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A81501	The Discipline and order of particular churches, no novelty. Proved from Scripture, reason, autiquity, and the most eminent modern divines. Or, A discourse of the church, in a scripture notion, with her extent, power and practice, tending to moderate the minds of men, toward dissenters in matters ecclesiastical, and to acquit such from the charge of innovation, faction, separation, schism, and breach of union and peace in the church, who cannot conform in many things to the rules, canons, and practices of others. / By a Lover of truth, peace, unity, and order.	Lover of truth, peace, unity, and order.	1675 (1675)	Wing D1558A; ESTC R174652	61,995	98

was nothing else but their Election c. And that all the Rites and Ceremonies now used are but Novelties And Martin Bucer for these conclusions in his afore-said Book and in his Scripta Anglicana of the Office of Pastor p. 154. 159. 191. and on Mat. 16. That imposition of hands on those chosen Ministers belong to the Presbiters but that this they have not Originally but only Instrumentally as Servants to the whole Congregation And that this ought to be done publickly in the Church where they are Elected before all the Congregation and that the imposition of hands is no essential part of Ordination Luther held this Concil Trident l. 7. p. 590. but that it may be omitted And that those who are Elected and Lawfully called to the Ministry by the Suffrage of the whole Church and People are Ministers Lawfully called and Ordained without this Ceremony And Mr. Prin there further proves this by David Blond Apol. Sect. 3. de Ordinatione plebis in Electionibus jure from p. 309. to 448. He also affirms p. 81. That Morney Amesius Morney Lord of Plessis in his Book de Eccesia cap. 11. and sundry others there quoted say That the People alone in case of Necessity where are no Bishops or Ministers or where Bishops refuse to ordain as they ought may Elect and Ordain Ministers The right of Ordination and Election being Originally in the whole Church and people c. and that imposition of hands is no Essential but Ceremonial part of Ordination as Angelus de Clavaso Peter Martyr Mr. Baxters body of Divinity of Ordination p. 79. and others both Papists and Protestants affirm Mr. Stillingfleet in his Irenicum p. 392. where he transcribes Bishop Cranmers answer to the Questions before mentioned hath set down these words amongst others as the Bishops own words The Bishop having affirmed that the people before Christian Princes did commonly Elect their Bishops and Priests saith further That in the New-Testament he that is appointed to be Priest or Bishop needed no Consecration for Election or appointment thereto saith he is sufficient Now having so great a cloud of witnesses beyond all exception and a concurrent sentence in this matter by Persons at so great a distance each from other in their Judgment in other things and living in several ages of the World It seemeth strange that there should be such wrestling against the common right of the Church of God and such a stir to make that Scripture Acts 14.23 to speak something else than that which so many Learned eminent Godly Men agree it doth and the practice of the Church so long and universally and fully affirm it to do Much more strange it is that men should be blamed for being of this Judgment and practising accordingly having so much ground to believe it to be the truth If any should pretend that there are other Officers in the Church of God besides Ordinary Bishops and Deacons Ho●ker in his Eccles Polity 4th Book p. 417 418 c. allows Presbyter and Deacons to be the Clergy and that no where in the New Test are they called Priests nor will he contend for that Name See more p. 123 of the same Book by Divine Right to continue Let such prove it if they can But it seems clear that after Prophets Apostles and Evangelists these extraordinary Officers of Christ were deceased who while they continued had extraordinary Furniture given them from Christ for their work These of Bishops or Elders and Deacons in the particular Churches were all one no superior and General Officers over many as Mr. Stillingfleet in his afore-said Irenicum p. 416. saith that the Episcopal Men will hardly find any evidence in Scripture or the Apostles practice for Churches consisting of many fixed Congregations for the Worship of God under the charge of one person First it is manifest that Bishops and Elders in those days were the same Officers and not one above the other Acts 20. where the Apostles ●nt for the Elders of the Church of Ephesus and ●●ving Discoursed with them he gave them ●harge that they the same Persons should take ●ed to the Flock over which the Holy Ghost had ●ade them Bishops or Overseers as our Tran●tion hath it So when Peter writes 1 Epist 5 ● 2 c. He there calls the Ruling Officers in ●eneral Elders whether Ruling only or Ruling ●●d Teaching Elders See 1 Tim. 5.17 Bishop Cranmer in the place before quoted by ●r Stillingfleet in his Irenicum p. 392. saith ●hat the Bishop and Priest were at one time and ●ot two things but both one Office in the begin●ng of Christs Religion Dr. Fulk against the Rhem. upon Titus 1.5 ●nd Jerome in his Comment upon Titus affirms ●is And the Magdeburg Divines quote Jerome Am●rose and Chrysostome for the proof of this and ●lso for shewing how in after Ages one Elder was ●xalted above the rest Doctor Whittaker in his Answer to Campian in his ten Reasons 10. Vol. and then called the Bishop ●y way of Eminence and that this was by Humane ●uthority Cent. 2. Cap. 7. col 126. Cent. 4. ●ap 6. col 491. Cent. 5. cap. 7. col 737. Nay ●regory Nazianzen wisheth this Episcopal decree ●bolished and saith it is Tyrannical Orat. 28. So ●ad it proved in his days as it seems Bishop Jewel in his Reply to Mr. Harding p. ●22 229. 250 251 252. alledgeth this out of Je●ome Cyprian c. That Bishops are greater than ●riests more of Custom than of Gods Ordinance That the Power of all Priests by the Authority of Gods Word is one and equal and that it was ●nly Policy that set one over many And in p. 257. ●oncludes against Papists in these words If Christ saith the Bishop appointed not one Priest ov● another how then is it likely he should appoint o● over all And so Mr. Stillingfleet in his afo●said Book See Smect p. 24. 26. Raynolds conference with Hart cap. 8. p. 461 462. affirms this Policy to be the ground of raising one E●de● ab●ve others and so step by step to the Pope See also p 540 541 p. 276 277. 310 311. proves this 〈◊〉 large That Bishops and Presbiters were the sa●● in Primitive times and that Arius was not c●demned for that Opinion but for his separat●● from such who set up Bishops above other Pries● and he quotes Aug. Epist 29. for this That 〈◊〉 difference between Episcopacy and Presbitery t● the one is greater than the other arise only by 〈◊〉 Custom of the Church attributing a Name of gre●er Honour to them Secondly That Bishops Elders and Deac● were all the Officers Christ intended to have c●tinued in the Church after the Apostles days see● clear in this That when the Apostle wrote to 〈◊〉 Church of the Philippians he mentioned these ●ly To the Bishops and Deacons Phil. 1.1 A●● when the Holy Ghost mentions the Qualificati● of Church-Officers he names none but these N● doth he

seem to intend any other nor any other ●corded in the Scripture of the New Tes●ment which doubtless would have been if Ch● had intended any other to have been continued 〈◊〉 the Church for it would have been necessary 〈◊〉 have known how such should have been Qualifi● as well as these But of these two see at large 1 Ti● 3. Titus c. 3. And that these were all in the Primiti● Churches the Century Writers affirm Magd● Cent. 1. Lib. 2. cap. 7. col 508 509. Cent. ● cap. 7. col 125. This also may we note T● after the Church had departed from the Apostoli● Order and by humane prudence appointed o● Elder or Bishop in every Congregation or Socit● 〈◊〉 the first step and after in a larger Circuit ●ve the rest Yet even these Bishops were then ●ke manner chosen by the Body of those Church● where in he was to be Bishop as the Authori● herein before alledged fully prove But now if it shall be Objected as some have ●med to do That this power of Election in the ●urch was not a Priviledge belonging to them of ●t but of conveniency Ere we give answer 〈◊〉 shall go over some such pretences as these ●irst the Papists Concil Trident. lib. 7. p. 590. They at the Council of Trent ●●itted this use to have been in the Primitive times the Churches But as to the Right they say ●re That though the people did choose yet it 〈◊〉 by the tacit or explicit consent of the Pope This conceit will easily fall for in those days ●re was no such thing in Nature as a Pope if ●y mean by a Pope such a one as is now at ●me with such Authority as he challengeth there● he could not by his consent bring it in or had ●een so the Pope had erred to have given con●● to the Church that she should have called her ●isters in another way than Christ had appointed Christ did not appoint this way If Christ did ●oint this way then his consent was insignificant-mentioned in this case unless they will say Christ ●n appointed no way but that he left all to the ●retion of the Pope in this matter which we ●k they will not affirm Again Secondly Bishop Nicholson of Glou●er in his Book before cited p. 27. admits the ●ter of Fact that the people did choose but ●o the Right he saith first That it was after 〈◊〉 Apostles days Although we see Arch-Bishop Cranmer Polanus the Magdeburg Divines and many others of express contrary Judgment in the places befo●● quoted and agree that this was in the Apost●● days and their own way in which they Ordain Elders in the Churches Secondly he saith That this was not a Pri●●ledge belonging to them of Right but of Conve●ency for which we have the Bishops own word ●ly not the least proof offered against which 〈◊〉 stream of other Learned and good mens judgme●● before cited generally run And this also the ●shop himself in the same place in the very n● words ingeniously adds and affirms That 〈◊〉 choyce of the People was derived from the Rule● Christian Equity and Society and he there furt●●● sub joyns this excellent effect it had That he● it came to pass that the People did quietly rece● willingly maintain diligently hear and hear● love their Pastors From whence we may conclude That su● such whom the Bishop there saith took away 〈◊〉 Power from the Churches were to be blamed 〈◊〉 rashness at least And that there is a loud call for 〈◊〉 restoring of this Conveniency if it be no mo●● to the Churches since it was derived from such ●cellent Rules and hath such desirable effects N● such to be found following any other way brou●● in in the room thereof And that it may of ●●vine Right rather than of Conveniency brou●● in by mans Wisdom for it is rare to find a C●●stitution of mans derived from such Principles 〈◊〉 to have such Fruits which do exceed for good● the Constitutions of Christ himself Again Thirdly One more such pretence we 〈◊〉 in Mr. Stillingfleet in his afore-said Book p. 2● Who though he had before in the place herein ●oted allowed that the People did choose yet ●e he saith It seems strangely improbable that the ●ostles should put the choice at that time into the ●ads of the People and he makes this the only ●und of his conjecture That there were none ●n that were fitted for the work but whom the ●●ostles did lay their hands upon by which saith 〈◊〉 the Holy Ghost fell upon them whereby they ●●re fitted and qualified for the work the people ●n saith he could no ways choose men for their ●ilities when their abilities were consequent to ●●eir Ordination These are his own words as to ●●s matter But his ground seems very feeble for ●e concluding of such an improbability for we ●ust either take it for granted or he must prove ●rst that the Holy Ghost fell on none but such on ●nom the Apostles laid hands Secondly That the ●oly Ghost fell on no men till the Apostles had ●d hands upon them for the Ministry Thirdly ●hat when ever the Apostles laid hands on any they ●ere by that imposition of Hands Ordained Mini●●ers If this be not granted or proved then there ●●ght be many in every Church qualified with gifts 〈◊〉 the Holy Ghost and fitted for the work some ●●thout laying on of hands some by laying on of ●ands of the Apostles and yet not Ministers there●● Then these were fitted for the work and these ●ight be chosen by the Church before Ordination ●ut so it was it 's evident that the Holy Ghost fell ●pon many without imposition of hands that he ●ll upon some by imposition of hands before they ●ere made Ministers That all were not made Mi●●sters on whom the Apostles laid hands and who ●●ceived the Spirit So that Multitudes were fitted and qualified for the people to choose in every pla●● almost See Acts 10. There were many heari● Peter Preach and while he was yet speaking 〈◊〉 Holy Ghost fell on them all and they spake w● Tongues here is no imposition of hands nor s●ting apart for the Ministry for they were not ba●tized ver 47. yet were these Persons qualifi●● for the People to have chosen any man among them Again Acts 8.14 15 16 17. The were many Men and Women at Samaria that belie●ed and the Apostles at Jerusalem hearing of 〈◊〉 sent unto them Peter and John who prayed and la● their hands on them and the received the H● Ghost Yet sure Mr. Stillingfleet will not sa● these were made Ministers by this however the were qualified thereby to have been chosen by t● People Again Acts 19. Paul found certain Disciples 〈◊〉 Ephesus twelve in Number of Men he la● on them and they received they Holy Ghost a● Prophecyed And there is no colour to say that the● were Ordained Ministers thereby So that the● were more Persons qualified for the work to be ch●sen by the people

Word sometimes the People did choose such as they thought meet thereunto and when any were sent by the Apostles or other the People of their own voluntary will with thanks did accept of them not for the Supremacy Imperial Dominion that the Apostles had over them to command as their Princes or Masters but as good People ready to Obey the good Councellors and to accept any thing necessary for their Edification and Benefit And again that the People before Christian Princes were commonly did Elect their Bishops and Priests thus far of Bishop Cranmer which words of his as Mr. Stillingfleet there affirms he put his own Hand to and gave it in in answer to certain Questions put to him in King Edward the Sixths Time and now remain upon Record Bishop Nicholson of Gloucester in his Vindication of the Church of England p. 27. grants the Truth of this That the People did choose their Pastors in the Primitive Ages of the Church in express terms and saith it was taken away from the People by Christian Princes when the Fathers disliked the use So far of him in this place Polanus in his Sintagma Lib. 7. Cap. 15. fully proves and affirms this Right to be Lodged in these Churches Under this Head De Electionibus seu vocationibu● Ecclesiasticis First he saith That the Liberty or Power of Election calling or sending of Ecclesiastical Persons is a Right which the whole Church hath in choosing and calling to themselves approved and fit Ministers and in placing them into Sacred Order p. 542. After in his next p. 543. under this Question a quibus Electio seu vocatio Ministrorum Ecclesiae fieri debeat By whom the Election or calling of Ministers of the Church ought to be made He saith That unto the Legitimate or Lawful Election of the Ministers of the Church especially of the Pastors is requisite a free and ingenious consent and Suffrage of the whole Church whose business it is that is of the Elders and Flock The which consent must not be had by intreaty or sold for a price much less forced and extorted so that it is the part of the whole Church to choose Ministers for themselves And there he gives these following arguments to evince it First because even in the time of the Apostles the whole Church whose business it was did choose Ministers for themselves or to it self Neither did the Apostles themselves saith he Ordain any one for Ecclesiastical charges only by their own Authority but always by the Church consenting and approving Acts 6.2 c. and 14.23 Secondly because by this means the Churches own Liberty which Christ hath given to it is kept For a Pastor or Minister of the Word of God is not to be obtruded upon the Church of God against his will Can. Null invit distinc 61. Thirdly because it serves to this That even the Ministers may with a good Conscience Rule the Lords Flock by whom he is Elected and the Flock of the Lord may in like manner yield themselves the more easie to him to be Instructed and fed than to him who beside or against their will is thrust upon them and again he is not to be acknowledged for a Lawful Pastor of the Church who hath been intruded on the Church by the Authority and Command of the Prince Quod testatur Concil Parisiense primum Can. Octavo Tomo Secundo Concil And after he saith in the same p. That fit Persons are to be nominated and presented to the People before the Election and should be openly proposed in the Assemblies And again in p. 544. Under this Question Qualiter seu quomodo Ministri Ecclesiae Eligi vocari debeant How the Ministers of the Church ought to be chosen and called Acts 14.23 Those Persons are to be Nominated of whom the Election and Calling ought to be made to this end that the Church by the free Suffrage of the whole Congregation or such to whom she hath committed a Right and Power of choosing may approve and accept of one of them That the Suffrages are collected by some Pastor of the Church or of another to whom he shall commit it And they are given either in Order by every Elector Vivâ voce or joyntly of all or many by lifting up of hands or either way c. For if by giving their Suffrages Vivâ voce there were variance and they go into many Sentences of unprofitable and tedious prolixity Those who had any Votes for Ordination were again named and every one being named they who chose him were commanded to lift up their Hands At the Nomination of whom either all or many lifted up their Hands this Man was concluded to be Lawfully Elected After this manner saith he Paul and Barnabas did Create Elders Acts 14.23 And after under this Question By what Rite or Ceremony c. he saith He who was Elected by the Church with free Suffrages at length received Ordination of the Pastors of the Church 1 Tim. 4.14 5.22 the whole Multitude of the Church being present Then Polanus concludes with these words They do therefore grievously sin who do manifestly drive away the Ecclesiastical People or Flock from the Election of their Ministers which saith he the false or Counterfeit Popish Bishops do yea they do grievously sin who do impose Bishops and Pastors upon the Church against their will Thus far Polanus agrees in his own words From some of the former Authorities The African Synod Athanasius Cornelius and others The Presbyterian Divines in their Book called Smectimnius admits this power to reside in the People of particular Churches and that by Divine Authority They say First That the especial power of Judging of the Worthiness or Unworthiness lay in the People Secondly That the power of choosing or refusing them upon this Judgment resided in the People Thirdly That the power descended upon them by Divine Authority Athanasius say they in his Epist ad Orthodoxos blamed the Intrusion of Bishops as against the Apostolical Precepts against the Canon and compelled the Heathen to Blaspheme Mr. Prin in his Book of un-bishoping Timothy and Titus p. 69. affirms this out of Alcuvinus de Diviniis Officiis Cap. 37. That Ministers of all sorts were made to the Year 800 by this Election of Clergy and People and that they were all present at their Ordination and consented to it Also he affirms in p. 72 73. That Martin Bucer in his Book of recalling and bringing in again the use of Lawful Ordination saith That this power is in the People Much more might be produced to prove this particular See only Magdeb. Cent. 4. cap. 6. col 43. Concil Trident. in English Lib. 8. p. 725. Lib. 7. p. 591. 598. Lib. 6. p. 404 405. And as to imposition of Hands upon these thus chosen Mr. Prin in the same Book p. 72 73. quotes Jerome Epist to Evagr. and his Comment upon Titus for this That the Ancient Consecration of Bishops

THE DISCIPLINE AND ORDER Of Particular CHURCHES NO NOVELTY Proved from Scripture Reason Antiquity and the most Eminent Modern DIVINES OR A Discourse of the Church in a Scripture Notion with her Extent Power and Practice tending to Moderate the Minds of Men toward Dissenters in Matters Ecclesiastical and to acquit such from the Charge of Innovation Faction Separation Schism and Breach of Union and Peace in the Church who cannot conform in many things to the Rules Canons and Practices of others By a Lover of Truth Peace Unity and Order London Printed Anno Dom. M.DC.LXXV THE DISCIPLINE AND ORDER OF Particular CHURCHES no Novelty c. THE Church of God since the days of the Gospel was and is according to Scripture-expressions either first the whole Body of Christ consisting of all the Elect See the disputation against Campion at the Tower Sep. 18. 1581. in the Morn by Tulk. and Goad as Eph. 5.23 Christ the head of the Church the Saviour of the Body ver 27. That he might present to himself a Glorious Church ver 25. Christ loved the Church and gave himself for it So Heb. 12.22 23. To the General Assembly and Church of the First born written in Heaven c. Col. 1.18 He is the Head of the Body the Church c. Dr. Carleton sometime Bishop of Chichester in his little Piece Called A Direction to know the true Church p. 3. saith That the Saints before the Law under the Law and under Grace make up the Body of Christ or Members of the Church and that this is the Catholick Church Or Secondly the Universal Visible Church or whole Visible Body of Believers upon the whole Earth at the same time as Acts 2.42 The Lord added to the Church daily Mr. Baxter Cure of Church-Divisions p. 82. Ho●ke● Eccl. Polity third Book p. 88. c. So Eph. 3.21 Vnto him be Glory in the Church by Christ Jesus throughout all Ages Or Thirdly a particular Congregation Society or Company of Professors of the Faith of Jesus Christ usually meeting together in one place as one Body for the participation of the same Ordinances and Exercising the same Duty as a Church in Edifying one another Reynolds in his Conference with Hart Cap. 6. p. 218. saith That a Bishop in our sence is him to whom the Over-fight and charge of a particular Church is committed such as Ephesus Philippi and the seven Churches Prayer c. Such as was the Church in Jerusalem Acts 11.22 Tydings came to the Ears of the Church which was in Jerusalem and they sent forth Barnabas and others c. That this was but one Congregation is evident from Act. 15. where Paul and Barnabas and others coming from Antioch to this Church they were received by the Church first and then the Apostles and Elders The Apostles Elders and Brethren the whole Multitude were present at the Discourse of the Matter and the Epistle wrote in the name of the whole Apostles Elders and Brethren met together with one accord ver 25. Such was the Church of Antioch which was gathered together Acts 14.27 when Paul and Barnabas came and with whom they had Assembled before a whole year Acts 11.26 And were afterwards gathered together to receive and hear the Epistle Acts 15.30 Such were the Churches which the Apostles visited and ordained Elders in Acts 14.23 for they did it by suffrage Likewise the Church in Corinth 1 Cor. 1 2. Vnto the Church of God in Corinth These met in one place 1 Cor. 5. 1 Cor. 11.18.20.23 Cap. 14.23 So the Church at Cenchrea near Corinth See Smect p. 40 41. 47 58 59. Bishop Jewels Reply to Harding p. 230. And Mr. Stillingfleet quotes Pareus in Rom. 16. for this that the Church of Corinth did meet sometimes at Cenchrea because of the violence of their Enemies in Corinth Therefore also when the Apostles spake any where of the Assemblies or Societies of Believers in any one Country they call them not a Church in the singular Number or the Church of such a Country or Isle but Churches as of many in the same Country as in Judea Macedonia Galatia Asia 1 Thes 2.14 2 Cor. 8.1.18.23 24. Gal. 1.2.22 The Holy Ghost mentions seven Churches by name in Asia Rev. 1.4 Ch. 2. Ch. 3. And as to this the same Bishop Carleton in the same Book p. 2. saith That particular Churches are visible Assemblies c. and Governed by divers visible heads and proves it by Gregory Lib. 4. Epist 3. A fourth Church in Scripture Phrase cannot be found since the time that all in every Nation which fear God are accepted as the Apostle said Acts 10.34 35. Such as National Provincial Synodical c. We read not in Scripture nor in any Church History for many years after Christ of any Church distinct from these Descriptions before given Now it is to be presumed that there are none who will affirm that the first of these three Churches could possibly meet together or do any Act as a Church either in choosing Officers determining Controversies Ordering things indifferent to Edification giving Interpretations of Scriptures partaking of Ordinances and casting out of Offenders c. Or that ever any such Power was derived down from Christ upon them as a Church so to do or that he ever intended this Church when he directs any thing to be done by the Church as such because of the utter impossibility of their performance thereof as a Church part of which being already fallen asleep and part not yet born Also it may be concluded as to the second Church above described that it is utterly impossible they should at any time meet together as a Church in one Body to agree upon consent unto Act or Order any thing according to the power given to the Churches as above joyntly as such a Church or partake of Ordinances joyntly as such Nay it 's improbable if not impossible that in their Representative this Church should meet and put themselves into a capacity to Act as a Church in any of the things to be done by a Church as such Nay was there ever any such meeting of this Church None as can be found in Story Or if this were possible where have we Authority of Scripture or Primitive Practice to justifie such a Company of Representatives to call themselves a Church in this sence and to take to themselves the Power of the whole Church given to her by Jesus Christ and to call their Acts the Acts of the Church And it would be strange for any to affirm that Christ hath put the Power as to the Execution of it into the hands of a Body that can never possibly be able to Execute the Power derived upon If any number of Men would colourably make themselves the Churches Representative It is necessary they should be chosen by the whole and some one at least for every particular Church Body Society or Congregation throughout the World as the Messengers

he tells this Church in general that they did affect Eusebius and would have Elected him to be their Bishop and then he perswades them to choose another seeing all did not agree therefore saith he not Lawful because saith he he that is Elected to a Bishoprick by the general Suffrage of Wise men assembled to deliberate thereof ought by Gods Law to enjoy it This is Recorded in Eusebius of the Life of Constantine Lib. 3. cap. 58. p. 52. Yea the great Nicene Councel agree it in these words expressed in Socrat. Lib. 1. cap. 6. p. 225. Speaking about some who might be in a Capacity of being made Ministers they say if they be found worthy and the People choose them they may Succeed the Deceased c. Yet further it 's manifest by the same History That where any one Congregation did divide into two Bodies each apart chose their own Bishops for themselves as in the Case of the Church of Antioch Socrat. Lib. 5. Cap. 9. p. 343. Lib. 4. cap. 1. p. 316. So in many other Cases when those of the true Faith had Bishops imposed upon them by the Arrians they divided themselves from the Arrians and chose to themselves Bishops and Assembled alone And it is observable That all these Bishops thus chosen and appointed of the People of these particular Churches were still acknowledged as Lawful Bishops by all and in all the Councels mentioned in those Histories Nor do we find the least Objection any where Recorded in those days against such who came thus to this Office as being unlawfully called To this Practice of the particular Churches and their Right thereto the Fathers give in their Testimonies also a touch of them therefore Tertul. in his Apol. to the Gent. Cap. 39. p. 137. English Translation saith That in these Assemblies there are Bishops that preside they are approved of by the Suffrage of them whom they ought to conduct So saith many others Possidon in vita Aug. Cap. 4. Leo. 1. Epist 95. quoted by the Magdeburg Divines Cent. 2. cap. 7. col 134 135. Cent. 1. Lib. 1. cap. 4. col 179. Cent. 3. cap. 6. col 146 147. The Roman Presbiters in their Epistle to Cyrian affirm that every Church hath a like Power of Choosing Calling and Ordaining Ministers and for just cause again to depose them Cyprian Lib. 1. Epist 4. Aug. Epist 100. Cyprian Epist 68. And Cyprian himself saith That the right of choosing such as are fit and refusing the unworthy belong to the People and whole Church and that by Divine Authority And that the Officers and People did consult about it with common consent And for these things he is quoted by the Magdeburg Writers Cent. 3. cap. 7. col 153.173 174 175. Cap. 6. col 135 136.146 and also that the People did consider the Life and Manners of the Persons to be chosen and judge and much more to this purpose in those places before John Ferus a Fryer in his Comment upon Act. 11. and Magdeburg Cent. 5. cap. 6. col 178 179 180. Now we shall add a few Testimonies and Judgments of latter Ages and of Men otherwise differing The Papists themselves at the Councel of Trent acknowledged that this was the usual Practice of the Church of God for 800 Years together after Christ for the particular Churches to choose their own Ministers and they then affirmed that there were remaining at that day the Records thereof at Rome and they then and there desired that those Records might be destroyed lest Luther who maintained this Right to the People should make use of them to bring in the Custom into the Church again And they there also acknowledge that this was taken from the Church by the Authority of a Council only who made a Decree against it See the Conference of Rayno'ds Hart c. 6. p. 223. Hart saith out of Genebrard that Clemens took not the Bishoprick by the Councel of the Lord least the Example of taking it by nomi●ation of Peter should pass to posterity and derogate from the free providence of the Church in choosing of her own Bishop Geneb●ard Chronolg l. 3. in Lin. See more l. 4. Seculo 11. Cited in the same Confer Cap. 7. l ●76 Concil Trident. in English Lib 7. p. 590 591.598 See more of the same Council Lib. 8. p. 725. And he that wrote this History complains against Rome about this in these words The Church of Rome grant not the People the Election of their Ministers which certainly saith he was an Apostolical Institution continued more than 800 Years Concil Trident. Lib. 2. p. 163. Bishop Jewel in his Reply to Mr. Harding p. 230. Saith out of Cyprian Lib. 1. Epist 4. That the Bishoprick was bestowed upon Sabinus by the consent and voices of the whole Brother-hood of that Church to which he was to be Bishop He there saith that Honorius the Emperour Writing to Boneface doth agree him to be Bishop whom some of the Clergy and whole Brother-hood shall choose And the Bishop himself then there affirms from hence that every particular Church is called the whole Church And after in p. 282. The Bishop affirms that Cyprian in the same place saith That the People being Obedient to Gods Law have Power especially to choose worthy or refuse unworthy Priests Mr. Stillingfleet in his Irenicum p. 306. quotes Tertul. Exhort Castil c. 7. for these words That all the difference between the Ministers and People comes from the Churches Authority and again p. 416. himself saith That Episcopal men will hardly find any evidence in Scripture or the Practice of the Apostles for Churches consisting of many fixed Congregations for Worship under the Charge of one man nor in the Primitive Church for the Ordination of Bishops without the preceding Election of the Clergy and at least consent and approbation of the People so much he allows there and something more in p. 339. where he useth these words speaking of Elders now the voyce of the People which was used in the Primitive times is grown out of use c. by which he confesseth it to be the Primitive Practice But Mr. Stillingfleet having as he saith been at the pains to transcribe some of Bishop Cranmer's words they will serve well here and we shall again transcribe so much of them as speaks to this particular See them in the same Irenicum p. 391 392. They are these That in the Apostles time when there were no Christian Princes by whose Authority Ministers of Gods Word might be appointed nor sins be corrected by the Sword there was no Remedy then for correction of Vice or appointment of Ministers but only the consent of Christian Multitude amongst themselves by an uniform consent to follow the Advice and perswasion of such Persons whom God had most endued with the Spirit of Wisdom and Councel c. Sometimes the Apostles and others unto whom God had given abundance of his Spirit sent or appointed Ministers of Gods

doctrine And we find the seven Churches in As●● acting thus and not one blamed for the neglect 〈◊〉 another in this matter nor one commended for th● good in another but each Church for it self Perg●mus blamed for having such amongst them that he● the doctrine of Balaam Thyatira for suffering th● woman Jezebel to teach and seduce c. The Churc● of Ephesus commended for trying the false Ap●stles Magdib Cent 1. l. 2. cap 7. Col. 522. Rev. 2.2.14 15 20. which clearly shewe● that these Churches had no dependency one of an●ther but each had power both to try false teacher and to have cast them out not to have suffered the● amongst them and the not doing it or the d●ing of it accordingly is taken notice of by th● Lord Jesus Christ as a neglect or a work of ea●● Church as particularly and alone concerned and 〈◊〉 the whole body of each Church as is evident 〈◊〉 those places and these words there used in th● close of what was written to each Church He● what the Spirit saith to the Churches not to th● Officers or particular Persons offending or Bishop but the whole and they blamed for suffering su●● Persons amongst them That those Churches we● but particular Societies or single Congregation● and the things spoken are spoken to the whole bod● of each Church Ambrosius Ausbertius Perkin● and Brightman affirm And also Dr. Tulke Tydal and the Old Translators call them seven Co●gregations Ephesus one and that said to be b● one Flock Acts 20. For at this time were m●titudes of Jews and Heathens in this City Ye● ●en Polycarp their Bishop was called out to suffer ●●re were but few Christians in that City as Eu●ius History tells us The Presbyterian Divines ●ree this See Smect p. 40 41 43. Tertul. also tells us That in these Congregati●s these things were done In these Assemblies ●●ith he we make Exhortations and Threatnings 〈◊〉 Divine Censures that banisheth Sinners and ex●deth them from our Communion We Judge ●●m saith he with very great Circumspection ●cause we know that God is in the midst of us ●d knows what we do Apol. Cap. 39. p. 137. 〈◊〉 this the Magdeburg Century Writers fully ●ree And also sets forth the manner how the Con●egations did it Cent. 1. Lib. 1. Cap. 4. col 158. ●b 2. Cap. 4. Col. 358 359. Cap. 6. Col. 498. ●●d again they prove this from Augustine Cent. ● Cap. 4. Col. 380 381 382 383 384. And ●ain they say from Ambrose ad Valentinianum ●peratorem That those Churches had this Pow● and none else and this ought to be done openly the Congregation the People being present Cent. ● cap. 7. col 500 501. And that in the Epistle the Roman Presbyters to Cyprian it is affirmed at the Presbyters Deacons and Lay-People ●re wont to be together in Councel and to speak ●d confer their own sence and mind in these things those days Cent. 3. cap. 7. col 176.152 153. ●●d that Cyprian himself saith That as the Peo●e and whole Church hath Power to choose their ●●n Ministers So if the Bishops did fall into He●ie they were deposed by the Clergy and Peo●e and they appoint another And that it was ●t Lawful for the Bishop to do any thing herein ●thout the Peoples Councels Cent. 3. cap. 7. col 173 174 175 176. And again they say that Origen did rebuke the Pride of some Priests those days who did despise the Counsels of t● Inferior Priests and Lay-Men Cent. 3. cap. 7. c● 151 152 153. Many more Testimonies might 〈◊〉 offered for the proof hereof in those days no● denying it or practising otherwise for many Ag● And Mr. Stillingfleet Mr. Vines upon the Sacrament P. 129 173 194 195 196. agrees all this f●lly And also saith That God gave this great Charter to the Church not the Emperor and that God gave it to them as a Church in the same Irenicum p. 4● saith as to a Power arising from mutual compa● and consent of Parties he acknowledgeth a Pow● to bind all included under that Compact Not 〈◊〉 virtue of any supreme binding Power in them b● from the free consent of the Parties submitting sai● he which he saith there is most agreeable to th● Nature of Church-Power being not Coersive b● Directive and then he avers That such was t● Confederate Discipline of the Primitive Church b●fore they had any Christian Magistrate From whic● words of his may be gathered That there was 〈◊〉 Agreement amongst Christians of each Society 〈◊〉 Congregation to submit to the Laws of Christ f●● he saith none can be bound but those that consen● and it canno tbe supposed that such a confederatio● or Agreement can be well made amongst more tha● can conveniently meet in one place as a Churc● that all are bound who do thus Confederate or joy themselves together in a Society and that this Society and Church by virtue of this Confederatio● as a Church hath Power in this case to deal wi●● as many as do come amongst them and consen● Especially since he hath in the same Book p. 13● agreed that a real confederation ought to be b●tween those who joyn themselvas together in Go●pel-Ordinances in Order to their being a Church and saith that none will deny this who know what it is that makes a Society to be so which is ●●ch a real confederation with one another And ●●terwards p. 148 149. to the matters in hand more ●xpresly he saith these things That the Jews being ●●e Church of God secluded Men from their So●eties which saith he may be looked upon not 〈◊〉 a civil but a Sacred Action and that they had ●●is Power of Excommunication and for the Chri●●ian Church he saith the practice of Discipline ●pon Offenders was never questioned c. That ●ence saith he we gather in that it hath been the ●ractice of Societies constituted for the Worship ●f God to call Offenders to an account for their Of●ences and if upon Examination they are found ●uilty to exclude them their Societies and that it 〈◊〉 the dictate of the Law of Nature That every Offender against the Laws of a Societie must give ●n account of his actions to the Rulers of the So●iety and submit to the censures inflicted on him ●rom all which sayings of his this will follow That every particular Church or Society joyning ●ogether by a Confederation amongst themselves ●ave this Power within themselves to call Offenders ●o an account and to seclude them their Society if ●here be just cause found Yet take one place more ●f him and then we shall leave this as undenyable it is in p. 228 229. where he saith It must in rea●on be supposed that all Matters of the Nature of ●candal to the Church must be decided there Mat. ●8 And there he Argues the Lawfulness of Ex●ommunication in Christian Churches and adds ●his For if every Person saith he might with●raw from the Society of such a one as continued ●efractory in

matter of no small difficulty for either Magistrates or Governours of Churches or both together to determine what things are so indifferent in their own Nature about the worship of God and as to their use and practice that they must needs be so accounted by all the members of the Churches there Hookers Eccles Polity in the Preface For this is Necessary in this Case Christs Law Rom. 14. being clear in this That if any absolutely indifferent thing used or imposed be really an offence to weak Christians that is when such weak ones do upon serious thoughts judge the things themselves in their own nature not indifferent or else as they are used and circumstantiated but sinfull or suspitious in this case they may not be used by other Christians much lesse imposed For if these weak ones should do this when imposed while they thus judge they should sin And for such as look upon these things and impose them as indifferent they may without the least scruple lay aside the use of them themselves and much more dispense with others for not using them For a thing purely indifferent may as well not be used as used especially when they prove an offence to others If men choose to obey God rather than Men. Thus saith Mr. Stillingfleet in his Irenicum p. 63. That nothing should be determined but what is sufficiently known to be indifferent in its own nature and he there confesseth that there is a great difficulty to know sufficiently what is so and gives this as his reason because one looks upon that to be indifferent which another doth not And again in p. 118. 119. See Doctor More in Book called the Mistery of Godliness Book 10. c. 10. p. 515 516 c. treating of liberty of Conscence He saith that the power of Governours in these things extends not to bind men to go against the dictates of their own Reason and Consciences and again there saith he when all is said every man will be his own judge in this case concerning his own welfare and that an erroneous Conscience takes not off the obligation to follow the dictates thereof So that from this were there no other thing in the case but that men do differently judge of the same things both as they are in their own nature and also in their use and ends Church Governours would find it work enough to determine such things so as it cannot be an offence to any which thing must be regarded if Christs Law be had in any reverence Yet further there are many other considerable things in this case as to their use and ends and as those things determined may be circumstantiated As first when things determined to be used in the matters of Gods Worship do not in truth answer the ends of their use and whereto they were determined above others as for Edification Decency Order and Peace in the Church and in these cases also every man must be his own judge whether it doth in truth lead to those ends or not they may be offensive and then if the Apostle Paul may be judge they are not to be used for the totall laying aside and not using such things at all will tend most to Peace and Edification Rom. 14.10 and thus the Fathers in former ages judged for which Mr. Stillingfleet in his aforesaid Book p. 68. 69. Quotes Aug. Epist 119. ad Jan. Cap. 19. for this that he desires there that such things might be taken away and useth these words as his reasons That although we cannot positively say how such things as those do manifestly impugne our Faith yet in that they load our Religion with servile Burthens which the mercy of God hath left free that they make our condition worse than that of the Jews for they although strangers to Gospel liberty had no burthen charged upon them by the constitutions of men but only by the lawes and commandments of God And again p. 61 62. he Quotes Ambros and Augustine against imposing of things indifferent upon this very ground because they answer not the ends intended but produced the contrary effects and he therefore cites these words of August to this purpose I saith Aug. have often found it to my grief and sorrow that the troubles of weaker Christians have been caused by the contentious obstinacy of some on the one hand and the superstitious fearfullness of others on the other in things which are neither determined by the authority of Holy Scripture nor by Custome of the Vniversall Church nor yet by any usefullnesse of the things themselves in order to the making of mens lives better only for some petty reason in a mans own mind or because it hath been the Custome of their Country or because they have found it so in other Churches they raise such quarrells and Contentions that they think nothing Right or Lawfull but what they doe themselves See the Conference of R●ynolds with Hart c. 8. p. 510. Raynolds maintains it to be duty to remove such things as our fathers set up if turned to error and superstition and quo●es the Canon Law Dist 63. for it Secondly Another thing may make the use of indifferent things about Gods worship unlawful as to their use that is where they are used by the generality of people not as indifferent things but as necessary with an opinion that their worship is not perfect except it be performed after the manner determined which is an abuse of them It is true the Papists say of their Images they are but indifferent things yet it is well known that the generality of them do not so esteem of them which Mr. Stillingfleet also fully agrees in the same Book p. 64. So it is certainly known amongst us Protestants that the generality do look upon and esteem of many things indifferent in their own nature determined and long in use as necessary so that they think no part of Gods Worship or Church affairs well performed or perfect if not exactly done according to that rule determined and in use and therefore will not willingly do any thing otherwise though they were never Compelled to it by law which indeed hath been the ordinary effect of a Constant use of any indifferent thing about worship or Church matters that people by Custome and Usage drink down an opinion of the necessity of their use and cannot endure their removal Wherefore that indifferent things might be still known to be so and so accounted they should be used indifferently and not the same constantly to prevent this superstitious and Idolatrous opinion men apt to have of them by their countenance Bishop Jewel in his reply to Harding p. 542. said that many Hereticks plead nothing but that they were born in lived in that which they now practise and received it from their Fathers Now for others to use these things otherwise in●ndifferent in themselves is to harden these in their error and superstitious opinion Thirdly This also may