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as_o for_o the_o bond_n of_o unity_n i_o hope_v by_o my_o piece_n against_o the_o separation_n you_o will_v conceive_v i_o to_o be_v one_o who_o will_v hold_v it_o firm_a with_o you_o in_o this_o point_n i_o leave_v you_o to_o your_o own_o light_n and_o shall_v conclude_v with_o the_o word_n of_o cyprian_a though_o some_o may_v say_v i_o be_o in_o a_o error_n as_o he_o be_v manente_fw-la concordiae_fw-la vinâ—ulo_fw-la &_o perseverante_fw-la catholicae_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la individuâ—_fw-la sacramento_n 52._o ep._n 52._o actum_fw-la suum_fw-la disponit_fw-la &_o dirigit_fw-la unusquisque_fw-la episcopus_fw-la raâ—iâ—nem_fw-la prepâ—fiti_fw-la svi_fw-la domino_fw-la redditurus_fw-la finis_fw-la to_o the_o reader_n i_o have_v but_o three_o hour_n liberty_n and_o that_o in_o the_o night_n to_o run_v over_o my_o book_n and_o correct_v it_o i_o do_v not_o observe_v many_o fault_n which_o will_v trouble_v the_o sense_n those_o i_o leave_v to_o the_o courteous_a reader_n to_o correct_v these_o among_o other_o i_o observe_v pag._n 10._o l._n 21._o r._n propriè_fw-la l._n 22._o r._n covenant_n for_o council_n p._n 22._o â—undem_fw-la p._n 43._o for_o smith_n r._n say_v
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