Selected quad for the lemma: church_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
church_n	learned_a	pastor_n	reverend_n	3,088	5	16.4121	5	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A55393	Quo warranto, or, A moderate enquiry into the warrantablenesse of the preaching of gifted and unordained persons where also some other questions are discussed : viz. concerning [brace] ministerial relation, election, ordination : being a vindication of the late Jus divinum ministerii evangeliei ... from the exceptions of Mr. John Martin, Mr. Sam. Pette, Mr. Frederick Woodal ... in their late book, intituled The preacher sent / by Matthew Poole ...	Poole, Matthew, 1624-1679.	1659 (1659)	Wing P2850; ESTC R33938	110,108	175

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therefore_o be_v a_o minister_n of_o the_o church-catholick_n and_o not_o only_o of_o his_o particular_a congregation_n p._n 281_o etc._n etc._n let_v we_o now_o hear_v what_o our_o brethren_n have_v to_o answer_n 1._o they_o say_v we_o see_v no_o absurdity_n in_o say_v that_o a_o minister_n preach_v to_o some_o as_o a_o officer_n and_o at_o the_o same_o time_n preach_v to_o other_o not_o as_o a_o officer_n reply_v 1_o this_o be_v a_o conceit_n for_o which_o there_o be_v no_o shadow_n in_o the_o scripture_n nay_o it_o be_v not_o only_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d but_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d not_o only_o without_o but_o against_o the_o evidence_n of_o scripture_n minister_n wherever_o or_o to_o whosoever_o they_o do_v the_o work_n of_o ambassador_n whosoever_o they_o beseech_v to_o be_v reconcile_v to_o they_o they_o act_n as_o ambassador_n and_o who_o sin_n soever_o they_o remit_v doctrinal_o which_o be_v a_o act_n of_o office_n they_o be_v remit_v and_o who_o sin_n soever_o 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