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A51082 The true non-conformist in answere to the modest and free conference betwixt a conformist and a non-conformist about the present distempers of Scotland / by a lover of truth ... McWard, Robert, 1633?-1687. 1671 (1671) Wing M235; ESTC R16015 320,651 524

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prudentissima_fw-la regni_fw-la procuratrice_n procedentibus_fw-la dum_fw-la ex_fw-la una_fw-la parte_fw-la etc._n etc._n &_o ex_fw-la alia_fw-la perduelles_fw-la religionis_fw-la vi_fw-la &_o suasionibus_fw-la manus_fw-la dare_v coguntur_fw-la etc._n etc._n obsessa_fw-la enim_fw-la ab_fw-la imberto_n cum_fw-la exercitu_fw-la regio_fw-la tholossa_n etc._n etc._n with_o many_o the_o like_a passage_n which_o may_v be_v see_v in_o this_o author_n innocentius_n tertius_fw-la ad_fw-la istam_fw-la albigensium_fw-la haeresin_fw-la extirpandam_fw-la etc._n etc._n arma_fw-la in_o eos_fw-la excitat_fw-la curam_fw-la autem_fw-la belli_fw-la leopoldo_n etc._n etc._n &_o simoni_n comiti_fw-la montisfortis_n demandat_fw-la urbes_fw-la vi_fw-la captae_fw-la erant_fw-la bitterae_fw-la etc._n etc._n item_n francorum_fw-la regi_fw-la instinctu_fw-la innocentii_fw-la 3_o papae_fw-la cum_fw-la albigensium_fw-la haereticis_fw-la negotium_fw-la fuit_fw-la belli_fw-la dux_n simon_n montisfortis_n erat_fw-la 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