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A03269 An answere to a popish ryme, lately scattered abroad in the west parts, and much relyed vpon by some simply-seduced. By Samuel Hieron, minister of the word of God, at Modbury in Deuon Hieron, Samuel, 1576?-1617.; Marlorat, Augustin, 1506-1562. Catholike and ecclesiasticall exposition of the holy gospell after S. Marke and Luke. 1604 (1604) STC 13388; ESTC S119038 35,551 44

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c. In Rome we this fulfilled see I say Continuance is no signe To proue a Church to be diuine We may not thinke eche doctrine sure Which doth for many yeeres endure x It is true that the truth shall continue but yet it holdes not backwarde that whatsoeuer continueth is Trueth The Deuill is a lyer from the beginning Must not the Tares be let to grow Till it be time the corne to mowe y Math. 13.30 And Antichrist shall long time stay Euen till the very Iudgement day z 2. Thes 2.8 The Arrian Heresie yeeres did stand Two hundred more then one thousand a Yea and it was so generally receyued that it was sayd the whole world was become an Arrian And so since Mahomet first was séene A thousand yeeres haue nombred béene Romes name endures but Rome is chang'd And hath from Christ it selfe estrang'd Quit thou Rome from Apostacy Or name not perpetuity Pauls wordes do prooue b Ephe. 4.11 c. that certeinly The Church shall haue a Ministry And that there shal be some to féed The Flocke of Christ at euery néed But that these Pastors here or there Shall alwayes sit in beautie cléere This fond Conceipt not one poore word The holy Scripture doth affoord In déed in Rome there diuers bée That beare the name of Prelacy Better we Pilates may them call Séeking the Churches funerall You call your Pope a Shepheard great But where is his Spirituall Meate I do not heare that hee doth preach That would his greatnes much impeach Such are his carnall Cardinals Or rather bloudy Canibals c The people that liue vpon mans flesh They eate the Fatte and skin the Flocke And liue vpon the Churches stocke An idle signe a Shepherds Crooke In hand they beare d Their Pastoral staffe made in fashion of a Shepheards crooke but can not brooke To preach the word a Pastors grace That duty fittes not their high place The key of knowledge they withdraw e Luke 11.52 And from Gods people steale f Ieremy 23.30 Gods Law g They teach traditions to be equally reuerēced as the Scriptures Con. Trid. ses 4. dec 1. And mens deuies on them thrust Making them vnto Fancies trust These are Romes Pastors wofull shéepe Which left are to the Wolues to kéepe Thou Shepheard great Byshop chiefe h 1. Pet. 2.25 5.4 Come quickly i Reuel 22.20 quell this Romish thiefe Visible THou tell'st a tale incredible How that Gods Church is visible And by the Byshops Catalogue Wouldst prooue thy Romish Synagogue The errors here together lap 't By which the simple are entrap't All which your fained Church doth hold I meane in order to vnfold The Catholike Church defin'd aright Cannot be subiect to our sight It is th' Elected Company k 1. Pet. 2.9 And Christ his chosen Family l Ephe. 3.15 Of this one part in heauen liues m Called the Church Triumphant The other here with Sathan striues n Termed the Church Militant The part aboue you le not deny With mortall eyes none can descry The same is true of that below It is vnséene by vs also How with mine eyes I might discerne And sée th' Elect faine would I learne Vpon their persons we may looke Whose names are written in Gods booke o The Booke of life Phil. 4.3 But as for their spirituall Being It is a thing doth passe our séeing Partes of Christs church you Papists make Euen those whom God will quite forsake p So doeth Belarmine lib. 3. de Eccl. Cap. 7. the Rhemists in their annotations vpon Io. 15.1 Which if the matter well be scand Cannot with any Scripture stand Of the true Church Christ is the Head q Eph. 1.22 In him can be no members dead r They are called liuing stones 1. Pet. 2.5 His Church a Garden s Cant. 4.12 closed well In which no Reprobates can dwell t So August applyeth the place contra Cres Gram. lib. 2. and Gregory the great who was a Bishop of Rome in his Commentary vpon that place So that if fitly we will speake The ground you lay is very weake In calling it a Marke most cléere That Gods true Church must still appéere Of Churches nam'd in seuerall In Cities or els Nationall We yeeld sometime they may be séene Though sometime they are darkened cleane Sometime the Moone with chéerefull light Shines in the height of Heauen bright u Aug. vseth that Similitude in Psalm 9. and Epist 48. and Ambrose Hex 4. C. 8. Sometime with Cloudes t is ouerspred And in the Wane cleane vanished So is the Church in safety still Although not alway visible Sometimes it sittes in glory great Sometime it hath no certaine Seat The Woman which to Desert fled From Sathans rage to hide her head w Apoc. 12.6 By all the Learneds full consent The Church on earth doth represent The famous Church of Israel Where God did promise still to dwell x Psal 132.14 Was drownd so in Idolatry And superstitious slauery That all true worship being gone Elias thought himselfe alone y 1. King 19.10 And when Christ comes to iudge vs all Then Fayth on earth shal be but small z Luke 18.8 How is the Church a City then a Math. 5.14 Rais'd on a Mount and séene of men And how a light set vp on hye That all that will may it espye How shall we to the Church complaine b Math. 18.17 If of the Church no shew remaine This is thy Popish reasoning And Scriptures playne misconstruing Christ doth the Apostles counsell giue The true meaning of those places Soundly to preach and well to liue Because their places were in sight And 't was their Office to giue light They erring many might misse-lead Which in their steps might hap to tread If that their Doctrine were vnsound In falsehood many might bee drownd It was in vaine for them to wéene In doing yll not to be séene You are sayth Christ vpon a Mount To be well markt make full account c Thus Chry. and Theophilact expound this place Paideusi antous enagonious einai cai acribeis peri ton bion os para panton blepesthe mellontas This sheweth wherein our duety stands And what God lookes for at our hands Who call'd are to the Ministry To labour in Gods Husbandry d 1. Cor. 3.9 But from hence how may prooued bée The Churches visibility This place affoords a slender proofe And litle for the Popes behoofe Yet you perhaps will vrge it still The Pastors are set on a Hyll And called Light euen so say I But all men can them not descry For those which want spirituall eyes e Eph. 1.18 Nor are by searching f Iohn 5.39 Scriptures wise g Eph. 5.15 17. This mounted City can not sée Nor where these lightsome Pastors bée h This was the answere of Aug.
Rome was conuerted As for example let mee know And if thou canst I pray thée show What Church did take in hand The first conuersion of this Land e The Apostles Church for ought you can proue to the contrary And all other countries euery where Throughout the world farre and neere f Who but a Papist would dare to say this If this were not the Church of Rome Then will I be conuerted soone g You build your Faith vpon a very sure groūd Saint Paul in his Epistle fayth h Did Paul say that Rome should neuer deny the Fayth The Romanes had the Catholique Fayth Saying it was renowned Spoken of or published Through the world ouer all Catholique Vniuersall And if your Churches were euen so i Our Church is a part of the Catholique Church disproue it if you can Then to your Churches I would go k You may come to our Churches the Pope giueth you leaue so that you keepe your heartes to him Prophets SO sayth the Prophet Malachy There should be offred farre and nye A cleane Oblation or Sacrifice l When you read Altar and Sacrifice you thinke strait that makes for the Masse not knowing or not seeming to know the language of the Scripture From place where now the Sun doeth rise To the going downe of the same And what is that I pray thée name If it be not the holy Masse I will be a Protestant as I was m If thou hadst bene of vs thou wouldest haue continued with vs 1. Iob. 2.19 In the eightéenth Psalme I found The whole world should heare their sound n Namely of the Apostles and their doctrine proue our Doctrine to disagree with theirs And it this marke you doe not want Presently I will recant Continuance THis is another marke most sure The Fayth of Christ must still endure o Christes Fayth must endure therfore Rome is the true Church A hote Argument According as our Sauiour sayd When for Saint Peter hee had prayd Simon thy Fayth shall neuer fayle The gates of Hell shall not preuayle The holy Ghost your Comforter Shall remayne with you for euer And I my selfe your surest friend Will be with you vnto the end Saint Paul hath the like speach There shall be alwayes men to preach Apostles p Some say they are Apostles and are not Re. 2.2 Doctours and the like In the Church Catholike If this be not the Church of Rome q Because you say it we are boūd to beleeue it Then will I be conuerted soone Visible ANother marke there is most cleare The Church of God must still appeare As a City on a hill r Some wrest the Scriptures to their owne destruction 2. Pet. 3.16 Take heed Seene and continue still As a light on a Candlesticke So is the Church Catholique Our Sauiour sayth If one offend And will not be ruled by his friend Tell all the Church without delay s Would you haue vs go to Rome with euery cōplaynt it seemeth so for you tye the Church to that See And if he will not then obay Doe thou estéeme such a man An Heathen or a Publican Is not that the Church wherein we sée Two hundred Bishops thirty thrée To haue succéeded each other Since the time of Saint Peter t You must first prooue that Saint Peter was Bishop of Rome Shew mee this marke in you u Thou thy selfe sayst there haue bene successiuely 63. Bishops in England since Peter then eyther ours is the true Church or else succession of Bishops is no sure marke And I will say your Fayth is true If this be not in the Fayth of Rome Then will I be conuerted soone Vnity ANother marke there is truly The Church must haue Vnity As our Sauiour hath foretold One Shepheard and one Fold One is my Spouse one is my Loue One is my Darling and my Doue This is his Spouse and at some time He doeth resemble it to a Vine His Father is the Husbandman A Branch is euery Christian This is his Body Mysticall The which he doeth his Kingdome call Whereof Saint Peter had the Keyes w What became of the Keyes when Pope Iulius 2. threw them into Tibur And his Successors haue alwayes x As though no body did succeede Peter but the Pope who is rather the successour of Romulus then Peter as Pope Hadrian the fourth said when he dyed And likewise Saint Paul sayth One Baptisme and one Fayth And one Lord IESV Haue no dissention among you If this be not the Church of Rome Then will I be conuerted soone Holy THis you say in very déede When you rehearse the holy Créede y So you say in the Creede that Christ sitteth at the right hand of God and yet you say also he is in body present at the Masse One Church Catholique Holy and Apostolique This is another marke truely The Church of God must be holy Holy men Holy Seruice Ceremonies Sacrifice Sacraments and Holy dayes Are obserued in her alwayes As for the Saints and Martyrs all And Virgins which you Saynts doe call I aske you when they liued and where Whose names are in your Calender In what Religion they dyed By whom they were Canonized z Who made the Pope a Saint-maker Proue that these agrée with you And I will say your Fayth is true If they were not your company a You stand so much vpon Company that you will rather goe to the Deuill then want Company Then is your Fayth an Heresy Heretikes OVr Sauiour warneth vs to haue care Of false Prophets to beware b That makes vs take heed of you Which in his name shall come Not sent yet they shall runne c There bee many of your Church come amongst vs to work mischiefe before you bee sent for Théeues not entring by the Doore d A liuely description of the Popes Clergy That kill and steale and kéepe a stoore Woolues in Shepheards clothing That kill the Soule and steale the tithing Dogges Foxes and Masters of lyes That newe Sects will deuise Bringing in dissention And heape thousands to perdition Where haue you bene this many a yere That none of you durst once appeare Euer since our Sauiours time To whom did your Light shine e To those which had eyes to see it Where did your principall Pastor sit f In Heauen Who kept your keyes who fed your shéep g You haue butchered a good sort of them Shew some Churches you haue built I can shew many you haue spilt How might a man haue found you out To haue tryall in a matter of doubt h You be too proud to learne It is the first lesson you teach your Disciples to admit no conference Where for so many a yeere No such company did appeare Vntill Luther a lying Fryer i If Luther had continued a true Frier he had neuer bene good Vpon whom the
Pope of Rome to bee the head Bishop of the world The general councel of Constantinople ouerthrewe Images The second Nicene councell decreed them to bee worshipped Againe the Councell of Franckfort vnder Charles the great determineth it to be Idolatry accurseth the Nicene councel Many the like differences might easily be alledged That which one Sect q In anno 1476. there was a great controuersy betwixt the Franciscanes Dominicanes touching the conceptiō of the virgin Mary whether she were cōceiued in sin or not The Do held she was the Fra. the contrary but the Pope ioyning with the Fr. 4. of the other were condēned burned at Berne or Author r Alph. de Castro li. 1. c. 6. holds the Pope inferior to the Coūcel The opiniō of al the Iesuites at this day is that he is aboue the Councel About the Eucharist they haue a world of differēces amongst thēselues as whether Christ did consecrate whē he blessed the bread wine or whē he said This is my body whether so much bread as is taken onely be cōsecrated whether the substāce of the bread be turned to nothing or chāged into the substāce of Chr. whether there be a bodily motiō in the Sacra whether the body of Chr. in the Sacr. can be touched how the accidēts in the Sacr. are with out a subiect whether they stick in the aire or in the body of Chr. or in some other subiect whether the accidents can be broken whether they can nourish whether the water mingled with the wine be turned into Christs blood Whence come wormes in the Hoste likes The same another cleane out strikes I know you Papists do agrée To worke the Churches misery So Herode was made s Luke 23.12 Pilates frend To bring our Sauiour to his end Some yéeld as fearing to resist Such is the power of Antichrist You may not call this Vnity But rather bloudy Tyranny Some ioyne because they do not sée The very depth of Poperie To build vpon the Church beliefe Of lay-Religion is the Briefe Some for ease and bellies sake Do to your Church them selues betake As Monkes and such as Loytryng loue Whom none but Romists can approoue This is your Romish Concordance Among your selues at variance Though all for some respects are led To méete together in one Head In one point more I néedes must stay Though nam'd of you but by the way Lest with a Phrase of Peters Keyes You dazell should the peoples eyes By Keyes is meant the power to preach And in Gods Truth the Church to teach t Luke 11.52 By it u Viz. Preaching Heauen 's opened to receiue All those which truely do belieue It is the power to loose and tye Which Christ gaue to the Ministry w Therefore Ministers are sayd both to haue the Ministery of Reconciliation 2. Cor. 5.18 and the Ministery of Vengeance against disobedience 2. Cor. 10.6 It was intended vnto all x Our Lord in the person of one gaue the keyes to all to shew the Vnity of all Cyp. de simp praelatorum and Leo a Bishop of Rome is of the same iudgemēt In Sermone de Natiuitate Though spoke to one in seuerall When to beleeuers we giue Hope Then is the Gate of Heauen set ope When Mercies promise is repeal'd Then by the Keyes that Gate is seal'd y To bind and loose is no other thing but to declare Gods sentence Hieron in Mat. 16. When Peter did his Fayth confesse Th' Apostles by dyd meane no lesse z Austine sayth he answered for all Hom. in Ioh. 124. and elsewhere often Vnus pro multis respondit one made answere for all and Lyranus Confessio Petri erat confessio alienorum And that which Christ to Peter spake We may not from the other take a Cuncti claues Regni c. All receyue the keyes of heauen Hier. lib. 1. aduersus Ioui Each true and faythfull Minister Is Peters rightfull Successer Then speake no more of Peters Keyes Except th' art sworne the Pope to please Holy Why the Church is called Holy THou sayst the Church we holy call And so we do acknowledge all What in the Créede our mouthes confesse Our heartes within beléeue no lesse The Purity decayed before b By Adams fall Vnto his Church Christ doth restore That which is here in lesse degrée The same in heauen shall perfit bée If thou knewst Romes Impurity Thou wouldst bragge of Sanctity A sincke of sinne a Sea of Euill A place possessed of the Deuill c Gallus Senonensis wrote aboue 400 yeres ago that Sathan was let loose at Rome to destroy the church Th. Becket a Romish saint acknowledged the cōmon prouerbe to be true that there is no right at Rome The B. of Worcester a Papist told Philpot that he thoght the wickednes he saw in Rome made him an Heretike Your Popes beare names of Holynes But none more full of Wickednes Let Storyes speake enquire of them What Popes haue worne the Diademe Some Heretikes d Marcellinus Pope sacrificed to the Idols of the Painims Platin. Vola ter Liberius Pope an Arriā Plat. Hiero. in Catal. scrip Eccl. in Chro. Anast 2. Pope an Acatian Plat. Vigil an Eutchyan Liber in breuiario Honorius a Monothelite condēned by the Romane Councell vnder Adrian 2. some Murtherers e Pope Alexander 6. poysoned Gemes the great Turkes brother committed to his custody Hiero. Marius Munst lib. 4. Cosm Pope Hildebrand hired one to kill the Emperor Benno Cardinalis Incestuous some f Iohn 13. Pope committed incest with his two sisters Luith prand lib. 6. Hee was wounded in adultry Platina Alexander 6. lay with his owne daughter Vol. some Sorcerers g Hildebrand so sayth Benno the Card. Pope Siluester 2. gaue himselfe to the Deuill to bee Pope Pla. Ioannes stella many other were Magicians as Iohn 21. Benedict 9. c. Some noted for their Cruelty h Pope Alexander 6. cut off the hands feet of one Mancinellus because he wrote against his filthinesse Iohn 13. cut off the hands and noses of diuers Cardinals Plat. Some for their monstrous Blasphemy i Pope Hildebrand threw the sacrament into the fire Benno Card. Io. 22. derided the gospel held the soules to be mortal was therefore by the Councel of Constance 1. 2. ses 11. called a Deuil incarnat Leo 10. writing to Cardinall Bembus calleth the story of Christ a fable Io. 13. called the deuil to help him at dice drāk to him Luith p. lib. 6 One Pope k Pope Sergius 3. a famous Leuimen l Marozia wife to Guido kept Whose Bastard to the Popedome crept m Iohn 11. or as some count Io. 12. See Plat. and Luithprand Another graunted Liberty To practise beastly Sodomy n Sixtus 4. granted liberty to the whole family of the Cardinall of Saint Lucy in the three hote moneths Iune Iuly August