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A11516	The historie of the Councel of Trent Conteining eight bookes. In which (besides the ordinarie actes of the Councell) are declared many notable occurrences, which happened in Christendome, during the space of fourtie yeeres and more. And, particularly, the practises of the Court of Rome, to hinder the reformation of their errors, and to maintaine their greatnesse. Written in Italian by Pietro Soaue Polano, and faithfully translated into English by Nathanael Brent.; Historia del Concilio tridentino. English	Sarpi, Paolo, 1552-1623.; Brent, Nathaniel, Sir, 1573?-1652.	1629 (1629)	STC 21762; ESTC S116697	1,096,909	905

put them in discussion and controuersie and that in the meane while hee would giue order for that which he had resolued besides And this hee wrote to the Legates In the end of the moneth he deliuered in Consistory that the greatest Princes of Christendome did demand reformation which could not be denied them neither by true reasons nor by pretences and therefore that hee was resolued to giue a good example and not to faile of his duetie to begin with himselfe prouiding against the abuses of the Datary taking away the coadiutories regresses resignations in fauour and that the Cardinals ought not onely to consent vnto it but to publish it to all The good intention of his Holinesse was generally commended But some considered that those vses were brought in to take away greater abuses of manifest Simonie and vnlawfull bargaines and that they were to take care that remoouing those tolerable inconueniences which indeede are but against the law of man a gatebee not opened for the returne of those which are against the Law of GOD. The Cardinall of Trent said that it would bee a great preiudice to take away the Coadiutories in Germany because those Bishoprickes being annexed to principalities if Coadiutories could not bee had for both together they must be had for the principalitie alone and so the temporall would bee diuided from the spirituall which would bee the vtter ouerthrow of the Church The Cardinall Nauaggiero opposed the making of Germanie different saying that the Dutchmen being the first that demanded reformation they ought to bee comprehended at the last Afterwards the Pope related how many enterprises were vsed in Councell against the priuiledges of the Romane Church and spake of Annats Reseruations and preuentions He said they were necessarie Subsidies to maintaine the Pope and Colledge of Cardinals whereof as themselues were partakers so it was fit they should labour to defend them and that hee would send a number of them to Trent for this seruice In which place the next day after the arriuall of the currier who brought The Canons sent from Rome from Rome the canons of the institution which was the fifteenth of Ianuarie a day appointed to resolue on the certaine time of celebrating the Session a Congregation was helde and a resolution made to deferre the determination vntill the fourteenth of February And a copy was giuen of the decrees of the Institution with order that the Congregations should begin in which they should bee discussed And the care of reforming the decree of Residence was committed to Loraine and Madruccio together with those Fathers whom they pleased to take vnto them In the congregations following the formes which came from Rome were with facilitie approoued by the Patriarchs and the most ancient Archbishops but many difficulties were alleadged against them by the Spaniards and more by the Frenchmen This passage That Bishops doe holde the principall place depending of the Pope was questioned Doe not absolutely please the Fathers because the forme of speech was ambiguous which ought to haue beene plaine After long discussion they were content to admit that it should be said Chiefe vnder the Pope but not dependent Some also oppugned those words that Bishops were assumed by the Pope into part of the charge but would haue it said That they were appointed by CHRIST to take part of the cure alledging the place of Saint Cyprian There is but one Bishopricke of Which euery one holdeth a part in solidum And for the point of the authoritie to feed and to gouerne the Church vniuersall they said that the Church was the first tribunall vnder CHRIST to which euery one ought to bee subiect and that Peter was addressed to it as vnto a Iudge by the words of CHRIST Goe tell it to the Church and hee that will not heare the Church let him bee accounted an Heathen and a Publican And they were content it should be said that the Pope hath authoritie to feede and gouerne all the Churches but not the Church vniuersall wherein there was small difference in the Latin betweene Vniuersa●em Ecclesiam and Ecclesias vniuersas And Granata said I am Bishop of Granata and the Pope Arch-bishop of the same Citie inferring that the Pope hath the superintendencie of the particular Churches as the Archbishop hath of the Churches of his Suffragans And it beeing alleadged that this word Church Vniuersall was vsed in the Councell of Florence it was replyed that the Councell of Constance and Martin the fifth in condemning the Articles of Iohn Wiglef doth condemne the Article against the supremacy of the Apostolique Sea onely for saying that it is not set ouer all particular Churches And here a disputation began betweene the Frenchmen and the Italians these saying that the Councell of Florence was generall that of Constance partly approoued and partly not and that other of Basil schismaticall A difference between the Italians and the French-men about the Councels of Constance Basil and Florence and the others maintaining that those of Constance and Basil were generall Councels and that this name could not agree to that of Florence celebrated onely by some few Italians and foure Grecians Neither did they grant that the Pope had all the authoritie from CHRIST no not with the restrictions and limitations as he was a man and in the time of his mortalitie but they were content it should bee said that hee had authoritie equall to that of Saint Peter This manner of speech was suspected by the Papalins who saw they would make the life and actions of Saint Peter a paterne for the Pope which would as they said reduce the Apostolique Sea to nothing which they defended to haue an vnlimited power to be able to giue a rule for all emergents as the times doe require though contrary to the actions of all his predecessours and of Saint Peter himselfe And the contentions were like to proceed further But the Legats to giue some intermission to haue time to send the Pope the corrections of the Vltramontans and receiue his command how to gouerne themselues in the businesse that they might set another matter on foot which might make this to be forgotten returned to the point of Residence concerning which Loraine and Madruccio had composed a forme and presented it some dayes before to the Legats who without considering of it did approoue it vpon the first sight Afterward hauing consulted with the Canonists they disliked one parte in which it was said that Bishops are bound by the commandement of God to attend and watch ouer the flocke personally and doubting that those words would not please in Rome they changed them and so proposed the forme in congregation Loraine The Cardinals of Loraine Trent are offended with the Legats and Madruccio were much offended with this mutation and thought they were disparaged and Loraine said that hereafter he would take no more care in those things nor treat with the Prelats but

Monarchicall and then say that there is a power or iurisdiction not deriued from him but receiued from others In resoluing the contrary arguments hee discoursed that according to the order instituted by CHRIST the Apostles were ordained Bishops not by CHRIST but by Saint Peter receiuing iurisdiction from him onely and many Catholike Doctours doe hold that this was obserued which opinion is very probable But the others who say the Apostles were ordayned Bishops by CHRIST doe adde that his Diuine Maiestie in so doing did preuent the office of Peter by doing for that one time that which belonged to him giuing to the Apostles that power which they ought to receiue from Peter euen as God tooke some of the spirit of Moyses and diuided it amongst the seuenty Iudges So that it is as much as if they had beene ordained by and receiued authoritie from Peter who therefore did remaine subiect vnto him in respect of the places where and the manner how to exercise the same And howsoeuer it is not read that Peter did correct them yet this was not for want of power but because they did exercise their charge aright And hee that shall reade the renowned and famous Canon Ita Dominus will assure himselfe that euery good Catholique ought to defend that the Bishops successors of the Apostles doe receiue all from Peter Hee obserued also that the Bishops are not successors of the Apostles but onely because they are in their place as one Bishop succeedeth another not because they haue beene ordayned by them To those who inferred that therefore the Pope might refuse to make Bishops and so himselfe remaine the onely man he answered it was Gods ordination there should bee many Bishops in the Church to assist him and therefore that hee was bound to preserue them but there is a great difference to say a thing is de iure Diuino or that it is ordained by God Those de iure Diuino are perpetuall and depend on God alone both in generall and in particular at all times So Baptisme and all the Sacraments are de iure Diuino in euery one of which GOD hath his particular worke and so the Pope is from GOD. For when one Pope doeth die the keyes doe not remaine to the Church because they are not giuen to it but a new Pope beeing created GOD doeth immediatly giue them vnto him Now it is not so in things of diuine ordination in which the generall onely proceedeth from GOD and the particulars are executed by men So Saint Paul saith that Princes and temporall powers are ordained by God that is that the generall precept that there should be Princes commeth onely from him but yet the particulars are made by the ciuill Lawes After the same maner Bishops are by diuine ordination and Saint Paul saith they are placed by the holy Ghost to gouerne the Church but not de iure Diuino Therefore the Pope cannot take away the generall order of making Bishops in the Church because it is from God but euery particular Bishop being de iure Canonico may bee remooued by the Popes authoritie To the opposition that then the Bishops would be Delegati and not Ordinarij hee answered that there was one iurisdiction fundamentall and another deriued and the deriued is either delegate or ordinary In ciuill Common-wealths the fundamentall is in the Prince and the deriued in all the Magistrates neither are the Ordinaries different from the Delegates because they receiue authority from diuers persons yea all doe equally deriue from the Souereignty but the difference standeth because the Ordinaries are by a perpetuall law and succession and the others haue a particular authority either in regard of the person or the case Therefore the Bishops are Ordinaries because they are made by the Popes law a dignity of perpetuall succession in the Church Hee added that those places where authoritie seemeth to bee giuen to the Church by CHRIST as these that it is a pillar and foundation of trueth that hee who will not heare it shall bee esteemed an Heathen and a Publicane are all vnderstoode in regard of its Head which is the Pope and therefore the Church cannot erre because hee cannot and so hee that is separated from him who is Head of the Church is separated also from the Church To those who sayd the Councell could not haue authoritie if none of the Bishops had it he answered that this was not inconuenient but a very plaine and necessary consequence yea if euery particular Bishop in Councell may erre it cannot bee denied that they may erre altogether and if the authoritie of the Councell proceeded from the authoritie of Bishops it could neuer bee called generall because the number of the assistants is alwayes incomparably lesse then that of the absent He He prooueth that the Pope is aboue the Councell tolde them that in this Councell vnder Paul the third principall Articles were defined concerning the Canonicall Bookes interpretations paritie of Traditions with the Scriptures by a number of flue or a lesse all which would fall to the ground if the multitude gaue authoritie But as a number of Prelates assembled by the Pope to make a generall Councell bee it how small soeuer hath the name and efficacie to bee generall from the Pope onely so also it hath its authoritie so that if it doeth make Precepts or Anathematismes neither of them are of force but by vertue of the Popes future confirmation And when the Synode sayth that it is assembled in the holy Ghost it meaneth that the Fathers are congregated according to the Popes intimation to handle that which beeing approoued by him will bee decreed by the holy Ghost Otherwise how could it be said that a Decree was made by the holy Ghost and could be made to be of no force by the Popes authoritie or had neede of greater confirmation And therefore in the Councels be they neuer so frequent if the Pope bee present hee onely doeth decree neither doeth the Councell any thing but approoue that is receiue the Decrees and therefore it hath alwaies beene sayd Sacro approbante concilio yea euen in resolutions of the greatest weight as was the disposition of the Emperour Frederic the second in the generall Councell of Lyons Innocentius the fourth a most wise Pope refused the approbation of the Synode that none might thinke it to bee necessary and thought it sufficient to say Sacro praesente concilio And for all this the Councell cannot bee sayd to be superfluous because it is assembled for better inquisition for more easie perswasion and to giue satisfaction to men And when it giueth sentence it doth it by vertue of the Popes authoritie deriued from God And for these reasons the good Doctours haue subiected the Councels authority to the Popes as wholly depending on it without which it hath not the assistance of the holy Ghost nor infallibilitie nor power to binde the Church but as it is granted by him alone to