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A62284 The reformation of the Church of England justified according to the canons of the Council of Nice, and other general councils, and the tradition of the Catholick Church being an answer to a paper reprinted at Oxford, called (The schism of the Church of England) demonstrated in four arguments, formerly proposed to Dr. Gunning and Dr. Pearson the late bishops of Ely and Chester, by two Catholick disputants, in a celebrated conference upon that point : in which answer the unworthy and false dealings of the papists are shewed, and the charge of schism returned upon them, and the Church of England proved truly Catholick and apostolick in her doctrine and constitution / by Dr. Saywell. Saywell, William, 1643-1701. 1688 (1688) Wing S804; ESTC R34023 26,158 36

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Place Hodgkins was only a Suffragan but communicated with these three in the Consecration and therefore became a Schismatick As our Author does only in this Argument vary in Form and Circumstance from his former Arguments so I must apply the same Answer for Substance to his Assertions Day and Veysey were justly set aside in King Edward's Days for not consenting to the Decree of the major part of the Bishops as appears by the Protector 's Letter to Bishop Gardner in Dr. Burnet's Collection and Bishop Scory and Coverdale were by the consent of the Archbishop and Bishops Regularly settled in their Places in peaceable Times wherein no Cruelties were exercised no Man was put to Death for his Religion and only that Discipline was used to turn out those that would not quietly submit to the Determinations of the major part of the Bishops of the Province and as for Bishop Barlow he was Consecrated a Bishop of this Church near ' twenty Years before in King Henry the Eighth's Days and so was Bishop Hodgkins Suffragan at Bedford So that we have the Four Consecrators of Archbishop Parker duly consecrated in quiet Times by the Archbishop and Bishops of the Province and therefore endued with the undoubted Power both of Order and Jurisdiction beyond all Dispute Therefore unless any can shew a better Title not only the Power of Order which they did Confer but of Jurisdiction also must be unquestionable and consequently the whole Succession of English Bishops ever since is exactly Regular and Canonical The only Pretenders to a better Title were those fourteen Popish Bishops set aside by Queen Elizabeth But these four Mens Title is more Firm and Ancient than theirs for the Popish Bishops were either such as were legally Deposed and thrust themselves afterwards in the Places of the Lawful Bishops and then put many of them to Death or all else but Bishop Thirlby were ordained by or communicated with them during their Schism and Usurpation and therefore neither the Ordainers nor Ordained had any Right or Jurisdiction in the Church of England so that Bishop Barlow Bishop Scory Bishop Coverdale being undoubted Regular Bishops of the Church of England at King Edward's Death and all that was done in Queen Mary's Days being acted by Bishops that had no Lawful Jurisdiction the Regular Authority of Ordaining and Conferring Jurisdiction as well as Order was devolved to them and they might take Bishop Hodgkins into their Assistance to add the greater Solemnity to their Ordination so that those Fourteen were so far from being Regular Bishops of the Church of England that they will not be able to clear themselves of Schism Murder and the damnable Heresy of the Deposing Doctrine 'T is very unreasonable therefore that the Bishops of the Church of England should be charged with Schism for declining their Authority so long as they have a Regular Succession from the undoubted Lawful Bishops who were free from any such foul Guilt or Suspicion and the Clergy were so well satisfied with their Authority that of 9400 above 9200 did really submit to it and heartily embrace the Reformation and the Queen Nobility Gentry and the whole Kingdom as I said before did willingly and joyfully adhere to their Communion and for ten or eleven Years lived in Peace and Unity till the Pope by his Bull of Excommunication and Deposition made a Disturbance The fourth Argument WHosoever Subject themselves unto these as their Lawful Pastors who have no Jurisdiction over them are Schismaticks But English Protestants ever since Queen Elizabeth's Time have Subjected themselves to these as their Lawful Pastors who have no Jurisdiction over them Therefore c. are Schismaticks The second Proposition he proves because we had no Regular Succession at home nor derived none from abroad and could have none from Rome Constantinople or any other Church But all this is founded upon a false and groundless Supposition Whereas we had Four True Lawful Regular Bishops with full Power of Order and Jurisdiction from whom we derive our Succession and might have had many more had not they unjustly put them to Death and so needed not any Assistance from Rome or Constantinople or any Place else And as for the Coustitution of our Church it is established by Divine Right committed to us by Succession from Christ and his Apostles and we Act by the Power we received from the Holy Ghost for the Pastoral Charge the Care of Souls the Right and Power of Baptizing and Consecrating the Eucharist the Power of binding and loosing the Power of Ordination c. are all Spiritual Offices received from God. Neither do we derive them from any secular Magistrates but from the Bishops of the Province according to the constant Tradition of the Church which St. Cyprian says did descend down from Divine Tradition and Apostolical Observation and the Council of Nice and other General Councils Approve and Confirm the same And as for many of the Formalities that are used in the first Nomination Election and Confirmation of Bishops they were not observed by Christ and his Apostles nor commanded by the Church and so are accidental Ceremonies Appointed by the State to testify their good liking of the Person that as the Church doth think him well qualify'd and fit to be Preferred to such a Sacred Office so the State is well satisfied that he is a Man that will be Useful and Faithful to the Temporal Government which is agreeable to the Apostles Direction that he should have a good report of them that are without But still that which is Essential and the Authority and Power to execute the Sacred Office of a Bishop or Priest in their respective Charges is derived from the Bishops of the Province and after great Violence and Disorder from as many or the major part of them which survive And this Method is established and allowed by the Catholick Church as long as Provincial and National Churches keep to her Faith and Unity as Ours has done So that every Bishop and Priest orderly constituted in his Place does act by the Power and Appointment of the Catholick Church and they contemn the Catholick Church that desert and disturb them in the Performance of their Office Hence we may understand our Saviour's meaning when he says if he neglect to hear the Church let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican Which in the first Place does require us to hear our own particular Parish Priest and Bishop while they are Constituted and live in the Unity of the Church but principally if does oblige us to hearken to the Catholick Church So that if our own Pastors turn Hereticks or set themselves up by undue means and not according to the Order of the Church they are not to be hearkned to but we must according to our Saviour's Command here the Church and not those Pastors that will not themselves hear and obey the