Selected quad for the lemma: church_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
church_n	heaven_n	militant_a	triumphant_a	5,104	5	10.5854	5	true

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A14657	The svmme of a dispvtation betweene Mr. VValker, pastor of St. Iohn Euanglists [sic] in Watling-street London, and a popish priest calling himselfe Mr. Smith, but indeed Norrice assisted by other priests and papists : held in the presence of some worthy knights, with other gentlemen of both religions.	Walker, George, 1581?-1651.; S. N. (Sylvester Norris), 1572-1630.	1624 (1624)	STC 24960.5; ESTC S2955	22,486	46

you_o our_o king_n will_v marry_v his_o son_n and_o ask_v the_o pope_n no_o leave_n if_o the_o other_o party_n will_v adventure_v it_o as_o well_o as_o he_o it_o be_v most_o intolerable_a that_o you_o shall_v so_o bold_o slander_v his_o majesty_n second_o for_o the_o term_n of_o my_o question_n which_o you_o call_v unmannerly_a they_o be_v the_o same_o which_o it_o please_v god_n spirit_n to_o use_v in_o the_o holy_a scripture_n and_o his_o holiness_n have_v in_o his_o wisdom_n be_v please_v to_o style_v the_o pope_n and_o church_n of_o rome_n by_o the_o same_o title_n as_o i_o shall_v quick_o prove_v if_o you_o will_v undertake_v to_o answer_v i_o and_o therefore_o you_o be_v too_o bold_a to_o tax_v god_n spirit_n of_o unmannerliness_n but_o perhaps_o this_o be_v a_o shift_n of_o you_o to_o put_v off_o our_o disputation_n upon_o these_o point_n which_o pay_v you_o home_o with_o a_o cleanly_a excuse_n of_o unmannerly_a term_n yet_o it_o shall_v not_o serve_v your_o turn_n for_o the_o more_o unseemly_a that_o the_o question_n be_v the_o more_o disgrace_n it_o will_v be_v to_o i_o and_o the_o more_o hard_a task_n to_o prove_v they_o and_o to_o you_o it_o will_v be_v more_o credit_n and_o ease_v to_o defend_v the_o contrary_a so_o that_o this_o be_v no_o excuse_n for_o you_o at_o all_o three_o in_o that_o you_o do_v charge_v we_o here_o at_o home_o so_o manifest_o contrary_a to_o common_a sense_n that_o we_o have_v neither_o church_n nor_o faith_n when_o as_o we_o believe_v and_o profess_v all_o holy_a truth_n teach_v in_o the_o holy_a scripture_n which_o by_o yourselves_o can_v be_v deny_v to_o be_v god_n infallible_a word_n but_o i_o pray_v you_o let_v we_o leave_v all_o loose_a and_o idle_a discourse_n and_o come_v to_o a_o strict_a form_n of_o disputation_n write_v down_o the_o argument_n and_o answer_n which_o do_v pass_v between_o us._n your_o task_n which_o you_o have_v undertake_v be_v to_o prove_v that_o we_o have_v no_o church_n nor_o faith_n let_v we_o hear_v your_o argument_n brief_o mr._n smith_n well_o that_o we_o may_v come_v quick_o and_o close_o come_v home_o to_o the_o matter_n let_v i_o ask_v you_o a_o question_n and_o do_v you_o answer_v i_o that_o i_o may_v ground_v my_o argument_n upon_o your_o own_o word_n and_o i_o shall_v quick_o prove_v against_o you_o my_o assertion_n and_o make_v the_o truth_n of_o it_o plain_o appear_v first_o i_o ask_v whether_o the_o true_a catholic_a church_n be_v visible_a m._n walker_n the_o true_a catholic_a church_n be_v not_o visible_a neither_o can_v it_o be_v see_v with_o eye_n of_o any_o mortal_a man_n on_o earth_n m._n smith_n mark_v gentleman_n he_o will_v deny_v this_o canon_n he_o say_v the_o catholic_a church_n be_v not_o visible_a which_o i_o will_v prove_v to_o be_v against_o all_o reason_n mr._n walker_n indeed_o if_o i_o shall_v say_v that_o it_o be_v visible_a consider_v it_o as_o it_o now_o be_v i_o shall_v speak_v against_o all_o reason_n for_o the_o great_a part_n of_o it_o be_v saint_n in_o heaven_n be_v without_o the_o reach_n of_o man_n eye_n and_o can_v be_v see_v mr._n smith_n you_o do_v but_o equivocate_v of_o purpose_n to_o decline_v all_o disputation_n you_o know_v that_o i_o mean_v not_o the_o church_n triumphant_a in_o heaven_n but_o the_o catholic_a church_n militant_a on_o earth_n mr._n walker_n nay_o rather_o do_v you_o equivocate_v or_o worse_o for_o to_o say_v that_o the_o catholic_a church_n be_v militant_a on_o earth_n be_v as_o absurd_a as_o to_o say_v that_o all_o mankind_n even_o the_o whole_a universal_a race_n of_o adam_n be_v now_o live_v on_o earth_n when_o reason_n and_o experience_n teach_v we_o that_o the_o great_a part_n be_v dead_a and_o many_o also_o yet_o unborn_a i_o hope_v you_o know_v that_o the_o word_n catholic_a signify_v universal_a and_o therefore_o the_o catholic_a church_n be_v universal_a company_n of_o the_o elect_a and_o faithful_a and_o include_v in_o it_o every_o one_o whosoever_o have_v be_v or_o be_v or_o shall_v be_v hereafter_o a_o true_a believe_a member_n of_o christ_n and_o a●l_v they_o can_v be_v see_v at_o once_o on_o earth_n because_o they_o never_o be_v altogether_o on_o earth_n the_o militant_a number_n of_o they_o on_o earth_n be_v the_o least_o part_n of_o they_o mr._n smith_n you_o do_v wrangle_v to_o avoid_v disputation_n i_o therefore_o tell_v you_o that_o by_o the_o catholic_a militant_a church_n i_o understand_v the_o true_a church_n of_o jesus_n christ_n which_o all_o true_a christian_n here_o on_o earth_n ought_v to_o hear_v and_o obey_v as_o it_o be_v the_o pillar_n and_o ground_n of_o tru●h_n now_o answer_v whether_o you_o hold_v that_o to_o be_v visible_a or_o invisible_a m._n walker_n i_o judge_v of_o your_o meaning_n by_o your_o word_n and_o therefore_o i_o can_v conceive_v this_o church_n which_o you_o do_v speak_v of_o to_o be_v the_o catholic_a that_o be_v the_o universal_a church_n for_o every_o true_a particular_a church_n in_o which_o every_o true_a christian_a do_v love_n and_o whereof_o he_o be_v a_o member_n be_v that_o which_o he_o ought_v to_o hear_v and_o to_o obey_v because_o by_o reason_n of_o the_o faithful_a and_o elect_v which_o be_v in_o it_o it_o be_v the_o house_n of_o god_n and_o the_o pillar_n and_o firmament_n of_o truth_n now_o every_o such_o church_n be_v partly_o visible_a and_o partly_o invisible_a m._n smith_n how_o be_v it_o visible_a and_o how_o be_v it_o invisible_a mr._n walker_n every_o such_o true_a church_n have_v in_o it_o elect_v and_o faithful_a man_n profess_v outward_o in_o word_n and_o practice_v true_a christian_a religion_n who_o do_v belong_v to_o the_o catholic_a church_n and_o be_v true_a lively_a member_n of_o christ_n it_o have_v also_o some_o hypocrite_n and_o carnal_a professor_n which_o do_v also_o make_v a_o outward_a show_n and_o profession_n of_o christianity_n but_o be_v not_o true_o ingraff_v into_o christ_n by_o union_n and_o communion_n of_o the_o spirit_n neither_o have_v the_o true_a holy_a save_a faith_n and_o by_o consequent_a be_v not_o member_n of_o the_o true_a catholic_a church_n now_o the_o man_n who_o profess_v religion_n in_o the_o church_n and_o be_v the_o member_n of_o it_o if_o we_o consider_v they_o as_o they_o be_v man_n and_o as_o they_o practise_v and_o perform_v outward_a duty_n of_o christian_n as_o preach_v and_o hear_v of_o the_o word_n administer_a and_o receive_v the_o sacrament_n public_a outward_a worship_n and_o such_o like_a they_o be_v visible_a but_o as_o for_o the_o election_n faith_n spiritual_a and_o in_o word_n grace_n and_o devotion_n in_o the_o one_o sort_n by_o which_o they_o be_v indeed_o true_a christian_n &_o belong_v to_o the_o catholic_a church_n and_o the_o hypocrisy_n and_o carnal_a corruption_n lurk_v inward_o in_o the_o other_o sort_n by_o mean_n whereof_o they_o be_v separate_v from_o communion_n with_o christ_n in_o spirit_n they_o be_v thing_n invisible_a and_o to_o be_v discern_v spiritual_o not_o with_o bodily_a eye_n thus_o every_o true_a church_n be_v partly_o invisible_a to_o wit_n in_o respect_n of_o the_o spiritual_a grace_n which_o make_v man_n true_a christian_n indeed_o and_o partly_o visible_a to_o wit_n in_o respect_n of_o the_o outward_a profession_n common_a both_o to_o elect_v and_o reprobate_n to_o faithful_a man_n and_o hypocrite_n mr._n smith_n no_o soon_o be_v the_o answer_n give_v but_o mr._n smith_n as_o one_o full_a of_o anger_n protest_v with_o vehemency_n of_o word_n that_o now_o he_o see_v indeed_o there_o be_v neither_o church_n nor_o faith_n among_o protestant_n they_o be_v all_o so_o contrary_a among_o themselves_o never_o agree_v together_o in_o any_o opinion_n he_o affirm_v to_o the_o stander_n by_o that_o doctor_n whitaker_n doctor_n reignolds_n mr._n perkins_n and_o many_o other_o chief_a protestant_n do_v ever_o grant_v that_o the_o true_a catholic_a church_n be_v visible_a another_o priest_n sit_v by_o scornful_o repeat_v the_o name_n of_o perkins_n and_o speak_v of_o he_o as_o of_o a_o poor_a silly_a man_n not_o worthy_a to_o be_v count_v among_o the_o learned_a mr._n walker_n mr_n walker_n move_v with_o the_o falsehood_n of_o the_o one_o and_o the_o scorn_n of_o the_o other_o first_o answer_v the_o scorner_n that_o none_o can_v count_v mr._n perkins_n silly_a and_o unlearned_a but_o either_o out_o of_o ignorance_n or_o wilful_a malice_n and_o that_o he_o know_v it_o to_o be_v the_o fashion_n of_o popish_a priest_n outward_o to_o sleight_n &_o vilify_v before_o the_o people_n such_o as_o do_v most_o cut_v and_o gall_v they_o to_o mr._n smith_n he_o answer_v that_o if_o he_o will_v grant_v that_o protestant_n have_v a_o true_a church_n and_o the_o true_a faith_n as_o true_o as_o that_o which_o he_o affirm_v of_o doctor_n whitaker_n and_o the_o rest_n be_v false_a

desire_v to_o hear_v mr._n walker_n dispute_v upon_o his_o question_n which_o when_o mr._n smith_n seem_v loath_a to_o yield_v unto_o as_o be_v weary_a already_o mr._n walker_n desire_v that_o he_o may_v but_o turn_v one_o argument_n against_o mr._n smith_n question_n and_o prove_v the_o contrary_a to_o be_v true_a to_o this_o all_o assent_v and_o the_o gentleman_n who_o begin_v to_o distrust_v his_o former_a profess_a popery_n come_v to_o mr._n walker_n and_o stand_v at_o his_o back_n desire_v he_o to_o press_v one_o argument_n against_o mr._n smith_n question_n whereupon_o mr._n walker_n thus_o begin_v to_o prove_v that_o a_o true_a christian_a church_n may_v err_v for_o a_o time_n in_o some_o fundamental_a point_n and_o yet_o be_v a_o true_a church_n mr._n walker_n that_o which_o the_o ancient_a apostolical_a church_n may_v do_v other_o succeed_a church_n may_v do_v with_o the_o same_o success_n the_o apostolical_a church_n may_v err_v and_o do_v err_v in_o a_o main_a point_n and_o yet_o have_v a_o true_a faith_n and_o be_v a_o true_a church_n ergo_fw-la other_o church_n also_o mr._n smith_n i_o deny_v the_o minor_a the_o apostolical_a church_n do_v not_o err_v in_o any_o main_a point_n mr._n walker_n the_o resurrection_n of_o christ_n from_o the_o dead_a teach_v in_o the_o scripture_n be_v a_o fundamental_a point_n of_o faith_n the_o apostolic_a church_n do_v err_v in_o it_o ergo_fw-la mr._n smith_n deny_v the_o minor_a mr._n walker_n prove_v it_o thus_o that_o which_o the_o gospel_n teach_v in_o express_a word_n be_v true_a this_o the_o gospel_n teach_v that_o the_o apostle_n err_v in_o christ_n resurrection_n ergo._fw-la mr._n smith_n if_o you_o say_v that_o they_o err_v in_o the_o resurrection_n de_fw-fr facto_fw-la that_o be_v concern_v the_o act_n of_o it_o i_o grant_v the_o minor_a but_o if_o you_o speak_v of_o the_o resurrection_n as_o it_o be_v a_o point_n of_o faith_n i_o deny_v your_o minor_a mr._n walker_n you_o distinguish_v strange_o between_o a_o thing_n and_o itself_o for_o the_o very_a act_n of_o christ_n resurrection_n be_v a_o point_n of_o faith_n without_o which_o our_o faith_n be_v vain_a as_o the_o apostle_n say_v 1_o cor._n 15._o 17._o mr._n smith_n it_o be_v now_o a_o point_n of_o faith_n but_o it_o be_v not_o then_o because_o the_o scripture_n have_v not_o express_o reveal_v that_o christ_n shall_v rise_v from_o death_n mr._n walker_n that_o which_o christ_n have_v express_o teach_v by_o word_n of_o mouth_n be_v thereby_o make_v a_o point_n of_o faith_n and_o they_o be_v bind_v to_o believe_v but_o he_o have_v tell_v they_o that_o he_o must_v suffer_v and_o rise_v again_o the_o three_o day_n and_o that_o in_o plain_a word_n as_o the_o gospel_n testify_v ergo._fw-la here_o some_o of_o the_o gentleman_n say_v that_o the_o point_n be_v sufficient_o prove_v mr._n smith_n but_o i_o deny_v that_o the_o apostle_n err_v in_o the_o resurrection_n show_v i_o that_o out_o of_o the_o gospel_n mr._n walker_n it_o be_v testify_v joh._n 20._o 9_o that_o they_o know_v not_o the_o scripture_n that_o he_o must_v rise_v from_o the_o dead_a loe_o thus_o it_o be_v testify_v in_o your_o own_o vulgar_a latin_a bible_n mr._n smith_n i_o say_v still_o that_o the_o scripture_n have_v not_o reveal_v it_o sufficient_o and_o therefore_o it_o be_v no_o point_n of_o faith_n mr._n walker_n the_o text_n show_v that_o the_o scripture_n have_v reveal_v for_o else_o how_o can_v it_o true_o say_v that_o they_o know_v not_o the_o scripture_n if_o the_o scripture_n have_v not_o teach_v it_o it_o be_v no_o ignorance_n of_o scripture_n not_o to_o know_v what_o the_o scripture_n never_o teach_v sir_n william_n harrington_n o_o well_o say_v i_o protest_v i_o never_o hear_v any_o point_n so_o plain_o prove_v and_o then_o turn_v himself_o to_o the_o waver_a gentleman_n say_v now_o cousin_n if_o ever_o thou_o will_v be_v convert_v be_v convert_v with_o these_o proof_n mr._n walker_n but_o yet_o i_o will_v prove_v it_o more_o full_o luk._n 24._o 44._o 45._o our_o saviour_n there_o say_v that_o he_o have_v tell_v they_o before_o that_o he_o must_v die_v and_o rise_v again_o and_o that_o it_o be_v write_v in_o the_o law_n of_o moses_n and_o in_o the_o prophet_n and_o in_o the_o psalm_n and_o it_o be_v say_v there_o that_o he_o open_v their_o understanding_n that_o they_o may_v understand_v the_o scripture_n mr._n smith_n this_o be_v a_o error_n of_o ignorance_n or_o forgetfulness_n for_o want_v of_o instruction_n and_o exercise_n in_o the_o word_n which_o succeed_a church_n have_v more_o abundant_o mr._n walker_n you_o cavil_v against_o common_a sense_n for_o i_o dispute_v not_o whence_o this_o error_n proceed_v but_o whether_o they_o err_v in_o that_o main_a point_n of_o the_o resurrection_n or_o not_o and_o that_o you_o can_v deny_v so_o that_o the_o point_n be_v full_o prove_v which_o i_o undertake_v again_o i_o can_v show_v you_o yet_o further_o that_o christ_n have_v instruct_v they_o in_o the_o scripture_n and_o from_o his_o own_o mouth_n it_o can_v not_o be_v for_o want_v of_o instruction_n that_o they_o err_v but_o this_o error_n proceed_v from_o incredulity_n and_o hardness_n of_o heart_n in_o they_o so_o it_o appear_v mark_n 16._o 14._o where_o it_o be_v say_v that_o our_o saviour_n appear_v to_o the_o eleven_o apostle_n and_o upbraid_v they_o with_o their_o incredulity_n and_o hardness_n of_o heart_n because_o they_o believe_v not_o they_o which_o have_v see_v he_o after_o he_o be_v rise_v another_o priest_n mr._n smith_n be_v put_v to_o silence_n with_o those_o proof_n the_o other_o priest_n to_o make_v up_o this_o breach_n flee_v to_o another_o shift_n and_o deny_v the_o apostle_n to_o have_v be_v a_o church_n at_o that_o time_n because_o the_o holy_a ghost_n be_v not_o yet_o come_v down_o nor_o the_o evangelicall_a law_n reveal_v mr._n walker_n upon_o this_o mr._n walker_n first_o speak_v to_o the_o waver_a gentleman_n and_o ask_v he_o whether_o he_o think_v it_o not_o well_o for_o he_o to_o be_v of_o such_o a_o church_n as_o st._n peter_n be_v when_o christ_n say_v math._n 16._o happy_a be_v thou_o simon_n etc._n etc._n and_o upon_o this_o rock_n i_o will_v build_v my_o church_n who_o answer_v that_o he_o desire_v to_o be_v of_o no_o better_a church_n second_o he_o proceed_v thus_o the_o kingdom_n of_o god_n which_o come_v by_o the_o preach_a of_o the_o gospel_n be_v the_o true_a church_n but_o that_o be_v come_v already_o as_o our_o saviour_n himself_o testify_v matth._n 11._o 28._o and_o luk._n 11._o 20._o it_o be_v a_o base_a shift_n to_o say_v that_o the_o come_n down_o of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n make_v they_o a_o church_n for_o his_o extraordinary_a gift_n come_v not_o to_o make_v they_o christian_n and_o member_n of_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n but_o to_o make_v they_o fit_a messenger_n to_o preach_v to_o all_o nation_n and_o to_o every_o people_n in_o their_o proper_a tongue_n but_o if_o all_o this_o will_v not_o convince_v you_o let_v we_o know_v who_o be_v the_o church_n in_o those_o day_n if_o the_o apostle_n be_v not_o peter_n have_v receive_v that_o commission_n and_o promise_n long_o before_o upon_o which_o you_o build_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n if_o it_o be_v not_o then_o able_a to_o make_v he_o of_o the_o church_n how_o can_v it_o now_o uphold_v your_o church_n against_o all_o the_o gate_n of_o hell_n now_o then_o to_o conclude_v i_o beseech_v you_o as_o you_o love_v your_o soul_n take_v heed_n of_o sin_v against_o your_o own_o conscience_n and_o of_o rebel_n against_o the_o light_n you_o know_v that_o the_o apostle_n be_v elect_v from_o all_o eternity_n they_o be_v effectual_o call_v by_o christ_n himself_o not_o only_o to_o believe_v and_o to_o be_v christian_n and_o open_a professor_n but_o also_o to_o be_v apostle_n and_o preacher_n and_o by_o the_o gospel_n preach_v and_o miracle_n wrought_v they_o have_v convert_v many_o to_o the_o faith_n as_o the_o gospel_n testify_v and_o therefore_o nothing_o be_v want_v in_o they_o which_o be_v require_v to_o the_o essence_n of_o a_o christian_a church_n undoubted_o they_o be_v a_o true_a church_n and_o to_o deny_v this_o be_v to_o resist_v the_o manifest_a truth_n of_o the_o gospel_n thus_o the_o disputation_n end_v for_o the_o priest_n do_v not_o give_v any_o answer_n but_o be_v very_o willing_a to_o make_v a_o end_n the_o protestant_a gentleman_n seem_v well_o satisfy_v and_o make_v they_o ready_a to_o depart_v and_o one_o of_o the_o roman_a catholic_n call_v mr._n walker_n aside_o begin_v to_o colloque_n and_o flatter_v with_o he_o tell_v he_o that_o he_o be_v a_o good_a logician_n a_o good_a linguist_n and_o well_o read_v and_o that_o god_n have_v give_v he_o a_o sharp_a wit_n and_o ready_a tongue_n and_o therefore_o no_o marvel_n though_o he_o prevail_v and_o make_v a_o good_a cause_n seem_v bad_a when_o he_o oppose_v it_o and_o a_o bad_a seem_v good_a when_o he_o defend_v it_o but_o say_v he_o take_v heed_n that_o you_o do_v not_o trust_v to_o your_o wit_n and_o learning_n too_o much_o lest_o they_o deceive_v you_o and_o make_v you_o triumph_n over_o the_o truth_n to_o he_o mr._n walker_n answer_v that_o he_o know_v himself_o inferior_a to_o many_o hundred_o in_o the_o church_n of_o england_n that_o it_o be_v not_o any_o power_n in_o himself_o but_o the_o power_n of_o the_o true_a cause_n which_o make_v he_o to_o prevail_v for_o magnus_fw-la est_fw-la veritas_fw-la &_o praevalebit_fw-la great_a be_v truth_n and_o will_v prevail_v a_o gentleman_n overhear_v laugh_v and_o say_v i_o be_o glad_a that_o you_o find_v some_o of_o our_o minister_n more_o learned_a than_o your_o priest_n contrary_a to_o your_o common_a brag_a and_o boast_v that_o all_o learning_n be_v among_o your_o priest_n and_o jesuit_n and_o so_o they_o part_v mr._n smith_n alias_o norrice_n embrace_v mr._n walker_n and_o say_v i_o pray_v god_n we_o may_v meet_v in_o heaven_n and_o mr._n walker_n reply_v and_o say_v i_o desire_v so_o also_o and_o hope_v we_o shall_v so_o do_v if_o you_o will_v forsake_v your_o error_n and_o embrace_v the_o truth_n which_o be_v profess_v in_o the_o reform_a church_n of_o christ_n soli_fw-la deo_fw-la gloria_fw-la finis_fw-la math._n 13._o 4._o 16._o 12._o