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A09061 An ansvvere to the fifth part of Reportes lately set forth by Syr Edvvard Cooke Knight, the Kinges Attorney generall Concerning the ancient & moderne municipall lawes of England, vvhich do apperteyne to spirituall power & iurisdiction. By occasion vvherof, & of the principall question set dovvne in the sequent page, there is laid forth an euident, plaine, & perspicuous demonstration of the continuance of Catholicke religion in England, from our first Kings christened, vnto these dayes. By a Catholicke deuyne. Parsons, Robert, 1546-1610. 1606 (1606) STC 19352; ESTC S114058 393,956 513

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Church and such as had cheife spirituall authoritie therin from time to time of whome Christ meant when he said Dic Ecclesiae denounce it to the Church and againe If he heare not the Church let him be to thee as a heathen or publican so in like manner must we say in these daies nor haue we any other reasonable answere why we beleeue any one booke of the new or old Testament to be scripture that is to saie to containe doctrine of the holie ghost and not of man but for that the gouernours of our Church which haue spirituall power among vs doe tell vs so 4. Yea all Sectaries likewise of what sorte or sect soeuer are forced to follow the same rule for that whatsoeuer they admit to be scripture they admit the same either vpon the credit of our Church and gouernours therof or of their owne or of both but especially indeed of their owne which is seen by their doubting or reiecting of any parcels of scripture doubted of or reiected by their owne leaders though admitted by ours As for example the booke of vvisedome of Toby Iudith Ecclesiasticus the first and second of Machabees and other parcels of the old Testament reiected by Luther and Lutherans as also the Epistle of S. Iames the second and third of S. Peter the Apocalips and other peeces of the new testament which our Church admitteth simply But Caluin and Caluinists though expreslie they reiect them not with the Lutherans as appeareth by our English Church where they are left to stand in the Bible yet is their admission so could and conditionall as it may rather seeme a curteous dimission then any way a faithfull or confident acceptation 5. And the same may be said of any other particular point or points of doctrine of any Religion or sect whatsoeuer the leaders or gouernours that are presumed to haue cheife authoritie must iudge and discerne distinguish expound and determine what is to be beleued or not what is to be held and taught or reiected and finallie what is to be done and practised what Sacraments what Ceremonies what Customes are to be vsed hovv where and when And last of all this second part of power and authoritie rule order gouerment and iurisdiction is that which giueth light direction and life to euerie religion And for so much as there can be but one true that can bring vs to saluation it followeth that whersoeuer this true spirituall power and iurisdiction is found there is the onlie true religion also which a man may securelie follow yea that vnder paine of eternall damnation he is bound to follow for that this authoritie will lead him to life euerlasting Christ hauing giuen the keies of heauen thervnto that is to say full power to shut and open heauen by binding or loosing sinnes vpon earth and that in such sort saith S. Chrysostome and all other ancient Fathers with him that the Courte or Tribunall of heauen standeth expecting vvhat is done vpon earth to confirme the same there for so much as euer since this admirable vniuersall and dreadfull authoritie was giuen say they by Christ vpon earth vnto the Gouernours of his Church nothing is done in that Court of heauen but by presidence and predetermination of that which is done or sentenced in the Tribunall of the militant Church on earth that is to say he that is here absolued is absolued there he that is here condemned is condemned there without remission VVherof also the said Fathers do inferre that to find out this authoritie and to follow the same and the direction therof is the only sure way to saluation And that the erring herin either wilfully or of ignorance is the most certaine path to damnation for that by no other ordinary means since this Commission giuen and authoritie instituted among Christians is any grace fauour pardon light direction or other spirituall benefit to be receiued from God but by way of this subordination of spirituall authoritie appointed in his Church 6. VVherfore al hope of life depēding as you see of this soueraigne point so as whosoeuer erreth in this erreth in al ech man wil easilie cōsider how much it importeth him to looke well thervnto and to stand attentiue and vigilant in the discussion therof to see whence and how and by what means and from what sourge and fountaine this authoritie and spirituall Iurisdiction is deriued In which point the three professors of different religions before mentioned doe principally differ and distinguish themselues The Protestāt deducing this spiritual power from the temporall Prince or rather Princesse vnder Q. Elizabeth The Puritane from the people The Catholicke from the succession of Bishops from Christs time downe wards and especially from the highest which they hold to be S. Peter and his successours And which part soeuer of these three hitteth right goeth happely securelie the other two doe run to euerlasting perditiō 7. The Protestant for his ground hath those sayings of scripture That all orderly authoritie is from God That vve must giue to Cesar that vvhich is Cesars That Princes are to be honoured and obeyed for God and Kings as highest in dignitie and that he vvhich resisteth lavvfull authoritie resisteth Gods ordination and therby incurreth damnation c. All which the other two parties granting doe affirme to haue byn vnderstood of temporall authoritie only for gouerning the Commonwealth and not of spirituall for gouerning of soules which they proue for that all Kings and Princes were then infidels and especially the Roman Emperours of whom this was principally meant who by these places of scriptures cannot be said to haue receiued Commission to gouerne the Christian Church which was in their times and vnder their dominions but onlie in temporall matters and Ciuill affaires And that the spirituall power and iurisdiction wherof we talke was at that time in another sorte of men to wit in the Apostles and their successours which were Bishops according to the testimonie of S. Paul in the Acts of the Apostles speaking vnto them and saying The holie Ghost hath placed you Bishops to gouerne his Church vvhich he hath purchased vvith his ovvne bloud 8. The Puritanes or rigid Caluinists haue for their ground certaine elections made by the people and recorded as well in the Acts of the Apostles as in other histories of the Primitiue Church as for example when they chose two in the place of Iudas to wit Ioseph and Matthias to bee determined by lot which of them should be And when afterward they chose S. Stephen six others to supply the place of Deacons many times afterward in the primitiue Church we read that the people did choose or name their Bishops But to this the other two parties doe answere that in the first two examples out of the Acts of the Apostles it is euident by the Text that those elections or nominations
his flocke Pasce oues meas pasce agnos meos c. 13. This Spirituall and Ecclesiasticall Power then which Christ hath left for gouerning his Church though it be to be exercised heere vpon earth and by men yet is it iustlie called by holie fathers not humane Power but diuine and heauenlie both for that it was giuen immediatelie and exercised also by Christ himself that came from heauen and for that it tendeth to heauen and is approued in heauen yea to vse the Phrase of S. Chrisostome and other Fathers directeth and commaundeth the verie Tribunall of heauen which heauenlie Power on earth S. Paul as an Apostle extraordinary hauing extraordinarilie also receiued not by man but by Iesus Christ as himself doth signifie did so much glorie of as he wrote to the Corinthians If I should glorie some what of our Power which Christ hath giuen vs to edification and not to destruction I would not blush at it And a litle before in the same Chapter he saith Nam arma militiae nostrae non carnalia sunt sed potentia Deo c. For the armour of our warrfare are not carnall or wordlie armes but are power from God In promptu habentes vlcisci omnem inobedientiam c. hauing speedy means to reuenge all inobedience And yet further to the said Corinthians within two Chapters after Quoniam si venero iterum non parcam If I come vnto you againe I will not spare to punish And a little after in the same place Ideo absens scribo vt non durius agam secundum potestatem quam Dominus dedit mihi I doe write vnto you absent to the end that when I shall come and be present with you I be not forced to deale more roughly according to the Power which our Lord hath giuen me 14. Beholde the dreadfull Spirituall Power which S. Paul affirmeth to be giuen to him by Christ as well to punish as to instruct and direct and according to this Power he writeth againe to the said Corinthians Quid vultis in virga veniam ad vos an in charitate spiritu mansuetudinis what will you haue mee doe shall I come vnto you in the power of the rodd or in loue and spirit of mildnes As who would saie choose which you will And note that heer the Power of correction giuen to the Apostles their successours is called the rodd in respect of strikinge as before in the words of Christ it was called the key of the kingdome of heauen and the power of binding and loosing sinnes in regard of the dreadfull shutting or opening heauen or hell gates vnto vs. And accordinge to this power S. Paul afterward exercised iudgment gaue sentence in a certaine grieuous case of Incest among the said Corinthians in these words Ego autem absens corpore praesens autem spiritu iam iudicani vt praesens eum qui sic operatus est I though absent in body yet present with you in spirit haue giuen iudgment vpon him that hath committed this sinne as though I were present in body And the same Apostle writinge to his scholler Timothie doth tell of another sentence and iudgment pronounced by him vpon Hymenaeus and Alexander two seditions and hereticall men quos tradidi Sathanae saith he whome I haue deliuered ouer to Sathan which is as much to saie as I haue excommunicated cut them of from the Church of God wherby they come to be no more in the protection of Christ but in the power and protection of Sathan 15. And the like Spirituall Iudgment was exercised by S. Peter vpon Simon Magus when he said vnto him Non est tibi pars neque sors in sermone isto Thou hast no parte nor participation with vs in this word of God which we preach By which words of S. Peter the 30. Canon of the Apostles doth affime Simon Magus to haue bene excommunicated and cut of from the number of Christians and from all spirituall benefit belonging thervnto Which if we beleue S. Augustine was a more greiuous and dreadfull punishment than if he had been sentenced to be burned vvith fire drowned vvith vvater or pearced through vvith a temporall sworde In consideration wherof holie S. Chrysostome cryed out in his time Nemo contemnat vinculae Ecclesiastica non enim homo est qui ligat sed Christus qui nobis hant potestatem dedit Oh let no man contemne the chaines which ecclesiasticall power laieth vpon him in bindinge or loosinge his sinnes for it is not man that bindeth but Christ which hath giuen vnto vs that are Gouernours of his Church this power And S. Augustine againe Alligatur bomo amarius infaelicius Ecclesia clauibus quam quibuslibet grauissimis durissimis ferreis vel adamantini● nexibus A man is bound more bitterlie miserably by the keyes of the Church than by any most greiuous sharpe iron or adamāt bounds Wherof the holy Martyr and Bishop S. Cyprian gaue the reason before them both sayinge That in the old law vvhich vvas Carnall God gaue cōmaundement that such as were rebellious to their Priests and Iudges should be slaine vvith the sword But now in the lavv of Christ that is Spirituall proude and disobedient men are commaunded to be slaine eternallie vvith the spirituall svvord vvhich is their castinge out from the Church out of vvhich they cannot haue life 16. This then is the Spirituall and Ecclesiasticall dreadfull Power which Christ hath planted in his Church by his owne immediate commission for gouerninge the same in the affaires of our soules vnto the worlds end And heere we may note also that the same is double or of two sortes The one internall concerning mans conscience onlie by loosinge or bindinge sinnes by means of Sacraments The other is external Iurisdiction in hearing iudging and determining causes in publicke affaires that doe fall out in the Church tending to the same end and this distinction is founded in the words of Christ himself as well for binding and loosing of sinnes in respect of our conscience as also in that he addeth Si ecclesiam non audierit sit tibi tanquam Ethnicus Publicanus If he heare not the Church let him be to thee as a Heathen or Publican that is to say as holy Fathers expound let him be excomunicated cast out from the Church and then fled and auoided as one seperated by the authoritie of the said Church from all communion and fruite of Christian religion as much as if he were an Infidell or Publican Which meaning of our Sauiour S. Paul well vnderstandinge said of like men Auferte malum ex vobisipsis Take away and seperate the euill from among your selues which words S. Augustine expoundinge saith to be as much as if he had said Hominem malum pernicipsum à vobis seperate per excommunicationem Doe you seperate from your selues an
that fal out much lesse authors of the same for their silence or not reuealing as in this case of the Iesuits you labour to inferre 15. But in truth Sir it seemeth that you attended more to the art of Oratory then to the coherence of Truth in that your speach for that presentlie after your former vvordes you added these for the beginning of your declamatiō In this discourse I will speake saie you of no other circumstances but of treason and of no other treasons but the Iesuits trea●ons of no other Iesuits treasons but such as shal par●iculerly concerne this prisoner VVherin notvvith●tāding verie soone after contradicting your self you brought in a long discourse of the antiquity ●nd inuisibilitie of your Church as also of Equi●ocation and manie other things vvhich are no ●ircumstances of treason You handled also of ●he Northerne Earles Excommunication of the Queeene and diuers other such things as hap●ened before the Iesuits came into England and ●onsequentlie could be no Iesuits treasons And vvhen you come to treat of the prisoner him●elf and to proue him a traitor you begin vvith ● Statute set forth in the 23. yeare of the late Queenes raigne vvhich made all Iesuits and other Pristes traitors that came into England or remained in the same and consequentlie concerned not the prisoner in such speciall māner as you vvould seeme to promise or if it did yet manie other things you bring in and handle as that of Lopus the Ievv VVilliams York Squier Colen partlie Protestants and partli● Catholickes vvho vvhatsoeuer their causes vvere vvherof somvvhat shal be spoken after yet touched they nothing at all that prisoner vvho yet neuer dealt vvith them nor euer vvas accused concerning them VVherevpon is inferred that no one of your three-fold members before mentioned vvas performed by you to vvit that you would speake of no other circumstances but of treason and of no other treasons but of Iesuits treasons of no other Iesuits treasons but such as should particulerly concerne the prisoner at the barre 16. But this defect I suppose that all your auditorie did not obserue by reason of the multitude of other tumultuary matters dravvne in by you against the said prisoner but yet your Rhetoricke in amplifying one point about the first lavv alleadged against the comming in of Priests and Iesuitts vvas so markeable as no man I thinke vvas so dull as did not obserue it and beare it avvay To vvit that vvhereas the said lavv did forbid all Priests vnder paine of death and treason not to come into England or execute anie parte of their priestlie function vvithin the Realme as to preach teach offer sacrifice heare Confessions absolue from sinnes reconcile to God and to the vnion of his Catholicke Church dissuade from sects and heresies and other like offices you in commendation of that lavv protested to proue it to be the most myldest law the sweetest law the law most full of mercy and pitty that euer was enacted by any Prince so iniuriously prouoked And you added in the heat of your eloquence that if you proued ●ot this then let the vvorld saie That Garnet is an honest man VVhich vvas a vvarrāt to al the hearers up hold him for such for so much as no man vvas there so simple but savv it impossible for you to ●roue that assertion and consequentlie that in all their hearings you canonized his honesty ●● For hovv did you go about to proue M. Attor●●y that this lavv was so myld so ful of pitty lenity ●or sooth for that you saie the meaning was by kee●ing Priests of and expelling those that were within to ●●are their bloud though if they retyred not to spill it ●magine that then if in Queene Maryes dayes for ●xample such a lavv had byn made against Prote●tant-Ministers that came from Geneua and other ●laces of Germany vvould you M. Attorney haue ●eemed that lavv a gentle law a sweet myld law a ●aw ful of mercy pitty clemēcy I presume you dare ●ot saie it But let vs vse an other example of much ●ore moment If in the Apostles time such a lavv ●ad byn made by anie King or Emperour of con●rarie religion to them that if anie of the said Apostles or Priests for so they vvere should enter ●nto their dominions to preach a contrarie do●trine to the religion there receaued and establis●ed and to exercise anie of their Apostolicall or Priestlie functions it should be treason and paine of death could this be called a myld law a sweet lavv a lavv ful of pitty compassion a lavv made for not spilling their bloud or vvould or could the Apostles or their follovvers haue obeyed this lavv or did they obey the Gouernours of the Ievves othervvise their lavvfull Superiours vvhen they cōmanded them to preach no more in the name of Christ or to disperse Christian doctrine vvhich they called seditious or to reconcile anie to Christian religion vvhich they held for treason or did they flie though Princes Emperours aftervvardes by publicke Edicts did commaund them out of their dominions or is there not another bloud to be respected called by the Prophet the bloud of the soule vvhereof the Pastor shall be guiltie if he flie for feare or forsake his flocke in time of daunger and persecution is not all this so or can it be denyed or haue not English Priests the same obligation of conscience to help their Coūtrey and countrymen in spirituall necessities as had the Apostles and Apostolicke men to strangers for vvhose helpe yet they vvere content to offer their liues and incurre anie daunger vvhatsoeuer VVherefore M. Attorney to speake a truth if you deale vvith men of vnderstanding it is but fond and if of Christian courage it is but trifling eloquence all that in this point you haue vsed about the myldnes svveetnes mercy and compassion of this cruell and bloudy lavv of Queene Elizabeth Children maie be delighted and de●uded vvith such bables but vvise-men doe laugh at them 18. Concerning the other heads of doctrine vvhich pleased you to handle in this arraignemēt ●t the barre vvith no small ostentation of vvor●es as being in your ovvne Center namelie Of the Antiquity of your Church Equiuocation and some ●ther such points as they vvere not much ad rem in that assemblie busines so could your friends ●aue vvished that either you had omitted them al●ogeather or handled them more substantiallie or as for Equiuocation or mentall reseruation of a ●●ne sense in a doubtful speach it seemeth plainlie ●●at you vnderstād not the Questiō nor the mea●ing vvhich both ancient and moderne learned ●en haue in holding that true and necessarie ●octrine no marueile for t●at it hath not byn I ●●inke your educatiō to be troubled much vvith scrupulositie of vvordes to vvit vvhat sense maie ●e held therin vvithout sinne vvhat not the ●●amen of vvhich matters belong to more tender ● timerous cōsciences then Kings
Benedict and others all making the same accompt of the Roman Church doctrine sanctity and authority thereof as the former Fathers did And hovv then could come in this transfusion and transmutation of gold into lead vvhich you dreame of M. Attorney and are content to deceaue your ●●f and others to your eternall perill of perdition 〈◊〉 this nevv inuention of a golden wedge vvhereof ●●n saie that you are a fast friend but this apper●●yneth rather to my second argument to shevv the morall impossibilitie also of this seelie fiction For let vs suppose that there vvere a wedge ●● gold so dearelie bought and purchased so care●●●lie deliuered and ●o earnestlie recōmended to the possessors as the Church of Christ vvas vnto his disciples and follovvers and that there vvere so ●any vvatch-men appointed to looke continu●●lie vpon this golden wedge and so sure a guard allovved them for defence of the same as Christ appointed Pastors ouer his Church offering them for guard his vvhole povver and omnipotencie ●o defend it and if this vvere so hovv could this ●●edge that from the beginning vvas pure golde ●●e imagined to loose her nature and passe into other baser mettalls or be melted mingled dissolued or changed into the same vvithout that any ●ne of the foresaid vvatch-men should open his ●outh resist or testify this chaunge Are not ●hese morall impossibilities and metaphysicall imaginations onlie to delude your selues and others ●6 Let vs compare then brieflie these matters togeather VVe read in all Authors and see by experience that in sixteene hundred yeares sin● Christ his Church vvas founded and set on foot that in euerie age the Doctors Prelates and Pastors that vvere vvatch-men of the Church for that time vvere so diligent in their vvatch as 〈◊〉 least errour or heresie appeared in their daies bu●● presentlie they cryed out made vvarre against i● and finallie by help and assistance of their guard and Captaine in the end ouercame and vanguished the same Let the examples of Simon Magus● Philetus Hymenaeus Cerinthus Ebion Menander and other heretickes rising vp amongst the Apostle be examples for the first age Saturninus Basilide Carpocrates Cerdon Valentinus Marcion Apelle●● and others for the second Nouatus Sabellius Manes Noetus and their follovvers for the third Arrius Aerius Photinus Iouinian Donatus Apollinaris their adherents for the fourth so in euerie age vnto our dayes vvherein no man vvas spared though he vvere neuer so great no former meritts respected though neuer so many if he vttered any thing against the common receaued vniuersall Catholicke faith And so vve see that both Origen and Tertullian most rare learned men vvere condemned Osius and Lucifer Calaritanus tvvo famous Bishops noted S. Cyprian also one of the oracles of the Christian vvorld called in question for points of doctrine different from the vniuersall Church VVhereof vve doe inferre most euidentlie and ●●ainlie that if any Fathers in the eusuing ages ●● vttered anie thing in their speaches sermons vvritings that in any least point had byn different from the said vniuersall Catholicke doctrine it vvould haue byn resisted in like man●●● and noted in one Countrey or other and ●●er vvould haue passed for Catholicke do●●●ne to their posteritie vvithout note or repre●●sion at all As for example to take one for all for that ●●one all maie be iudged of If S. Augustine that 〈◊〉 more then a hundred yeares after those mar●●● Popes of Rome vvhich you mention did ●●th preach and vvrite in so manie places of his ●orkes of Purgatory of the Sacrifice of the Masse ● Iustification by good vvorkes of Praier for the ●●●d of the single life of Clergy-men of the Perfection ●●religious life of the Preheminencie of the Sea of ●●me and manie other such articles expreslie ●●posite to that you hold commonlie in England ●hich he handleth so plainlie as anie of vs can ●●e in these our dayes if anie of these pointes ●●d byn strange or nevv doctrine at that time 〈◊〉 so much as suspected of error heresie or fal●●●ood no man of common sense can imagine ●ut that they vvould haue byn contradicted or ●oted by some man or other so manie learned godly men liuing vvith him and after him b● this vvill neuer be proued to be so or that the points or the like vvherein vve differ from 〈◊〉 Protestans vvere either in him or other noted ●● condemned for heresies and consequentlie b●● this argument of morall euidence it is conuince● that they vvere neuer accompted either errors 〈◊〉 heresies before the hereticall contradictions 〈◊〉 these later ages sprang vp that by such as vve●● accompted and condemned by the vniuersal Church of Christ for hereticks themselues 28. And as for the comparison of the true Catholicke Church of Christ vnto a wedge of gold so mingled vvith lead copper baser mettalls as it cannot be knovvne vvhere it is is a verie base and leadden comparison by M. Attorneyes leaue For if the Church must baptize the Church must instruct vs the Church must gouerne vs and minister vs Sacraments resolue our doubts and giue vs directions to life euerlasting hovv can men repaire vnto her that is so hidden couered as she can neither be seene nor found Nay you saie it makes no great matter where she is so you be certaine that she be By vvhich doctrine a man in England may be as vvell saued by a Church in Constantinople or in the Indyes as in England it self seing there is no conuersation necessarie vvith it no cōference to treaty no recourse no dependence of it no obediēce vnto it nor importeth it vvhere ●t be so I be sure it be in some place though I knovv not vvhere or in vvhome And vvhat doth ●his certaintie auaile me M. Attorney if I haue no ●enefit from her These be those monstrous and strange Chimeraes in deed floating in vncertaintyes vvhich you mention in your Preface to the Rea●er for that these are euacuations and exinanitiōs ●f all fruite of Christian doctrine dravving all to ●eere fancyes of idle conceites vvithout effectes ●f anie substantiall fruite or spiritual helpe vvhat●oeuer For vvhereas all the ancient Fathers in all ●●eir vvorkes doe labour to set forth vnto vs the ●●finite real benefits vvhich vve receaue by being in the true Catholicke Church as all those before mentioned of instruction gouerment grace ●y Sacraments remission of sinnes and the like and that it is impossible to be saued vnles a man ●●e in her reuerence her heare and obey her feare ●● go out of her and consequentlie haue daily and ●ourlie treating vvith her and dependance of ●●er vvvhich cannot be vvithout certaine knovv●●dge vvhere she is or euident signes hovv to knovv and discerne her from all others you by a contrarie nevv deuise neuer heard of I thinke be●●re doe affirme that it importeth not where your church was for many ages and hundreds of yeares so ●●at she were at all 29. And thus much for her
inuisibilitie in those ages but novv she is become visible in our daies Nay you doe set her forth vvith so great an enlargement of greatnes and glorious apparence as you say she is more extended now then ours For that quoth you vve haue all England all Scotland all Germany all Denmarke all Poland a great part of France and some part of Italie VVherein your large extension of your Church in this second parte of your Relation if vve could beleeue you is no lesse strange then vvas your restriction of her secresie and inuisibilitie in the first For vvho vvil graunt you al England for Protestants vvhen they shall see so many prouisions made against both English Catholickes Puritanes vvhich later part of men as vvel as the former that they cānot make one Church vvith you shall presētlie be shevved in the Preface of this vvorke 30. Hovv you haue all Germany for youres there being so manie religions and the greatest parte Catholicke and other different Sects greatlie disagreeing from you I knovv not by vvhat figure you can make your Reader to beleeue that you speake truth The like I saie of Denmarke vvhere al are Lutheranes and not of your Church nor vvill it admit Caluinistes to dvvell or dy or be buried amongst them Of all Poland it is a notable hyperbole for so much as both the King ●●d State professe publicklie the Catholicke reli●●on and the Sectaryes that are in that kingdome ●●e Trinitarians Arrians Anabaptists more perhaps ●●nuber then Caluinistes I marueile you omitted ●●ecia and Noruegia vvhere as they are not Catho●●●kes so are they not of your religion or Church 〈◊〉 nor those of France neither though they be ●●luinistes for as for your some parte of Italie I ●old to be no parte at all nor vvas it anie thing ●se but a certaine ouerflovving of your speach to ●ake the full sound of a greater number the Pro●●stants of France I say cannot make one Church ●●ith you as neither those of Scotland vvith the residue of Holland Zealand and other of ●●ose Prouinces vnited of Geneua as their Mo●●er-Church these I say being all Puritanes ●●d Precisians cannot make any Church vvith ●ou in that vnion of faith and doctrine vvhich ●●e vnity of a Church requireth as by your and ●●eir ovvne confession vvritinges testimonyes ●●d protestations is extant in the vvorld to be ●●ene Wherefore I shall desire the intelligent Rea●●r to make vvith me a briefe recollection about ● Attorneyes doctrine for his Church First he ●●aunteth as you haue heard the Roman Church 〈◊〉 haue byn the true Mother-Church for diuers ●ges togeather spread ouer the vvhole vvorld dilated throughout all Prouinces perspicuous eminent and admirable in florishing glorie by the greatnes and multitude of her children professing Christ euery-vvhere in vnion of faith doctrine and Sacraments as the holie Fathers i● those ages and others ensuing doe testify vnto vs 32. Secondlie he vvill haue this glorious Churc● so to haue fallen sicke pyned and vvithered● vvay vvithout groaning and so to haue vanishe● out of mens sightes as she could not be knovvn vvhere she vvas for many hundred yeares togeather nay he vvill haue her to be like a wedge o● golde so corrupted and mingled vvith lead an● tinne as no man can tell vvhere the gold lieth except he try it vvith the touch-stone vvhich touch stone in our case he saith to be the scripture vvhereby the Church must by euerie man be tryed and touched so as ech one that vvill knovv this Church and haue benefit from the same mus● touch her first see vvhether she be the Church or no and so in-steed of submitting himself vnto her and to be directed by her he must first mak● himselfe touch-maister and Iudge ouer her 33. Thirdlie M Attorney hauing shifted of this time of the inuisibility of his Church in this sort he novv in this last age maketh her so visible againe vpon the suddaine as that she comprehendeth all the Churches of the aforenamed King●●mes of vvhat Sect or profession soeuer so that ●●●y differ from the Catholicke vvhich are some ●●ne or ten Sectes at the least al dissenting amōg ●●●mselues professing in their vvritings actes ●●d doings that they are not of one religion nor ●●nsequentlie can be of one Church and yet e●●●ie one goeth vvith his touch-stone in his hand 〈◊〉 vvit the Bible as vvell as M. Attorney and are ●eady to touch him and his Church as he them ●●d theirs but vvith different effect and successe 〈◊〉 he fyndeth by this touchstone as you haue ●●ard that all they are of his Church but they ●●d euery one of them by the same touch-stone ●●e fynde the contrary and not one of them vvill ●●unt I saie not one of all the vvhole number of nevv Sectes that the Church of Englād as novv standeth is either the true Church of Christ or ●●eir Church and in this I dare ioyne issue vvith ● Attorney out of their ovvne bookes assertions ●●d protestations So as novv M. Attorney that vvhich in the ●●●iptures is so memorable of it self so commen●●d by Christ our Sauiour so respected by the A●●stles so testifyed and defended by the primitiue ●artyrs so magnifyed by the ancient Doctors ●●d Fathers and by all good Christians so reue●●nced and dreaded I meane the glorious name ●f the Catholicke and vniuersall Church and the benefit to be in her and of her vvithout vvhich no saluation can be hoped for of Christ but ineuitable and euerlasting perdition by vvhich on the other side and in which saluation onlie maie be attained all this I saie is come to be so poore base and contemptible a thing vvith you and so vncertayne as you knovv not vvhere your Church is nor greatlie care so that at all she be and vvhen you name your Sectary-brethren and associates therein they denie you and your alliance as you see and vvhen you assigne your touch-stone of scriptures they vse the same against you and proue thereby youres to be no Church and ech one of themselues in seuerall to be the onlie true and Christian Church And this haue you gained by leauing the Roman vvhich you graunt in old times to haue byn the holy mother-Church see vvherevnto you are come and this shall suffice for this matter 35. This epistle vvould grovv ouerlong if I should entertaine my self in all the impertinent speeches vvhich you had that daie in your glorie as it semeth against Catholickes the least parte vvhereof did in vvise-mens sightes concerne the prisoner at the barre though by your Rhetoricall application all vvas dravven vpon him by hooke or by crooke for that Yorke VVilliams Colen Squiar and Lopus vvere brought in squadron to muster there to that effect vvherof all notvvithstanding except the last are defended and their conspiracies most euidentlie proued to haue byn feygned by a learned vvorthy and vvorshipfull gentleman of our Countrey dedicated these yeares past to the Lords of the late
though more fitlie the same might haue byn shewed out of many Christian authors of more authoritie that this heathen Yet let M. Attorney ioyne issue with me vpon antiquitie in this our controuersie which he ought to doe as well in regard of this sentence as also for that euery where he iterateth the name and sound of the ancient and most ancient Common-lawes of England and then will the matter be quicklie decided as the proofe will afterward declare whervnto I remit me and doe end my answere to M. Attorneys Preface returning him his freindlie Farewell as also to the Reader OF THE STATE OF THE QVESTION IN GENERALL Concerning Spirituall and Temporall Povver and Iurisdiction their origen and subordination one to the other And how they stand togeather in a Christian Common-wealth CHAP. II. TO the end that the prosecution and issue of the particular controuersie we haue in hand about the Spirituall authoritie of Q. Elizabeth may be more cleere it shall not be a misse perhapes in this very beginning to set downe breiflie what Catholike Deuines and other learned men doe write and holde of Power and Iurisdiction in generall and of the origen ofspring author diuision and partes therof wherin M. Attorney is wholie silent vsing no explication or distinction at all and consequently giueth occasion therby to some confusion 2. First then our Deuines affirme that almighty God is author of all lawfull Power whatsoeuer both spirituall and temporall according to that generall proposition of S. Paul Non est potestas nisi à Deo There is no power but from God For that as it pleased his diuine maiestie to imparte with man other sparkes of his excellencyes as wisdome reason knowledge prouidence and the like so vouchsafed he also to make man partaker of his power and authoritie not only to gouerne all other creatures of his in the worlde but mankynde also and this both in body and soule temporall and eternall things vnder him in this world as his liestennant and substitute 3. The differences which are betweene these two Powers Iurisdictions Spirituall and Temporall Ecclesiasticall and Ciuill are diuers and sundry taken from the diuersitie of their ends obiect The end of Spirituall Power being to direct vs to euerlasting saluation both by instruction discipline and correction and of the Temporall or Ciuill by like meanes and helps to gouerne well t●e Common-wealth in peace aboundance order iustice and prosperitie And accordinge to these ends are also their obiects matter and meanes As for example the former hath for her obiect spirituall things belonginge to the soule as matters of faith Doctrine Sacraments and such other and thy latter handleth the Ciuill affaires of the Realme and Common-wealth as they appertaine to the temporall good and prosperitie thereof 4. The ancient learned Father S. Gregorie Nazianzen in a certaine Oration of his doth expresse the nature and conditions of these two Powers Spirituall and Temporall Ecclesiasticall and Ciuill by the similitude of spirit and flesh soule and sense which he saith may be considered either as two distinct Common-wealths seperated the one from the other or conioyned togeather in one Common-wealth only An example of the former wherin they are seperated may be in Beasts Angells the one hauing their Common-wealth of Sense onlie without soule or spirit and their end and obiects conforme thervnto which are the nourishment and preseruation of the body And the other Common wealth of Angells being of spirit only without flesh or body but in man are conioyned both the one and the other And euen so in the Common wealth of the Gentiles was onlie authoritie politicall earthlie and humane giuen by God to gouerne worldlie and humaine things but not spirituall for the soule wheras contrarywise in the Primitiue Christian Church for almost 300. yeare togeather none or few Kings being yet conuerted onlie spiritual authoritie was exercised by the Apostle and Christians Bishopps their successours for gouerninge the Church in Ecclesiasticall affaires without temporall accordinge to the saying of S. Paul in the Acts of the Apostles speaking to Bishops Vos posuit Spiritus Sanctus Episcopos regere ecclesiam Dei The holy-ghost hath appointed you that are Bishops to gouerne his Church 5. And this Spirituall Iurisdiction in respect of the high end and obiect therof aboue the temporall did the same Apostles by instructiō of the same Holie Ghost so highlie esteeme as the same S. Paul writinge to the Corinthians and reprehendinge them for going to law about temporall things before the heathen magistrate said that in secular matters they should appoint for iudges such as were contemptible in the Church that is to say men of meane account which was spoken by him not for that he contemned temporall Power as the heretical Anabaptists out of this place would proue for so he should be contrarie to himselfe who a litle before as you haue heard auowed that all power is from God and in other places that the King and temporall magistrate is to be honoured and obeyed as Gods minister and the like but onlie he saith this in comparison the one of the other and of their ends and obiects so different in dignitie worthines as you haue heard And this continued in the Primitiue Church to witt Spirituall Iurisdiction without Temporall vntill Constantine the Great and other Emperours and Kings after him being conuerted to the Christian faith entred into the said Church retaininge their Temporall States and Temporall Power which before they had but submitting themselues in spirituall and Ecclesiasticall matters vnto the spirituall gouernment and gouernours which they found to haue been in the same Church before their conuersion 6. Furthermore besides these differences of the end and obiects of these two Powers the forsaid Deuines doe shew another no lesse considerable then the former which is that albeit both of them be of God and doe proceed from him as the Author origen as hath been said yet far differentlie for that Ecclesiasticall authoritie is immediatlie from God and was giuen by Christ immediatlie to his Apostles and Bishops as before you haue heard out of S. Paul who addeth in the same place that Christ gaue them this Spirituall Iurisdiction ouer that Church quam acqui fiuit sanguine suo which he had bought and purchased with his bloud to make them and others in respect of this dreadfull circumstance to esteeme and respect the more this Spirituall Iurisdiction ouer soules which Iurisdiction Christ also himself God and man did exercise in person vpon earth wholie seperated from the vse of all Temporall Iurisdiction notwithstanding he was Lord of all as the same Deuines out of the Ghospell doe proue S●ewing therby and by the long continuance of his Church without the said Temporall Authoritie that Spirituall Iurisdiction is wholy independent therof and vtterlie distinct by her owne nature 7. And albeit Ciuill Power and
Iurisdiction be of Gods institution also and duelie to be honoured in his Church and Christian common wealth as before wee haue shewed yet doe they teach the same to be far otherwise deriued and receiued from God then is Spirituall Power that is to saie not immediatlie by Gods owne deliuerie therof but mediatlie rather to witt by meditation of the law of nature and nations For by the law of nature God ●ath ordeined that there should be politicall gouernment for that otherwise no multitude could be preserued which the law of nations assuming hath transferred that gouernment vnto one or more according to the particular formes therof as Monarchie Aristocracy or Democracy or mixt wherin is to be noted that the ordination of God by the law of nature doth giue politicall Power vnto the multitude immediately and by them mediately to one or more as hath been said But Spirituall Power Christ gaue immediatly and by himself to the Apostles and their Successors by these words whatsoeuer you shall bind vpon earth the same s●all be bound in heauen And whatsoeuer you shall loose one earth shall be loosed in heauen Wherby you se a generall large commission graunted to them of binding loosing Quaecunque whatsoeuer without exception And the like to S. Peter as head and chiefe by speciall power and commission of those words Pasce oues meas Pasce agnos meos Feed my sheep feed my lambs thryse repeated signifying therby the Preheminence and Primacy of his Pastorall Authoritie in Gods Church as the auncient Fathers haue allwayes vnderstood the same For that to the office of Supreame feedinge is required also all other authoritie necessarie to gouerne direct commaund restraine and punish in like manner when need requireth 8. About which point is to be obserued and considered attent●uelie say Catholike Deuines and most learned lawyers that when God almightie giueth any office he giueth also sufficient Power and Authoritie euery way to execute that office as when he giueth the office of a King or temporal Magistrate for good of the Common-wealth he giueth Authoritie therwith not onlie to direct command and instruct but to punish and compell also yea and to extirpate and cut of those when need is that are rebellions or otherwise deserue that punishment And the like is to be obserued in Spirituall Power and Iurisdiction according to which the Ciuil law saith Cui Iurisdictio data est ea quoque concessa esse intelliguntur sine quibus Iurisdictio expleri non potuit To whosoeuer iurisdiction is giuen to him also must we vnderstand to be graunted all those thinges without which his Iurisdiction cannot be fulfilled And the Canon law to the same effect Iurisdictio nullius videretur esse momenti si coërcionem aliquam non haberet Iurisdiction would seeme to be of no moment if it had not some power to compell And finally it is a general rule giuen in the said Canon law that when anie cause is committed to anie man he is vnderstood to receiue also ful authoritie in al matters belonging to that cause 9. Out of all which is deduced that for so much as Christ our Sauiour God and Man hauing purchased to him felfe by the price of his owne blood a most deerlie beloued Church and committed the same as S. Paul saith to be gouerned by his Apostles and Bishops their successours vnto the worlds end it must needs follow that he hath indowed the same Church with sufficient spirituall Authoritie both directiue and coactiue to that end for gouerning our soules no lesse than he hath done the temporal Cōmonwealth for affaires of the body Nay much more by how much greater the importance is of the one than of the other as before hath been said 10. If you aske me yet more particularlie where and how by what commission and to whom Christ our Sauiour left this high Spiritual Power in his Church what it is and wherin it consisteth I answere first to the last that it consisteth as often hath been said in guiding our soules in this world to euerlasting saluation in the next Which thinge for that principallie it dependeth of this that we auoide sinnes in this life or if we committ them that they be pardoned vs or corrected by this Power Christ our Sauiour doth most aptlie giue and describe the same Power by the words of binding or loosing sinnes And therefore in the foresaid place alleadged out of S. Matthew his Ghospel he giueth the said commission as you haue heard VVhatsoeuer you shal binde or loose vpon earth shal be bound or loosed in heauen Wherby the Church of God hath allwaies vnderstood full authoritie of Iudicature to haue been giuen to the Apostles and their successors to discerne iudge binde or loose in all things belonging to this end of directing soules 11. Truth it is that diuers learned deuines are of opinion that in these places Christ did but promise to his Apostles to giue them this high iudiciall authoritie in his Church when by his death and resurrection it should be founded And that the actuall performance of this promise was made vnto them in the 20. if S. Iohns ghospell where Christ said vnto them Sicut misit me pater ego mitto vos As my father sent me so I doe send you and then presentlie breathing vpon then he addeth Receiue the Holie-ghost whose sinnes you shall forgiue they are forgiuen vnto them and whose you shal retaine they are retained Where we se that Christ speaketh now in the present tense they are forgiuen and they are retained and not in the future as before in the place of S. Matthew his ghospell And we must note that those words of our Sauiour As my father sent mee so I doe send you are vnderstood by auncient Doctors of Authoritie as though he had said that with the same power authoritie that my father sent mee into this world to gather gouerne my Church I doe also send you that is to saie withall spirituall power necessarie to your office and charge both on earth and in heanen And therfore he saith in S. Matthew his Ghospell That whatsoeuer they shall binde or loose vpon earth which are the Acts of high iudges shall be loosed or bound in heauen 12. And to S. Peter in like manner as Cheif of the rest the promise of his Supreame and singular power besides the other which out of the former general commission he receiued with the rest of the Apostles was made vnto him first in S. Matthews ghospell when Christ said Thou art Peter which signifieth a stone or rocke and vpon this rock will I build my Church and will giue vnto thee the keies of the Kingdome of heauen c. Which he perfourmed afterward in the 21. chapter of S. Iohn after his resurrection when asking him three times of his loue towards him he as manie times gaue him cōmission of high-pastor ouer
visitation of the Ecclesiasticall estate and persons and for their reformation order and correction of the same and of all manner of errors heresies c. is given to the Queene with full power and authoritie to assigne nominate and authorize others also to exercise and execute vnder her highnes all and all manner of Iurisdiction priuiledges and preheminences in anie wise touching or concerning anie spirituall or Ecclesiasticall Iurisdiction and to visit reforme redresse order correct and amend c. 19. Which words may seem by their often naming of visitation and visiting that they meant onlie to make the Queene a visitrix ouer the Cleargie which importeth much limitation of supreme power and yet on the other side they giue her all Iurisdiction Ecclesiasticall that euer hath been heertofore or may be exercised by anie Ecclesiasticall authoritie or person and that both she and her substitutes haue all and all manner of Iurisdiction priuiledges and preheminences concerning spirituall affaires as you haue heard So as on the one side they seeme to restraine and limitt not calling her head of the Church as before in the stile of K. Henrie and K. Edward was accustomed but rather a supreme Visitrix as by these words appeereth And on the otherside they giuing her all and all manner of Iurisdiction Ecclesiasticall that by anie power or person Ecclesiasticall hath euer heertofore been vsed or may be vsed including no doubt therin both the Pope and all other Bishops or Archbishops that euer haue exercised Iurisdiction in England they make her spirituall head of the Church in the highest degree giuing her the thinge without the name and dazeling the eyes of the ordinarie Reader with these multitude of words subtilie couched togeather And why so thinke yon I shall breefly disclose the mysterie of this matter 20. When K. Henry the eight had taken the Title of Supreame head of the Church vpon him as also the gouernours of K. Edward had giuen the same vnto him being but yet a child of 9. years old the Protestants of other Countries which were glad to se England brake more and more from the Pope whome they feared yet not willing insteed therof to put themselues wholie vnder temporall Princes but rather to rest at their owne libertie of chosing congregations and presbyteryes to gouerne began to mislike with this English stile of Supreame head as well the Lutheranes as appeereth by diuers of their writings as also the Zuinglians and much more afterward the Caluinists whereupon Iohn Caluin their head and founder in his Commentary vpon Amos the Prophet inueigheth bitterlie against the said Title and authoritie of supreame head taken first by King Henry and saith it was Tyrannicall and impious And the same assertion he held during his life as after by occasion more particularlie shall be shewed And the whole body of Caluinists throughout other Countryes are of the same opinion and faith though in England they be vpon this point deuided into Protestants and Puritans as all men know 21. This then being the State of thinges when Q. Elizabeth began her Raigne those that were neerest about her and most preuailed in Counsell inclining to haue a change in Religion that therby also other changes of dignities offices and liuings might insue and desiring to reduce all to the new Queens disposition but yet finding great difficultie and resistance in many of the Caluinists to giue the accustomed Title of headship in respect of Iohn Caluins reprobation therof they deuised a new forme and featute of words wherby couertly to giue the substance without the name that is to saie the whole spirituall power iurisdiction of supreame head vnder the name of Visitrix or supreame gouernesse as in the Oath of the same Statute is set downe where euery man vnder forfiture of all his lands and liuings and life also in the third time is bound to sweare and professe that he beleiueth in his cōscience that the said Qneene is supreame gouernesse in all causes Ecclesiastical in this sense and that there is no other Spirituall power or Ecclesiasticall Iurisdiction ouer soules in England but this of the Qneene or such as commeth from her And this was also the high iniquitie of this tragicall Comedye among other that the whole Realme being almost all Catholike and of a contrarie beleife at that time was forced to sweare within thirtie daies after the said Act to this fantasticall deuise of giuing supreame authoritie Spirituall to a woman wherof by naturall diuine and humane law she is not capable as in the next chapter shall bee proued being a deuise of some few in a corner first and then procured by negociation to passe in Parlament or els to incurre the daunger of the foresaid penalties that is to saie either sacrilegiouslie to forsweare themselues against their consciences or to vndoe themselues and theirs in wordlie affaires a hard and miserable choise 22. But now to the point it self what reall and substantiall difference thinke you can their be imagined between the spirituall Authortie of Head-ship giuen vnto K. Henry the 8. by the Statute of the 26. yeare of his reigne and this of visitrix or supreame gouernesse giuen to Q. Elizabeth in the first of her reigne Was not the self-same power and Iurisdiction ment to be giuen And if there bee no difference in the thing it self why doe they fly the word in this which they vsed in that and why doe they vse such large circumloquutions of visiting ordering redressing and the like For as for K. Henries statute it beareth this Title An act concerning the Kings highnes to be supreame head of the Church of England c. And in the statute it self it is said Be it enacted by the Authoritie of this present Parlament that the King our soueraigne Lord his heirs and successors shall be taken accepted and reputed the onlie supreame head on earth of the Church of England called Anglicana Ecclesia And the same Title was 9. or 10. years after giuen in like manner to K. Edward the sixt by the same Authoritie of Parlament if in this Case it had anie authoritie anecting also therunto all Iurisdiction spirituall whatsoeuer as it appeereth by a certaine declaration therof made in the Statute of the first year of the said King It saith thus That for so much as all authoritie of iurisdiction spirituall and temporall is deriued and deducted from the Kings Maiestie as supreame head of these Churches and Realmes of England and Ireland and so iustlie acknowledged by the Cleargie therof and that all Courts Ecclesiasticall within these said two Realmes be kept by no other power and authority either forreine or within the Realme but by the Authoritie of his most excelent Maiesty Be it therfore enacted that all sommons and citations and other processes Ecclesiasticall in all causes of Bastardy Bygamye and such like called Ecclesiasticall shall be made in the name of our King c. And that in
be subiect as the law saith 32. This law named here by S. Paul is the lawe instituted by Christ in the former wordes of Genesis where he appointeth women to be subiect not only at home vnto their husbandes but especially principally vnto the gouerment of man in Ecclesiasticall matters as you see by the application therof so often by S. Paul to Church affayres For before in the eleuenth chapter to the Corinthians he repeateth a precept of his owne made vnto them about veyling of womē in the Church as you haue heard founding the same vpon the first Institution of man and woman in paradise prouing thence that the woman could not be head in the Church and therfore must couer her head and therby yelde to her husband now in this place he giueth other strait precepts about womens silence and subiection in the Church and saith moreouer Qua scribe vobis Domini sunt praecepta These precepts which I write vnto you are not myne but of our Lord. Adding presently this terrible threat Qui autem ignorat ignor●bitu● he that knoweth not these things or will not know them shall not be knowne by the same Lord. And finally the same Apostle vnto Tymothie vrgeth the same againe concerning the Church Mulier in silentio discat cum omni subiectione Let the woman in the Church learne in silence with all subiection Marke the asseueration of all subiection What would S. Paul haue said if any woman in his tyme had challenged to her self all dominion in the Church and yelded subiection to no Ecclesiasticall person whatsoeuer 33. But to goe forward in the Institution of Christ for the spirituall gouerment of his Church when he had gouerned the same by men and not by women for the space of foure thousand yeares and more vnder the law both naturall and written and comming now to institute a new more exact and perfect gouerment therof vnder the law Euangelicall what did he was he vnmindfull of this his first Institution in paradise No For he chose men to witt his Apostles and their Successours to gouerne his Church saying vnto them As my father sent me so I send you whose sinnes you forgiue they shal be forgiuen whose you retaine shal be retained And to one of them in speciall I vvill giue vnto thee the keyes of the kingdome of heauen Feed my sheep● feed my lambes And S. Paul speaking to some of those spirituall Gouernours Priests and Prelates saith The holy ghost hath placed you sor Gouernours of Gods Church vvhich he hath purchased vnto himself vvith his owne bloud And againe the same Apostle to the Corinthians setting downe the subordination of the said Gouernours of Christs primitiue Church saith that the first degree was of Apostles the second of Prophets the third of Doctors c. And in all this is there no mention of women though there were many holy women among them and one more high in Gods fauour then they all as before hath been said Neither euer is it recorded that afterward any Apostle Father Doctor Councell Synode Schole Vniuersity Pope Prince Nation Countrey Common-wealth or priuate man in Christendome did appoint admit or allow any woman to be cheefe in spirituall matters before the English Parlament in the beginning of Q. Elizabeths raigne Nor can any Protestant in the world bring any one instance example or memory recorded by man or woman against this vniuersall prescription that I haue laid downe 34. And this is sufficient for proofe out of the Euangelicall law by Christs owne Institution albeit many other might be alleadged in the conformitie and confirmation herof as seuerall members of this proofe to witt the School-doctors that haue handled the same largely in their cōmentaryes and disputations vpon the 4. Booke of Sentences and els-where and doe by sound foundations ouerthrow the imaginary monstrosity of giuing spirituall Iurisdiction to women which is ascribed as an old heresie or madnes rather vnto the Cataphrygians and Pepuzians as may be read in Philastrius S. Epiphanius which heretiks notwithstanding did goe about to confirme their phantasy by those words of S. Paul In Christo neque masculus neque faemina c. that there is no difference of male or female in Christ that is to say whether he be man or woman Which the said doctors doe declare to haue byn meant of the faith of Christ and vocation to Christian Religion to witt that all are called and receiued equally but yet not to gouerment or Iurisdiction the in Church 35. The ranke of other doctors also that write of the morall part of diuinity appertayning to manners and Cases of Conscience doe handle the same at large vpon diuers occasions in their Treatises As also of the third sort of learned men Expositors of the Scriptures preachers teachers especially the anciēt Fathers who albeit they handle not this question of ours in particular and proper tearmes About the spirituall supremacy of a woman in the Church of God for that they neuer imagined any such thing would or could fall out yet in other occasions wherin great women sometymes not as heads but helpers to vnlawfull purposes would be medling in Ecclesiasticall affayres as the Empresse Eudoxia against S. Chrysostome the Empresse Iustina against S. Ambrose and other the like the said Fathers spake so sharply and reiected them with such indignation as a man may easely se what they would haue done if any least insinuation had bene made to challeng vnto them Ecclesiasticall power and Iurisdiction and much more to be heads of the Church which in those dayes was neuer so much as dreamed of And if the said Fathers vpon occasion offered did so earnestly deny vnto the husband of the one the sonne of the other that were Emperours the said supremacy in spirituall things or that they had any power at all in Ecclesiasticall causes as you haue heard what would they haue said to the women if they had pretended any such matter Let one short sentence of S. Chrisostome serue for all in generall to declare his opinion of womens gouerment euen in temporall thinges and much more in spirituall Caput omnino mulieris vir est saith he magna saeditas esset si superiora fiant inferiora ciput deorsum pedes sursum Man in all respects is head of the woman and it should be a great deformitie if the things which are the higher should bee made the lower and that the head should be brought vnder and the feet placed aboue 36. But in another place he decideth this our Question more in particular concerning spirituall gouernment remouing all women-kind from the possibilitie therof and for that his discourse in the said place is of great weight and consideration being sett downe between him his deer freind S. Basil in Dialogu-wise with much maturitie and doth not only deny all
proued For that he that giueth a power to an other is presupposed to haue it first in himself for that no man can giue that which himself hath not so as if Q. Elizabeth did giue any spirituall Iurisdiction to her Bishops to teach preach make Ministers absolute loose sinnes and the like who otherwise could haue no such authoritie at all she might no doubt haue exercised the same in her owne person as in all temporall Iurisdiction we see that whatsoeuer power the King giueth to any Gouernour Iudge or Magistrate to exercise in his name he may exercise the same also him self if he wil. And the same holdeth in the Pope for any spirituall Iurisdiction or function that he committeth to any Bishop Priest or Clerk whatsoeuer 42. A third reason is taken ab inconueniente to wit from this inconuenience that if a Queene could be spirituall head of the Church and should marry without making hir husband King she should be his spirituall head also to loose and bind his sinnes and to exercise Ecclesiasticall Censures of Iurisdiction Suspension or Excommunication against him at her pleasure and he for his part should be bound in conscience vnder payne of sinne to heare and follow her doctrine if at any time she list to preach vnto him or to prescribe what he must beleeue or not beleeue in matters of faith which besides that it should be contrary to that we haue alleadged before out of S. Paul and Christ his Institution for the subiection of women in these causes it would be very absurd and ridiculous also as you see and vnworthie of the excellent gouerment of Christ his Church instituted and framed by the highest wisdome of almighty God 43. Wherfore lastly to shutt vp this matter after all these proofes alleadged we shall adioyne one only more which howsoeuer it be esteemed of vs yet ought it to be of singular great moment with M. Attorney and this is the vniuersall agreement of all Protestants both of Caluin Luthers sect commonly throughout the world except only in England And as for Caluinists the matter is cleere if we respect France Germany Holland Zeland Scotland and other places who all agree in this point following therin their first Author Iohn Caluin who not only in the place by me alleadged vpō Amos the prophet but in diuers other places also of his workes doth earnestly impugne not only this Ecclesiasticall power of a woman but of any temporall Magistrate whatsoeuer affirming further in a certayne epistle of his to his freind Myconius that those who defend the same are prophane spirits and mad-men and that the Lord with the breath of his mouth shall destroy them and that both he and his would encounter and fight against them with a valiant and inuincible Zeale c. Of the same opinion and spirit was Theodore Beza the cheife scholer and successour of Caluin in his chayre of Geneua as appeareth by his writings and another chiefe scoller and companion of them both named Viretus in his dialogue intituled Of white Diuells calling them false Christians and dissembled diuells that defend this false position of Princes Ecclesiasticall Supremacy though they couer them selues saith he with the cloake of the Ghospell and then setteth he downe foure or fiue arguments to proue the position to be false which I pretermitt to recite in this place for breuities sake remitting the Reader to the booke it self for that it is exstant in English And I doe passe ouer the writings of many other principall men of that profession both in England and abroad who in this point are no lesse opposite and earnest against M. Attorney that we and are knowne in England by the name of Puritanes or precise Caluinists who being the farre greater parte if we respect all Countreyes about vs must needs in this point be confessed to haue more reason the thing being affirmed so earnestly as you haue heard by Caluin himself than the other of that sect who for pleasing of tēporall princes are accused by them to hold the contrary For that if Iohn Caluin be to be followed in all the rest as they confesse why not also in this And if the holy-ghost fayled him in this so important a point as comprehendeth the whole gouerment of their Church and the lawfull or vnlawfull vocation and function of their whole Ministerie what certaintie can they haue in any other thinge or point of his doctrine 44. But now not only those of the Caluinian sect but others also of the Lutheranes doe laugh at our English Protestants for holding this position of M. Attorney about Queene Elizabeths Spirituall and Ecclesiasticall Supremacie wherin not to weary the Reader which enumeration of many witnesses I shall alleadg only one for all but yet such a one as may well stand for all For that he is the most eminent and principall man of them all to vvitt Mart●nus Keronitius an ancient publike Reader of diuinity among the Lutherane Sect in Saxony that hath written many volumes for defence of the said sect in our dayes 45. This man then being consulted and demaunded his opinion by the Prince Elector of Brandeburg what was to be done in certaine points concerning those of the Caluinian sect he answereth him in a large epistle extant in print allowing first and greatly praysing the Princes iudgment Quod consultum non esse iudicat vt cum Caluinistis Generalis Synodus habeatur That his Highnes thought it not expedient to hold any generall Synode with the Caluinists as they desired for composing of Controuersyes betweene Lutherans and them 46. Secondly he addeth his owne iudgment vnto that of the Prince Elector about punishing the said Caluinists within his State affirming Non expedire vt punitionis officium contrae Caluinistas intereà temporis penitus quiescat It was not expedient that the office of punishing Caluinists should cease in the meane space vntill the said generall Synode were held as they demaunded 47. Thirdly and lastly hauing resolued these two points he passeth ouer to giue his iudgment in like manner to the said Elector about the Religion held in England and of Q. Elizabeth her self and her title of supremacy saying first that no good thing in Religion was further to be expected from her that she had vsed hardly the Protestants of Germany that she saw and felt no● a third sect risen vp in her Realme of Puritanes that hated both her and the other Caluinians that followed her who were enimies in like manner to Lutherans So he And then passing yet further he scoffeth merily that she being a woman had taken vpon her to make Ecclesiasticall lawes Et quòd faemineo à saeculis inaudito fastu se Papissam caput Ecclesia fecit That with a womanly pride neuer heard of in former ages she had made herself a She-pope head of the Church Thus Kemnitius And marke that he saith à saeculu inaudito
it must needs bee that he was gouernour vnder the Pope to whome he professeth as you haue heard obedience and subiection 16. But what proofe think you hath M. Attorney out of this King to shew that he exercised spirituall iurisdiction by vertue of his temporall crowne You shall heare it all as it lyeth in his booke for the whole narration is but of 3. or 4. lines taken out of K. Edward his lawes The words are these in Latin Rex autem qui vicarius summi regis est ad hoc constitutus est vt regnum populum Domini super omnia Sanctam Ecclesiam regat defendat ab iniuriosis malefices autem destruat Which M. Attorney Englisheth thus The King who is the vicar of the highest King is ordeined to this end that he should rule and gouerne the Kingdome people of the land and aboue all things the holy Church that he defend the same from wrong-doers and destroy and roote out workers of mischeif Which words supposing them to be truly alleadged as they lye haue a plaine and easy interpretation which is that the King as Gods minister for so S. Paul called also the hea-Magistrate must gouerne the Church and Cleargie of his land in temporal matters for that they are members also of the Common-wealth as before we shewed In which respect they are subiect to the sayd temporall Magistrate and in that sense to be gouerned by him though not in spirituall things 17. And if M. Attorney will inferre that because the King is cal-called Gods Vicar he hath spirituall Iurisdiction then may he as well inferre that the heathen Magistrate had spirituall Iurisdiction ouer Christians for that S. Paul calleth him the minister of God which is as much in effect as Vicar for that the minister supplieth the maisters place And thus you see that albeit we admit these words as heere they ly alleadged by M. Attorney noe aduantage can be rightly inferred against vs by them But I am forced to suspect some little fraud or shuffling to be vsed in the citation of this peece of law and therfore I intreate the Iudicious Reader who is learned and hath the commodity to see the Originals that he will examine both this and the former instance of K. Kenulfus in the authors whence they are taken for I haue them not by mee 18. The reasons of suspicion are first for that I see M. Attorney his translation in these few lines not to be very exact as it will appeare to him that examineth the same and secondly for that I find this clause of S. Edwards law differently alleaged heare by M. Attorney from that which is cited by Roger Houeden in the life of K. Henry the second as also from another allegation therof by Iohn Fox in his Acts and Monuments by all which may be gathered that the verbe regat is wrongly placed in M. Attorneys allegation which being amended and the said verbe placed before in his dew place the sense is perfect to witt vt Rex regnum terrenum populum Domini regat sanctam eius veneretur ecclesiam ab iniuriosis defendat c. that the King rule his earthly Kingdome and the people of God and reuerence and defend the holy Church Thus I say ought the words to stand to make good and congruons sense and not as they are transposed both by M. Attorney and Iohn Fox to make a blind sense who yet agree not in their allegations therof as in the places cited you may see 19. And this our assertion concerning the true sense meaning of the former clause is confirmed yet further by the words of K. Edward immediatly following in the same law omitted heere by M. Attorney but sett downe by Fox which are these Quod nisi secerit nomen regis in eo non constabit verum Papa Ioanne testante nomen Regis perdet If a King doe not perfourme the points before mentioned of gouerninge his people and defending the Church the name of a King agreeth not to him but he must leese that name as testifieth Pope Iohn So he And the same K. Edward in the end of this speach doth cite the authority of the said Pope Iohn againe saying that the wrote to Pipinus and his sonne Charles be●ore they came to be Kings of France that no man was worthy to be called a King except he did vigilantly defend and gouerne the Church and people of God So as now this gouernment of the Church which M. Attorney hitherto hath vrged so much against the Popes authority must be vnderstood according to the meaning and sense only of Pope Iohn who I suppose notwithstanding will not meane that temporall Princes shall be heads of the Church and to haue supreme spirituall Iurisdiction in causes Ecclesiasticall deriued from their Crownes as M. Attorneys meaning is And so you see vnto what good issue he hath brought this argument out of S. Edwards lawes which is that Kings haue so much gouernmēt ouer the Church as Pope Iohn allowed them and no more 20. And finally let vs heare the words of Pope Nicolas the second to this verie K. Edward concernining the gouernment he had ouer the Church for thus he writeth to him Vobis verò posteris vestris Regibus committimus aduocationem eiusdem loci omnium totius Angliae Ecclesiarum vt vite nostrae cum Consilio Episcoporum Abbalum constituatis vbique quae iusta sunt c. We doe cōmitte vnto you and to the Kings of England your Successours the aduocation and protection of the same place or monastery of VVestminster and of all the Churches throughout England to the end that in our name and authoritie you may by the counsell of your Bishops and Abbots appoint euery-where those thinges that are iust c. By which words is easie to see what gouernment and iurisdiction K. Edward had ouer the Church of England to witt by commission of the Pope noe otherwise By which cōmission also diuers other Catholike Princes haue had in sundrie cases cōmitted vnto them haue at this day spirituall Iurisdiction as namely the Kings of Sicily doe pretend to haue had to haue supreme spirituall authority in that Kingdome as legati à latere by concession of Pope Vrbanus the 2. graunted vnto Roger the Norman Earle of Sicily aboue fiue hundered years past to witt from the yeare of Christ 1097. And yet will none of those that defend this spirituall monarchy at this day for by that name it is called say that it descendeth by right of their Crownes but by concession and delegation of Popes And so much of this matter HOW THE ATTORNEY NOT BEING ABLE TO PROVE HIS AFFIRMATIVE PROPOSITION Of English Kings Iurisdiction Ecclesiasticall before the Conquest VVe doe ex abundanti proue the negatiue by ten seuerall sortes of most euident demonstrations that there was no such thing in that
said King and Bishops tooke vnto themselues wholesome counsaile choosing and ordeyning particular Bishops in euery prouince of the Geuisses or westsaxons And wheras the said prouince had but two Bishops in old time now they deuided the same into fiue and presently the Synod being ended the said Archbishop was sent to Rome with honourable presents Qui Papam saith our Authour cum magna humilitate placauit Decretum Regis recitauit quod Apostolico maximè placuit He did with great humilitie endeauour to pacify the said Pope Formosus reciting vnto him the decree that King Edward had made for better furnishing the Countrey with more Bishops for the time to come then euer had byn before which most of all pleased the Apostolicall Pope Wherfore the Archbishop retourning into England ordeyned in the Citty of Canterbury seaueu Bishops vpon one day appointing them seuen distinct Bishoprickes Atque hoc totum saith he Papa firmauit vt damnaretur in perpetuum qui hoc decretum infirmaret And the Pope Formosus did confirme this decree of this distinction of Bishops in England dāning him eternally which should goe about to infringe the same So Malmesbury and consider the authority here vsed 58. The same Pope also wrote a letter to the Bishopps of England by the said Archbishop Pleamond in these wordes To our brethren and children in Christ all the Bishopps of England Formosus We hauing heard of the wicked rytes of Idolatrous Pagans which haue begun to spring vp againe in your partes and that yow haue held your peace as dumme doggs not able to barke we had determined to strike you all with the sword of separation from the body of Christ and his Church but for so much as our deere brother Pleamond your Archbishop hath tolde me that at length you are awakened and haue begun to renew the seed of Gods word by preaching which was so honourably sowne from this Sea in times past in the land of England we haue drawne backe and stayed the deuouring sword and moreouer doe send you the benediction of almighty God and of S. Peter Prince of the Apostles praying for you that you may haue perseuerance in the good things which you haue well begune c. 59. Thus went that letter with a far longer exhortation ●● that behalfe with order and instruction how to proceed to co●tinew good Bishopps among them which was that as soone ●● knowledge came to the Metropolitan of any Bishop dead he should presently without delay cause another Canonically to be elected in his place and himself to consecrate the same And moreouer he determineth that the Bishop of Canterbury hath byn euer from ancient times held for chiefe Metropolitan of England otdeyened so by S. Gregory himself as in the Roman Registers was authenticall recorded and therefore he confirmeth the same threatning that what man soeuer shall goe about to infringe this decree shal be separated perpetually from the body of Christ and his Church So Malmesbury 60. And in this example we see many points expressing the sense of these ages as first the vigilancy of the Pope Formosus ouer England the affaires therof though far remote from him and altogether embroyled with warrs no lesse then ouer other Prouinces Kingdomes of the world which is conforme to that which S. Bede writeth of the like diligence of Pope Agatho aboue two hundred yeares before this of Formosus that is to say that he seing the heresie of Monethelites that held but one only will in Christ to spring vp and encrease in diuerse places of the world sent one expressly from Rome into England to learne what passed there Pope Agatho saith Bede being desirous to vnderstand as in other prouinces so also in Britany what was the state of the English Church and whether it preserued it self chaste and vnspotted from the contagions of heretickes sent into England for this purpose a most reuerend Abbot named Iohn who procuring a Synod of Bishops to be gathered togeather about that matter by Theodorus the Archbishop found that the Catholike faith in England was conserued in all points entire and inuiolated of which Synod he had an authenticall copie deliuered him by publicke testimony to be carryed to Rome Thus S. Bede touching the attention and diligence of Pope Agatho in our English Ecclesiasticall affaires 61. And it is to be noted that in the same Synod is sett downe that fower seuerall Kings concurred thervnto to giue therby satisfaction vnto the Pope to wit Egfryd King of the Northumber● Ethelred of the Mercians Adelnulphus of the Eastangles Lotharius of Kent which is conforme to that which the King Edward the first ●● the former example did when presently vpon the threatning letters of Pope Formosus he called forthwith a Councell remedyed the fault that was committed sent the Archbishop Pleamond to Rome to giue satisfaction and promise of amendment for the time to come which is to be presumed that none of these Kings would haue done if they had thought themselues iniured by this intermedling of the Pope as an externall power and that themselues had authority Ecclesiasticall deriued from their crownes to dispose order these things without any reference to the Sea Apostolike And so much for this argument and demonstration which openeth a window to see many things more which by me of purpose are pretermitted for that I couet not to be ouerlong The sixt Demonstration 62. The sixt Argument may be deduced from an vniuersall contemplation of all the Kings Archbishops and Bishops that haue liued and raigned togeather in all this tyme in England and the seuerall Prouinces and Kingdomes therof before the Conquest the Kings being in number aboue an hundred that were Christened as often before hath byn mentioned the Archbishops of Canterbury the spirituall heads of the English Church 32. from S. Augustine vnto Stigano and other Bishops of far greater number laying before our eyes what manner of men all these were what faith they beleeued and practised what vnion and subordination they had in spirituall and temporall iurisdiction amongst them selues both at home and abroad with the Sea Apostolike which in great part hath byn declared by the precedent arguments and demonstrations All which being layd togeather we may inferre that for so much as lawes are nothing else but ordinaunces and agreemenrs of the Prince and people to the publicke good of euery Kingdome State and Countrey we may inferre I say that according as we find the faith and religion of our Princes Bishops and people to haue byn in those dayes so were also their lawes For out of their religion they made their lawes and consequently it must needes follow that they being all perfectly Catholike according to the Roman vse as by all the former arguments you haue seene that they made no lawes concerning Ecclesiasticall matters nor admitted ●onceaued any from their ancestours nor could not doe they being also
greatly this violent seuerity towards Ecclesiasticall persons One thing saith he among so many excellent monuments of your royall vertues doth greatly mislike and afflict me and contristate my louing heart towards you that in the taking and detayning prisoner your brother Otho Bishop of Baion you had not that care which was conuenient of your Princely reputation but did prefer the secular caution of your temporall state before the law of God in not bearing more reuerence vnto Priestly dignity So he 4. And this very same violent nature of K. VVilliam who had byn a souldiar and borne armes and brought vp in continuall bloud-shed from eight years old as himself testifieth was that which pious and learned Lanfranke nominated chosen Archbishop of Canterbury after the deposition of the foresaid Stygand did so much feare and mislike at his first comming into England as may appeare by an epistle of his to Pope Alexander the second that had commaunded him sore against his will to leaue his monasterie in Normandy and to take that Archbishoprick vpon him but now being come into England and seeing how matters did passe there he was vtterly dismayed and besought the Pope by all means possible and by all the most effectuall wayes of persuasion he could deuise that he might be rid of it againe Your legat said he hauing gathered a Synod heer in Normandy commaunded mee by the authority of the Apostolike Sea to take the gouernment of the Church of Canterbury vpon mee neither could any resistance of my parte by laying forth the weaknes ●f my body the vnworthines of my person the lack of skill in the English tongue the barbarousness of the people nor any other such excuse take place with them wherefore at length I gaue my consent I am come hither into England and haue taken the charge vpon me wherin I find so great trouble and affliction of mind such rediousnes of my soule such want of courage in my self such perturbations such tribulations such afflictions such obdurations such ambition such beastlynesse in others and doe euery day heare see and feele such misery of the Church as it loatheth me to liue and am sory that I haue liued vnto this day For as the euils are great for the present so doe I expect far greater for the time to come c. Wherfore I doe most humble beseech your Highnes euen for Gods sake and for your owne soule that haue bound me to this charge that you will absolue me againe let me returne to my monasticall life which aboue all things in this world I loue and desire and let not me haue denyall in this one petition which hath both piety iustice and necessity in it c. 5. So wrote the Archbishop Lanfrank And that the most of this was meant in respect of difficulties with K. VVilliam himself it may be gathered by that in the same letter he desireth the Pope to pray for the said King VVilliam and among other points Vt cor eius ad amorem suum Sanctae Ecclesia spirituali semper deuotione compungat That God allmighty will stir his heart to loue him and his holy Church and bring it to compunction by spirituall deuotion For this was the thing that King VVilliam had most need of to wit spirituall compunction with a tender conscience whose affections were more out of order commonly then his iudgement which himselfe confessed with great lamentation at his death as you may read in Stow and other Authors For he I meane the King hauing related his hard proceedings in England he said that he was pricked and bitten inwardly with remorse and feare considering that in all these actions saith he cruell rashnesse hath raged And therfore I humbly beseech you ô Priests and ministers of Christ to commend me to the allmightie God that he will pardon my sinnes wherwith I am greatly pressed c. And wheras a little before he had raged in his warres against the Towne of Meaux in France and had burned diuers Churches therin and caused two holie men Anchorites to be burned in their Cells wherin they were included which might seem to be an act of no very good Catholike man God stroke him for it presentlie yet was not this of iudgement but of rage to vse his owne word and he sorely repented the same soone after and sent a great summe of money saith Stow to the Cleargie of Meaux that therby the Churches which he had burned might be repayred 6. And the same might be shewed by a like passionate accicident that fell out on the 13. yeare of his raigne and of Christ 1079. when hauing vpon ielousie of his estate forbidden that anie of his Bishops should goe ouer the sea to Rome Pope Gregorie the 7. wrote a sharpe reprehension therof to be denounced vnto him by Hubert his legat then residing in England saying that it was Irreuerentis impudentis animi praesumptio c. the presumption of an irreuerent and immodest mind to prohibite his Bishops to make recourse to the Sea Apostolike Which reprehension made him so enter into himself as he sent two Embassadours to Rome in Company of the said Hubert when he returned to excuse the matter and shewed himself afterward a most obedient and faithfull child to the said Church euen in that troublesome and tempestious time when Henry the Emperour with all forces impugned the same as appeareth by the letters yet extant of the same Pope Gregorie vnto him 7. Wherfore hauing premissed this for K. VVilliam and all his Successours of the Norman French English race in number aboue twentie for the space well neere of 500. years vntil K. Henry the 8. that whatsoeuer some particular actions of theirs vpon interest anger feare preuention of imagined daungers cōpetency or some other such like motiue may seeme to make doubtfull sometimes and in some occasions their iudgment or affection to the supreame Ecclesiasticall power and iurisdiction of the Sea Apostolike of Rome yet were they indeed neuer of anie contrary opinion faith or iudgment but held the very same in this point which all their auncestors the English Kings before the Conquest did and all Christian Princes of the world besides in their dayes And for K. VVilliam Conqueror in particular the seueral reasons that doe ensue may easilie conuince the same Reasons that shew VVilliam Conquerour to haue acknowledged euer the Authoritie of the Sea Apostolicke §. I. 8. First that before he would take in hand or resolue anie thing vpon the enterprice of England as already we hane noted● he sent his whole cause to be considered of examined and iudged by Pope Alexander the second shewing him the pretence he had by his affinity to K. Edward the Confessor deceased as also the said Kings election and nomination of him by testament the vnworthines of Harold the inuader the occasion of iust warre which he had giuen him
the same Archbishops returning the yeare following to England againe the said Pope Alexander wrote to K. VVilliam by them Alexander Episcopus Seruus Seruorum Dei Charissimo filio Gulielnio glorioso Regi Anglorum c. Wherein after he had tolde him Inter mundi Principes Rectores egregiam vestrae religionis fan●am intelligimus that among all the Princes gouernours of the world wee haue heard the singular fame of your religion exhorting him to goe forward in the same for that perseuerance only to the end is the thing which bringeth the Crowne of euerlasting reward he toucheth also diuers points of defending Ecclesiasticall persons and libertyes of the Church of releeuing oppressed people vnder his dominion telling him that God will exact a seuere accōpt therof at his hands which no doubt was meant principally of the oppressed English nation by him wherof Lanfranke secretly had informed the said Pope After all this I say he telleth him of certaine busines that he had committed to Lanfranke to be handled in England in a Synod to be gathered there as namely about the preheminence of the two Archbishopricks Canterbury and Yorke And also to heare againe and define the cause of the Bishop of Chichester deposed before by his legats And finally he concludeth that he should beleiue Lanfranke Vt nostrae dilectionis affectum plenius cognoscatis reliqua nostrae legationis verba attentius audiatis that by him you may more fully vnderstand the affection of our loue towards you as also heare more attentiuely the rest of our legation committed vnto him c. Where he speaketh to the King as you see like a Superiour And Iohn Stow reciting the history of the said Synod gathered about these matters in England the yeare following at VVindesor hath these words taken out of auncient historiographers This yeare by the commaundement of Pope Alexander and consent of King VVilliam the Conquerour in the presence of the said King his Bishops Prelates and Nobility the primacy which Lanfranke Archbishop of Canterbury claymed ouer the Church and Archbishop of Yorke was examined and try●d out c. Heere then was no repining of King VVilliam at the Popes authority in those dayes but all conformity rather with the same 13. I might alleadge many other examples to this effect as that which Stow writeth in the 17. yeare of the raigne of K. VVilliam and yeare of Christ 1083. that VVilliam Bishop of Durham by leaue of the King and nobles of the Realme went to Rome and obtained of Pope Gregory the 7. to bring the Monks from Tarrow and Yarmouth into the Cathedrall Church of Durham where he gaue to them lands Churches ornaments c. all which saith he K. VVilliam the Conqueror confirmed by his charter in confirmation no doubt of the Popes Charter which to procure he went to Rome and he had licence thervnto from the King and nobles that were sounders of that Church which licence they would neuer haue graunted if they had thought that the matter had appertained only to the King at home in his owne countrey and not to the Pope 14. And in the very same yeare K. VVilliam as before we haue touched being entred into great iealosie of the ambition and aspiring mynd of his halfe-brother Otho Bishop of Baion Earle of Kent least with his Councell and riches he might assist his sonne Ro●●rt and others that did rise in Normandy against him or as some thinke desirous to sease vpon his great riches and wealth which he gathered togeather he suddenlie returned from Normandy to the I le of VVight where he vnderstood the said Otho to be in great pompe pretending to goe to Rome and at vnawares apprehended him but yet for excuse of that violent fact upon a Bishop he made first a long speach vnto his nobles there present shewing that he did it not so much in respect of his owne temporall security as in defence of the Church which this man oppressed My brother saith he hath greatly oppressed England in my absence spoyled the Churches of their lands and rents made them naked of the ornaments giuen by our predecessours the Christian Kings that haue raigned before me in England and loued the Church of God endowing it with honours and gifts of many kindes VVherefore now as we beleeue they rest reioycing with a happy retribution Ethelbert and Edward S. Oswald Athulse Alfred Edward the elder Edgar and my cosen and most deare lord Edward the Confessor haue giuen riches vnto the holy Church the spouse of God my brother to whom I committed the gouernment of the whole Kingdome violently plucketh away their goods c. 15. This was one excuse vsed by the Conqueror Another was as Stow recordeth that he said that wheras his brother was both Bishops of Baion and Earle of Kent he apprehended him as Earle of Kent and not as Bishop of Baion that is to say as a lay-person and not as an Ecclesiasticall And yet further when he was vrged about that matter by his owne Prelates he was wont to say as Stow and others doe also note that he did it by particular licence of the Pope and not only by licence but also by his decree and commaundement and so he protested at his death Wherby we see how little opiniō he had of his owne spirituall iurisdiction in this behalfe Of King VVilliam the Conquerour his lawes in fauour of the Church and Church-men §. II. 16. But no one thing doth more exactly declare the sense and iudgement of King VVilliam in these things then his particular lawes which are recorded by Roger Houeden an author of good antiquity who shewing that King VVilliam in the 4. yeare of his raigne calling togeather all his Barons Gouernours of Prouinces twelue expert men out of euery shyre did reveiw the auncient lawes both of the English and Danes approuing those that were thought expedient and adding others of his owne beginning with those that appertained to the libertyes exaltation of the Church Taking our beginning saith he from the lawes of our holy mother the Church by which both King and Kingdome haue their sound fundament of subsisting c. And then followeth the first law with this title De clericis possessionibus corum Of Clergie-men their possessions the law it self is writen in these few words but containing much substance Omnis Clericus etiam omnes Scholares omnes res possessiones corum vbicunque fuerint pacem Dei Sanctae Ecclesiae habeant Let euery Clergie-man and all schollers and all their goods and possessions whersoeuer they be haue the peace of God and of holy Church And afterwards he declareth what this peace of the Church is to wit that neither their persons nor their goods can be arested molested or made to pay tribute or otherwise troubled by any secular iudge whatsoeuer 17. And in the second law
benefices Per annuium baculum that is by giuing them a ring a staffe which are the ordinarie signes and markes of taking possession of their iurisdiction which though the said Princes doe acknowledge to bee a spirituall Act and consequently not possible to descend from the right of their temporall Crowne as M. Attorney would haue it yet desired they to inioy it by Commission from the Sea Apostolicke in respect of their greater authoritie amonge their Subiects and for more breuitie of prouiding and establishing incumbentes when benefices of cure fell voide and for other such reasons wherof we may read in the liues of diuers of our Kings And namelie of King Henrie the first this Conquerour his sonne what earnest suite he made to haue these inuestitures graunted him which the Pope did flattly deny to doe yea and the greatest causes of that wonderfull breach between the Popes Alexander the 2. and Gregorie the 7. and others of that age with the Emperour Henrie and his Successours were by the occasion of these inuestitures which the said Popes would not graunt Albeit I find some ages after that the great and famous Lawyer Baldus aboue two hundred years gone recordeth that in his tyme two Kings only had these priuiledges graunted them from the Sea Apostolicke The King of England to wit and the King of Hungary which perhaps was in regard that their Kingdomes lay so far of as it might be preiudiciall to their Churches to expect allwayes the said Inuestitures from Rome But yet he expresly saith that it was by Commission and delegation of the Pope Papa saith he committit spiritualia etiam mero laico ideo Rex Anglorum rex Hungaria conferunt in suis Reguis Praebendas ex priuilegio Papa The pope may commit spirituall things to a meere lay-man and this he proueth by diuers texts of law and hence it is that the King of England and King of Hungary doe in their Kingdomes giue Prebends by priuiledge of the Pope Wherby we vnderstand that in Baldus his time it was held for a pecular priuiledge of these two Kings which fithence hath byn communicated to diuers other Christian Princes who doe vse and exercise the same at this day but yet none pretending it as from the right of their Crownes For they neuer pretended to giue benefice or Bishopricke by their owne Kingly authority but only to present and commend fit persons vnto the Sea Apostolicke to be admitted and inuested therby as all other Catholicke Princes at this day doe vse yea and that this right of presentation also they tooke not but by concession and approbation also of the foresaid Sea Apostolicke as by the former examples may appeere 35. And this is so much as I thinke cōuenient to saie in this place to M. Attorneys silly instance and I haue been the longer theraout for that this K. VVilliam is the head and roote of al the Kings following and this which hath been answered to this obiection will giue much light to all other instances that are to ensue And if anie King should haue taken anie other course from this established by the Conquerour their head and origen which yet none euer in any substantiall point did vntill King Henry the 8. you may see by all this discourse that the Conquerour might say of them as S. Iohn said of some of his Ex nobis prodierunt sed non erant exnobis And so much of the Conquerour OF KING WILLIAM RVFVS AND HENRY THE FIRST That vvere the Conquerours sonnes and of King Stephen his Nephevv And how they agreed with the said Conquerour in our Question of spirituall iurisdiction acknowledged by them to be in others and not in themselues CHAP. VIII THis beginning being established in the Conquerour cōforme to that which was in the precedent Kings before the Conquest their remaineth now that wee make our descent by shewing the like conformitie in all subsequent Kings vnto K. Henry the 8. according to our former promise Wherfore first in ranke there commeth K. VVilliam Rufus second sonne of the Conquerour among those of his children that liued at his death who being named to the succession by his said father vpon his death-bed so charged forewarned as you haue heard in this verie point of honoring the Church and Ecclesiasticall power and vnder that hope and expectation embraced and crowned by the good Archbishop Lanfranke 〈◊〉 king first his solemne Oath to the same effect which his father had taken before him in the day of his Coronation he gaue g●●● satisfaction contentment to all his people at the beginning of his raigne as all our historiographers doe testifie that is to say so long as Archbishop Lanfranke liued to whom he bare singular respect loue and reuerence but the said Archbishop deceasing in the second yeare of his raigne which was about the 20. of his age the young man as thinking himself free from all respect to God or man brake into those extreame disorders of life which our historyes doe recount 2. And among others or rather aboue others in oppressing the Church holding Bishopricks Abbies in his hands as they fell void and not bestowing them afterward but for bribes and Simony And namely the Archbishopricke of Canterbury he held foure years in his hand after the death of Lanfranke vntil at length falling greiuously sicke in the Citty of Glocester and fearing to dy made many promises of amending his life as namely saith Florentius Ecclesias non amplius vendere nec ad censum ponere sed illas Regia tueri potestate irrectas leges destruere rectas statuere Deo promisit He promised to God not to sell Churches any more nor to put them out to farme but by his kingly power to defend them and to take away all vniust laws and to establish such as were rightfull And heervpon presently to begin withall he nominated to the Archbishopricke of Canterbury a great and worthy learned man named Anselmus Abbot of the monastery of Becke in Normandy who was then present in England for that some moneth or two before he bad byn intreated by the Earle of Chester Syr Hugh Lupus to come into England to found and order his Abbey saith Stow of S. VVerberge at Chester of whom Malmesbury liuing presently after him saith Quo nemo vnquam iusti ten●cior c. then which Anselmne no man was euer more constant in righteousnes no man in this age more exactly learned no man so profoundly spirituall as this Archbishop that was the father of our countrey and mirrour of the world 3. But this vnfortunate King was no sooner recouered say the same Authours but he repented himself sorely that he had not solde the said Archbishopricke with other for more money and therevpon tooke an occasion to picke a quarrell against the said Anselmus and among other things to let him that he could not doe his
ipsum regem sententiam serret excommunicationis He would out of hand with all the Bishops there present pronounce the sentence of excommunication against the King himself Rex autem peris audicas humiliter respondit quod consilijs corum in omnibus obtemperaret c. And the pious King hearing this did answere humbly that he would in all things obay their counsailes And so he did and within few dayes after he sent away Peter Bishop of VVinchester from the Courte which was the cheife of the said strangers that most defended them and cast into prison another Peter surnamed De Rhicuallis that had byn Treasurer and diuers others So as heere also we see the spirituall authority of Clergie-men aboue the King not only in the Pope himself but also in the Bishops of England which otherwise were subiects to the said King in temporall affaires 38. Yea not only Bishops but other Prelates also of lesser degree haue exercised the same authority spirituall in England euen against the King when occasion was offered As for example when this K. Henry had vsed very familiarly intrinsecally one Raph Briton that had byn his Treasurer he after falling out with him banished him the Courte and soone after that againe the said Raph being a Clerke and liuing at his Chanonry of S. Pauls the Maior of London had commission to apprehend him and send him to the Tower as he did which Doctor Lusey Deane of Pauls vnderstāding called his Chanons togeather the Bishops of London being absent seeing the violence vsed to a Clergy-man did put the Church of S. Paul vnder Interdict pronoūced sentence of excommunication against the doers maintainers and fauourers of this vnlawfull act The King stood stiffe for a time saith our Author but at length Rex dictum Ranulphum licet inuitus solui in pace dimitti praecepit The King though against his will did commaund the said Raph to be remitted peaceably vnto the place whence he was taken 39. Now then these examples and many more which for breuityes sake I pretermit doe make another manner of proofe of Ecclesiastical soueraignty in Clergie-men then doth M. Attorneys poore inferēce about the sending for a certificate to the Bishops Court concerning matters to be tried therin as before you haue heard And by this also you may see and consider the difference of substance and substantiall dealing between vs. And so much to this first instance Now let vs examine the second The Attorney By the aūcient Canōs decrees of the Church of Rome the issue borne before solemnization of marriage is as lawfull inheritable marriage following as the issue borne after marriage But this was neuer allowed or appointed in England and therfore was neuer of any force heere And this appeareth by the Statute of Merton made in the 20. yeare of Henry the 3. where it is said to the Kings writ of bastardy Whether one being borne afore matrimony may inherit in like manner as he that is borne after matrimony All the Bishops answered that they would not nor could not answere to it because it was directly against the common order of the Church and all the Bishops instanted the Lords that they would consent that all such as were borne before matrimony should be legitimate as wel as they that be borne within matrimony to the succession of inheritance for so much as the Church accepteth such to be legitimate And all the Earles and Barons with one voice answered we will not change the lawes of England which hitherto haue byn vsed and approued The Catholike Deuine 40. This is the second instance of M. Attorney taken out of this raigne of K. Henry and we must imagine that proofes goe hard with him when to seeme to say somwhat he is driuen to bring forth such silly ware as this is For if all be graunted as it may be which heere is said what can he inferre therof but only that the Lords and Barons of the Parlament did not thinke good to alter or change the auncient laws or customes of the Realme about succession of their children by legitimation after matrimony contracted notwithstanding the Church of Rome in certaine cases did allow them for legitimate and lawfull in respect of taking holy orders enioying benefices and other like commodityes what I say doth this import M. Attorneys conclusion that K. Henry tooke vpon him supreme Ecclesiastical gouernmēt For that this was free for the Realme to admitt or not admit the said legitimation to the effect of lawfull succession and inheritance And so the Canons themselues doe expresly set downe 41. For better vnderstanding wherof wee must note that wheras by the auncient Ciuill-law great respect was had euer to children borne out of wedlocke if marriage afterward did ensue notwithstanding they held marriage but only for a Ciuill cōtract so afterward when Christian Emperours came to beare sway more indulgence and fauour was shewed therin as may appeer by the Constitutions both of Constantine the first Christian Emperour and Zeno that ensued him and more yet by Iustinian which do most fully in diuers places both of the Code and Nouell Constitutions explicate the same In conformity wherof the Canon-law also decreeth in this sorte Tanta est vis matrimonij vt qui anteà sunt geniti post contractum matrimonium legitimi habeantur So great is the force of matrimony held for a Sacrament among Christians as it maketh such to be legitimate after it is cōtracted who were illegitimate before But yet this is with some restrictions as for example that they must be borne ex soluto soluta that is to say both the father mother must be vnmarried at the time when the said children are begotten For if either of them were married at that time then this priuiledge holdeth not as appeareth in the same law 42. Secondly this legitimation by ensuing marriage is to bee vnderstood principallie as before hath said In spiritualibus To enable men to Ecclesiasticall promotions though in the Popes temporall dominions it may enable them also to temporall succession but not in the States and dominions of other Princes And this verie distinction or caution is set downe in like manner by the law it self and heervpon is resolued also in a case touching the King of England by Pope Alexander the 3. that albeit the Ecclesiasticall Iudge must determine of the lawfulnes of marriage it self yet the question of temporall succession or inheritance therevpon depending must bee decided by the Iudges of the temporall Courte Nos attendentes saith Pope Alexander to the Bishops of London and VVorcester quod ad Regem pertinet non ad Ecclesiam de talibus possessionibus iudicare Fraternitati vestrae mandamus quatenus Regi possessionis iudicium relinquentes de causa principali cognoscatis eamque terminetis Wee considering that it belongeth to the King of England and not to the Church to
imò à quo●i● alio de veritate contrarij si quis eam nouerit humiliter informati We being ready alwayes to be humbly informed of the truth of the contrary not only from your holy iudgement which gouerneth all but from any other that knoweth the same 9. So K. Edward to the Pope at that time concerning his great controuersie of France And albeit he was neuer wholy deuoid of the ielousies suspicions before mentioned that those French Popes did fauour more his enemies the Kings of France then himself and did assist them also oftentymes with graunts of great pecuniary succours vpon the Clergy as himself in some letters doth complaine yet did he neuer for this loose any inward respect reuerēce or obedience to the said Sea Apostolicke No nor did the said Sea cease for many years after to vse her auncient custome of prouiding Bishopricks and Prelacies in England though commonly they were English-men only As for example the very next yeare after to wit 1344. and 18. of King Edwards raigne the said Pope Clement made Bishop of Norwich one VVilliam Bate-man that had byn Auditour of his Pallace and Courte in Auinion And in the yeare 1362. Pope Vrbanus the fifth made Bishop of Lincolne by his prouision one Iohn Buckingham and of Chichester one VVilliam Lynne and King Edward admitted the same without resistance And foure years after that againe the same Pope vpon the death of Simon Islep Archbishop of Canterbury gaue that Bishopricke by his prouision to Simon Langtham that was Bishop of Ely and translated Iohn Barnet Bishop of Bath from that Sea to Ely and one M. Iohn Harwell being commended greatly by Prince Edward of VVales to the said Pope was admitted by him to the said Bishoprick of Bath as also VVilliam VVickham bearer of the Kings priuy signet was preferred by the said Pope vnto the Bishopricke of VVinchester Domino Rege procurante saith Walsingham that is King Edward procuring and labouring for the same 10. And two yeares after this againe in the yeare 1368. we read that the foresaid Simon Langtham being made Cardinall by Pope Vrbanus and therevpon resigning his Archbishopricke of Canterbury the Pope by his prouision gaue the same to VVilliam VVriothesley Bishop of VVorcester and the foresaid Lynne Bishop of Chichester he translated vnto the Bishopricke of VVorcester and vnto the Church of Chichester he promoted one VVilliam Roade In all which wee read not that K. Edward made any difficulty And the very next yeare after this againe wee find registred that the same Pope prouided the Churches of Norwich Hereford and Exce●●● of Bishops by his owne prouision only it is said of the later of the three quod Thomas Brangthingham fauore literarum Domini Regis Edwardi ad Exoniensem Ecclesiam promotus est Thomas Brangthingham was promoted by the Pope to the Church of Excester through fauour of the letters of K. Edward 11. And finally this matter went on in this manner vntill towards the later end of K. Edwards raigne when he growing old and feeble as well in iudgement as in body and matters depending most vpon his sonne Iohn of Gaunt who was a disorderly man in those dayes and much cried out vpon by all the Common-wealth as may appeare by that he was afterward deposed by Parlament from al gouernment though it lasted not long shewed himself enemy to the State of the Clergy as soone after he well declared by the imprisoning of VVilliam VVickham Bishop of VVinchester assayling Courtney Bishop of London fauoring the famous hereticke Iohn VVickcliffe at his beginning publickly and other such signes and demonstrations at this time I say being the 47. of the raigne of K. Edward according to VValsingham or 49. according to Polidor though the booke of Statutes doth appoint in the 25. and 27. years of the said Kings raigne were the Statutes made or perhaps begun to be put in execution against recourse to Rome except in causes of appellation and against prouisions of benefices to be gotten or procured from thence not at home by the patrons thereof Rex Edwardus saith Polidor primus omnium de Consilij sententia indixit immanem illis paenam qui in posterum impetrarent vbiuis gentium Anglicana sacerdotia à Romano Pontifice aut causas nisi per appellat tonem ad eundem deferrent c. Lex prouisionis siue de Praemoneri vocitatur King Edward first of all other Kings by the sentence of his Counsell did decree most horrible punishment vnto those that for the time to come should in any parte of the world obtaine English benefices from the Pope of Rome or should carry any causes vnto him but only by appellation The law is called the law of Prouision or Praemunire 12. And the same Author addeth further that Pope Gregory the 11. hearing of this law tooke the matter greiuously and wrote to King Edward for the reuocation therof but there ensuing presently a great schisme in the Church of Rome which endured allmost 50. years vntill the tyme of Martin the 5. King Edward also not liuing many years after and the disordinate gouernment of his Nephew K. Richard the 2. with the tumultuation of the VVickcliffians succeeding nothing was done therin And yet doth it appeare by VValsingham that vpō that very same yeare of 1374. which was the 48. of K. Edwards raigne there was a treaty begun in the moneth of August at Bruges in Flaunders between Embassadors sent both from the sorsaid Pope Gregory and King Edward to treat of these points and that the said treaty endured almost two yeares Et tandem saith he concordatum est inter eos quod Papa de catero reseruationibus beneficiorum minimè vteretur quod Rex beneficia per literas Quare impedit vlterius non conferret At length it was agreed between them that the Pope for the time to come should not vse reseruations of benefices to himself and that the King should no more bestow benefices by his writ of Quare impedit 13. Thus much writeth VValsingham and toucheth no other points which yet probably may be presumed to haue byn treated at that time namely that the Kings for the time to come should haue the nominations of Bishops and the Pope only the confirmation and inuestiture except in certaine cases as afterward we haue seen practised not only in England but in most Catholicke Kingdomes round about but this by concession and agreement of the Sea Apostolicke it self without any least intention in the said Princes to deny the supreme spirituall power authority of the said Sea much lesse to take it vpon themselues as M. Attorney would inferre that they did out of these peeces of Statutes which he alleadgeth for that purpose Whervnto now we shall answere breifly as they ly in this booke M. Attorneys obiections out of the Raigne of King Edvvard the third §. I. 14. For that these obiections are many
should bee able to get authoritie ouer so manie other Bishops his equals throughout so manie and different nations so far off from him and so little fearing his temporall power or that so manie People Citties Kingdomes Common-wealths Prouinces and Nations would bee so prodigall of their owne libertie as to subiect themselues to a forraine Priest as now so manie ages they haue done or to giue him such authoritie ouer thēselues if he had no right therevnto at all 7. But what shall I stand to dispute with Luther in this matter Or what importeth it what he saieth or beleeueth therin for so much as through anger and enuie he knoweth not himself what he thinketh or saith but declareth well the saying of the Apostle to be true in himself Cor ipsius insipiens obscuratum itaditumque in reprobum sensum That his foolish heart is darkned and deliuered ouer vnto a reprobate sense So King Henry pronouncing as you see a heauy iudgment against Luther now and himself afterwarde when he fell into the same darknes and not only obscuritie of vnderstanding but inconstancie also of proceeding which heer so eagerly hee obiecteth to Luther for this he writeth of him Quis non eius miretur inconstantiam c. who will not wonder at Luthers inconstancie for a little before he wrote in his bookes that the Papaltie though it were not by diuine right yet was it by humane to witt by humane consent for the publik good of the Church and therevpon condemned and detested the sect of the Hussites in Bohemia for that they had cut themselues off from the obedience of the Roman Sea affirming that they sinned damnably whosoeuer obaied not the Pope This he wrote verie lately since his fall from Catholicke religion but now he is run into that which then he so much detested And like inconstancy he hath shewed in another point also which is that hauing preached of late in a certaine Sermon to the people that the Popes excommunication was to bee obaied and patiently be borne as a medecine in a disease Whē himself afterwards was most worthily excommunicated he tooke that sentence of the Pope so impotently as seeming to be mad or fallen into rage he brake forth into such contumelious speaches and blasphemies as no Christian eares can abide to heare the same so as by his furie he hath made it euident Eos qui pelluntur gremio matris Ecclesia statim furijs corripi atque agitari daemonibus That those which are cast out from the lap of their mother the Church are taken presently with suries and vexed with diuells Thus far K. Henry and much more to this effect which for breuityes sake I pretermit 8. And now let vs with greife of mind some terror of conscience looke ouer and reflect vpon that which happened afterward vnto this King himself and into what extremes of passion and choller he fell in his writings and Statutes against this very Supremacy of the Pope when he was excommunicated by him which heere he defendeth against Luther though in other points of doctrine he remained still opposite to Luther euen vnto his dying day 9. It is worthy the noting also what mutability and inconstancy he vsed not only in the whole thing to wit in d●●●ing the Popes Supremacy but in the very manner also of falling into that extremity For first for many yeares after the writing of this his booke which was in the yeare of Christ 1521. he continued so deuout and obedient to the said Sea of Rome as no King in Christendome more as may appeare by the mutuall good offices of loue friendship that passed between them And when six yeares after this againe Rome was spoiled by the army of the Duke of Burbon Pope Clement the seauenth held as besieged in the Castle of S. Angelo no King or Prince of Christendome was more forward in the ayd of the said Pope then K. Henry of England as may appeare by his great and famous Embassadge sent that very yeare into France by Cardinall VVolsey about that matter in the yeare 1527. to draw the King of France into the association of that aid and help 10. And when againe the next yeare after King Henry began to moue his doubt or question about the lawfullnes of his marriage with Queene Catherine he referred the whole matter to Rome and procured Iudges to be sent from thence as namely Cardinall Campegius that was directed from Rome the selfsame yeare into England for Legat with like commission for Cardinall VVolsey to be ioyned with him as deputyes from Pope Clement to heare and iudge the matter before whome sitting in iudgment both K. Henry and Queen Catherine being cited personally to appeare they made their appearance in the Church of the Black-Friars in London in the moneth of Aprill anno Domini 1529. which was the one and twentith of King Henryes raigne And albeit King Henry being offended that by this means of these two Legats the Pope accepting of the Appeal of Queen Catherine recalling the matter to himself he could not haue his wil did put from his fauour soone after Cardinall VVolsey when the other was departed and brought him to the miserable end which is well knowne yea condemned for his sake the whole Clergy of England in a Premunire that is to say the losse of all their goods which afterward they redeemed with a submission and payment of a hundred thousand pounds for that they had acknowledged the said Cardinals Legantine authority which himself had procured from Rome yet did not he for this surcease to send other Embassadours to continue the solicitation of the same suite of diuorce in the said Court of Rome and namely among others Doctor Stephen Gard●●● the Kings chiefe Secretary soone after made Bishop of VVinchester who was sent thither as Stow and others doe testifie presently after the departure of Cardinall Campegius in the same yeare 1529. Neither did King Henry leaue of to hold his Embassadours Lawyers and Procurators there about this matter for two or three yeares after this againe vntill he saw there was no hope to get his diuorce by that means and on the otherside was resolued to marry the Lady Anne Bullen whatsoeuer came of it and so did in the yeare 1533. and 24. of his raigne 11. Thus then you see the beginning and progresse of the cause of King Henryes breach with the Sea Apostolicke which probably would neuer haue byn if he could haue obtained his will that way but falling into despaire therof tooke resolution to cut the knot which otherwise he could not vndoe But the manner of his proceeding may be best seen by two Acts of Parlament set downe heer by M. Attorney the one of the 24. the other of the 25. yeare of King Henryes raigne for that in the former which was in the yeare of his marriage with Lady Anne Bullen as hath byn said he prohibited
the name and dreadfull voice of heresie sect or schisme so common now in these our daies so ordinarie in everie mans mouth as ech one of different opiniōs esteemeth the other for Hereticke Sectarie or Schismatike which notwithstanding if wee consider the course and sacred sense of holie scripture especiallie for the new testament as also the iudgment feeling and meaning of all auncient Fathers and of the whole primitiue Christian Church in their daies wee shall find to bee the most greiuous accusation most odious daungerous and damnable imputation to be accoumpted an hereticke or sectary that can possibly be imagined or laid vpon any Christian in this life yea that all other crimes laid togeather which by mans malice or diabolicall induction can bee committed are not equall to this onlie crime of heresie for so doe all learned Catholicke Deuines hold and determine in their generall positions of this matter as may bee seen in one for all in the Summe of S. Thomas where setting downe first that infidelitie against God which is the highest crime of all other hath three kinds or members vnder it Paganisme Iudaisme and Heresie the said Doctor making the question which of these three is the greatest synne determineth vpon verie substantiall grounds and reasons that albeit in some respects to wit in regard of the greater multitude of Christian articles which Pagans and Iewes doe denie more them hereticks doe yet in malice which maketh the principall point of sinne and draweth on more grieuous damnation heresie is a greater infidelitie then is either Paganisme or Iudaisme and consequenly more damnable which I leaue heere to proue and confirme out of the conformitie of holie scriptures as that of S. Paul to Titus that an hereticall man is subuerted damned by his owne iudgment and other such places It is sufficient for setling our dread and feare in this behalfe that the whole consent of Schoole-Doctors vpon this alleadged article of S. Thomas doe agree that it is more daungerous and damnable to fall into heresie then to bee a Iew or Pagan 27. With which seueritie of Censure doe concurre also fullie the auncient Fathers of the Primitiue Christian Church whose sentences were o●erlonge to cite in this place but you may see a shorte view thereof gathered togeather vpon another occasion in a certaine booke lately set forth where the consenting woords of the most principall said auncient Doctors are laid togeather affirming that who soeuer by schisme or heresie is cut of frō the faith cōmmuniō of the generall knowne Catholicke Church is most certainly to bee damned and cannot bee saued though hee should otherwise liue neuer so well praie neuer so much giue neuer so great almes haue neuer so god intētiō other wise yea though hee should offer his life shed his bloud suffer neuer so manie torments for Christ his name loue and religion 28. This then being so and adioyning yet further to this consideration another generall position of our said learned Deuines which is as the foresaid renowned Doctor S. Thomas setteth it downe that whosoeuer in anie one least article of Catholicke religiō doth run into heresie or beleiueth not the said article as hee should doe but obstinately rather impugneth the same he leeseth his whole faith not onlie in that point which hee discrediteth but in all other points also which hee beleiued before and persuadeth himself to beleiue still this I saie being so which the said learned Schole-Doctor proueth by euident arguments demonstratiue groundes to bee true M. Attorney may imagine what stay and repugnance wee may haue out of the feare of our consciences in this behalfe easilie to make new choice or changes of religion in these daies For as if a learned experiēced Phisition should come shew out of aunciēt reading that there were a Kind of most deadly dreadfull sorte of plague or Epidemia to bee feared and fled aboue all the rest when it cometh for that no hope of life or escape can be giuen from it that withall hee should affirme that now the said plague begā to be cōmon in such and such places yea so cōmon as many men did contemne it and make it but a iest though all perished with it that fel into it as in this case I saie wise-mē would looke about them hearing that so pestilent perilous infectiō were on foote in their daies so much more in this other infection of the soule leading most certainly to euerlasting death dānation as al the most learned spirituall Phisitions of Christs holy Church haue euer taught vs haue we reason to bee carefull timerous vigilant what we doe what change we make whither we goe frō whence we departe the saying of S Athanasius being so dreadfull in his Creed that whosoeuer doth not beleiue and hold the Catholicke faith wholie and entirely absque dubio in aeternum peribit shal without all doubt perish euerlastinglie 29. And S. Augustine after him hauing set downe vnto his freind Quod-vult-Deus a catalogue of the most cheife and knowne heresies and erroneous opinions noted against hereticks from the Apostles time to his daies wherof diuers are expressly raised againe by new gospellers in these our times as there you may see in that hee writeth of Aerius Aetius Iouinian Vigilantius and others hee commeth lastly to affirme and conclude in the end of that booke that as it is damnable to hold anie one of those heresies there by him set downe so was it not sufficient to saluation to bee free only from those for that there might bee other opinions discrepant also from the Catholicke beleife lurking in corners which hee had not heard of and moreouer there might other new spring vp from time to time Q●●rum aliquā saith hee quisquis tenuerit Christianus Catholicus esse non potest Of which whosoeuer shall hold any one and let vs marke anie one he cannot be a Christian Catholicke and consequentlie cannot be saued in S. Augustines iudgment 30. And for so much as now in all this controuersie between M. Attorney and vs wee haue shewed his opinions and assertions to bee so different from those of all our English Christian Commonwealth from the beginning vnto our times which wee on the other side haue shewed to be trulie Catholicke and common to the whole Christian world besides all men of indifferencie wil cōsider what reasō we haue in making such stay as we doe from passing lightlie to his Current how little reason he hath or had to charge vs so deeplie and iniuriouslie that our stay was vpon so euill and odious causes as before he charged vs. And thus much of this second expostulation THE THIRD EXPOSTVLATION In the name of all moderate and peace-louing subiects whatsoeuer §. III. 31. My third complaint or expostulation with M. Attorney is yet more generall as concerning not onlie all sortes of Catholickes whatsoeuer but other
Power and the author therof c. 2. n. 2. Power spirituall and temporall and the different endes therof cap 2. n. 3. 4. deinceps per totum caput Power spirituall of the Church and pastors therof cap. 3. n. 10. Power spirituall more eminent than temporall cap. 2. n. 19. Premunire and the first beginning of that law cap. 12. n. 11. Priuiledges and franquises of Churches and monasteryes procured from the Pope cap. 6. n. 37.38 deinceps Priuiledges of the Abbey of Euesham cap. 6. n. 42. Of the Abbey of S. Albans ibid. n. 43. Priuiledges of Glastenbury-Abbey from Rome cap 6. num 45. Priuiledges of VVestminster procured by K. Edward the Confessor cap. 6. num 47. Priuiledges of Ecclesiasticall men in temporall courtes cap. 7. n. 18. alibi saepissimè Promotion of strangers to Ecclesiasticall dignityes in England cap. 10. num 21. 22. cap. 11. num 36. The inconueniences therof to Englishmen ibidem Protestants doctrine condemned by K. Henry the 8. cap. 15. num 15. Prouisions against bribing at Rome cap. 13. n. 21. Prouisions of Ecclesiasticall liuinges in England made by the Pope c. 12. n. 5. The Cōplaintes therof by Englishmen ibidem The continuance of the same in England cap. ibid. n. 9. Agreemēt therabout made betweene the Pope and the Kinge cap. ibid. n. 21. Q. Queene Eleanour Mother to K. Richard the first her iorney to Sicily cap. 9. num 29. Her returne by Rome and busines there with the Pope ibid. num ● Her complaintes and petition to Pope Celestinus ibid. num 39.40 41. Queene Elizabeths spirituall authority giuen her by Parlament cap. 3. num 3. 4. The inconueniences and absurdityes that follow therof ibid. n. 4. 5. 6. cap. 4. num 27. Her singularity in that point ibidem num 28. Her supremacy mistiked by Protestants Puritans cap. 4. num 41. 42. 43 44. 45. 46. 47. 48. Causes that moued her first to accept of the Supremacy cap. 15. num 35. 36. Her conferen●e vvith Syr Fran. Inglefield ibid. num 37. Item with the Count of Feria the Spanish Embassadour ibid. num ●● Her protestation about the Real-presence in the Sacrament ibidem n 39. Her Conferēce with Mounsieur Lansacke the French Embassadour ibidem num 41. Her owne inclination towards Catholicke Religion ibid num 42. How she vvas drawne to great extremes and cruelty against Catholicks cap. 15. num 43. Queene Mary her raigne cap. 15. n. 3● Her restoring of Catholicke Religion in England cap. 15. num 31. 32. R. Reasons that shew william the Conrour to haue alwayes acknowledged the Sea of Rome cap. 7. num 8.9.10 deinceps Recourse to Rome presently after Englands Conuersion about Ecclesiasticall affaires cap. 6. num 10,11 12. Recourse to Rome by the Kinges of England and Scotland in their greatest Controuersyes cap. 11. num 44. Recusancy of Puritans and the first cause therof cap. 16. num 5. Recusancy of Catholickes from the beginning of Q. Elizabeth raigne cap. 16. num 7. Reformation of the English Clergy by King Henry the 7. cap. 14. num 15. Reliques sent to King Osway of Northumberlād by Pope Vitalianus c. 6. n. 24. Resignatiō of inuestitures by K. Henry the first cap. 8. num 14. Restraintes of exercising the Popes Authority in England and how the same vvere first made cap. 2. num 41. cap. 10. num 25. cap. 12. num 35. King Richard the first his raigne c. 9. num 22. 23. deinceps His misfortunes ibid. num 23. His behauiour and oath at his Coronation ibid. num 25. His voiage to Ierusalem ibid. num 26. 27. His kingdome commended to the Popes protection ibid num 27. His mother sent from Rome to Sicily ibid. num 30. His letter to Pope Clement the 3. ibid num 31. His captiuity in Austria ibid. num 38. K. Richard the second his disorders cause therof cap. 21. num 42. His confirmation of Church-libertyes ibid. num 43. His obedience to the Church-Censures ibid num 47. S. Sanctuary graunted by the Pope to S. Iohns Church in London cap. 14. num 9. Denyed by the temporall iudges ibid. num 10. Scruple of Conscience vrged vpon M. Attorney cap. 16. num 14. Sectaryes not any vvay compared to Catholickes vvhy c. 1. n. 13.14 15. Sectaryes their vayne comendation of Truth cap. 1. num 16. Singularity of knovvledge in heretickes cap. 1. num 5. 6. 7 Statute in Parlament for giuing spirituall authority to Q. Elizabeth cap. 3. num ● ●● ● 19. The absurdityes that therof ensue ibid. num 5. 6. 7. num 19.20 21. 23. 24. Statutes of K. Henry the 3. in fauour of the Church cap. ●0 num 27. Statute of Merton made by K. Henry the 3. cap. 10. num 39. Statute of Bigamy anno 4. Edouardi 1. cap. 11. num 30. Statute of Carliele made in the raigne of King Edward the first c. 11. n. ●9 Statute against Lollards cap. 13 n. 22. 23. Statute for reformation of the Clergy cap. 14. num 15. K. Stephen his raigne ouer England cap. 8. num 25. His oath for the libertyes of the Church ibid. num 27. His inconstancy by euill counsaile ibid. num 28. His violence vsed against Clergy-men ibid. His citation and appearance before the Bishops ibid num 31. Stigand Archbishop of Canterbury deposed cap. 7. num 9. Strangers their promotions to Ecclesiasticall dignityes in England and inconueniences therof cap. 10. num 21. 22. 23. cap. 11. num 36. Remedyes sought therof from the Popes of those tymes ibid. num 38. Supremacy Ecclesiasticall not possibly in a woman cap. 4. num 26. 27. Supremacy assumed first by K. Henry the 8. cap. 15. num 13.14 15. Also by K. Edward the 6 ibid num 26. Item by Q. Elizabeth ibid. num 34.35 36. 37. Suppression of the kinghtes of the temple cap. 11. num 43. Synne of heresy how great and greiuous cap. 16. num 26 27. T Tenantes of the Church priuiledged   A strāge attempt to impugne Catholicke religion by Catholicke Princes lawes in Englād The importance of M. Attorneys Plea The singularity of M. Attorneyes paradox Ci● Tuscul q. 3. M. Attorney chalenged of his promise The Author promiseth all modesty in this answere M. Attorney bound in conscience and honour to enforme a nevv his Maiesty * M. Garnet M. Attorneyes ouerlashing in speech Math. 5. Math. 12 The Diuel●s sinnes in ●●pting Adam M. Garnetts case Hovv things heard in confessiō may not be vttered by Catholick doctrine A partition not afterward performed M. Garnet an honest man by M. Attorneyes warrant M. Attorneyes wit in making a bloudy law to be a sweet lavv About Equiuocation About the antiquity vniuersality of the Protestant Church A strāge discourse of M Attorney about his Church * Many all 's A theologicall argumet for the Roman Church Mar. vltimo I●an 14. 10. Mat. 10. 1 Timo. 3.