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A09103	A discussion of the ansvvere of M. VVilliam Barlovv, D. of Diuinity, to the booke intituled: The iudgment of a Catholike Englishman liuing in banishment for his religion &c. Concerning the apology of the new Oath of allegiance. VVritten by the R. Father, F. Robert Persons of the Society of Iesus. VVhervnto since the said Fathers death, is annexed a generall preface, laying open the insufficiency, rayling, lying, and other misdemeanour of M. Barlow in his writing.	Parsons, Robert, 1546-1610.; Coffin, Edward, 1571-1626.	1612 (1612)	STC 19409; ESTC S114157	504,337	690

to relate out of the said Petrus that amongst other points in a certaine consultatiō betweene the Popes Commissioners and the Emperours neere vnto Rome in the yeare 1110. it was demaunded by the Emperour that his Fathers dead body might be interred and that the Pope denyed the same But neyther of these points do make against vs nor in fauour of M. Barlow his assertion for that we deny not but that Pope Paschalis for the reasons before touched was after some time that the body had bene taken vp and placed in the Chappell of S. Afra in Spire vnwilling to yield to the sollemne and sumptuous reburyall therof the man dying excommunicate and out of the Church and the memory of his many violent actions against the Church being yet fresh in all mens minds But what proueth this to our principall controuersie whether the Pope did prohibite his first buryall and commanded his disinterring in Leige● Do you not see how M. Barlow fighteth in the ayre with the wind and runneth from the purpose in euery thing he taketh in hand and yet braggeth of a cloud of witnesses But I hope I haue cleered the ayre and dispersed all these smoky clouds But it is worth the considering how besides this deuiation he vseth both Baronius and Petrus Diaconus in relating out of their testimonies Pope Paschalis his answere to the yong Emperors Cōmissioners when they proposed the matter of the solemne burying of his Father some foure yeares after his body had bene taken vp in Leige by the said Sonnes commandement M. Barlow relateth the matter ironic● thus The Pope yielded presently to the demaund with a strong negatiue and tells him it may not be and giues him his reason for that he had receiued a terrible iniunction from the Martyrs deceased and in those places shrined that he should suffer no wicked persons to be buryed within their Church for they would not indure it And all this relateth M. Barlow in a different letter as if they were the very words of the Author and diuers clauses he setteth out in great letters which cōmonly are great lies and not found in the Author I shall set downe the true words as they stand in Baronius taken out of Petrus Diaconus Ad hoc respondit Paschalis c. To this demaund of the Emperour about the buryall of his Father Pope Paschalis answered The authority of holy Scripture is against this and the reuerence we beare to diuine miracles doth forbid the same for that Martyrs themselues now placed in heauen haue dreadfully cōmanded that the carcasses of haynous wicked men should be cast out of their Chappell 's and with whom we haue not had communion in their liues we may not communicate when they are dead These are the words of Paschalis verbatim which M. Barlow hath trymmed to his purpose as you see For if he had set them downe sincerely as he found them in the Authour they would not haue appeared so ridiculous as he desired they should appeare and therefore spiced them after his owne fashion For first the Pope beginneth not with that strong negatiue It may not be set downe in great letters but only sayth that the authority of holy Scriptures was against it alledging as may be presumed to th●se places of Scriptures wherin separation is willed to be made betweene the good and the bad the wicked and godly especially such are curst out of the Church for their contempt and dyed in the same contempt according to that saying of our Sauiour si ●cclesiam non audierit sit tibi tamquam ●thnicus Pu●licanus if he heare not the Church let him be vnto thee as an Heathen and Publican And we may see by the diligence of Tobie and other holy men how carefull they were least the bodies of the faithfull people should be mingled with Gentils which S. Augustine and other Fathers do much commend and for auoyding wherof euen from the beginning of Christianity places of speciall buriall for Christians were prouided as appeareth by S. Dionysius Areopagita in the end of his Ecclesiasticall Hierarchie which places afterward were named in Greeke 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 C●emeteria that is to say dormitories or sleeping places for that Christians deaths are accompted but for sleepes appeareth by the Apostle And the holy Martyr S. Cyprian and others after him do often make mention of these Cemeteries or burials of Christians and among other thinges the foresaid S. Cyprian writing an Epistle to the Clergy and people of a certaine Church in Spaine against one Martialis that had committed Idolatry he accuseth him among other poynts quod filus apud profana sepulchra depositos alienigenis consepultos permisisset that he had suffered his children to be depositated in prophane sepulchers and to be buried with such as were externes not of the same Church and communion This was the care at that time but much more afterward did the Church by speciall prouision of Ecclesiasticall Canōs ordayne that Infidels Hereticks Schismaticks and excommunicated persons should not be buried togeather in sacred buriall as well for the instruction and terror of such sortes of men as also for the reason alleaged heere by the Pope that with whome we haue had no communion in life we should not communicate after death which reason M. Barlow in his playne dealing thought good to leaue out as also the mention of the authority of holy Scripture named by the Pope and the reuerence due to diuine miracles There remayneth then the chiefe iest brought in by M. Barlow of the terrible iniunction which the Pope said he had receaued from the Martyrs deceased and shrined in those places that he should suffer no wicked persons within their Churches for they would not indure ●t In which few lines cōsider I beseech you how many corruptions there be and confesse that M. Barlow is a craftes man indeed First the Author doth not say that the Pope himself had receiued this terrible iniunction frō the Martyrs shryned in those places as M. Barlow doth but only that Martyrs now in heauen had so commaunded but by what reuelation or to whome or when he sayth not so as it might be many yeares before and in far different places that the apparitions had bene made For that Martyrs haue often tymes appeared to good men and reueiled somewhat touching their owne or other mens bodies is euident by all Ecclesiasticall histories wherof we haue example of the Saints Geruasius and Protasius in S. Ambrose S. Augustine and others and of the apparition of S. Fa●stinus Martyr in Brixia commaunding the remouall frō thence of the body of Valerianus Patricius whereof S. Gregory wryteth as also of other examples to the like effect in the ensuing Chapters Secondly he doth not say that the Martyrs commaunded to suffer no wicked persons to be buried within their Churches for that were hard that no sort of euill men should be admitted to

Another thing may be to consider what strange Paradoxes he inserts here and there as positiōs dogmaticall which who so listeth in practise to follow shall either haue no religion or faith at all or insteed of Christs Ghospell the Turks Alcoran For exāple what more grosse and wicked assertion can there be then to teach that Kings euen against our conscience are to be obeyed For thus he replyeth against F. Persons saying that Kings were to be obeyed propter cōscientiā sed non contra conscientiā This saith M. Barlow is no sound doctrine in the negatiue part for euen against a mans Conscience the Prince is to be obeyed Againe There is nothing more easy for proofe or euident for d●monstration then that obedience is to be enioyned ●u●n against conscience if it be erroneous and leaprous and against religion if forged and falsely so called And is not this a very learned Axiome For more euident refutation whereof let vs suppose that for which we powre forth our daily prayers to God that his Maiesty were as all his Noble Progenetors of both Realmes haue alwayes bene a Catholick Prince and as zealous for the truth therof as now he is for the Protestant cause if then he should propose vnto Syr Williā the Oath of Supremacy of the Bishop of Rome so cleerly out of Scriptures and all antiquity proued and euinced to be true but yet in the blind eyes and leaprou● conscience of this Minister thought to be false what would he doe therin Will he sweare it to be true But in his conscience he thinketh it to be false and against the Scriptures Will he refuse it But Kings saith he euen against conscience are to be obeyed 25. Neyther doth he help the matter any thing at all by his distinction of leaprous and erroneous conscience for with men of his stamp conscience is like a cheuerell point which they may stretch loose at their pleasure For who knoweth not that in the tyme of Q. Mary they were held to haue erroneous leaprous consciences euen by the iudgement of the greatest deuines in Geneua who manteyned that women were to be obeyed albeit they were Queenes euen in ciuill and temporall affaires But within one yeare after this errour and leaprosy was so transposed that the quite contrary was taught and they were not only held to haue leaprous and erroneous consciences who denyed ciuill obedience but were condemned also as Traitours by Parlament if they did deny Q. Elizabeth to be the Supreme head or Gouernesse of the Church of England So that it was not only lawfull but necessary for her to haue all Temporall and Ecclesiasticall gouernmēt in her hands as she was Queen which yet in Q. Mary to haue ciuill only euen by reason of her sex was iudged monstrous vnnaturall and repugnāt to the Scriptures and law of God Many other examples might be produced in this kind to shew this new Gospell to be as constant as the weathercocke which neuer turneth but when the wynd doth change to wit as often as occasions fall out that may fit their purpose for then they will strayne all conscience and honesty also to conforme themselues become good subiects 26. Much like vnto this of obeying Kings against our conscience is his other prophane and barbarous assertion of the Supremacy of the heathen Emperours Nero Domitian and the rest ouer the Christian Church yea which is more strange that the auncient Fathers Iustinus Martyr Irenaeus Tertullian and others acknowledged the same But you must know that M. Barlow in cyting their words for proofe of this paradox is very silent howsoeuer with all cōfidēce as a maxime in his new Deuinity vncōtrollable he deliuereth the same saying That they acknowledged the Emperors Supremacy indepēdant vpon any but God And a litle after that Queene Elizabeth in her Supremacy was no vsurper by Nouell-claime but accepted what God himselfe had annexed to her crowne Out of which I first note that by this Doctrine the Great Turke is supreme Head of the Christian Church in Greece and that if M. Barlow were there for such he would acknowledge him Secondly the Pythagoricall manner of speaking which our Aduersaries vse in matters of greatest moment and controuersie For whereas before King H●nry the eight no Christian King euer tooke that title or vsurped any such authority ouer the Church yea for challenging much lesse Constantius was called Antichrist both by S. Athanasius and S. Hilary these men without all profe but not without singuler impupudency thinke it sufficient to say● that the King is head of the Church that he was so acknowledged by the ancient Fathers that not only a woman may haue the same authority of Supremacy in all causes Ecclesiasticall but that also the heathen Emperours had it as annexed to their Crowne and Imperiall Dignitie euen against the whole torrent of all writters the practise of the Christian world and euident text of Scripture it selfe no Fathers no history no monument no shew or shaddow of proofe or authority in former tymes being found for the same without many straines violent enforcements or ridiculous illations made there-upon as in the arguments of the Protestants who haue treated this controuersie is euery where to be seene 27. Lastly the Reader may note that M. Barlow is so poore a Deuine as eyther he knoweth not what belongeth to matters of faith or els is so wicked as against his owne knowledge he will auouch that for true which is checked euen by his owne brethren and conuinced by common sense and experiēce to be most false to wit that the Protestants and the Puritanes in England differ only in ma●ters cerimoniall and agree in all ●ss●ntiall and substantiall points concerning religion in which this Prelate is very cathegoricall for ignorance as himself elswhere telleth vs out of Fathers and Philosophers though he cite no place or sentence is the mother of a●dacious assertions and vndertakings and writteth thus Faine they woul● possesse the world that we are at iarre among our selues about our religion whereas the quarrell though it be indeed vnkind yet is it not in this kind sau● only for cerimonyes externall no points substantiall c. So he Which though it be kindly spoken as you see yet he must giue me leaue to belieue him at leasure and in the meane tyme ●o aske him one question to wit whether the Protestāts and Puritans vnderstand their ow●e differences that are between thē or not If not● then we need not belieue M. Barlow as speaking of that which he doth not vnderstand If they doe how commeth it to passe that they condemne ech other of idolatry heresy and false religion as any may read in the Suruey and dangerous Positions set forth by S●●cliffe and the last Superintendent of Canterbury for the Protestants and Cartwright Gilby M●rtin Senior and others for the Puritans 28. To this answereth M. Barlowes Comicall companion of