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A86328 The foundation of the font discovered to the view of all that desire to behold it. And, the baptizing of men and women when they believe (in rivers and fountains) proved to be a standing ordinance in the Church of Cchrist to the end of the world; by plain Scripture-proof. In answer to Mr. Cook's Font uncovered, for infant-baptism; and Mr. Baxter's Plain Scripture-proof for infants church-membership and baptism. With a word sometimes upon occasion to Mr. Hall's Font-guarded; which is more fully answered by Thomas Collyer. By Henry Haggar, a servant of Christ, and the congregations of his saints. Haggar, Henry. 1653 (1653) Wing H186; Thomason E711_1; ESTC R207114 109,478 143

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generall in them but also such words as speak to every Saint in Christ and member in particular as the word all the Saints every Saint in Christ and every one of you and every branch in me c. But for example I shall give you one probable Argument from Mat. 18.15 16 17. in these words If thy Brother sin against thee go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone if he shall hear thee thou hast gained thy Brother if not then take with thee one or two more that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established and if he shall neglect to hear them tell it to the Church and if he neglect to hear the Church let him be to thee an Heathen man and a Publican From all which I argue thus First If it be the duty of Church-members to watch over one another and proceed in order according to this rule then they must be such as understand this rule But little babes of 8 daies weeks or months old cannot understand this rule Therefore they cannot be visible Church-members Secondly If it be the duty of Church-members to tell one another of their fault then they must be such as can both speak and judge what a fault is or else how can they tell one another of their faults But little Babes can neither speak nor judge in such cases Therefore they cannot be Church-members Thirdly If the faults of particular members in such cases may and must be brought before the whole Church for them to hear and judge then the whole Church ought to be such as can judge and likewise declare their minds But little Infants are not such Therefore no visible Church-members But it may be the objection against all this will be That this rule doth not reach or concern all Church-members because the word all or every one or whole Church is not found in the text But I shall leave it to the judgement of the wise that fear God and are worshipers of him in spirit and truth Many more such Arguments as this might be brought of which the time would fail to relate therefore I shall omit them and proceed to prove in opposition to Mr. Baxters and Mr. Cooks other Arguments that little Children that cannot speak words nor understand the Gospell if they hear it are not nor cannot be Christs Disciples Arguments I. My first Argument is from Mat 28.19 in these words Go ye therefore and teach all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy Spirit The plain English of which Mr. Baxter himself confesseth to be Go make Disciciples baptizing them c. From whence I argue thus If those Disciples which Christ commanded the Apostles to baptize must be first made so then they were not so born if they had they should not have need to be made so Again the word saith Teach all Nations or make Disciples saith Mr Baxter Whence I argue thus If make Disciples all Nations and teach all Nations be all one as Mr. Baxter affirms then it s clear that Disciples are made by preaching the word But Infants that cannot speak words nor understand earthly things if we tell them can much less understand the things of the Kingdom of Heaven declared by the preaching of the Gospell Therefore Here Mr. Baxter and I must have some discourse before we part a for he telleth us of divers waies to make Disciples besides teaching of them which in plain terms is to say There is divers waies to make Scholars besides or without teaching of them which to me is a Paradox Again Mr. Baxter being very willing to prove Infants Disciples saith page 22. line 1 2 3. that its enough to make them Disciples that they are devoted to learning if they live and that they are consecrated to Christ as their Master who can teach them hereafter So that he would prove them Disciples or Scholars first and have them taught afterwards strange doctrine and unheard-of Divinity the which lest any should object against he stoutly backs with a learned Argument as he would have it thus Is it not a common thing to call the whole Nation of Turks Mahometans old and young why then may we not call our selves and our Children Disciples of Christ And then he tells us another story of a man that hired a Philosopher to teach him and all his Children and were they not all then Disciples of that Philosopher Answ But is this Mr. Baxters plain Scripture-proof that he telleth us of in the title of his book I do much admire that a man prosessing so much seriousness in his matters and soundness in his judgement tenderness of conscience and zeal for truth as Mr. Baxter doth in his first chap. page 2 should so turn aside his ears from the truth of the word of God unto such fables as these as if he were resolved to make the Apostles words true upon himself 2 Tim. 4.3.4 which are these The time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers having itching ears and they shall turn aside their ears from the truth and be turned unto fables c. But let me a little speak to Mr. Baxter in his own language lest he be wise in his own conceit and think I cannot answer such learned Questions Suppose I should grant that little Children as soon as they go to Schoole and begin to learn their letters are Scholars doth it therefore follow that they are then fit to learn the things of God and be immediately nay long before that the Disciples of Christ I think not for the Lord Christ saith John 2.12 If I have told you earthly things and you beleive them not how shall you beleive if I tell you Heavenly But such Children that go newly to Schoole to learn their letters you may tell them of many earthly things that they cannot understand nor beleive at all Againe What if we grant Mr. Baxter that little Children are Scholars the first day they are sent to Schoole and having learned but the first letters This would make nothing for his purpose for do we ever know any man so idle and foolish and void of understanding as to send his Child to Schoole to learn its letters befor it could speak or understand would not Mr. Baxter himself say such a man were void of reason but Mr. Baxter doth affirn such to be Disciples of Christ and would have them sent to Chrits Schoole but if this be equity or godly wisdome let the godly wife consider and judge But Mr. Baxter would teach men by parallels and lay aside the word of God he might have made the comparison thus As little children the first day they go to Schoole to learn their letters are commonly called the Scholars and Disciples of Men even so those little Children or babes in Christ 1 John 5.21 the first
their oftences every Assizes and Sessions we will now come to the teachers and leaders of them and see what they do and and how they behave themselves for examples and now I shall not trouble you with outlandish news from Germany and other places beyond the Seas neither will I foolishly and maliciously invent things against you but I will refer you to a book that is printed by the order and authority of Parliament intituled The first Century of scandalous and malignant Priests c. printed by George Miller dwelling in Black-Friers wherein you shall find the Persons names the places where they had their benefices and the reasons why they were sequestred And that you may the better understand what manner of creatures these Ministers and Teachers were I shall briefly put down the names and causes of some few of them word for word as it is in the book which was printed by the authority of Parliament to which I refer the reader for further information where you shall find no less then a whole hundred of these vile and abominable wretches called Ministers of Christ by some and so lookt upon as if the Parliament had done them wrong All these were found in eight or nine Counties at most about London therefore we may judge how many of these Locusts are in England Scotland amongst the Covenanters and in Wales of which persons and their practices I now come to speak particularly Page 1. The Benefice John Wilson Vicar of Arlington in the County of Sussex is sequestred for that he in most beastly manner divers times attempted to commit buggery with Nathaniel Brown Samuel Andrews and Robert Williams his Parishoners and by perswasions and violence laboured to draw them to that abominable sinne that as he shamed not to profess they might make up his number 18. and hath professed that he made choice to commit that act with mankind rather then with women to avoid the shame and danger that oft ensueth in begetting of Bastards and hath also attempted to commit buggery with a Mare and at the baptizing of a Bastard-Child blasphemously said openly in the Congregation that our Saviour as he was in the flesh was a Bastard and hath in his Sermon much commended Images in their meeting-houses as good for edification that baptism takes away original sin c. and hath openly said that the Parliament were Rebels and endeavoured to starve the King and that whatsoever the King commands we are to obey whether it be good or bad and hath openly affirmed that buggery is no sin and is a great drinker 2. The Benefice of Robert Hiliard Vicar of the Parish-Church of Ewell in the County of Surry is sequestred for that he said the Parliament is a Parliament for the Devil and the Divels Court and that the Petitions of the Parliament to the King are like the Petitions of Jeroboam to Rehoboam viz. commands and not Petitions and that he had rather live under the government of a Heathen then of the Parliament and is a common frequenter of Taverns and Ale-houses sitting tipling and quarrelling there is often drunk is a common curser and swearer and hath jeered the holy Spirit of grace saying We have Ministers now for sooth will preach and pray by the Spirit and hath threatned to kill those that have exhibited articles against him and went about with the Cavaliers at Kingstone directing them to plunder honest men Mr. Baxter saith the Anabaptssts are traytors to the State but I wonder who are traytors now 3. The Benefice of John Peckham Rector of the Parish-Church of Hosteedparva in the County of Sussex who giveth out that he is the Kings Chapline is sequestred for that he hath been very negligent of his cure absenting himself from his Parishioners sometimes a whole moneth together without leaving any to officiate for him and hath resufed to adminster the Lords Supper to his Parishioners that would not come up to the railes and is a common drunkard and a notorious adulterer and unclean person having drawn divers women to commit uncleanness with him and hath bragged that he could lie with divers women and never get them with Child and hath used sordid and beastly carriages towards women to entice them to satisfie his lust not to be named amongst the Heathen and hath expressed great Malignity against the Parliament and proceedings thereof and hath affirmed publickly that a man might live in murther adultery and other gross sins from day to day and yet be a true penitent person 4. The Benefice of Richard Hart Rector of the parish-Parish-Church of Hargrave in the County of Suffolk is sequestred for that he is a common Ale-house-haunter an upholder of private Ale-houses and commonnly sitteth drinking in them divers daies together as from Tuesday to Sunday-morning and then being come home durst not come to Church his face was so battered and beaten and forced his Parishioners to go to other places by reason of his inabilities either to preach or read service to them and used on the Lords day on the afternoones to draw his Parishioners with him to his house forceing them there to drink untill they be drunk causing every one to to cast a Die in their course and to drink so many cups as fell to their chance perswading them that if they would take their cups he could forgive them their sins And when he hath preached on Fast-daies he hath told his Parishioners that he knew not wherefore the Fast was And on Whit-Sunday last though he had administred the Communion in the fore-noon yet in the after-noon he drew a Man and his Wife to a private Ale-house and there kept them drinking till night and then led them to his own house and there made the man so drunk as he fell asleep and then enticed the mans Wife up into his Chamber where they were all night together drinking and taking Tobacco and hath expressed great Malignity against the Parliament professing he would rather curse them then pray for them 5. The Benefice of Nicholas King Vicar of Priston and Snape in the County of Suffolk is sequestered for that he is a common Ale-house-haunter and a companion of scandalous persons and men of evill fame and oft drunk and attempted the chastity of Elizabeth Scotchmer who going to his house to pay him some monies he inticed her to lie with him and did strive a long time to abuse her by force and would have corrupted her thereunto with monies but she protesting unto him that she would not sell her soule to the Devil for mony he replied to her she was a fool for God did forgive the greatest of sinners and he hath expressed great Malignancy against the Parliament 6. The benefice of John Wells Parson of the parish Church of Shimplin in the County of Suffolk is sequestred for that he is a common Ale-house-haunter and common drunkard and in his drunkenness hath lain abroad in the fields lost his Hat fallen into the Ditches