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A10834	A iust and necessarie apologie of certain Christians, no lesse contumeliously then commonly called Brownists or Barrowists. By Mr. Iohn Robinson, pastor of the English Church at Leyden, first published in Latin in his and the churches name over which he was set, after translated into English by himself, and now republished for the speciall and common good of our own countrimen; Apologia justa et necessaria quorundum Christianorum, aeque contumeliose ac communiter, dictorum Brownistarum sive Barrowistarum. English	Robinson, John, 1575?-1625.	1625 (1625)	STC 21108; ESTC S102955	59,722	74

I will be thy God and the God of thy seed Genes 17 9. and the seal of the righteousnes of fayth Rom. 4 11. and is one as there is one sayth and one baptism Ephes. 4 4 5. and therefore ought not to be administred to others then those within the compasse of the same covenant nor but upon fayth coming between either of the partie to be baptized or of one parent at the least If any shall answer that this gratious promise of God is not to be restreined to the next immediate children but is extended euen to those who follow a fa●r off I grant it except infidelitie or other sin come between by which the parents with themselvs break off their seed externally actually from the cōmunion of the church holy things thereof And if we be not to insist in the next and immediate parent why in the grand-father or great-grand-father and so for the rest till we climbe up as high as to No●h himself Whereupon it should follow that not the Infants of Iewes nor of Turks no nor of Gentiles neither should have baptism denyed them Surely the grace of Christ must needs be universall and wherein all have interest if the seal thereof apperteyn unto all Neither should the Church amongst whose sacred furniture Baptism is by this rule be any more the house of God peculiar to his children and servants but more like a common In whose doore stands wide open to all that passe by the high way 2. The Apostle 1 Corinth 7 14. upon this ground that the one parent is a beleever avoweth the childe holy which otherwise he pronounceth impure in respect of the Covenant and holynes thereof leaving unto God his secret judgments Now what have the impure and unhallowed to do with the holy things of God And what hath the Pastour and sheepheard in holy things to do with them who are no portion of the Lords flock What have I to doe sayth the Apostle to judg them that are without Do not ye judg them that are within So reverend brethren what have you to do to baptize them that are without do you not baptize them that are within and them alone In the number of whom yet you reckon not those infants though baptized by you nor belonging to your charge Whence also God knoweth it cometh to passe for the most part that they who are thus by you baptized into the name of the Lord are by their godlesse parents education made the servants of Sathan 3. The Baptism of Infants in all soundnes of judgment serveth and that immediately for the comfort of their godly parents whose hearts it filleth with no small joy whilst they behould the gratious promise of God made to them and their seed ratified and confirmed by this seal even as of ould the circumcision of Isaak was granted and injoyned by God unto Abraham his and our father first and immediately for the confirmation of his fayth Whence I conclude that the seal of the righteousnes of faith which baptism is doth no more belong to the seed of godlesse parents then doth the comfort flowing from the righteousnes of fayth unto the parents themselvs Whom as it would effectually move to more serious and sad thoughts of their own estate with God if they beheld their infants so dear unto them excluded thorough their default from the comfortable ●eal of Gods Covenant so can they not but by the undue administration of the same take occasion of hardening themselvs in their accustomed perversnes I conclude then with Tertullian speaking as Iunius interprets him of the children of such as were strangers from the covenant of God Let them come when they are grown to year●s let them when they have learned and are taught wherefore they come let them then be made Christians when they can know Christ. CHAP. III. Of written Leyturgies VVE cannot but mislike that custome in use by which the Pastour is wont to repeat and read out of a prayer-book certayn formes for his and the Churches prayers and that for these reasons 1. Because this externall mean and manner of worshiping God in prayer is no where found in the written word by the prescript whereof alone he is to be worshipped whatsoever either the Iewes fable of the Leyturgie of Ezra or the Papists of S. Peters or S. Iames Leyturgies Yea contrariwise I add for overplusse that it did not seem good to the Apostles the last penmen of the 〈◊〉 ghost that any such prescript form for such end should come in use in the churches And this seemeth unto me verie clear from the former Epistle of Paul to Timothy chap. 2 1 2. The kings of the earth in those dayes and such as were in authoritie under them being as it were so many sworn enemies of the name of Christ this conceipt might easily and it seems did creepe into the mindes of divers Christians that these kindes of men were raither to be prayed against then for by the servants of Christ. And now what was the medicine prescribed by the Apostle for this malad●e in that Epistle written to Timothy for that verie end that he might know how to converse in the church of God Did he now either send Timothy to any Leyturgie formerly let forth for his own and others da●●tion Or did he himself frame any for the purpose whose b●●ten troad the Churches following afterwards should not erre Nothing lesse although a more ●it and full occasion for that busines scarce be offered which without doubt Paul would ●o more have l●t slip th●n did the other Apostles th●t which was more light for the introduction of Deacons if ●t had seemed good to th● H. Ghost by whose singe● he was guided in the ordering of the Churches that any such book-prayer should have come into use Three things especially are objected which must here be cleared The first is that David and other Prophets penned the book of Psalmes for the mother Church of Israell The second that Christ himself delivered to his disciples a certain form of prayer commonly called The Lords prayer The third that Moses from the Lord Numb 6. gave direction to Aa●on and his sonnes in what form of words they should blesse the children of Israel I answer first generally that the consequence followeth not from the authoritie of Christ and of Moses and of the Apostles in ordeyning these and these forms of divine worship for the like authoritie in ordinance Bishops and Pastours to ordeyn other and divers forms for the same end What can be spoken more insolently Christ the Lord Moses the Prophets and Apostles being immediately and infallibly guided by the spirit of Christ have prescribed certain set formes of Gods worship therefore others though not immediately and infallibly guided by the same spirit may also prescribe them Why may they not by this argumentation as well frame us a new Canon of holy Scriptures considering that even th●se verie

a prayer according to the churches present occasion and necessities by the reading of this prescript form that truly excellent gift giuen of God for this end is made void and of none use and the spirit contrarie to that which ought to be extinguished The manifestation of the spirit saith the Apostle is given to everie one especially to everie Pastour to profit withall But he who reads a form of prayer conceaved and consigned by another doth not manifest the pastorall gift for of the internall affection our question is not of the spirit given to him to profit withall but to that other by whom the form of prayer was ind●ted 4. If to read such a form of prayer be to pray aright and pastour like no probable reason can be rendred wherefore to read a sermon or homilie is not as well to preach aright and as is required of the Pastour of the Church Which so being small reason had the Apostle treating of the ecclesiasticall ministerie which principally consists in these two exercises to crie out as he did who is sufficient for these things For who is not sufficient even of the vulgar sort who can not read a Leiturgie and an Homilie 5. The spirit saith the same Apostle speaking of all Christians helpeth our infirmities for we know not what to pray as we ought Yes Paul with your l●av right well for we have in our prayer-book what we ought to pray word for word whether the spirit be present or not What then is to be done in this busines That which Tertullian saith the Christians of his time did We pray saith he without any to prompt us because we pray from the heart But he who reads his prayers or rather the prayers of him that p●nned them and his lesson out of a book hath one that prompts him and that diligently both what and how much and after what manner and with what words and sillables he ought to pray Lastly if it would be just matter of shame to any earthly Father that his childe who desired of him bread fish or an egge should need to read out of a book or paper Father pray you give me bread fish or egge how much more contumel●ous is it to our heauenly father and his holy spirit wherewith he furnisheth all his children specially his ministers according to their place that an help so unworthie and more then babe●sh and indeed the instrument of a foolish sheepheard namely a bare reader with which kinde of vermin Rome and England are pestered should be used by such godly learned pastors as wherewith the reformed churches are furnished CHAP. IIII. Of the Ecclesiasticall Presbyterie VVE do so acknowledg and approve of as divinely instituted the Presbyte●●es of the particular churches as with all we judg them sundrie wai●es defective As first we require that all receaved into the colledg and company of Elders even those which are called governers should be apt to teach and able to exhorte with sound doctrine and convince g●●nsayers and that not onely privately or in the consistorie but in the publick assemblie also as the nature of their publique office requireth I am not ignorant what that learned man Gersom Bucer in his late treatise hath published about this matter neither do I unwillingly assent thereunto provided onely that what he requires in those Elders that they be able to performe publiquely and in the church assembly if not exactly yet competently A second defect which we wish supplyed is that of annuall o● tryennuall or temporarie they might be perpetuall and for l●fe except by some casualtie or occurrence they be disabled as the pastours themselvs This terme of years for the Elders administration in the Reformed Churches the forenamed author in the same place doth not so much defend as excuse but it seemeth raithe● needfull to have it reformed which is also the desire of the said learned man and that for these reasons 1. The Apostle Paul calling unto him the Elders of the church of Ephesus to M●letum doth pronounce of them all as well the governers as those that laboured in the word that they were made Bishops or overseers of the same Church by the holy Ghost Now the authoritie of that the appo●nter ought to work in the appointed great conscience not lightly to relinquish that charge which by the disposition of the holy Ghost they had taken upon them 2. The same Apostle doth in the same place admonish and exhort the same Elders that they should take heed unto themselvs and to all the fl●●k lest the same after his departure should unhappily be damnified either by wolves entering in among them or such as should rise up from themselvs speaking perverse things Now if the date of their Eldership charge were shortly to be out they might well think with themselvs that the Apostles admonition for after times did not much concern them whose term of office should so shortly be expired and were perhaps to follow the Apostles departure at the heeles 3. It was sacriledg for the Levites being consecrated to the Lord for the service of the Tabernacle and Temple to retire from the office undertaken by them although age growing upon them they were exempted from some the more labo●●ous works of that ministration How then is it lawfull for the Elders or Deacons being now no more at their own disposing but as the Levites of ould the Lords sacred and consecrated ones to withdraw so lightly from his speciall service No man under the Law might change a beast if clean no not a better for a worse if once hallowed to the Lord. How much lesse may the church then discharge her officers or they themselvs ministering faythfully and as they ought Lastly the Apostle Paul instructing the Church in Timothy to keep the commandement of Christ unrebukeable untill that his glorious appearing doth not permit no not to the widowes D●aconesses to ●elinquish the office once taken upon them unto whom for that verie cause he forbids mariage it self otherwise permitted to all and to some injoyned How much lesse lawfull is it for the Elders or Deacons of the church whose both condition and ministerie is far more excellent for far lighter causes to look back and relinquish their vocation wherein Christ hath in such sort placed them A third thing there is and that of most moment viz. that the Elders do not administer their publique office publiquely as they should but onely in their private consistorie And first the administrat on of everie office doth ●n right follow the nature of the same whether domesticall in the familie or civill in the common wealth or spirituall in the Church the Elders office then being publique requires answerable and publique administrat on Not that it is unlawfull for the Elders to convene and meet apart from the bodie and to deliberate of such things as concerns the same and