_o augustine_n time_n it_o appear_v also_o that_o that_o consent_n of_o the_o church_n be_v require_v p._n 187._o to_o these_o may_v be_v add_v mr._n fenner_n who_o speak_v of_o the_o ecclesiastical_a presbytery_n and_o of_o the_o business_n which_o the_o presbytery_n be_v to_o deal_v in_o which_o he_o distinguish_v into_o judiciarie_n as_o decide_v of_o doubt_n and_o dispence_v of_o censure_n and_o extrajudiciary_n as_o election_n ordination_n etc._n etc._n have_v these_o word_n atque_fw-la haec_fw-la sunt_fw-la negotia_fw-la quae_fw-la praestari_fw-la debent_fw-la in_o quibus_fw-la per_fw-la omnes_fw-la ecclesias_fw-la summa_fw-la ecclesiastica_fw-la potestas_fw-la presbyterio_fw-la demandata_fw-la 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viz._n excommunication_n absolution_n election_n and_o deposing_n of_o minister_n and_o such_o like_a sacrae_fw-la the._n lib._n 7._o c_o 7._o wherein_o he_o plain_o show_v that_o though_o the_o power_n of_o the_o presbytery_n be_v very_o great_a yet_o in_o thing_n of_o great_a moment_n as_o censure_n and_o election_n the_o people_n if_o they_o have_v any_o thing_n to_o counsel_n or_o object_n have_v liberty_n to_o bring_v it_o in_o and_o afterward_o matter_n be_v to_o be_v conclude_v when_o they_o have_v be_v hear_v speak_v and_o have_v give_v their_o consent_n for_o which_o liberty_n and_o power_n of_o the_o people_n he_o bring_v these_o scripture_n 2_o chro._n 30._o 23._o act_n 1._o 15._o 23._o 26._o 1_o cor._n 5._o 4._o &_o 2_o cor._n 1._o 6._o 7._o zanchius_n speak_v of_o that_o question_n per_fw-la quos_fw-la exerceri_fw-la debet_fw-la excommunicatio_fw-la answer_v thus_o nempe_fw-la per_fw-la ecclesiaâ—_n seu_fw-la per_fw-la ministros_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la nomine_fw-la eoque_fw-la et_fw-la cum_fw-la consensu_fw-la totius_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la promissio_fw-la illa_fw-la quaecunque_fw-la ligaveritis_fw-la ad_fw-la totam_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la est_fw-la facta_fw-la ergo_fw-la etc._n etc._n praeterea_fw-la apostolus_fw-la hoc_fw-la expressius_fw-la declaravit_fw-la 1_o cor._n 5._o congregatis_fw-la vobis_fw-la etc._n etc._n alloquebatur_fw-la autem_fw-la totam_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la patres_fw-la idem_fw-la docent_fw-la cyprianus_n ad_fw-la cornelium_n rom._n episcopum_fw-la seribit_fw-la se_fw-la multum_fw-la laborasse_fw-la apud_fw-la plebem_fw-la ut_fw-la par_fw-fr daretur_fw-la lapsis_fw-la pâ—enitentibus_fw-la si_fw-la ergo_fw-la non_fw-la erat_fw-la unius_fw-la episcopi_fw-la cum_fw-la svo_fw-la presbyterio_n solvere_fw-la quempiam_fw-la sed_fw-la requirebatur_fw-la plebis_fw-la eoque_fw-la totius_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la consensus_fw-la ergo_fw-la neque_fw-la ligari_fw-la quispiam_fw-la poterat_fw-la id_fw-la est_fw-la excommunicari_fw-la sine_fw-la totius_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la consensu_fw-la augustinus_n etiam_fw-la contra_fw-la donatistas_n ait_fw-la supersedendum_fw-la esse_fw-la excommunicatione_n quando_fw-la tota_fw-la plebs_fw-la laborant_fw-la eodem_fw-la merbo_fw-la quid_fw-la ita_fw-la causam_fw-la adfert_fw-la quia_fw-la inquit_fw-la non_fw-la assentientur_fw-la excommunicationi_fw-la etc._n etc._n satis_fw-la aperte_fw-la docet_fw-la tunc_fw-la temporis_fw-la non_fw-la solitum_fw-la fuisse_fw-la excommunicationem_fw-la ferri_fw-la in_o quempiam_fw-la sine_fw-la totius_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la consensu_fw-la et_fw-la ratio_fw-la est_fw-la in_o promptu_fw-la quae_fw-la enim_fw-la adomnes_n pertinent_a eum_fw-la consensu_fw-la omnium_fw-la fieri_fw-la debent_fw-la ergo_fw-la sine_fw-la totius_fw-la
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