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A52531	An answer to the Provinciall letters published by the Jansenists, under the name of Lewis Montalt, against the doctrine of the Jesuits and school-divines made by some Fathers of the Society in France.; Responses aux Lettres provinciales publiées par le secrétaire de Port-Royal contre les PP. de la Compagnie de Jésus, sur le sujet de la morale des dits Pères. English.	Nouet, Jacques, 1605-1680.	1659 (1659)	Wing N1414; ESTC R8252	294,740	574

to call those Heretiques whom the Pope condemneth as such whether there be matter of Fact or no contained in the condemnation So the Quartodecimani are by St. Augustin H●res 29. and by the whole Church called Heretiques because they would not obey the Decrees of the Pope and Church and yet the observance of Easter on such a day had more of matter of Fact in it then what Pope Innocent or Pope Alexander declare concerning Jansenius And all this hath been ever practised in the Church of God upon Christs Authority who saith Qui Ecclesiam non audierit sit tibi sicut Ethnicus Publicanus He that heareth not the Church whether it be in matter of Fact or no let him be unto you as an Heathen and Publican that is as one quite out of the Church As for the stories you alledge I shall answer you when I have done with your Objections Now I observe that these three main Objections so often inculcated whereby you would prove that it is but matter of Fact and so not of Faith but a matter wherein Popes and Councells may erre do not prove any thing at all For notwithstanding the possibility of errour in matter of Fact which many Catholique Doctours allow yet it is not to be presumed that here is any errour but quite contrary it is to be supposed certain that there is none unlesse we will be teme●arious and refractory to the Church we having two Popes and a Synod of France's Assertion redoubled that all diligence was used and knowing also that the matter was very easily cleared the Question being onely whether the Book which they had in their ●ands had the Propositions or no finally the whole world being certified that all parties were agreed that the Propositions were in Jansenius before ever the condemnation was thought of as you may see in severall places of this Book namely in the Sixteenth Letter and Father Annats Answer to the Jansenists Complaint Now then I proceed to a fourth Objection by which you would prove not onely that the Popes and Councells may erre as hitherto but that in effect they have erred 4. Objection Many Learned men have read Jansenius all over and cannot finde the Five Propositions therefore they are not there and so the Synod of France and the Popes who condemned those Propositions as Jansenius's erred I answer first that this is a Negative Argument and so in effect proves nothing against the Positive Assertion of the Synod of France which found them there and the Definition of the Pope who defineth that they are there But to answer again I ask who were those sixty Persons that read Jansenius and could not finde those Propositions Perhaps Doctour St. Beauve was one whom pag. 300. you call the Kings Professour in Sorbon but you do not tell us that he was turn'd out of his place for Iansenisme which I have from a good hand Or were you one Sir If you were and the rest like you I do not wonder that you could not finde the Propositions in Jansenius though they be there You that could finde in so many Authours of the Jesuites as you have falsely cited that which is not there might have the trick of not finding in Jansenius that which is there It is a great deal easier to read an Author and not to find that which is there then to finde there that which is not there as you Sir are evidently convinced to have done The Fourteenth Imposture and the small piece of Lessius inserted in the end of this Book maketh this evident You can finde or say you finde in Lessius that which he hath not and why may you not more easily not finde or say you cannot finde in Jansenius that which is clearly there You therefore when you tell us that above sixty * Let. 18. pag 343. Persons have read Jansenius and cannot finde the Propositions there ought to let us know who those s●xty were and if they please to appear they shall be shewed the places 5. Objection The places cannot be cited * Letter 18. pag. 342. therefore they be not there and so still the Church erreth But pray Sir who is it that you challenge to cite the places Would you tell his Holinesse that you will not believe him till he citeth the places that is will not believe him till you see it That is not the duty of a Childe to his Father nor would any Servant be so ●aucy with his Master Or would you say this to the Synod of so many grave and learned Bishops as in France collected the Propositions out of Janseni●s and for the greater satisfaction of all the world have given it under their hands that the Propositions are truly in Jansenius to their knowledge as you may see in their Subscriptions put in the beginning of this Book in the History of Jansenisime Is it to these you would say they cannot cite the places That were to be very disrespectfull and to suspect them strangely either of grosse ignorance or of extream malice But you tell us Letter 18. pag. 330. 'T is the Jesuites you mean 't is they cannot cite the places and yet they call you Heretiques And what then Sir Suppose no Jesuite in the world could cite the places must the Church therefore be out or must the Iesuites not give the Propositions the same name which the Popes and universall Church gives them that is to call them Hereticall and condemned in Jansenius his sense and as they lie in Jansenius What if the Iesuites should answer that since the Popes and Synod of France thought not sit to cite the places they judge it a dutifull Deference not to cite them neither Or what if no Iesuite hath ever looked in Jansenius What is that to us Catholiques who dutifully and obediently believe the Church that telleth us they are in Jansenius We believe in the Catholique Church as our Creed teacheth us and the Iesuites believe in the same Church and whether they have read Jansenius or no we and they must say the Five condemned Propositions are in Jansenius T●uly Sir I cannot hold laughing when I read page 342. that you define the Iesuits to cite the places of Jansenius as you have cited their corrupt Maximes which is to say that you desire them to cite wrong places for you know Sir you never cite right But Sir that the world may see how impudent you are and how resolved to deny Truth wheresoever you finde it I desire all to take notice that long before your Seventeenth or Eighteenth Letter where you urge this Argument so insolently the places were cited and publiquely allowed to be truly cited and that even by your own selves as is evidently convinced in Father Annats Answer to the Iansenists Complaint where you have the Iansenists own confession and the So●bonists citing the places and besides Father Annat hath also cited the places All that can be r●plied is that the a Letter 17.