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A87595 A sober word to a serious people: or, A moderate discourse respecting as well the Seekers, (so called) as the present churches. Wherein the difference between them touching visible administrations, is discovered and discussed: and may serve as a plea for the nations ministery. / By a lover of truth and peace. Jackson, John. 1651 (1651) Wing J78A; ESTC R202618 52,789 71

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the seasons which the Father hath put in his own power Now these are not transient but abiding things so the Ministery which is for the perfecting of the Saints in the sence above expressed was in like nature not onely given for that end but fixed and established by appointment for the same purpose The other branch of this Ministery was To edifie the body of Christ and to build upon the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets Jesus Christ himself being the chiefe corner-stone Now to apply what hath been spoken to the Ministery which Christ gave for this work as it consists of two branches Viz. Perfecting Edifying These workes are appropriate to two parts of the Ministery The first are called Apostles Prophets Evangelists and precede the Church Matth. 28.19 Mat 16.15 Ephes 2.20 21 22. or are before it having the whole world for their Circuit dealing with them as with the World with the Nations as with the Nations Discipling them preparing and fitting them felling hewing and squaring those stones and that timber that it might be made meet for the building as also laying the foundation even themselves next and in order to the Lord Jesus acknowledging him to be the chiefe corner-stone of the building and the building it self to be Gods 1 Cor. 3.9 10 but themselves labourers therein and wise Master-builders thereon The second are such as being part of the number of those which have been so gathered out of the World and placed into the building by the former Master-builders and by them also appointed to edifie the body i. e. to carry on the building keeping to the foundation furnishing them with Rule and Square and Compass and Line and Plummet and whatever was necessary to compleat this work or make the Man of God perfect All which are comprehended in the holy Scriptures and more collectively in the Epistles of Paul to Timothy and Titus And this Ministery are called Pastors and Teachers who are to feed the Church as the former were to breed it these to carry on the building as the other to lay the foundation these to be resident where they were chosen as those to pass on and prepare and fit more materials for the perfecting of the great building the whole House of God Now forasmuch as the number of the Saints are to be perfected and then to be edified and this to be done by a Ministery consisting of Apostles Prophets Evangelists Pastors and Teachers and forasmuch as this is made the work of the Ministery so named and numbered as before to be accomplisht not by any one without the other of them not by the Ministery of the Apostles alone or Prophets onely or Evangelists onely much lesse by the Ministery of Pastors and Teachers onely but by these together as making up the Ministery which Christ ascending on high gave and by Ordinance or appointment set and constituted in the Church And seeing the number of the Saints is not perfected but rather as that Scripture saith The whole world lieth in wickedness or in that wicked one and that there are still Nations and Kindreds and Tongues and People to whom the Gospel may be preached and amongst whom Disciples may be made and Churches formed and built upon the true foundation Hence I conclude with my self and refer it to the judgment of him that reads it in answer to the Question That the Ministery which the Lord Jesus appointed to succeed him was for nature and end a breeding and feeding Ministery The one to prepare the Saints and to gather them into a Church as will be endeavoured to be proved in its proper place the other to build on upon the first foundation being first gathered and set thereon And that these are both alike for their end and duration or continuance appeares First Because they together make up but one Ministery Secondly Because they all being the fruits of one Purchase the same necessity remains for the one as for the other so long as any Saints are to be gathered as well as any to be edified these are to continue and that is till we all come to the unity of the Faith c. the Elect of God standing in as much need of the one instrumentally to enlighten and convert them as of the other to edifie and strengthen them being converted For as God when he gave one gave the other also so the Saints may see a necessity for the continuation of the one as well as of the other the former namely Apostles Prophets Evangelists having been some space of time without the later as appears by Acts 14.23 but the later I conceive have never been in truth without the former at least I know not where or when and should be willing to be informed forasmuch as the Foundation must precede the building up of the Superstructure and the Pastoral feeding the Lambs of the Lord Jesus must needs presuppose a Ministerial Breeding to have preceded in those pure and orderly Institutions The third and fourth Questions I shall answer together Quest Whether there be any Pattern of any Visible congregated Church under the Gospel without or before a Ministery or Baptism Or Whether the present Ministery or present Churches may be acknowledged the Ministery and Churches of Christ according to the first Pattern To the first part of the Question this will be answered Answ That it doth not appear in Scripture that any of the first Churches were gathered into their Visible Order without a Ministery preceding or before Baptism If it be otherwise it 's hoped it will be shewed where and when If it be not to be shewed How deeply are they concerned who set up such Churches whereof there is no Pattern in the Word of God! I know it is ordinarily said and accordingly practised that a company of Believers may by mutual consent or agreement become a Church and appoint one to baptize the rest and accordingly chuse their own Officers and proceed to other Administrations and this in the Name of Christ And such a Company of Believers are accounted by themselves and some others a true Visible Church Others say the same thing in other words Now I would argue the case a little touching Believers consenting to become a Church so far as may help to clear the Question in hand When a person desires to joyn himself to some one of the present Churches though the person be never so desirous in himself to be added yet he can but propound his desire of joyning and being admitted This Church considers and judges of this person's Faith and fitness for Fellowship and that in the Name of the Lord and must declare the Lord's consent in the Church's to the receiving such a Person into such a Fellowship before he can be admitted The person's willingness in himself to be joyned makes him not a Member of such a Fellowship he cannot give his own consent and the Church's too but as he is willing to manifest his
and did perform their part in the subsequent part of the Chapter and History of the Acts. Act. 14.23 Act. 6.3 5 6 8 10. Tit. 1.5 Secondly There is a Ministery of Christ which is not so immediate but more mediate and they were such as whom the Apostles in the behalf and by the suffrage or the election of the Churches did ordain and to whom they did delegate the power and authority of Jesus Christ for the work of the Ministery in the Churches And in his Name and power such gifts were bestowed as might fit those persons for the work whereunto they were chosen and ordained Act. 6.6 2 Tim. 1.6 These though it be not to be denied but they are to be accounted the Ministers of Christ because they are indeed his by appointment and institution yet they are such more mediately and the Churches more immediately whose also they are and out of whom and for whose sake they were immediately chosen and appointed while the other Ministery were to travel abroad and to fulfill their Ministery towards the World for which work they were Commissioned Mar. 16.15 Go ye into all the World and preach the Gospel to every creature This distinction is grounded upon these Scriptures 1 Cor. 4.1 Let a man so account of us as of the Ministers of Christ and Stewards of the Mysteries of God 2 Cor. 8.23 If any enquire of these they are the Apostles of the Churches or as we have it translated they are the Messengers of the Churches and the Glory of Christ Philip. 2.25 I suppose it necessary to send to you Epaphroditus my brother but your Apostle If a person do entitle himself a Minister of Christ he must profess himself to be so under one of these two considerations If he be one of the first sort his Call must be immediate from the Bridegroom the Lord Jesus and his gifts and qualifications must be sutable to his work a powerful enabling to go forth to the World If he be one of the later sort his Call must be from the Bridegroom's friends the Apostles or an Apostolical Ministery Act. 14.23 compared with vers 14 of the same Chapter When the Apostles Barnabas and Paul Vers 23 when they i. e. the Apostles had ordained them Elders in every Church Tit. 1.5 For this cause I left thee in Cret that thou shouldst set in order the things that are wanting and ordaine Elders in every City as I had appointed thee Or else the call of this later sort must be from the Bride her self in whose custody was left the power of all Administrations 1 Cor. 11.2 I praise you brethren that you keep the Ordinances as I delivered them to you And sutable to this Call whether it be by the Bridegroom's friends or by the Bride her self must be the gifts bestowed If Paul do lay hands on Timothy and separate him to the work of the Ministery the Lord confers upon him thereby some gift which he had not before and such a gift to which he is to give attendance Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of God which is in thee by the putting on of my hands 2 Tim. 1.6 If the Church by her Presbytery for so some will have that place to be understood do lay hands on Timothy it is not an empty and bare Ceremony but such an action as wherein God appears conferring by way of gift somewhat which was not before and this likewise is to be attended to Neglect not the gift that is in thee which was given thee by Prophecie with the laying on of the hands of the Presbytery Now the Ministery of these times being compared and considered will appear neither called nor qualified according to the Primitive Patterns Friends of the Bridegroom in the first sence they are not as being immediately sent out from him with an Apostolical Mission or Embassage furnished to wooe and win the Nations to represent the person of the Bridegroom and to be as in his stead beseeching men to be friends with God intreating them to be reconciled to him Their want of the heavenly Furniture of power from on high for this work of the Ministery doth evidence the truth hereof Secondly Nor are they called and sent out by the friends of the Bridegroom either by Apostles Evangelists or Prophets who had their Call and Mission from Christ Forasmuch as they acknowledge no such Ministery now extant but say it was temporary and extraordinary though it be not demonstrable from Scripture when the Entail was cut off or such a Ministery to cease according to designation or appointment Thirdly Nor is it so evident as it is imagined that they have a true Visible Call from the Bride her self a true Visible Constituted Church of Christ who hath been her self first espoused to him visibly and Ministerially by some person or persons hereunto deputed and designed as the Church of Corinth was 2 Cor. 11.2 according to the first established visible Order by Faith and Baptism But from a Company of well-minded people who reading the Scriptures and observing what is spoken touching the Ministery its usefulness and necessity judge it also necessary lawful and expedient to chuse out from among themselves or others some such person as they best approve of to go before them and administer to them and this is accounted a true Call to the Ministery Whereas it would be first enquired Where the Scripture doth in any place give power to a people how holy how godly soever to give a true visible Call to the Ministery themselves not first being visibly and Ministerially a constituted Church of Christ and so his Spouse his Wife according to the Primitive Pattern Whose power how far it extends after she is espoused I dispute not but seriously enquire after the actions of power which are performed by any people before they are visibly espoused and consequently impowered thereunto Hence I conceive it is that this being practised the one giving the other accepting the Call of the Ministery without questioning the Power of either it may without offence be said that a Powerless People give Call to a Giftless Ministery for as they have not power so they confer not any who for lack of Gifts study to acquire Arts wherein also having attained they therein exercise themselves the wisdom of God suffering it to be so that they should style themselves Masters of Arts. But in the beginning it was not so For when the gifts of God could not be bought nor sold and consequently not appropriated to the gain or profit of the Possessor then must Humane Arts be invented which darken the Sun and the Air and the gifts of God exploded and called extraordinary because they too much resemble the heavenly Manna of old a food which proved too dry for the growing interest of that time which the most High beholding withheld and suffered not that blessed and heavenly dew to fall But contrariwise suffered them
to the Nations in their proper Language Therefore this Scripture rightly understood is not of force against what hath been said Object The Scriptures of the Apostles Object they may in a sence be called the Apostles And as the Apostle spake to the Corinthians If I be not an Apostle to others yet I am one to you so of their Writings If they be not Apostles to others to whom they are not come yet they are so to them to whom they are come Answ Ans Their Writings may be called Apostles in a figure as Isaiah was a Prophet to the Eunuch into whose hands his Prophecie came Act. 8.30 but as he needed one to guide him to understand that Prophet so do we stand in need of a guide to understand the Apostles in their writings And that God who was pleased to send his Messenger to the Eunuch to instruct him and to cause him to understand what he read may in his due time send out his Messengers againe in the Power and Spirit of the former to open to us not onely Moses but Christ and his Apostles whose writings we have but seen them as he who saw men walking like trees or as the Eunuch did the Prophecie of Isaiah before it was expounded If it were but in the heart of Gods People to mistrust their own understanding and but to see need to cry out to the Lord to restore the ancient Gospel and to send out those Messengers which are to Preach to the World his fear and worship according to Rev. 14.6 7 to discover Babylon and mightily to call out his People from thence and to lead to Sion it would not be long before some great thing might be accomplished But while we are apt to think we can do these things of our selves without any farther help no marvel that as yet deliverance comes not Oh if the Lord of the harvest must be sought to finde labourers and to thrust them forth and if he will be enquired of for this to do it why do the Lords remembrancers keep silence and give him any rest till he make Hierusalem a praise in the earth till he build up Sion and gather her stones out of the rubbish of Babylons confusions Object Object But whatever may be pretended for a necessity of a Ministery to the World yet Paul took care for the Ordinances and Ministery of the Churches when he gave Timothy instructions how to behave himself in the Church of the living God and gave him a command to commit that which he had taught him to faithful men who might be able to teach others also 2 Tim. 1.2 Answ Answ It is most certaine he did so and by this place and many others appeares the plentiful provision the Lord made for the Churches in point of Ordinances so far as concerned the rules and laws of Worship Act. 20. from Vers 17 to the 32. 1 Cor. 11.2 23. 1 Cor. 7.17 1 Cor. 14.37 2 Tim. 2.1 2 and almost thorowout those Epistles But though he were faithful in appointing the rules for Worship and giving Laws thereof and committing the same to Timothy and by him to faithful men that they should teach others also yet how treacherous they would in after-times prove to those Rules and Laws of Worship is likewise Prophesied of and foretold which should befal the Christian Churches Act. 20.29 30. 2 Tim. 4.3 4. 2 Pet. 2. Jud. 17.18 and this Apostacy was actually begun in the Apostles dayes 2 Thess 2.7 1 Joh. 2.18 1 Joh. 4.1 and in the dayes of the first Churches Rev. Chap. 2. and 3. which Apostacy was grown to be universal in Chap. 13. ult And how universal it was they that will take pains to compare the History of times may finde to their astonishment Object Object But suppose the Apostacy were every way such as hath been spoken May not the People of the Lord who are the Saints of the most High the Kings and Priests of God Rev. 1.6 Rev. 5.10 may not Believers now being Kings by Jesus Christ restore the Worship and set up the Ordinances of Christ as well as Josiah the King did who set up and repaired what the former evill Kings had broken down and destroyed 2 King 22. Answ The building the House Answ and appointing the Laws and Order of the House of God was by him committed First to Moses Exod. 39.32 42 43 who was Prince of the People the first Kingly Magistrate and he who received from the Lord the pattern of his House and the Laws thereof and he was a Type of Christ Next to him Joshuah renewed the Covenant of the Lord with the People at the Commandment of the Lord Josh 5. from the second verse to the ninth Josh 24.25 26 27. This Joshuah was a Type of Jesus and called by that name Act. 7.45 Heb. 4.8 When the Tabernacle ceased and the Temple came in the roome of it the Lord gave King David the pattern thereof and he to Solomon 1 Chron. 28. from verse 11 to 21 and they were both Types of Christ as Kings Now as to the King it was given to build at first and to appoint the Laws of the House at first so to the Kings was it appointed to repaire the breaches when any were The People of Israel were a Royal Priesthood Exod. 19.6 yet they might not meddle with the Priests Office Numb 16.9 10. They were a Kingly People an anointed Nation 1 Chron. 16.22 Psal 105.15 yet they did not all raign as Kings nor did the People set about the restoring or repairing what was amisse till such to whom it was by order appointed to be their head did set upon the work Neither in the Tabernacle without Moses nor in the Circumcision of those who were born in the wilderness without Joshua nor in the Temple without David or Solomon nor in the repairing the Temple without their Kings as Josiah Hezekiah c. nor in the coming out of Babylon without Zerubbabel Declaring plainly that to them to whom at first was given the power of building the House and appointing the Laws thereof to them did appertain the right of repairing the breach and restoring the Laws which were such persons as did type out the Lord Jesus who as at first he became the corner-stone of the building and did by his Messengers his Apostles and Ministers with whom he manifested his visible presence Matth. 28 19 20. Mark 16. ult Joh. 15. the last words of vers 5. lay the foundation and build the superstructure according to Eph. 2.20 Eph. 4.12 so to the same Lord Jesus Christ by his Ministery accompanied with his Power and Presence doth it of right belong to be the Repairer of the breaches which Antichrist hath made in the Christian Church and the Restorer of paths to walk in as of old was typed out in the Temple-state in the examples before alleadged Once the Lord Jesus taught the people by himself from the days of his