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the_o several_a testimony_n to_o the_o contrary_a of_o s._n ambrose_n s._n hierom_n john_n patriarch_n of_o constantiople_n s._n augustine_n optatus_n etc._n etc._n particular_o examine_v and_o all_o find_v short_a of_o prove_v that_o the_o roman_a church_n be_v the_o catholic_n church_n the_o several_a answer_n of_o his_o lordship_n to_o the_o testimony_n of_o s._n cyprian_n s._n hierom_n s._n greg._n nazianzen_n s._n cyril_n and_o ruffinus_n about_o the_o infallibility_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n justify_v from_o all_o which_o it_o appear_v that_o the_o make_v the_o roman_a church_n to_o be_v the_o catholic_n be_v a_o great_a novelty_n and_o perfect_a jesuitism_n p._n 289._o chap._n ii_o protestant_n no_o schismatic_n schism_n a_o culpable_a separation_n therefore_o the_o question_n of_o schism_n must_v be_v determine_v by_o inquire_v into_o the_o cause_n of_o it_o the_o plea_n from_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v once_o a_o right_a church_n consider_v no_o necessity_n of_o 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discourse_n which_o can_v be_v no_o high_o then_o of_o macrobius_n from_o encolpius_n encolpius_n from_o bonifacius_n ballitanus_fw-la as_o he_o from_o victor_n garbiensis_fw-la who_o be_v send_v over_o on_o purpose_n from_o the_o donatist_n in_o africa_n to_o make_v a_o faction_n and_o a_o party_n at_o rome_n ibid._n among_o the_o african_a inhabitant_n there_o now_o this_o be_v the_o utmost_a succession_n they_o can_v pretend_v to_o and_o that_o be_v in_o opposition_n to_o that_o succession_n which_o be_v derive_v from_o st._n peter_n nothing_o can_v be_v more_o plain_a than_o that_o at_o rome_n about_o which_o the_o contest_v be_v the_o cathedra_fw-la can_v not_o belong_v to_o the_o donatist_n but_o their_o adversary_n and_o therefore_o that_o be_v by_o parmenianus_n acknowledge_v one_o of_o the_o dowry_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n the_o title_n of_o that_o can_v not_o belong_v to_o the_o donatist_n but_o their_o opposer_n this_o therefore_o do_v not_o at_o all_o concern_v 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