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A96172 Mr. Tillam's account examined. Or, A brief reply to his unchristian account of some passages of Providence By a friend to truth, and to Mr. Tillam's own soul, if God have not sealed him down under hardness of heart. Written for the sake of such poor honest souls in Colchester, and the parts adjacent, as are misled through his inchantments. Weld, Thomas, 1590?-1662. 1657 (1657) Wing W1268aA; ESTC R231931 19,494 38

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