Selected quad for the lemma: church_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
church_n	form_n	prayer_n	set_a	6,981	5	11.4340	5	true

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A76182	The judgment of Mr. Baxter concerning ceremonies and conformity in the points of difference betwixt the Church of England and the dissenters novv published in vindication of the moderate and learned part of the Presbyterians, to let the vvorld see that they are not so irreconcilable to the discipline of the Church of England, as some people vvould have us believe.	Baxter, Richard, 1615-1691.	1689 (1689)	Wing B1291; ESTC R42756	4,021	4

the_o judgement_n of_o mr._n baxter_n concern_v ceremony_n and_o conformity_n in_o the_o point_n in_o difference_n betwixt_o the_o church_n of_o england_n and_o the_o dissenter_n now_o publish_v in_o vindication_n of_o the_o moderate_a and_o learned_a part_n of_o the_o presbyterian_o to_o let_v the_o world_n see_v that_o they_o be_v not_o so_o irreconcilable_a to_o the_o discipline_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n as_o some_o people_n will_v have_v we_o believe_v license_v and_o enter_v according_a to_o order_n the_o judgement_n of_o mr._n baxter_n concern_v ceremony_n and_o conformity_n disp_n 4_o p._n 361._o those_o modes_n or_o circumstance_n of_o worship_n which_o be_v necessary_a in_o genere_fw-la but_o leave_v undetermined_a by_o god_n in_o specie_fw-la be_v leave_v by_o god_n to_o human_a prudential_a determination_n else_o a_o impossibility_n will_v be_v necessary_a but_o many_o such_o there_o be_v that_o be_v necessary_a in_o genere_fw-la but_o leave_v undetermined_a of_o god_n in_o specie_fw-la therefore_o many_o such_o be_v leave_v to_o human_a prudential_a determination_n disp_n 5._o p._n 400._o sect._n 5._o yet_o it_o be_v in_o the_o power_n of_o man_n to_o determine_v of_o such_o mode_n and_o circumstance_n as_o be_v necessary_a to_o the_o performance_n of_o that_o worship_n which_o god_n have_v institute_v in_o his_o word_n and_o therefore_o lawful_a governor_n may_v in_o such_o case_n bound_v we_o by_o their_o command_n p._n 400.1_o it_o be_v leave_v to_o human_a determination_n what_o place_n the_o public_a assembly_n shall_v be_v hold_v in_o p._n 401.2_o it_o be_v leave_v to_o man_n to_o determine_v of_o the_o time_n of_o holy_a duty_n except_o only_o where_o god_n have_v determine_v to_o the_o contrary_n ibid._n 3_o it_o be_v leave_v to_o the_o determination_n of_o human_a prudence_n what_o utensil_n to_o employ_v about_o the_o public_a worship_n of_o god._n here_o therefore_o we_o must_v conclude_v p._n 423.1_o that_o every_o misorder_a of_o such_o great_a affair_n be_v the_o sin_n of_o they_o that_o do_v it_o 2._o but_o yet_o that_o the_o subject_n be_v not_o exempt_v from_o obedience_n by_o every_o such_o mistake_n of_o the_o governor_n but_o by_o some_o he_o be_v ibid._n sect._n 67._o if_o the_o mischuse_n some_o circumstance_n by_o church_n governor_n be_v but_o a_o inconvenience_n and_o do_v destroy_v the_o ordinance_n itself_o or_o frustrate_v the_o end_n of_o it_o we_o be_v to_o obey_v 1._o he_o be_v the_o judge_n of_o his_o own_o work_n not_o we_o 2._o the_o thing_n be_v not_o sinful_a though_o inconvenient_a 3._o obedience_n be_v command_v to_o our_o lawful_a governor_n p._n 424._o we_o must_v obey_v in_o all_o thing_n lawful_a and_o when_o we_o do_v obey_v in_o case_n of_o miscommand_v it_o be_v not_o a_o do_v of_o evil_a that_o good_a may_v come_v of_o it_o as_o some_o do_v misconceive_v but_o it_o be_v only_o a_o submit_v to_o that_o which_o be_v ill_o command_v but_o no_o evil_a in_o he_o that_o do_v submit_v it_o be_v the_o determiner_n that_o be_v the_o cause_n of_o the_o inconvenience_n and_o not_o the_o obeyer_n nor_o be_v it_o inconvenient_a for_o to_o obey_v though_o it_o be_v worse_o perhaps_o to_o he_o that_o command_v while_o he_o sin_v in_o command_v he_o may_v make_v it_o my_o duty_n to_o obey_v p._n 396_o sect._n 6._o do_v 4._o we_o must_v distinguish_v between_o ceremony_n impose_v by_o a_o lawful_a magistrate_n or_o church-governor_n and_o such_o as_o be_v impose_v by_o usurper_n or_o man_n without_o authority_n p._n 398._o sect._n 25._o prop._n 12._o it_o may_v be_v very_o sinful_a to_o command_v some_o ceremony_n which_o may_v lawful_o yea_o must_v in_o duty_n be_v use_v by_o the_o subject_a when_o they_o be_v command_v sect._n 27._o prop_n 14._o yet_o certain_a thing_n which_o be_v common_o call_v ceremony_n may_v lawful_o be_v use_v in_o the_o church_n upon_o human_a imposition_n and_o when_o it_o be_v not_o against_o the_o law_n of_o god_n no_o person_n shall_v disobey_v the_o command_n of_o their_o lawful_a governor_n in_o such_o thing_n of_o set_a form_n and_o the_o book_n of_o common-prayer_n disp_n 4._o p._n 358_o prop_n 1._o a_o stint_a liturgy_n be_v in_o itself_o lawful_a a_o stint_a liturgy_n in_o some_o part_n of_o public_a holy_a service_n be_v ordinary_o necessary_a 3._o in_o the_o part_n where_o it_o be_v not_o of_o necessity_n it_o may_v not_o only_o be_v submit_v unto_o but_o desire_v when_o the_o peace_n of_o the_o church_n require_v p._n 359._o prop_n 7._o the_o safe_a way_n of_o compose_v such_o a_o public_a form_n be_v to_o take_v it_o all_o for_o matter_n and_o word_n out_o of_o the_o holy_a scripture_n 8._o yet_o be_v not_o this_o of_o such_o necessity_n but_o that_o we_o may_v join_v in_o it_o or_o use_v it_o if_o the_o form_n of_o word_n be_v not_o from_o scripture_n prop_n 1._o a_o stint_a liturgy_n be_v in_o itself_o lawful_a and_o it_o be_v thus_o prove_v arg._n 1_o that_o which_o be_v not_o direct_o nor_o consequential_o forbid_v by_o god_n remain_v lawful_a a_o stinted_a liturgy_n be_v not_o direct_o or_o consequential_o forbid_v of_o god_n therefore_o it_o remain_v lawful_a the_o major_n be_v undoubted_a because_o nothing_o but_o a_o prohibition_n can_v make_v a_o thing_n unlawful_a sin_n be_v the_o transgression_n of_o a_o law_n when_o there_o be_v no_o law_n there_o be_v no_o transgression_n and_o yet_o i_o have_v hear_v very_o reverend_a man_n answer_v this_o that_o it_o be_v enough_o that_o it_o be_v not_o command_v though_o not_o forbid_v which_o be_v plain_o to_o deny_v both_o scripture_n and_o civil_a principle_n p._n 361._o now_o for_o the_o minor_a that_o a_o stint_a liturgy_n be_v not_o forbid_v we_o need_v no_o other_o proof_n than_o that_o no_o prohibition_n can_v be_v produce_v p_o 364._o arg._n 6_o if_o it_o be_v lawful_a for_o the_o people_n to_o use_v a_o stint_a form_n of_o word_n in_o public_a prayer_n then_o be_v it_o in_o itself_o lawful_a for_o the_o pastor_n but_o it_o be_v lawful_a for_o the_o people_n for_o the_o pastor_n prayer_n which_o they_o must_v pray_v over_o with_o he_o and_o not_o only_o hear_v it_o be_v a_o stint_a form_n to_o they_o even_o as_o much_o as_o if_o he_o have_v learn_v it_o out_o of_o a_o book_n they_o be_v to_o follow_v he_o in_o his_o method_n and_o word_n as_o if_o it_o be_v a_o book-prayer_n arg._n 7._o it_o be_v lawful_a to_o use_v a_o form_n in_o preach_v therefore_o a_o stint_a liturgy_n be_v lawful_a 1._o because_o preach_v be_v a_o part_n of_o that_o liturgy_n 2._o because_o the_o reason_n be_v the_o same_o for_o prayer_n as_o for_o that_o in_o the_o main_a argument_n 8._o that_o which_o have_v be_v the_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n in_o scripture-time_n and_o down_o to_o this_o day_n and_o be_v yet_o the_o practice_n of_o almost_o all_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n on_o earth_n be_v not_o like_a to_o be_v unlawful_a but_o such_o be_v the_o use_n of_o some_o stint_a form_n of_o public_a service_n there_o before_o etc._n etc._n that_o it_o be_v so_o in_o the_o jew_n church_n and_o approve_v by_o christ_n i_o have_v show_v that_o it_o have_v be_v of_o ancient_a use_n in_o the_o church_n since_o christ_n as_o it_o be_v at_o this_o day_n in_o use_n in_o africa_n asia_n europe_n even_o among_o the_o reform_a church_n in_o france_n hòlland_n geneva_n and_o be_v so_o well_o know_v that_o i_o think_v i_o need_v not_o stand_v to_o prove_v it_o yea_o those_o few_o that_o seem_v to_o disuse_n it_o do_v yet_o use_v it_o in_o psalm_n and_o other_o part_n of_o worship_n p._n 421._o as_o for_o the_o common-prayer_n itself_o i_o never_o reject_v it_o because_o it_o be_v a_o form_n we_o think_v simple_o unlawful_a because_o it_o be_v such_o a_o form_n but_o have_v make_v use_n of_o it_o and_o will_v do_v again_o in_o the_o like_a case_n of_o ceremony_n the_o ceremony_n controvert_v among_o we_o be_v special_o the_o surplice_n the_o gesture_n of_o kneel_v in_o receive_v the_o lord_n supper_n the_o ring_n in_o marriage_n lay_v the_o hand_n upon_o a_o book_n in_o take_v a_o oath_n the_o organ_n and_o church-music_n holi-day_n altar_n rail_n and_o the_o cross_n in_o baptism_n of_o the_o surplice_n p._n 409_o some_o decent_a habit_n be_v necessary_a either_o the_o magistrate_n or_o the_o minister_n himself_o or_o the_o associate_v pastor_n must_v determine_v what_o i_o think_v neither_o magistrate_n nor_o synod_n shall_v do_v any_o more_o than_o hinder_v undecency_n but_o yet_o if_o they_o do_v more_o and_o tie_v all_o to_o one_o habit_n and_o suppose_v it_o be_v a_o undecent_a habit_n yet_o this_o be_v but_o a_o imprudent_a use_n of_o power_n it_o be_v a_o thing_n within_o the_o magistrate_n reach_v he_o do_v not_o a_o alien_n work_n but_o his_o own_o work_n

amiss_o therefore_o the_o thing_n in_o itself_o be_v lawful_a i_o will_v obey_v he_o and_o use_v that_o garment_n if_o i_o can_v not_o be_v dispense_v with_o yea_o though_o secondary_o whiteness_n be_v to_o signify_v purity_n and_o so_o it_o be_v make_v a_o teach_a sign_n yet_o will_v i_o obey_v of_o kneel_v at_o the_o sacrament_n p._n 411._o but_o yet_o as_o sinful_a as_o this_o gesture_n be_v impose_v for_o my_o part_n i_o do_v obey_v the_o imposer_n and_o will_v do_v if_o it_o be_v to_o be_v do_v again_o rather_o than_o disturb_v the_o peace_n of_o the_o church_n or_o be_v deprive_v of_o its_o communion_n for_o god_n have_v make_v some_o gesture_n necessary_a and_o confine_v i_o to_o none_o but_o leave_v it_o to_o human_a determination_n i_o shall_v submit_v to_o magistrate_n in_o their_o proper_a work_n even_o when_o they_o miss_v it_o in_o the_o manner_n i_o be_o not_o sure_a that_o christ_n intend_v the_o example_n of_o himself_o and_o his_o apostle_n as_o obligatory_a to_o we_o that_o shall_v succeed_v i_o be_o sure_a it_o prove_v sit_v lawful_a but_o i_o be_o not_o sure_a that_o it_o prove_v it_o necessary_a though_o very_o convenient_a but_o i_o be_o sure_a he_o have_v command_v i_o obedience_n and_o peace_n of_o the_o ring_n in_o marriage_n p._n 401._o as_o for_o the_o ring_n in_o marriage_n i_o see_v no_o reason_n to_o scruple_n the_o lawfulness_n of_o it_o for_o though_o the_o papist_n make_v a-sacrament_n of_o marriage_n yet_o we_o have_v no_o reason_n to_o take_v it_o for_o a_o ordinance_n of_o divine_a worship_n any_o more_o than_o the_o solemnize_n of_o a_o contract_n between_o a_o prince_n and_o people_n all_o thing_n be_v sanctify_v and_o pure_a to_o the_o pure_a of_o organ_n and_o church_n music_n p._n 412._o as_o for_o organ_n or_o other_o instrument_n of_o music_n in_o god_n worship_n they_o be_v a_o help_n partly_o natural_a and_o partly_o artificial_a to_o the_o exhilerate_n of_o the_o spirit_n for_o the_o praise_n of_o god_n i_o know_v no_o argument_n to_o prove_v they_o simple_o unlawful_a but_o what_o will_v prove_v a_o cup_n of_o wine_n unlawful_a or_o the_o tune_n and_o meeter_n and_o melody_n of_o sing_v unlawful_a of_o holiday_n p._n 412.413_o nor_o for_o my_o part_n do_v i_o make_v any_o scruple_n to_o keep_v a_o day_n in_o remembrance_n of_o any_o eminent_a servant_n of_o christ_n or_o martyr_n to_o praise_n god_n for_o their_o doctrine_n or_o honour_v their_o memorial_n but_o the_o hard_a part_n of_o the_o question_n be_v whether_o it_o be_v lawful_a to_o keep_v day_n in_o celebrate_v the_o memorial_n of_o christ_n nativity_n circumcision_n fast_v transfiguration_n ascension_n and_o such_o like_a p._n 416._o and_o yet_o for_o all_o this_o i_o be_o resolve_v if_o i_o live_v where_o such_o holiday_n as_o these_o be_v observe_v to_o censure_v no_o man_n for_o observe_v they_o nor_o will_v i_o deny_v they_o liberty_n to_o follow_v their_o judgement_n if_o i_o have_v the_o power_n of_o their_o liberty_n provide_v they_o use_v not_o reproach_n and_o violence_n to_o other_o and_o seek_v not_o to_o deprive_v they_o of_o their_o liberty_n p._n 417._o yea_o more_o i_o will_v not_o only_o give_v man_n their_o liberty_n in_o this_o but_o if_o i_o live_v under_o a_o government_n that_o peremptory_o command_v it_o i_o will_v observe_v the_o outward_a rest_n of_o such_o a_o holiday_n and_o i_o will_v preach_v on_o it_o and_o join_v with_o the_o assembly_n in_o god_n worship_n on_o it_o yea_o i_o will_v thus_o observe_v the_o day_n rather_o than_o offend_v a_o weak_a brother_n or_o hinder_v any_o man_n salvation_n much_o more_o rather_o than_o i_o will_v make_v any_o division_n in_o the_o church_n of_o altar_n and_o rail_n ibid._n as_o for_o the_o next_o ceremony_n the_o name_n and_o form_n of_o a_o altar_n no_o doubt_n but_o it_o be_v a_o thing_n indifferent_a whether_o the_o table_n stand_v this_o way_n or_o that_o way_n and_o the_o primitive_a church_n common_o use_v the_o name_n or_o sacrifice_n and_o altar_n and_o priest_n and_o i_o think_v lawful_o for_o my_o part_n i_o shall_v not_o be_v he_o that_o shall_v condemn_v they_o ibid._n i_o conceive_v that_o the_o dislike_n of_o these_o thing_n in_o england_n the_o form_n and_o name_n of_o a_o altar_n and_o rail_n about_o it_o be_v not_o as_o if_o they_o be_v simple_o evil_a p._n 401_o 402._o whether_o we_o shall_v receive_v the_o lord_n supper_n at_o a_o table_n or_o in_o our_o seat_n or_o whether_o the_o table_n shall_v be_v of_o wood_n or_o stone_n whether_o it_o shall_v be_v round_o long_o or_o square_a whether_o it_o shall_v stand_v in_o the_o east_n or_o west_n end_n of_o the_o temple_n or_o in_o the_o middle_n whether_o it_o shall_v have_v rail_n or_o no_o rail_n all_o these_o be_v leave_v to_o humane_a prudence_n of_o the_o cross_n in_o baptism_n p._n 417._o but_o of_o all_o our_o ceremony_n there_o be_v none_o that_o i_o have_v more_o suspect_v to_o be_v simple_o unlawful_a than_o the_o cross_n in_o baptism_n p._n 418._o yet_o i_o dare_v not_o peremptory_o say_v that_o it_o be_v unlawful_a nor_o will_v i_o condemn_v either_o ancient_n or_o modern_n that_o use_v it_o nor_o will_v i_o make_v any_o disturbance_n in_o the_o church_n about_o it_o more_o than_o my_o own_o forbearance_n will_v make_v i_o presume_v not_o to_o censure_v they_o that_o judge_v it_o lawful_a but_o only_o give_v the_o reason_n that_o make_v i_o doubt_v and_o rather_o think_v it_o to_o be_v unlawful_a though_o still_o with_o a_o suspicion_n of_o my_o own_o understanding_n and_o a_o love_n and_o honour_n to_o dissenter_n print_a at_o london_n and_o reprint_v at_o edinburgh_n 1689._o