22_o i_o deny_v say_v be_v this_o succession_n of_o pastor_n to_o be_v always_o notorious_a to_o the_o world_n and_o in_o his_o answer_n to_o stapletons_n cavillat_n who_o will_v acknowledge_v that_o she_o alone_o it_o the_o true_a church_n who_o can_v show_v her_o pastor_n in_o a_o continual_a succession_n d._n humphrey_n to_o 3._o reason_n of_o f._n campian_n p._n 288._o confess_v that_o not_o so_o much_o as_o the_o name_n of_o the_o pastor_n who_o teach_v their_o church_n be_v extant_a d._n whitaker_n cont._n 2_o quest_n 5._o cap._n 6._o page_n 508._o thus_o write_v what_o then_o be_v the_o succession_n of_o our_o pastor_n always_o visible_a no._n for_o this_o be_v not_o needful_a though_o therefore_o our_o pastor_n be_v not_o in_o time_n past_o manifest_a neither_o can_v we_o name_v then_o yet_o etc._n etc._n d._n morton_n in_o the_o first_o part_n of_o his_o apology_n lib._n 1._o cap._n 21._o say_v that_o the_o catholic_a church_n can_v always_o show_v the_o ordination_n of_o pastor_n d._n white_a in_o his_o way_n to_o the_o church_n pag._n 410_o i_o have_v show_v the_o teacher_n of_o our_o faith_n do_v lawful_o succeed_v and_o so_o always_o have_v do_v though_o not_o outward_o and_o visible_o to_o the_o world_n the_o like_a he_o have_v pag._n 411._o and_o 436._o sadel_n write_v his_o book_n the_o vocatione_n ministrorun_v against_o such_o protestant_n as_o think_v that_o their_o minister_n want_v all_o lawful_a call_n because_o say_v they_o they_o have_v no_o perpetual_a visible_a succession_n from_o the_o apostle_n unto_o these_o time_n and_o himself_o there_o pag._n 560._o confess_v that_o visible_a succession_n have_v be_v break_v of_o for_o many_o year_n in_o the_o church_n thou_o see_v good_a reader_n how_o they_o plain_o confess_v that_o before_o luther_n start_v up_o their_o pastor_n be_v unknown_a to_o the_o world_n not_o manifest_a their_o succession_n not_o always_o visible_a their_o name_n not_o extant_a nor_o they_o can_v be_v name_v of_o 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tom_fw-mi 3._o fol._n 568_o the_o church_n have_v no_o true_a ministry_n under_o antichrist_n ministry_n no_o true_a ministry_n upon_o the_o 25._o of_o genesis_n tom_n 6._o fol._n 319_o in_o our_o time_n after_o those_o popish_a monster_n the_o true_a knowledge_n of_o the_o word_n and_o of_o divine_a ordination_n be_v extinguish_v and_o upon_o the_o 49._o chap._n fol._n 655_o extinguish_v extinguish_v we_o be_v not_o the_o church_n for_o any_o ordinary_a succession_n caluin_n epist_n 290_o because_o the_o true_a rank_n of_o ordination_n be_v break_v of_o by_o the_o tyranny_n of_o the_o pope_n now_o we_o need_v have_v new_a help_n to_o raise_v again_o the_o church_n of_o break_a of_o and_o in_o answer_n to_o sadolet_n pag._n 132._o he_o write_v that_o when_o the_o supremacy_n of_o the_o pope_n be_v set_v up_o the_o true_a order_n of_o the_o church_n perish_v perish_v perish_v and_o of_o true_a reformation_n p._n 322_o not_o without_o cause_n do_v we_o avouch_v the_o church_n of_o god_n for_o some_o age_n to_o have_v be_v so_o ioâ—ne_a and_o scatter_v that_o be_v it_o be_v destitute_a of_o true_a pastor_n beza_n in_o his_o catechism_n pastor_n destitute_a of_o pastor_n title_n of_o the_o church_n cap._n 5_o sect_n 18_o in_o our_o time_n it_o come_v to_o pass_v thing_n be_v so_o fall_v down_o that_o there_o be_v leave_v no_o place_n for_o ordinary_a vocation_n and_o epist_n 5._o pag._n 39_o in_o our_o time_n ordinary_a vocation_n where_o ordinary_a vocation_n no_o where_o which_o no_o where_n be_v neither_o can_v nor_o aught_o to_o be_v expect_v and_o epist_n 24_o you_o know_v be_v teach_v by_o fresh_a example_n how_o the_o public_a ministry_n be_v as_o it_o be_v overwhelm_v for_o a_o time_n yet_o the_o church_n of_o god_n remain_v and_o epist_n 81_o the_o matter_n come_v to_o that_o pass_n ground_n overthrow_v to_o the_o ground_n that_o the_o ecclesiastical_a order_n be_v whole_o overthrow_v even_o to_o the_o foundation_n the_o vain_a name_n thereof_o only_o remain_v 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about_o to_o show_v any_o other_o kind_n of_o pastor_n final_o all_o those_o who_o affirm_v that_o the_o vocation_n or_o mission_n of_o luther_n and_o their_o first_o minister_n be_v extraordinary_a must_v needs_o say_v that_o there_o be_v no_o former_a protestant_n pastor_n of_o who_o they_o can_v have_v be_v send_v or_o approve_v pastor_n protestant_n say_v the_o church_n may_v be_v without_o pastor_n 4._o the_o same_o also_o they_o insinuate_v when_o they_o teach_v that_o the_o church_n may_v be_v without_o pastor_n which_o they_o affirm_v that_o thereby_o they_o may_v defend_v the_o be_v of_o their_o own_o church_n before_o luther_n when_o it_o have_v no_o pastor_n luther_n in_o cap._n 4._o oseae_n tom_n 4._o fol_z 295_o as_o if_o the_o church_n be_v tie_v to_o any_o certain_a order_n of_o ministry_n the_o confession_n of_o saxony_n cap._n 12_o god_n eftsoon_o restore_v the_o ministry_n caluin_n of_o true_a reform_v pag._n 332_o i_o grant_v indeed_o that_o it_o can_v never_o fall_v out_o that_o the_o church_n perish_v but_o when_o they_o refer_v that_o to_o pastor_n which_o be_v promise_v of_o the_o perpetual_a continuance_n of_o the_o church_n in_o that_o they_o be_v much_o deceive_v for_o the_o church_n do_v not_o perish_v straight_o if_o pastor_n he_o want_v beza_n of_o the_o note_n of_o the_o church_n pag._n 55_o ordinary_a succession_n and_o vocation_n of_o pastor_n be_v not_o always_o needful_a or_o perpetual_a sadeel_n in_o answer_n to_o the_o abjure_v article_n pag._n 533_o it_o be_v false_a that_o the_o outward_a ministry_n must_v be_v perpetual_a the_o same_o he_o have_v in_o repetit_fw-la sophism_n turriani_n pag._n 763._o junius_n and_o danaeus_n lib._n 4._o de_fw-fr eccles_n cap._n 8._o bucan_n in_o his_o 41._o place_v de_fw-fr eccles_n quest_n 19_o sometime_o the_o outward_a and_o usual_a ministry_n of_o the_o church_n be_v interrupt_v the_o church_n be_v extraordinary_o nourish_v of_o god_n as_o it_o be_v in_o the_o desert_n keckerman_n in_o his_o 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cit_fw-la cap._n 17._o write_v thus_o the_o matter_n of_o the_o proposition_n to_o wit_n where_o there_o be_v no_o succession_n there_o be_v no_o church_n you_o know_v to_o be_v weak_a and_o cap._n 18._o he_o affirm_v this_o say_n to_o be_v false_a succession_n of_o doctrine_n can_v be_v divide_v from_o succession_n of_o person_n and_o cap._n 23._o say_v succession_n of_o faith_n may_v be_v without_o succession_n of_o doctrine_n and_o succession_n of_o doctrine_n without_o succession_n of_o person_n d._n fulke_o lib._n the_o success_n pag._n 319_o yea_o even_o the_o very_a public_a preach_v of_o the_o word_n may_v be_v silent_a for_o a_o time_n and_o the_o church_n be_v deprive_v for_o a_o time_n of_o this_o ordinary_a mean_n of_o her_o salvation_n may_v be_v preserve_v so_o long_o of_o god_n and_o d._n white_a in_o his_o way_n to_o the_o church_n pag._n 87_o all_o the_o external_a government_n of_o the_o church_n may_v come_v to_o decay_v in_o that_o the_o local_a and_o personal_a 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adversary_n and_o our_o first_o minister_n have_v the_o same_o ecclesiastical_a call_n boysseul_n in_o confutat_fw-la spondaei_n pag._n 486_o it_o be_v no_o reproach_n for_o our_o pastor_n to_o have_v issue_v out_o of_o you_o or_o as_o you_o say_v to_o have_v have_v their_o vocation_n from_o you_o moulins_n lib._n 1._o de_fw-la vocat_fw-la cap._n 5._o pag._n 20._o endeavour_v to_o uphold_v the_o call_n of_o their_o first_o reformer_n say_v they_o have_v that_o calling_n which_o be_v ordinary_a in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n pa._n 21_o they_o have_v their_o call_n of_o the_o pope_n cap._n 9_o pag._n 36_o they_o have_v the_o same_o ordinary_a call_n which_o our_o adversary_n have_v and_o lib._n 2._o tract_n 1._o cap._n 1._o pag._n 172_o the_o calling_n they_o have_v in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n suffice_v to_o bind_v they_o to_o preach_v and_o pag._n 173_o their_o commission_n be_v no_o other_o than_o the_o ordinary_a charge_n seravia_n in_o defen_n grad_n minist_n cap._n 2._o pag._n 31._o we_o ought_v not_o to_o think_v that_o in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n ecclesiastical_a ministry_n be_v decay_v and_o pag._n 33_o i_o like_v not_o their_o forwardness_n who_o acknowledge_v no_o ministry_n in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n but_o deem_v all_o that_o be_v there_o devilish_a ibid_fw-la beza_n do_v exagitate_v popish_a order_n over_o much_o wherein_o i_o fear_v lest_o he_o prejudice_n a_o good_a cause_n d._n whitaker_n contr_n 4._o quest_n 5._o cap._n 3._o pag._n 682_o the_o papist_n have_v some_o sort_n of_o ministry_n and_o some_o preach_n of_o the_o word_n which_o doubtless_o avail_v many_o to_o salvation_n and_o other_o where_o as_o be_v before_o cite_v among_o the_o papist_n there_o be_v the_o key_n the_o office_n of_o preach_v etc._n etc._n m._n bell_n in_o his_o first_o book_n of_o the_o pope_n funeral_n cap._n
man_n sonis_fw-la respon_n ad_fw-la spondeum_fw-la c._n 10._o pag._n 365._o heretic_n be_v within_o the_o church_n lubbert_n lib._n 2._o de_fw-fr eccles_n cap._n 3_o it_o be_v manifest_a that_o heretic_n be_v some_o as_o yet_o in_o the_o visible_a church_n some_o also_o in_o the_o church_n of_o the_o elect_a junius_n lib._n 3._o de_fw-fr eccles_n cap._n 4_o heretic_n absolute_o be_v of_o the_o church_n unless_o they_o be_v such_o as_o overthrow_v fundamental_a article_n of_o religion_n â—â—_o cap._n 3_o n._n â—â—_o bullinger_n teach_v the_o same_o decad._n 2._o serm_n 8._o and_o it_o be_v the_o common_a doctrine_n of_o the_o protestant_n who_o as_o be_v before_o prove_v exclude_v none_o from_o be_v member_n of_o their_o church_n that_o deny_v only_o such_o article_n as_o be_v not_o fundamental_a howbeit_o some_o of_o they_o upon_o heretical_a privilege_n as_o tertullian_n speak_v will_v not_o have_v such_o call_v heretic_n â—5_n lib._n de_fw-fr carne_fw-la coâ—isti_fw-la cap._n â—5_n be_v indeed_o more_o ashamed_a of_o the_o name_n then_o of_o the_o thing_n itself_o zanchius_n likewise_o lib._n 1._o epist_n ad_fw-la dudit_fw-la pag._n 150._o say_v that_o heretical_a and_o schismatical_a sect_n be_v within_o the_o church_n tilenus_n in_o syntag._n disput_fw-la 14_o heretic_n even_o those_o that_o subvert_v the_o foundation_n and_o schismatic_o in_o regard_n of_o outward_a communion_n be_v in_o the_o church_n till_o either_o of_o themselves_o they_o go_v to_o the_o enemy_n side_n or_o be_v cast_v out_o by_o the_o lawful_a judgement_n of_o the_o church_n and_o d._n feild_n in_o his_o first_o book_n of_o the_o church_n cap_n 14_o see_v god_n give_v the_o power_n of_o the_o key_n and_o the_o dispensation_n of_o his_o word_n and_o sacrament_n only_o to_o his_o church_n if_o heretic_n be_v not_o of_o the_o church_n they_o do_v not_o then_o baptize_v and_o cap._n 7_o they_o that_o be_v partaker_n of_o the_o heavenly_a call_n and_o sanctify_v by_o the_o profession_n of_o divine_a truth_n and_o the_o use_n of_o the_o mean_n of_o salvation_n be_v of_o very_o diverse_a sort_n as_o heretic_n schismatik_n hypocrite_n and_o those_o that_o profess_v the_o whole_a save_a truth_n in_o unity_n and_o sincerity_n of_o a_o good_a and_o sanctify_a heart_n all_o these_o be_v partaker_n of_o the_o heavenly_a call_n and_o sanctify_v by_o the_o profession_n of_o truth_n and_o consequent_o be_v all_o in_o some_o degree_n and_o sort_n of_o that_o society_n of_o man_n who_o god_n call_v out_o unto_o himself_o &_o separate_v from_o infidel_n which_o be_v right_o name_v the_o church_n d._n whitaker_n contr_n 4._o quest_n 5._o c._n 3._o pag_n 679_o all_o heretic_n be_v within_o the_o church_n hooker_n in_o his_o 3._o book_n of_o ecclesiastical_a policy_n pag._n 128_o we_o must_v acknowledge_v even_o heretic_n themselves_o to_o be_v though_o a_o maim_a part_n yet_o a_o part_n of_o a_o visible_a church_n again_o if_o a_o infidel_n shall_v pursue_v to_o death_n a_o heretic_n 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profession_n such_o be_v heretic_n schismatic_o etc._n etc._n touch_v their_o acceptation_n of_o schismatik_n beside_o what_o have_v be_v already_o allege_v d._n feild_n in_o his_o first_o book_n of_o the_o church_n cap._n 13._o write_v thus_o schismatik_n they_o challenge_v schismatik_n the_o departure_n of_o schismatic_o be_v not_o such_o but_o that_o notwithstanding_o their_o schism_n they_o be_v and_o remain_v part_n of_o the_o church_n of_o god_n junius_n in_o the_o place_n before_o quote_v lay_v claim_n to_o those_o schismatic_n who_o say_v he_o sever_v not_o themselves_o from_o the_o whole_a church_n but_o only_o from_o a_o part_n thereof_o but_o d._n mortoâ—_n in_o the_o 1._o part_n of_o his_o apology_n lib._n 1._o cap._n 2._o say_v absolute_o without_o any_o acception_n or_o restraint_n at_o all_o schismatik_n be_v of_o the_o church_n and_o lib._n 2._o cap._n 10._o pag._n 288_o variance_n say_v he_o and_o schism_n do_v not_o betoken_v the_o false_a church_n and_o d._n willet_n in_o his_o synopsis_n cont_n 2._o quest_n 3._o pag._n 104_o we_o say_v that_o schismatik_n though_o they_o hold_v some_o false_a point_n of_o doctrine_n yet_o if_o their_o error_n be_v not_o fundamental_a and_o if_o they_o retain_v the_o purity_n of_o doctrine_n in_o all_o point_v necessary_a to_o salvation_n and_o the_o administration_n of_o the_o sacrament_n may_v make_v a_o particular_a church_n by_o themselves_o these_o be_v their_o acknowledgement_n touch_v heretic_n and_o schismatic_n in_o general_n grecian_n they_o acknowledge_v the_o grecian_n let_v we_o now_o descend_v to_o particularity_n and_o see_v the_o courteous_a admission_n they_o give_v to_o some_o of_o they_o by_o name_n 8._o the_o grecian_n and_o other_o eastern_a schismatik_n yea_o heretic_n to_o for_o the_o most_o part_n find_v that_o favour_n at_o their_o hand_n as_o they_o vouchsafe_v to_o account_v they_o member_n of_o their_o church_n his_o majesty_n epist_n ad_fw-la card._n peron_n pa._n 13_o have_v thus_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n greece_n antioch_n egypt_n aethiopia_n muscovy_n and_o other_o more_o be_v member_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n d._n whiâ—e_v in_o defence_n of_o his_o way_n c._n 37._o pag._n 355_o the_o visible_a church_n of_o greece_n aethiope_n armenia_n and_o rome_n with_o the_o nation_n contain_v therein_o have_v in_o they_o the_o true_a church_n of_o god_n wherein_o man_n may_v be_v save_v d._n morton_n in_o his_o answer_n to_o the_o protestant_n apology_n lib._n 4._o cap._n 2._o sect_n 7._o say_v that_o the_o assyrian_a church_n keep_v the_o true_a foundation_n of_o christian_a faith_n the_o same_o especial_o of_o the_o grecian_n teach_v luther_n tom_n 2._o lib._n de_fw-fr captiu_fw-la babylon_n fol._n 65._o &_o in_o assert_v art_n 37._o fol._n 114._o innius_n cont_n 4_o lib._n 4._o cap._n 6._o sedeel_n respon_n ad_fw-la thes_n posnan_n cap._n 12._o d._n whitaker_n lâ—b_n 7._o cont_n duraeum_n sect_n 3._o bucanus_n loco_fw-la 41._o quest_n 5_o d._n feild_n lib._n 3._o de_fw-fr eccles_n cap._n 5._o &_o 28._o d._n fulke_o de_fw-fr success_n pag._n 120._o burhill_n pro_fw-la tortura_fw-la torti_n c._n 15._o and_o other_o 9_o and_o sometime_o they_o be_v not_o less_o freeharted_n towards_o western_a heretic_n melancthon_n in_o locis_fw-la à _fw-it maulio_fw-it editiâ—tit_fw-la de_fw-fr eccles_n pag._n 491._o write_v that_o two_o girl_n who_o be_v burn_v as_o he_o say_v for_o anabaptisme_n anabaptist_n they_o challenge_v the_o anabaptist_n hold_v the_o foundation_n of_o say_v and_o die_v in_o a_o good_a confession_n and_o zuinglius_fw-la tom_n 2._o lib._n the_o author_n sedit_fw-la fol._n 134._o &_o seq_fw-la exhort_v his_o fellower_n not_o to_o revolt_v from_o his_o doctrine_n for_o the_o debate_n and_o quarrel_n between_o the_o protestant_n and_o the_o anabaptist_n call_v both_o part_n most_o learned_a and_o son_n of_o the_o same_o father_n neither_o must_v thou_o say_v he_o give_v any_o man_n way_n to_o shake_v and_o weakeâ—_n thy_o say_v although_o thou_o see_v that_o man_n of_o the_o great_a learning_n move_v dispute_n and_o fall_v by_o the_o care_n with_o much_o eagerness_n of_o contention_n touch_v external_a matter_n he_o mean_v baptism_n but_o let_v this_o be_v rather_o thy_o steadfast_a persuasion_n that_o by_o the_o son_n of_o god_n we_o be_v all_o make_v son_n of_o the_o same_o father_n again_o neither_o be_o i_o wont_a to_o speak_v these_o thing_n for_o that_o i_o be_o so_o great_o move_v with_o the_o baptism_n of_o child_n and_o ibidem_fw-la lib._n de_fw-fr baptismo_fw-la fol._n 96._o he_o say_v that_o baptism_n be_v a_o matter_n of_o ceremony_n which_o the_o church_n may_v omit_v or_o take_v quite_o away_o oecolampadius_n in_o his_o 2._o book_n of_o epistle_n p._n 363._o say_v baptism_n be_v a_o external_a thing_n which_o by_o the_o law_n of_o charity_n may_v be_v dispense_v withal_o and_o musculus_fw-la in_o locis_fw-la do_fw-mi de_fw-fr haeresi_fw-la pag._n 605._o reckon_v the_o anabaptist_n among_o those_o who_o
they_o know_v not_o the_o apostolical_a doctrine_n and_o d._n whitaker_n de_fw-fr scriptura_fw-la lib._n 2._o cap._n 8._o sect_n ult_fw-ge howsoever_o they_o be_v environ_v with_o most_o gross_a darkness_n yet_o they_o tell_v some_o spark_n of_o truth_n and_o show_v they_o to_o other_o and_o what_o other_o thing_n i_o pray_v you_o be_v this_o but_o to_o confess_v that_o such_o be_v but_o protestant_n in_o part_n and_o in_o some_o sort_n yea_o they_o name_v some_o who_o they_o confess_v to_o have_v reprehend_v only_o certain_a abuse_n among_o the_o papist_n as_o melancthon_n in_o his_o answer_n to_o the_o bavarian_a article_n tom_n 3._o fol._n 369._o and_o illyricus_n in_o his_o catalogue_n lib._n 15._o confess_v of_o hilten_n it_o remain_v yet_o for_o the_o accomplish_n of_o this_o demonstration_n that_o we_o also_o show_v by_o the_o confession_n of_o protestant_n that_o the_o true_a church_n of_o god_n can_v never_o want_v pastor_n as_o they_o have_v confess_v they_o to_o have_v want_v for_o the_o space_n of_o some_o age_n that_o the_o true_a church_n can_v be_v without_o pastor_n chap._n viii_o 1._o that_o the_o church_n can_v never_o be_v without_o pastor_n i_o prove_v first_o out_o of_o the_o confession_n of_o the_o protestant_a faith_n for_o thus_o profess_v they_o to_o believe_v in_o the_o confession_n of_o saxony_n cap._n 12_o the_o son_n of_o god_n have_v give_v minister_n of_o the_o gospel_n unto_o the_o church_n to_o the_o end_n it_o do_v not_o quite_o perish_v again_o he_o will_v have_v always_o a_o company_n in_o mankind_n in_o which_o the_o son_n himself_o appoint_v and_o conserve_v the_o ministry_n of_o keep_v and_o spread_v his_o doctrine_n the_o confession_n of_o suitzer_n cap._n 18_o god_n have_v always_o use_v minister_n for_o to_o settle_v and_o gather_v he_o a_o church_n and_o also_o for_o to_o govern_v and_o preserve_v it_o and_o use_v the_o same_o now_o and_o further_o will_v use_v they_o while_o the_o church_n shall_v be_v on_o earth_n the_o french_a confession_n art_n 25_o we_o believe_v the_o church_n can_v consist_v if_o it_o have_v not_o pastor_n who_o have_v the_o office_n of_o teach_v the_o confession_n of_o the_o low_a country_n art_n 30_o we_o believe_v that_o the_o true_a church_n ought_v to_o be_v govern_v and_o rule_v by_o that_o spiritual_a policy_n which_o god_n have_v teach_v in_o his_o word_n so_o that_o there_o be_v pastor_n and_o minister_n in_o it_o and_o the_o confession_n of_o strasburg_n see_v the_o church_n be_v the_o kingdom_n of_o god_n it_o have_v diverse_a function_n of_o minister_n 2._o second_o i_o prove_v it_o because_o for_o the_o church_n to_o be_v without_o pastor_n be_v to_o want_v some_o part_n of_o the_o essence_n and_o definition_n give_v by_o the_o protestant_n themselves_o for_o luther_n proposition_n 15._o to_o 1._o fol._n 385._o thus_o define_v a_o church_n it_o be_v a_o number_n of_o baptize_v person_n and_o believer_n under_o one_o pastor_n and_o tom_n 2._o fol._n 366._o he_o 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cap._n 15_o god_n institute_v order_n in_o the_o church_n for_o the_o essential_a outward_a constitution_n thereof_o d._n whitaker_n cont._n 2._o quest_n 5._o cap._n 6._o pag._n 508_o the_o church_n can_v subsist_v without_o pastor_n of_o who_o it_o be_v teach_v for_o doctrine_n do_v make_v and_o constitute_v the_o church_n and_o be_v her_o soul_n and_o life_n and_o cap._n 18._o pag._n 546_o the_o church_n be_v no_o other_o number_n then_o that_o which_o hold_v the_o pure_a preach_n of_o the_o word_n and_o right_a use_n of_o the_o sacrament_n and_o cap._n 17._o dag_n 541_o sincere_a preach_v of_o the_o word_n and_o lawful_a administration_n of_o the_o sacrament_n do_v make_v the_o church_n in_o so_o much_o as_o whersoever_o they_o be_v there_o the_o church_n be_v and_o where_o they_o be_v not_o the_o church_n be_v not_o d._n field_n in_o his_o 2._o book_n of_o the_o church_n cap._n 6_o the_o ministry_n of_o pastor_n and_o teacher_n be_v absolute_o and_o essential_o necessary_a to_o 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donatist_n zanchius_n of_o the_o church_n pag._n 138_o i_o admit_v that_o succession_n of_o true_a bishop_n be_v a_o mark_n of_o the_o church_n and_o of_o this_o speak_v the_o father_n the_o like_a confess_v caluin_n respon_n ad_fw-la versipellem_fw-la pag._n 358._o and_o 4._o institut_fw-la cap._n 2._o §_o 3._o beza_n epist_n 1._o plessy_n de_fw-fr eccles_n cap._n 3._o fulke_o the_o success_n pag._n 36._o d._n morton_n apol._n part_n 1._o lib._n 1._o cap._n 13._o james_n andrews_n count_v hosium_n pag._n 89._o and_o other_o neither_o be_v it_o true_a which_o d._n whitaker_n and_o sadeel_n say_v that_o the_o father_n do_v not_o think_v that_o they_o convince_v the_o heretic_n not_o to_o be_v the_o church_n because_o they_o want_v succesion_n of_o pastor_n for_o s._n irenaeus_n say_v that_o hereby_o he_o confound_v heretic_n and_o that_o this_o be_v a_o most_o full_a demostration_n s._n augustine_n write_v that_o this_o argument_n of_o succession_n hold_v he_o in_o the_o church_n s._n athanasius_n call_v it_o a_o notable_a and_o admirable_a argument_n and_o sadeel_n himself_o loc_n cit_fw-la say_v that_o with_o this_o batter_a ram_n s._n cyprian_n do_v especial_o vanquish_v the_o novatians_n and_o peter_n martyr_n in_o his_o common_a place_n tit_n de_fw-fr schismate_fw-la write_v that_o s._n augustine_n argument_n take_v from_o the_o succession_n of_o pastor_n be_v very_o evident_a against_o the_o donatist_n pastor_n protestant_n confess_v necessity_n of_o pastor_n 4._o three_o i_o prove_v that_o the_o church_n can_v be_v without_o pastor_n because_o eftsoon_o the_o protestant_n confess_v it_o luther_n upon_o 10._o chap._n of_o genesis_n tom_n 6._o fol._n 125_o the_o church_n can_v consist_v without_o continual_a use_n of_o the_o word_n and_o of_o the_o note_n of_o the_o church_n tom_fw-mi 7._o fol._n 151_o the_o church_n can_v be_v without_o pastor_n melancthon_n upon_o the._n 3._o cap._n of_o math._n tom_n 1._o fol._n 258_o god_n will_v always_o have_v some_o public_a ministry_n he_o will_v not_o suffer_v the_o public_a ministry_n to_o be_v destroy_v and_o in_o cap._n 16._o pag._n 489_o there_o be_v no_o church_n where_o there_o be_v no_o true_a ministry_n and_o ibide_v in_o his_o sermon_n upon_o the_o rock_n pag._n 176_o the_o church_n be_v build_v upon_o the_o ministry_n and_o tom_n 1._o in_o loc_n cap._n de_fw-fr eccles_n fol._n 227_o we_o must_v not_o seigne_n a_o church_n without_o the_o ministry_n and_o cap._n de_fw-la numero_fw-la sacramentorum_fw-la fol._n 334_o the_o ministry_n can_v be_v quite_o destroy_v and_o in_o his_o dispute_n of_o ecclesiast_fw-la policy_n tom_n 1._o lutheri_fw-la fol._n 442_o the_o church_n can_v exist_v this_o ministry_n be_v extinguish_v kemnice_n in_o his_o common_a place_n tit_n of_o the_o church_n cap._n 4_o there_o be_v promise_n extant_a of_o the_o perpetual_a conservation_n of_o the_o ministry_n in_o the_o church_n gerlachius_n disput_fw-la 22._o pag._n 940_o the_o public_a ministry_n be_v always_o conserve_v james_n andrews_n against_o hosius_n pag._n 330_o no_o man_n deni_v that_o the_o church_n can_v be_v without_o bishop_n oecolampadius_n upon_o the_o 62._o cap._n of_o isaias_n pag._n 30â—_n god_n raise_v up_o at_o all_o time_n apostle_n and_o preacher_n bolanus_n in_o his_o synâ—agme_n lib._n 7._o cap._n 11_o the_o function_n of_o ordinary_a minister_n after_o the_o ecclesiastical_a order_n be_v one_o settle_v be_v perpetual_a and_o to_o endure_v to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o world_n caluin_n 4._o institut_fw-la cap._n 2._o §_o 4_o for_o neither_o the_o light_n and_o heat_n of_o the_o sun_n nor_o meat_n and_o drink_n be_v so_o necessary_a to_o cherish_v and_o sustain_v the_o present_a life_n as_o the_o pastoral_n function_n be_v for_o to_o conserve_v the_o church_n on_o earth_n and_o §_o 3_o god_n have_v settle_v forever_o the_o way_n of_o govern_v and_o hold_v his_o church_n by_o minister_n and_o §_o 4_o the_o church_n can_v never_o want_v pastor_n and_o teacher_n beza_n de_fw-fr notis_n eccles_n pag._n 60_o the_o church_n can_v never_o want_v either_o the_o seed_n of_o the_o word_n or_o sow_v or_o sower_n vorstius_n in_o antibellarm_n pag._n 197_o the_o ghospeller_n acknowledge_v the_o 3._o other_o order_n to_o be_v perpetual_a in_o the_o church_n to_o wit_n pastor_n priest_n and_o deacon_n d._n whitaker_n count_v 2._o quest_n 3_o cap._n 2._o pag._n 469_o i_o answer_v that_o there_o be_v always_o pastor_n and_o sheep_n and_o that_o there_o shall_v be_v ever_o pastor_n to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o world_n and_o quest_n 5._o cap._n 6._o pag._n 508_o i_o confess_v the_o succession_n of_o pastor_n to_o be_v necessary_a again_o i_o answer_v that_o the_o church_n can_v stand_v without_o pastor_n d._n fulke_o de_fw-fr success_n pag._n 22_o i_o grant_v that_o the_o succession_n of_o pastor_n be_v necessary_a in_o the_o church_n and_o pag._n 95_o the_o true_a doctrine_n of_o christ_n and_o the_o apostle_n never_o want_v crier_n d._n white_a in_o defence_n of_o his_o way_n cap._n 35._o pag._n 381_o the_o church_n shall_v never_o want_v pastor_n and_o his_o majesty_n in_o his_o monitory_a epistle_n pag._n 61_o neither_o can_v hell_n stand_v without_o some_o order_n and_o distinction_n the_o devil_n be_v divide_v into_o legion_n and_o have_v their_o prince_n how_o then_o can_v any_o compaâ—â—on_a earth_n stand_v which_o be_v confuse_v and_o disorder_v without_o all_o difference_n of_o order_n or_o dignity_n you_o see_v how_o confuse_a a_o thing_n protestant_n account_n the_o church_n to_o be_v without_o pastor_n and_o that_o they_o speak_v far_o otherwise_o of_o the_o church_n when_o they_o consider_v the_o true_a nature_n thereof_o then_o when_o they_o look_v upon_o the_o condition_n of_o their_o own_o church_n in_o former_a time_n before_o luther_n neither_o do_v they_o only_o sometime_o confess_v that_o the_o church_n can_v be_v without_o pastor_n but_o also_o acknowledge_v that_o scripture_n â—oâ—h_n teach_v so_o for_o thuâ—_n melancthon_n in_o his_o foresay_a dispute_n fol._n 483_o pastor_n scripture_n require_v pastor_n where_o the_o church_n be_v there_o must_v needs_o be_v lawful_a ordination_n of_o minister_n which_o ordination_n be_v one_o of_o the_o proper_a gift_n of_o the_o church_n according_a to_o that_o of_o the_o 4._o chap._n to_o the_o ephesian_n he_o have_v give_v pastor_n etc._n etc._n kemnice_n in_o the_o 2._o part_n of_o his_o examen_fw-la tit_n de_fw-fr sacramento_n ordinis_fw-la pag._n 192_o the_o son_n of_o god_n himself_o will_v conserve_v in_o the_o church_n with_o perpetual_a call_v the_o ministry_n of_o those_o who_o teach_v the_o gospel_n so_o say_v paul_n ephes_n 4._o caluin_n 4_o institut_fw-la cap._n 3._o §_o 2_o in_o these_o word_n ephes_n 4_o he_o show_v the_o ministry_n to_o be_v the_o chief_a sinew_n wherewith_o the_o faithful_a hang_v together_o in_o one_o body_n and_o insinuate_v also_o that_o the_o church_n can_v otherwise_o be_v safe_a unless_o it_o be_v prop_v with_o these_o help_n in_o which_o god_n will_v place_v her_o safety_n the_o like_a he_o have_v in_o cap._n 4._o ephes_n and_o 1._o cor._n cap._n 6._o and_o 12._o and_o 1._o tim._n cap._n 3._o d_o whitaker_n cont._n 2._o quest_n 5._o cap._n 19_o pag._n 549_o this_o place_n of_o esay_n cap._n 59_o my_o spirit_n etc._n etc._n show_v that_o the_o true_a preach_v of_o the_o word_n shall_v be_v perpetual_a in_o the_o church_n d._n whitgift_n in_o his_o answer_n to_o the_o admonition_n pag._n 17_o the_o place_n of_o matthew_n 9_o show_v that_o minister_n be_v necessary_a in_o the_o church_n d._n fulk_n ad_fw-la cavillat_n stapl_n you_o do_v that_o which_o be_v do_v already_o while_o you_o prove_v out_o of_o the_o apostle_n writing_n that_o the_o continuance_n of_o the_o pastor_n and_o doctor_n be_v of_o no_o less_o certainty_n than_o the_o continuance_n of_o faith_n and_o doctrine_n and_o the_o success_n pag._n 180_o the_o scripture_n promise_v perpetual_a succession_n of_o pastor_n and_o doctor_n faith_n preach_v necessary_a to_o faith_n 5._o four_o i_o prove_v this_o same_o because_o protestant_n sometime_o do_v teach_v that_o preach_v which_o can_v be_v do_v without_o pastor_n be_v necessary_a to_o engraft_v faith_n in_o man_n for_o as_o before_o we_o rehearse_v they_o condemn_v the_o anabaptist_n and_o suenckfeldians_n in_o that_o they_o teach_v that_o man_n can_v come_v to_o faith_n without_o preach_v and_o luther_n tom_n 1._o fol._n 54._o write_v that_o the_o administration_n of_o the_o word_n by_o a_o priest_n be_v needful_a for_o faith_n and_o cont._n caterin_n tom_n 2._o fol._n 140._o say_v that_o by_o the_o vocal_a word_n the_o church_n be_v conceive_v form_v nourish_v beget_v and_o conserve_v and_o de_fw-fr instituendis_fw-la ministris_fw-la fol._n 372_o see_v the_o church_n be_v bring_v forth_o nourish_v and_o conserve_v by_o the_o word_n of_o god_n it_o be_v manifest_a that_o she_o can_v be_v without_o the_o word_n or_o if_o it_o be_v without_o
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confess_v that_o they_o know_v not_o those_o protestant_n who_o they_o say_v to_o have_v be_v in_o popery_n luther_n in_o psalm_n 45._o tom_n 3._o fol._n 447_o under_o popery_n there_o be_v always_o and_o yet_o be_v some_o believer_n who_o we_o know_v not_o not_o know_v not_o d._n whitaker_n cont._n 2._o quest_n 3._o cap._n 3._o pag._n 476_o we_o say_v there_o be_v in_o time_n past_o many_o thousand_o of_o man_n in_o popery_n who_o profess_v our_o faith_n and_o adore_v not_o the_o beast_n who_o albeit_o we_o can_v name_v name_v can_v not_o name_v yet_o god_n know_v beside_o some_o of_o they_o say_v that_o there_o be_v no_o face_n or_o show_v of_o their_o church_n in_o popery_n d._n whitaker_n loc_fw-la cit_fw-la p._n 477_o we_o say_v that_o there_o be_v so_o few_o good_a in_o popery_n as_o they_o appear_v not_o not_o appear_v not_o and_o cont._n 4._o quest_n 5._o cap._n 3._o pag._n 682_o we_o sure_o say_v that_o in_o time_n past_o the_o church_n lie_v hide_v in_o popery_n and_o 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doubtless_o be_v no_o church_n unless_o you_o except_o infant_n and_o simple_a folk_n and_o fol._n 155_o who_o in_o all_o the_o world_n have_v not_o the_o pope_n subdue_v one_o infant_n &_o silly_a one_o except_o perhaps_o infant_n and_o silly_a person_n save_v by_o a_o unknown_a counsel_n m._n bale_n cont._n 1._o cap._n 74._o write_v that_o their_o church_n since_o phocas_n the_o emperor_n time_n be_v in_o lurk_a hole_n and_o among_o idiot_n gerlachius_n disput_fw-la 22._o idiot_n idiot_n say_v that_o infant_n be_v no_o small_a part_n of_o their_o church_n osiander_n loc_fw-la cit_fw-la pag._n 65._o that_o they_o be_v a_o great_a part_n and_o as_o lobechius_n add_v disput_fw-la 10._o pag._n 202_o the_o noble_a part_n a_o worthy_a church_n undoubted_o which_o for_o many_o age_n consist_v of_o infant_n idiot_n and_o such_o silly_a person_n and_o they_o more_o silly_a who_o give_v credit_n to_o so_o silly_a a_o affirmation_n of_o protestant_n without_o all_o proof_n and_o they_o most_o silly_a of_o all_o who_o relinquish_a the_o catholic_a church_n adjoine_v themselves_o to_o such_o a_o childish_a and_o silly_a church_n so_o silly_o affirm_v and_o without_o proof_n seaventhly_a protestant_n themselves_n do_v plain_o profess_v that_o the_o entire_a substance_n and_o essence_n of_o their_o church_n be_v not_o in_o popery_n but_o only_o some_o part_n thereof_o and_o we_o as_o have_v be_v often_o say_v speak_v not_o of_o a_o church_n in_o part_n or_o in_o some_o sort_n but_o of_o a_o church_n which_o have_v all_o the_o essential_a and_o substantial_a part_n popery_n the_o whole_a essence_n of_o a_o protestant_n church_n not_o in_o popery_n and_o may_v be_v simple_o and_o absolute_o term_v a_o church_n caluin_n 4._o institut_fw-la cap._n 2._o after_o he_o have_v say_v §_o 1._o that_o it_o be_v certain_a there_o be_v no_o church_n where_o lie_n and_o falsity_n have_v get_v the_o upper_a hand_n he_o straight_o say_v §_o 2_o see_v matter_n go_v so_o under_o popery_n we_o may_v gather_v how_o much_o of_o the_o church_n remain_v there_o and_o add_v that_o under_o popery_n that_o doctrine_n without_o which_o christianity_n stand_v not_o be_v all_o bury_v and_o thrust_v out_o and_o respon_n ad_fw-la sadolet_n pag._n 128._o write_v that_o in_o popery_n there_o appear_v scarce_o any_o scatter_a and_o tear_v remnant_n of_o the_o church_n rubbish_n scarce_o any_o remnant_n only_o rubbish_n peter_n martyr_n in_o locis_fw-la tit_n de_fw-fr discessu_fw-la a_o rom._n eccl._n col_fw-fr 1493_o now_o there_o be_v leave_v among_o papist_n only_o some_o rubbish_n and_o parcel_n of_o old_a wall_n together_o etc._n etc._n sonis_fw-la resp_n ad_fw-la spondeum_fw-la cap._n 2._o pag._n 32_o antichrist_n have_v leave_v nothing_o in_o all_o the_o building_n but_o some_o old_a wall_n wall_n but_o old_a wall_n sadeel_n praefat._n lib._n de_fw-fr verbo_fw-la scripto_fw-la the_o roman_a church_n be_v so_o deprave_a and_o corrupt_a that_o while_o we_o seek_v the_o church_n in_o the_o church_n we_o be_v force_v to_o behold_v only_a ash_n of_o the_o church_n ash_n only_o ash_n the_o apology_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n part_n 4._o cap._n 9_o divis_fw-la 3_o these_o man_n now_o have_v leave_v nothing_o remain_v in_o the_o church_n of_o god_n that_o have_v any_o likeness_n of_o his_o church_n ruin_n nought_o but_o ruin_n and_o part_n 6._o cap._n 17._o divis_fw-la 1_o when_o we_o see_v that_o nothing_o remain_v in_o the_o temple_n of_o god_n but_o pitiful_a spoil_n and_o decay_n we_o &c._n &c._n final_o luther_n in_o psalm_n 22._o tom_n 3._o fol._n 132._o trace_n no_o trace_n say_v that_o in_o popery_n there_o be_v no_o trace_n of_o the_o church_n and_o in_o psalm_n 17._o fol._n 285_o they_o have_v bring_v matter_n to_o such_o pass_n only_o name_v only_o that_o where_o the_o church_n of_o god_n be_v heretofore_o there_o be_v nought_o but_o heathenish_a superstition_n and_o the_o name_n only_o of_o the_o church_n remain_v the_o substance_n be_v quite_o lose_v the_o same_o also_o mean_v those_o who_o say_v that_o in_o popery_n be_v some_o small_a footstep_n some_o relic_n and_o parcel_n of_o the_o church_n albeit_o they_o have_v not_o this_o exclusive_a term_n only_o but_o if_o in_o popery_n the_o doctrine_n without_o which_o christianity_n can_v stand_v be_v whole_o bury_v and_o shut_v out_o if_o therein_o scarce_o appear_v tear_v parcel_n of_o the_o church_n only_a ash_n thereof_o be_v see_v if_o nothing_o remain_v but_o old_a wall_n rubbish_n and_o ruin_n nothing_o entire_a and_o like_a to_o a_o church_n and_o the_o name_n only_o remain_v the_o substance_n be_v quit_v lose_v doubtless_o there_o be_v no_o absolute_a and_o true_a protestant_a church_n in_o popery_n but_o only_o in_o part_n and_o in_o some_o sort_n which_o daneus_n plain_o intimate_v when_o he_o say_v cont._n 4._o lib._n 3._o cap._n 13._o pag._n 387_o some_o footstep_n of_o the_o church_n remain_v yet_o in_o that_o popish_a company_n as_o if_o the_o ruin_n of_o a_o house_n cast_v down_o and_o the_o bare_a wall_n be_v call_v a_o house_n equivocal_o or_o as_o caluin_n speak_v respon_n ad_fw-la versipellem_fw-la pag._n 357_o in_o some_o part_n the_o protestant_a church_n be_v heretofore_o in_o popery_n 5._o that_o i_o may_v therefore_o gather_v together_o all_o that_o protestant_n say_v of_o their_o church_n in_o popery_n before_o luther_n time_n concern_v the_o person_n whereof_o it_o consist_v they_o be_v infant_n idiot_n silly_a one_o and_o perhaps_o not_o they_o neither_o concern_v the_o substance_n it_o be_v only_a ruin_n rubbish_n old_a wall_n ash_n and_o name_n only_o of_o the_o church_n concern_v the_o number_n it_o be_v 18._o be_v luther_n in_o psalm_n grâ—â—t_fw-la f._n 368_o de_fw-la missa_fw-la loc_fw-la 7._o fol._n 236._o gerla_n disput_fw-la 22._o acontius_n l._n 1._o strat._n p._n 25._o sadeâ—l_v ad_fw-la
any_o reply_n that_o those_o papist_n in_o who_o the_o protestant_a church_n of_o old_a time_n do_v consist_v do_v not_o believe_v all_o fundamental_a point_n of_o popery_n nor_o be_v absolute_o papist_n but_o only_o in_o part_n and_o in_o some_o sort_n first_o he_o mock_v the_o reader_n in_o say_v absolute_o that_o the_o protestant_a church_n be_v in_o popery_n because_o popery_n absolute_o take_v do_v signify_v absolute_a papist_n or_o papistry_n beside_o he_o feign_v and_o devise_v those_o papist_n in_o part_n &_o in_o some_o sort_n and_o can_v prove_v by_o any_o sufficient_a testimony_n that_o there_o be_v any_o such_o whereas_o according_a to_o s._n augustin_n he_o must_v prove_v not_o speak_v at_o random_n nor_o can_v he_o say_v 18._o 2._o cont._n petil._n c._n 18._o that_o the_o protestant_a church_n consist_v of_o such_o who_o though_o they_o believe_v little_a or_o no_o papistry_n at_o all_o yet_o outward_o profess_v it_o for_o if_o outward_o they_o profess_v only_a papistry_n how_o know_v you_o that_o inward_o they_o believe_v protestancy_n will_v you_o as_o s._n augustin_n say_v to_o the_o donatist_n â—_o lib._n 2._o de_fw-fr baptis_n c._n â—_o judge_v of_o man_n heart_n and_o not_o of_o their_o open_a deed_n beside_o such_o papist_n be_v feign_v and_o not_o at_o all_o prove_v and_o if_o there_o have_v be_v any_o such_o they_o shall_v have_v be_v term_v denyer_n not_o protester_n last_o such_o man_n can_v not_o have_v be_v the_o visible_a church_n of_o protestant_n because_o they_o deny_v their_o faith_n and_o profess_a antichristianity_n and_o consequent_o be_v no_o holy_a man_n of_o who_o only_o their_o invisible_a church_n consist_v 8._o ten_o i_o argue_v by_o inquire_v the_o manner_n how_o the_o protestant_a church_n in_o former_a time_n be_v in_o popery_n to_o wit_n whether_o it_o profess_v the_o substance_n of_o the_o protestant_a faith_n or_o no_o and_o whether_o it_o communicate_v with_o papist_n in_o their_o popish_a worship_n or_o not_o protestant_n like_o man_n uncertain_a answer_n diverse_o to_o this_o question_n d._n whitaker_n cont._n 2._o quest_n 3._o cap._n 3._o pag._n 474._o say_v our_o church_n be_v always_o in_o the_o midst_n of_o papist_n church_n distinct_a from_o papist_n in_o communion_n and_o profession_n but_o this_o be_v soon_o refute_v first_o because_o it_o can_v be_v prove_v 38._o cont._n parmen_fw-la ca._n 38._o and_o to_o cast_v out_o word_n and_o prove_v naught_o what_o be_v it_o as_o s._n augustin_n say_v but_o to_o dote_v beside_o if_o the_o protestant_a church_n have_v profess_v protestancy_n she_o have_v be_v know_v to_o papist_n and_o the_o same_o have_v also_o be_v if_o she_o have_v not_o communicate_v with_o they_o for_o as_o d._n andrews_n write_v of_o the_o catholic_n in_o england_n they_o come_v not_o to_o service_n they_o hear_v not_o sermon_n they_o refuse_v to_o take_v the_o communion_n without_o this_o or_o any_o other_o oath_n one_o may_v know_v they_o to_o be_v papist_n but_o she_o be_v not_o know_v to_o papist_n because_o not_o only_o all_o papist_n but_o also_o protestant_n deny_v that_o beside_o otherwise_o catholik_o will_v not_o have_v so_o earnest_o inquire_v of_o protestant_n where_o their_o church_n have_v be_v heretofore_o moreover_o catholic_n have_v persecute_v they_o as_o they_o persecute_v luther_n so_o soon_o as_o he_o be_v know_v for_o a_o protestant_n last_o because_o protestant_n can_v name_v any_o papist_n who_o know_v of_o their_o church_n before_o luther_n tyme._n other_o therefore_o say_v that_o those_o imaginary_a protestant_n profess_v their_o faith_n if_o not_o at_o other_o time_n yet_o at_o least_o at_o the_o point_n of_o death_n d._n whitaker_n loc_fw-la cit_fw-la pag._n 473_o many_o at_o the_o point_n of_o death_n if_o not_o before_o process_v their_o faith_n the_o same_o say_v luther_n of_o private_a mass_n tom_n 7._o fol._n 237._o and_o lobechi_n be_v disput_n 10._o to_o which_o d._n white_a in_o defence_n of_o his_o way_n cap._n 4._o pag._n 424._o add_v that_o they_o renounce_v papistry_n also_o in_o the_o agony_n of_o their_o conscience_n and_o hunnius_n before_o cite_v not_o know_v what_o certain_o to_o determine_v say_v that_o they_o do_v either_o open_o gird_v at_o papistry_n or_o secret_o with_o themselves_o detest_v it_o or_o at_o least_o in_o the_o last_o examen_fw-la of_o tentation_n the_o stubble_n of_o error_n be_v fire_v do_v hold_v the_o foundation_n of_o salvation_n but_o to_o speak_v with_o s._n augustin_n who_o say_v this_o but_o he_o that_o say_v what_o he_o will_v 4._o lib._n 5._o cont_n jul._n c._n 4._o and_o will_v not_o hear_v what_o be_v true_a they_o say_v that_o in_o the_o scripture_n alone_o that_o say_n of_o pythagoras_n scholar_n he_o say_v it_o take_v place_n 3._o bull_v in_o compend_v fidei_fw-la â—_o 1._o c._n 3._o but_o if_o they_o use_v not_o this_o pythagorical_a privilege_n they_o will_v be_v more_o dumb_a than_o fish_n what_o man_n or_o devil_n tell_v they_o this_o profession_n of_o their_o man_n at_o the_o hour_n of_o death_n how_o learn_v they_o that_o which_o at_o that_o time_n no_o man_n can_v fish_v out_o again_o if_o only_o at_o the_o hour_n of_o death_n they_o profess_v protestancy_n they_o be_v protestant_n no_o long_o than_o they_o lay_v a_o die_n and_o consequent_o the_o protestant_n church_n endure_v no_o long_o than_o some_o of_o her_o child_n be_v die_v a_o strange_a church_n certes_o that_o live_v no_o long_o than_o her_o child_n die_v nor_o at_o any_o time_n draw_v breath_n but_o while_o they_o give_v up_o the_o ghost_n wherefore_o they_o find_v out_o other_o devise_n to_o say_v that_o those_o feign_a protestant_n communicate_v with_o papist_n and_o profess_v their_o faith_n in_o thing_n lawful_a as_o in_o baptism_n read_v of_o the_o scripture_n and_o such_o like_a but_o not_o in_o thing_n unlawful_a thus_o reineccius_n in_o the_o 4._o tome_fw-mi of_o his_o armour_n cap._n 4._o thou_o see_v reader_n that_o as_o these_o protestant_n have_v their_o be_v only_o by_o these_o man_n imagination_n so_o they_o do_v or_o do_v not_o what_o or_o in_o what_o manner_n they_o will_v have_v they_o o_o great_a fabulosity_n that_o i_o may_v cry_v out_o which_o s._n epiphanius_n of_o they_o who_o utter_v these_o thing_n so_o manifest_v it_o be_v that_o this_o be_v a_o shop_n rather_o of_o juggler_n then_o of_o those_o who_o have_v the_o shape_n of_o the_o promise_n of_o life_n and_o of_o understanding_n for_o who_o beside_o his_o own_o imagination_n tell_v reineccius_n that_o those_o protestant_n divide_v thus_o their_o communion_n with_o papist_n who_o beside_o himself_o hear_v ever_o of_o such_o a_o halfe-communion_n 9_o wherefore_o other_o of_o they_o do_v absolute_o say_v that_o their_o imaginary_a protestant_a church_n in_o popery_n communicate_v with_o papist_n be_v how_o impious_a their_o church_n in_o popery_n be_v and_o profess_v their_o faith_n for_o thus_o write_v luther_n in_o psalm_n grad_n tom_fw-mi 3._o fol._n 568_o the_o church_n under_o antichrist_n have_v no_o true_a ministry_n or_o worship_n but_o be_v force_v to_o keep_v the_o very_a babylonicall_a and_o heathenish_a rite_n of_o papist_n the_o same_o he_o intimate_v tom_n 7._o lib._n de_fw-fr missa_fw-la privata_fw-la fol._n 236._o &_o 237._o and_o lib_n count_v papatum_fw-la fol._n 456._o osiander_n also_o in_o the_o epist_n dedicatory_a of_o his_o 8._o century_n say_v of_o those_o protestant_n that_o although_o from_o their_o heart_n they_o disallow_v the_o popish_a error_n yet_o they_o dare_v not_o profess_v their_o own_o opinion_n but_o neglect_v not_o the_o external_a rite_n and_o be_v carry_v away_o with_o the_o common_a custom_n as_o it_o be_v with_o a_o torrent_n for_o to_o do_v those_o thing_n which_o other_o do_v who_o weakness_n say_v he_o god_n do_v bear_v withal_o and_o pardon_v and_o the_o same_o pardon_n luther_n de_fw-fr missa_fw-la privata_fw-la fol._n 237._o bestow_v upon_o they_o say_v no_o sin_n can_v hurt_v they_o but_o god_n must_v pardon_v the_o miserable_a afflict_a oppress_a and_o captive_a church_n thus_o these_o man_n have_v god_n pardon_v in_o their_o hand_n that_o when_o they_o please_v god_n must_v pardon_v those_o who_o all_o their_o life_n time_n deny_v their_o faith_n and_o serve_v antichrist_n and_o idolatry_n junius_n also_o lib._n 4._o de_fw-fr eccl._n cap._n 5._o say_v that_o the_o church_n in_o former_a time_n be_v all_o one_o with_o the_o roman_a again_o she_o communicate_v with_o the_o roman_a church_n in_o worship_n of_o god_n every_o where_o so_o long_o as_o she_o be_v suffer_v to_o communicate_v in_o pure_a worship_n in_o right_a faith_n and_o good_a conscience_n forsooth_o the_o synagogue_n of_o antichrist_n as_o they_o account_v the_o roman_a church_n use_v pure_a worship_n or_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n communicate_v with_o she_o in_o right_a faith_n and_o good_a conscience_n and_o d._n whitaker_n cont._n