consilii_fw-la angelus_n &_o per_fw-la incarnationis_fw-la mysterium_fw-la venit_fw-la in_o mundum_fw-la stetitqae_fw-la ante_fw-la altar_n id_fw-la est_fw-la in_fw-la conspectu_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la diony_n carthus_n in_o apoc._n 8._o catholic_n doctor_n etc._n etc._n by_o this_o angel_n understand_v christ_n who_o be_v the_o angel_n of_o the_o great_a counsel_n and_o which_o by_o the_o mystery_n of_o his_o incarnation_n come_v into_o the_o world_n and_o stand_v upon_o the_o altar_n of_o the_o cross_n blasius_n 2._o blasius_n nec_fw-la vero_fw-la rectè_fw-la quidam_fw-la è_fw-la recentioribus_fw-la argumentantur_fw-la angelum_fw-la istum_fw-la christum_fw-la esse_fw-la non_fw-la posse_fw-la quod_fw-la christus_fw-la nunquam_fw-la angelus_n absolute_a dicitur_fw-la satis_fw-la enim_fw-la est_fw-la ut_fw-la ex_fw-la consequentibus_fw-la facile_fw-la intelligi_fw-la potest_fw-la christum_fw-la esse_fw-la quae_fw-la nifi_n christ_n alteri_fw-la aptè_fw-la accommodari_fw-la non_fw-la possunt_fw-la cujus_fw-la enim_fw-la alterius_fw-la est_fw-la universae_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la incensa_fw-la hoc_fw-la est_fw-la orationes_fw-la in_o thuribulo_fw-la aurto_fw-la tanta_fw-la majestatis_fw-la specie_fw-la patri_fw-la offer_n cujus_fw-la praeterquam_fw-la christi_fw-la fuit_fw-la de_fw-la igne_fw-la quo_fw-la thuribulum_n aureum_fw-la eaat_fw-mi impletum_fw-la partem_fw-la in_o terras_fw-la misisse_fw-la easque_fw-la divini_fw-la amoris_fw-la igne_fw-la inflammasse_o etc._n etc._n apuaret_fw-la autem_fw-la christus_fw-la sacerdotis_fw-la personam_fw-la gerens_fw-la ut_fw-la ejus_fw-la pro_fw-la nobis_fw-la apud_fw-la patrem_fw-la intercessio_fw-la atque_fw-la interpellatio_fw-la monstretur_fw-la vieg_n in_o apoc._n 8._o sec._n 2._o viegas_n a_o jesuit_n we_o may_v easy_o perceive_v that_o this_o angel_n be_v christ_n because_o the_o thing_n here_o speak_v of_o he_o can_v agree_v to_o no_o other_o but_o christ_n for_o who_o but_o he_o can_v with_o so_o great_a majesty_n offer_v up_o to_o god_n the_o incense_n that_o be_v the_o prayer_n of_o the_o universal_a church_n who_o beside_o he_o be_v able_a out_o of_o the_o perfume_a pann_n to_o send_v down_o into_o the_o earth_n the_o fiery_a coal_n of_o divine_a charity_n and_o to_o inflame_v people_n with_o the_o burn_a grace_n of_o the_o holy_a spirit_n with_o these_o agree_n 8._o agree_n ambros_n super_fw-la apoc._n vis_fw-fr 3._o cap._n 8._o ambrose_n 2._o ambrose_n primus_fw-la in_o apoc._n 8._o biblioth_n sanct._n colon._n to_o 9_o p._n 2._o primasius_n 393._o primasius_n ansbert_n in_o apoc._n 8._o bibl._n sanct._n col._n to_o 9_o p._n 393._o authertus_n 2._o authertus_n bed_n 5._o super_fw-la apoc._n lib._n 2._o beda_n 8._o beda_n haimo_fw-it in_o apoc._n 8._o haimo_n card._n haimo_n hugo_n card._n hugo_n cardinalis_fw-la and_o the_o gloss_n christ_n gloss_n glossae_fw-la totum_fw-la legunt_fw-la hoc_fw-la de_fw-la christ_n but_o if_o it_o be_v grant_v that_o this_o angel_n be_v a_o create_v or_o minister_a spirit_n it_o can_v be_v prove_v that_o angel_n understand_v the_o secret_a cogitation_n of_o man_n heart_n any_o far_a than_o the_o same_o be_v manifest_v by_o sign_n neither_o be_v it_o consequent_a that_o people_n ought_v to_o pray_v unto_o they_o for_o priest_n offer_v up_o the_o prayer_n of_o the_o church_n to_o god_n and_o yet_o no_o man_n do_v therefore_o invocate_v priest_n it_o be_v record_v of_o the_o saint_n enjoy_v the_o same_o blissful_a vision_n with_o the_o angel_n ibid._n object_n ibid._n that_o they_o have_v golden_a vial_n full_a of_o odour_n which_o be_v the_o prayer_n of_o saint_n that_o be_v of_o the_o faithful_a upon_o earth_n 1._o answ_n answ_n the_o reverend_a dr._n hammond_n and_o many_o other_o expositor_n ancient_a and_o modern_a tell_v we_o that_o the_o four_o and_o twenty_o elder_n be_v not_o the_o member_n of_o the_o church_n triumphant_a as_o t._n g._n without_o proof_n assert_n but_o the_o bishop_n and_o the_o elder_n of_o the_o church_n militant_a who_o office_n it_o be_v to_o present_v the_o prayer_n and_o praise_n of_o the_o church_n to_o god_n here_o it_o be_v more_o plain_o declare_v say_v beda_n that_o the_o beast_n and_o the_o elder_n be_v the_o church_n redeem_v by_o the_o blood_n of_o christ_n and_o gather_v from_o the_o nation_n also_o he_o show_v in_o what_o heaven_n they_o be_v say_v they_o shall_v reign_v upon_o earth_n so_o ambrose_n on_o the_o apcalyp_v and_o haimo_n 2._o vossius_fw-la will_v tell_v you_o that_o here_o be_v nothing_o intend_v but_o eucharistal_n prayer_n not_o petitory_a and_o that_o the_o four_o and_o twenty_o elder_n only_o intimate_v that_o the_o whole_a family_n of_o christian_n in_o earth_n and_o heaven_n do_v render_v continual_a doxology_n to_o god_n for_o the_o redemption_n of_o the_o world_n by_o his_o son_n the_o psalmist_n say_v i_o will_v sing_v unto_o thou_o in_o the_o sight_n or_o presence_n of_o the_o angel_n psal_n 137.2_o 418._o object_n p._n 418._o the_o angel_n of_o the_o lord_n say_v o_o lord_n of_o host_n how_o long_o will_v thou_o not_o have_v mercy_n on_o jerusalem_n and_o on_o the_o city_n of_o judah_n against_o which_o thou_o have_v have_v indignation_n these_o threescore_o and_o ten_o year_n and_o michael_n be_v a_o great_a prince_n which_o stand_v for_o the_o child_n of_o god_n people_n ergo_fw-la the_o angel_n know_v the_o secret_n of_o the_o heart_n and_o be_v acquaint_v with_o the_o prayer_n that_o man_n in_o any_o place_n put_v up_o unto_o they_o to_o these_o objection_n i_o answer_v ha_o ha_o he_o valentianus_n answ_n valentianus_n fieri_fw-la ne_fw-la potest_fw-la ut_fw-la homo_fw-la qui_fw-la sic_fw-la ratiocinatur_fw-la homo_fw-la sit_fw-la the_o psalmist_n also_o say_v i_o will_v pay_v my_o vow_n in_o the_o presence_n of_o thy_o people_n ergo_fw-la all_o god_n people_n know_v the_o secret_n of_o the_o heart_n etc._n etc._n the_o fanatic_a say_v how_o long_a lord_n will_v thou_o not_o remember_v and_o have_v mercy_n upon_o the_o godly_a party_n who_o have_v be_v under_o persecution_n fourteen_o year_n ergo_fw-la the_o fanatic_n know_v the_o secret_n of_o the_o heart_n etc._n etc._n and_o bless_v be_v god_n king_n charles_n the_o second_o be_v a_o great_a prince_n who_o stand_v for_o his_o people_n against_o the_o whore_n of_o babylon_n he_o therefore_o know_v the_o prayer_n and_o necessity_n of_o all_o his_o people_n he_o be_v acquaint_v with_o the_o secret_n of_o the_o heart_n and_o we_o may_v put_v up_o mental_a prayer_n unto_o he_o if_o t._n g._n have_v a_o estate_n worth_n beg_v he_o may_v well_o fear_v that_o his_o performance_n here_o and_o p._n 222_o 223._o will_v rob_v he_o of_o it_o chap._n vii_o the_o content_n the_o doctrine_n and_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n touch_v the_o invocation_n of_o the_o saint_n depart_v deliver_v from_o their_o own_o catechism_n and_o liturgy_n and_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o trent_n council_n sect._n 1._o the_o question_n state_v in_o seven_o particular_n sect._n 2._o the_o idolatry_n of_o this_o practice_n prove_v 1._o because_o it_o do_v ascribe_v unto_o they_o the_o knowledge_n of_o the_o heart_n and_o of_o our_o confession_n 2._o because_o prayer_n to_o a_o absent_a be_v be_v the_o oblation_n of_o that_o worship_n to_o it_o which_o be_v proper_a to_o god_n and_o so_o be_v vow_n and_o hymn_n sect._n 3.3_o because_o the_o apostle_n give_v we_o no_o precept_n or_o example_n so_o to_o do_v sect._n 4._o the_o sequel_n of_o this_o argument_n be_v confirm_v and_o the_o objection_n answer_v sect._n 5._o and_o the_o argument_n from_o miracle_n confute_v sect._n 6._o have_v lay_v down_o these_o proposition_n let_v we_o now_o view_v the_o doctrine_n and_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n which_o the_o trent_n council_n have_v deliver_v in_o these_o word_n viz._n 1._o viz._n mandate_n sancta_fw-la synodus_fw-la omnibus_fw-la episcopis_fw-la &_o clerieis_fw-la docendi_fw-la munuscurámque_fw-la sustinentibus_fw-la ut_fw-la fideles_fw-la diligenter_n instruant_fw-la docentes_fw-la eos_fw-la bonum_fw-la atque_fw-la utile_fw-la esse_fw-la suppliciter_fw-la eos_fw-la invocare_fw-la ad_fw-la eorum_fw-la orationes_fw-la opem_fw-la auxiliúmque_fw-la confugere_fw-la illos_fw-la verò_fw-la qui_fw-la negant_fw-la sanctos_fw-la aeterna_fw-la felicitate_a in_fw-la calo_fw-la fruentes_fw-la invocandos_fw-la esse_fw-la aut_fw-la qui_fw-la asserunt_fw-la eorum_fw-la ut_fw-la pro_fw-la nobis_fw-la singulis_fw-la orent_fw-la invocationem_fw-la esse_fw-la idololatricam_fw-la vel_fw-la pugnare_fw-la cum_fw-la verbo_fw-la dei_fw-la adversi_fw-la ique_fw-la honori_fw-la unius_fw-la mediatoris_fw-la dei_fw-la &_o hominis_fw-la jesus_n christi_fw-la vel_fw-la stultum_fw-la esse_fw-la in_o coele_fw-la regantibus_fw-la voce_fw-la vel_fw-la ment_fw-la suppliâ—are_fw-la impié_fw-fr sentire_fw-la st_n quis_fw-la autem_fw-la his_fw-la decretis_fw-la contraria_fw-la docuerit_fw-la aut_fw-la senserit_fw-la anath_n ma_fw-fr sit_fw-la sess_n 25._o c._n 1._o that_o it_o be_v good_a and_o profitable_a humble_o to_o invoke_v the_o saint_n and_o fly_v unto_o their_o prayer_n and_o help_v and_o that_o whosoever_o do_v deny_v that_o saint_n who_o do_v enjoy_v eternal_a happiness_n in_o heaven_n aught_o to_o be_v invoke_v or_o do_v assert_v that_o to_o entreat_v they_o to_o pray_v for_o any_o single_a person_n be_v idolatry_n or_o be_v
prayer_n here_o therefore_o be_v a_o demonstration_n that_o this_o bless_a chorus_n be_v judge_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d co-helper_n of_o our_o prayer_n by_o intercede_v with_o we_o as_o be_v our_o fellow_n christian_n here_o on_o earth_n 2_o cor._n 1.11_o rom._n 15.30_o but_o here_o be_v not_o one_o tittle_n to_o demonstrate_v that_o they_o do_v or_o that_o we_o ought_v to_o pray_v to_o they_o 4._o when_o austin_n say_v that_o christian_a people_n do_v with_o religious_a solemnity_n celebrate_v the_o memory_n of_o martyr_n both_o to_o excite_v they_o to_o the_o imitation_n of_o they_o and_o that_o they_o may_v become_v partaker_n of_o their_o merit_n or_o good_a work_n and_o may_v be_v help_v by_o their_o prayer_n this_o passage_n only_o prove_v that_o austin_n hold_v what_o be_v then_o common_o assert_v that_o when_o the_o christian_n come_v to_o church_n the_o bless_a martyr_n join_v their_o supplication_n with_o they_o and_o by_o so_o do_v help_v to_o speed_v they_o but_o it_o be_v no_o evidence_n that_o either_o christian_n pray_v unto_o the_o martyr_n or_o that_o the_o solemnity_n be_v style_v religious_a upon_o that_o account_n for_o protestant_n do_v bring_v their_o child_n to_o the_o church_n to_o be_v baptize_v not_o only_o that_o they_o may_v be_v excite_v by_o that_o rite_n to_o the_o performance_n of_o the_o christian_a covenant_n but_o that_o they_o may_v obtain_v advantage_n by_o the_o church_n prayer_n but_o yet_o they_o do_v not_o pray_v unto_o the_o church_n and_o t.g._n may_v perhaps_o expect_v advantage_n from_o the_o prayer_n of_o christ_n church_n militant_a and_o yet_o i_o hope_v he_o be_v not_o so_o express_v for_o invocation_n of_o the_o member_n of_o it_o as_o for_o the_o invocation_n of_o the_o church_n triumphant_a 16._o de_fw-fr cura_fw-la pro_fw-la mort._n c._n 16._o beside_o austin_n himself_o expound_v how_o we_o be_v help_v by_o their_o prayer_n viz._n because_o that_o god_n may_v be_v induce_v by_o their_o intercession_n make_v in_o general_a for_o all_o that_o pray_v to_o grant_v what_o he_o see_v needful_a for_o they_o moreover_o that_o this_o passage_n be_v no_o evidence_n that_o christian_n hold_v religious_a solemnity_n to_o the_o martyr_n or_o do_v religious_o worship_v martyr_n be_v extreme_o evident_a for_o protestant_n do_v also_o celebrate_v the_o memory_n of_o their_o decease_a friend_n with_o a_o religious_a solemnity_n perform_v in_o those_o place_n where_o they_o be_v inter_v and_o yet_o they_o give_v unto_o from_o no_o religious_a worship_n it_o therefore_o may_v be_v â—â—â—ed_v a_o religious_a solemnity_n because_o of_o the_o devotion_n pay_v to_o god_n and_o not_o unto_o the_o martyr_n but_o this_o exposition_n say_v t._n g._n be_v opposite_a both_o to_o the_o word_n themselves_o 432._o p._n 432._o and_o be_v refute_v by_o st._n austin_n for_o he_o declare_v himself_o not_o to_o speak_v of_o that_o religious_a worship_n which_o be_v due_a only_a to_o god_n but_o such_o a_o kind_n of_o worship_n with_o which_o even_o holy_a man_n in_o this_o life_n be_v worship_v we_o worship_v therefore_o say_v he_o the_o martyr_n with_o the_o worship_n of_o love_n and_o society_n thus_o t._n g._n and_o yet_o in_o the_o same_o page_n he_o add_v it_o be_v evident_a that_o st._n austin_n speak_v of_o such_o religious_a honour_n as_o be_v due_a to_o god_n himself_o if_o then_o within_o the_o space_n of_o ten_o line_n st._n austin_n speak_v both_o of_o religious_a worship_n and_o of_o that_o worship_n which_o be_v not_o in_o the_o strict_a sense_n religious_a i_o hope_v the_o dr._n may_v be_v allow_v to_o answer_n with_o t._n g._n that_o when_o st._n austin_n say_v we_o worship_v martyr_n with_o the_o worship_n of_o love_n he_o do_v not_o speak_v of_o religion_n worship_n though_o in_o this_o sentence_n he_o express_o do_v so_o for_o do_v not_o st._n austin_n say_v that_o to_o speak_v 1_o speak_v ipsa_fw-la religio_fw-la quamvis_fw-la distinctius_fw-la non_fw-la quemlibet_fw-la sed_fw-la dei_fw-la cultum_fw-la significare_fw-la videatur_fw-la etc._n etc._n de_fw-fr c._n d._n l._n 10._o c._n 1_o proper_o religion_n signify_v that_o worship_n which_o be_v due_a to_o god_n alone_o do_v not_o he_o thus_o advise_v all_o christian_n conserte_n christian_n non_fw-la sit_fw-la nobis_fw-la religio_fw-la cultus_fw-la hominum_fw-la mortuorum_fw-la quia_fw-la si_fw-la pie_n vixerunt_fw-la non_fw-la sic_fw-la habentur_fw-la ut_fw-la tale_n quaerant_fw-la honores_fw-la sed_fw-la illum_fw-la à _fw-la nobis_fw-la coli_fw-la volunt_fw-la quo_fw-la iltuminante_fw-la laetantur_fw-la meriti_fw-la svi_fw-la nos_fw-la esse_fw-la conserte_n let_v not_o the_o worship_n of_o the_o dead_a be_v any_o part_n of_o your_o religion_n for_o if_o they_o have_v live_v well_o they_o will_v not_o seek_v these_o honour_n do_v not_o he_o say_v b._n say_v henorandi_n ergo_fw-la sunt_fw-la prepter_n imitationem_fw-la non_fw-la adorandi_fw-la prepter_n religionem_fw-la august_n de_fw-fr vera_fw-la rel._n tom._n 1._o cap._n 55._o pag._n 166._o b._n they_o shall_v be_v honour_v with_o our_o imitation_n but_o not_o be_v worship_v with_o religion_n and_o be_v not_o this_o sufficient_a reason_n to_o conceive_v that_o when_o he_o say_v we_o honour_v the_o memory_n of_o martyr_n with_o religious_a solemnity_n the_o religion_n of_o that_o solemnity_n belong_v to_o god_n and_o not_o unto_o the_o dead_a second_o st._n austin_n say_v 21._o say_v populus_fw-la autem_fw-la christianus_n memorias_fw-la martyrum_fw-la religioso_fw-la solennitate_fw-la concelebrat_fw-la &_o ad_fw-la exitandam_fw-la imitationem_fw-la &_o ut_fw-la meritis_fw-la corum_fw-la consoctitur_fw-la atque_fw-la orationibus_fw-la adjuvetur_fw-la ita_fw-la tamen_fw-la ut_fw-la nulti_fw-la martyrum_fw-la sed_fw-la ipsi_fw-la dâ—o_fw-la martyrum_fw-la quamvis_fw-la in_o memorias_fw-la martyrum_fw-la constituamus_fw-la altaria_fw-la l._n 20._o contr_n faustum_n manich._n c._n 21._o we_o christian_n people_n do_v celebrate_v the_o memory_n of_o martyr_n with_o religious_a solemnity_n but_o albeit_o we_o erect_v altar_n in_o memory_n of_o the_o martyr_n we_o do_v not_o do_v it_o to_o they_o but_o to_o the_o god_n of_o martyr_n if_o than_o constituere_fw-la altaria_fw-la in_o memorias_fw-la martyrum_fw-la be_v to_o erect_v altar_n to_o god_n in_o memory_n of_o the_o martyr_n to_o celebrate_v religious_a solemnity_n in_o memory_n of_o the_o martyr_n aught_o in_o all_o reason_n to_o admit_v of_o a_o like_a sense_n viz._n we_o celebrate_v religious_a solemnity_n to_o god_n in_o memory_n of_o holy_a martyr_n whereas_o s._n austin_n say_v it_o be_v a_o injury_n to_o pray_v to_o martyr_n unto_o who_o prayer_n we_o ought_v to_o be_v commend_v this_o also_o may_v refer_v to_o the_o forementioned_a presumption_n viz._n that_o we_o ought_v to_o commend_v ourselves_o to_o their_o prayer_n by_o go_v to_o the_o place_n where_o the_o martyr_n pray_v together_o with_o we_o or_o by_o entreat_v god_n to_o hear_v we_o by_o virtue_n of_o their_o intercession_n as_o do_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n elsewhere_o he_o teach_v that_o we_o commend_v our_o friend_n unto_o their_o prayer_n by_o bury_v of_o they_o where_o the_o martyr_n lie_v inter_v so_o that_o we_o see_v this_o commendation_n of_o ourselves_o and_o other_o to_o the_o martyr_n prayer_n do_v not_o imply_v the_o invocation_n of_o those_o bless_a spirit_n the_o same_o st._n austin_n in_o his_o book_n de_fw-fr cura_fw-la pro_fw-la mortuis_fw-la speak_v of_o such_o as_o do_v forecast_v to_o bury_v their_o depart_a friend_n about_o the_o memory_n of_o the_o saint_n pass_v his_o judgement_n of_o that_o action_n thus_o e._n thus_o cum_fw-la talia_fw-la vivorum_fw-la solatia_fw-la requiruntur_fw-la quibus_fw-la eorum_fw-la pius_fw-la in_o suos_fw-la animus_n appareat_fw-la non_fw-la video_fw-la quae_fw-la sunt_fw-la adjumenta_fw-la mortuorum_fw-la nisi_fw-la ad_fw-la hoc_fw-la ut_fw-la dum_fw-la recolunt_fw-la ubi_fw-la sint_fw-la posita_fw-la eorum_fw-la quos_fw-la diligunt_fw-la corpora_fw-la iisdem_fw-la sanctis_fw-la illos_fw-la tanquam_fw-la patronis_fw-la susceptos_fw-la apud_fw-la dominum_fw-la adjuvandos_fw-mi orando_fw-la commendent_fw-la cap._n 4._o f._n 214._o e._n when_o the_o survivor_n seek_v such_o comfort_n wherein_o their_o well_o dispose_v mind_n towards_o their_o friend_n may_v be_v conspicuous_a i_o see_v not_o what_o advantage_n these_o thing_n may_v be_v unto_o the_o dead_a except_o that_o whilst_o they_o cast_v about_o where_o the_o body_n of_o they_o that_o be_v dear_a to_o they_o shall_v or_o may_v be_v lay_v they_o may_v commend_v they_o so_o receive_v to_o the_o saint_n as_o to_o patron_n to_o be_v help_v by_o their_o prayer_n to_o god_n which_o passage_n only_o do_v import_v that_o by_o deposit_v their_o body_n by_o the_o martyr_n shrine_n they_o engage_v the_o martyr_n to_o pray_v to_o god_n for_o they_o and_o to_o the_o like_a effect_n be_v that_o which_o follow_v viz._n f._n viz._n cum_fw-la itaque_fw-la recolit_fw-la animus_n nbi_fw-la sepultum_fw-la sit_fw-la chari_fw-la ssimi_fw-la corpus_fw-la &_o locus_fw-la nomine_fw-la occurrit_fw-la martyris_fw-la venerabilis_fw-la eidem_fw-la martyri_fw-la animam_fw-la
prayer_n to_o god_n and_o bring_v down_o blessing_n from_o god_n to_o we_o as_o he_o have_v learn_v in_o the_o school_n of_o plato_n lest_o any_o shall_v be_v tempt_v to_o infer_v from_o this_o that_o we_o shall_v pray_v unto_o these_o angel_n or_o that_o it_o be_v useful_a or_o needful_a so_o to_o do_v that_o so_o these_o bless_a spirit_n may_v be_v more_o propicious_a or_o helpful_a to_o we_o he_o do_v express_o say_v that_o 233._o that_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d p._n 233._o to_o invoke_v they_o be_v no_o reasonable_a thing_n and_o this_o assertion_n he_o confirm_v by_o many_o argument_n 1._o it_o be_v absurd_a say_v he_o to_o call_v upon_o they_o because_o we_o want_v the_o knowledge_n of_o their_o nature_n and_o because_o it_o be_v above_o the_o reach_n of_o man._n and_o 2._o that_o if_o we_o can_v attain_v unto_o this_o knowledge_n that_o very_a knowledge_n which_o declare_v their_o nature_n and_o their_o offce_n to_o we_o will_v not_o permit_v we_o to_o pray_v to_o any_o other_o but_o unto_o god_n the_o lord_n of_o all_o who_o be_v abundant_o sufficient_a for_o all_o by_o the_o son_n of_o god_n 3._o he_o reckon_v up_o in_o the_o apostle_n language_n all_o the_o kind_n and_o sort_n of_o prayer_n 233._o prayer_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d orig._n contra_fw-la celsum_fw-la l._n 5._o p_o 233._o petition_n deprecation_n intercession_n and_o thanksgiving_n and_o then_o he_o add_v all_o these_o we_o must_v put_v up_o to_o god_n by_o that_o high_a priest_n who_o do_v transcend_v all_o angel_n and_o that_o this_o worship_n in_o any_o of_o the_o kind_n foremention_v be_v therefore_o not_o to_o be_v confer_v upon_o the_o angel_n because_o they_o be_v not_o to_o receive_v ibid._n receive_v ibid._n the_o worship_n due_a to_o god_n 4._o he_o add_v that_o it_o be_v sufficient_a to_o obtain_v the_o favour_n of_o the_o holy_a angel_n and_o the_o assistance_n of_o their_o prayer_n to_o labour_v to_o have_v god_n propitious_a and_o to_o procure_v his_o good_a will_n by_o godliness_n and_o virtue_n and_o by_o imitation_n of_o the_o angel_n piety_n and_o therefore_o not_o only_o in_o his_o answer_n to_o this_o objection_n 233._o lib._n 5._o p._n 233._o but_o elsewhere_o he_o tell_v we_o i_o must_v endeavour_v to_o approve_v ourselves_o to_o he_o who_o be_v one_o god_n over_o all_o and_o we_o must_v pray_v to_o he_o for_o mercy_n and_o that_o if_o celsus_n will_v yet_o have_v we_o to_o procure_v the_o good_a will_n of_o other_o after_o he_o who_o be_v god_n over_o all_o he_o must_v consider_v that_o as_o when_o the_o body_n be_v move_v the_o motion_n of_o the_o shadow_n thereof_o do_v follow_v so_o in_o like_a manner_n have_v god_n favourable_a unto_o we_o who_o be_v over_o all_o it_o follow_v that_o we_o shall_v have_v all_o his_o friend_n both_o angel_n and_o soul_n and_o spirit_n love_v unto_o we_o for_o they_o have_v a_o fellow_n feel_v with_o they_o that_o be_v think_v worthy_a to_o find_v favour_n from_o god_n to_o who_o they_o be_v not_o only_o favourable_a but_o they_o pray_v with_o they_o so_o as_o we_o may_v be_v bold_a to_o say_v that_o when_o man_n which_o with_o resolution_n propose_v unto_o themselves_o the_o best_a thing_n do_v pray_v unto_o god_n many_o thousand_o of_o the_o sacred_a power_n pray_v together_o with_o they_o unspeak_a to_o moreover_o when_o celsus_n affirm_v 420._o id._n l._n 8._o p._n 420._o that_o thanks_o be_v to_o be_v give_v to_o daemon_n and_o that_o our_o prayer_n and_o first_o fruit_n be_v to_o be_v offer_v to_o they_o 396._o they_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d l._n 8._o p._n 396._o that_o so_o we_o may_v obtain_v their_o presence_n with_o we_o and_o their_o favour_n to_o we_o who_o have_v obtain_v of_o god_n to_o be_v dispenser_n of_o inferior_a thing_n to_o this_o it_o be_v reply_v by_o origen_n 1._o that_o god_n have_v give_v no_o such_o government_n to_o daemon_n 400._o daemon_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d id._n ib._n p._n 400._o 2._o that_o first_o fruit_n must_v be_v offer_v to_o god_n alone_o who_o say_v let_v the_o earth_n bring_v forth_o fruit_n and_o to_o he_o to_o who_o the_o christian_n offer_v their_o first_o fruit_n they_o offer_v also_o their_o petition_n 3._o he_o do_v acknowledge_v that_o office_n which_o celsus_n have_v ascribe_v to_o wicked_a daemon_n do_v agree_v to_o angel_n who_o upon_o that_o account_n in_o scripture_n be_v style_v minister_a spirit_n and_o do_v encamp_v about_o god_n servant_n for_o their_o protection_n and_o deliverance_n but_o lest_o we_o shall_v infer_v with_o celsus_n that_o we_o must_v therefore_o pray_v unto_o they_o to_o be_v thus_o propicious_a he_o add_v we_o shall_v sufficient_o obtain_v their_o favour_n by_o imitation_n of_o their_o piety_n and_o invocation_n of_o that_o god_n to_o who_o they_o pray_v for_o thus_o he_o speak_v if_o we_o have_v a_o desire_n to_o a_o multitude_n who_o we_o will_v willing_o have_v to_o be_v favourable_a unto_o we_o 400._o l._n 8._o p._n 400._o we_o learn_v that_o thousand_o thousand_o stand_n by_o he_o and_o million_o of_o million_o minister_n unto_o he_o who_o behold_v they_o that_o imitate_v their_o piety_n towards_o god_n as_o if_o they_o be_v their_o kinsfolk_n and_o friend_n help_v forward_o their_o salvation_n and_o call_v upon_o god_n and_o pray_v sincere_o appear_v also_o and_o think_v that_o they_o ought_v to_o do_v service_n to_o they_o and_o as_o it_o be_v upon_o one_o watchword_n to_o set_v forth_o for_o the_o benefit_n and_o salvation_n of_o they_o that_o pray_v to_o god_n unto_o who_o they_o themselves_o also_o pray_v now_o to_o all_o these_o and_o all_o the_o argument_n that_o any_o man_n can_v bring_v t._n g._n return_v this_o answer_n 360._o §._o 3._o p._n 360._o viz._n that_o prayer_n imply_v either_o a_o total_a dependence_n upon_o god_n as_o the_o author_n of_o all_o good_a and_o so_o we_o ought_v to_o pray_v to_o god_n alone_o or_o a_o address_n unto_o the_o member_n of_o the_o church_n triumphant_a for_o the_o assistance_n of_o their_o prayer_n to_o he_o who_o only_o can_v give_v what_o we_o ask_v and_o in_o this_o sense_n it_o be_v still_o use_v by_o roman_a catholic_n when_o it_o be_v apply_v to_o saint_n and_o angel_n when_o therefore_o origen_n deny_v that_o our_o prayer_n be_v to_o be_v offer_v to_o any_o but_o to_o christ_n alone_o he_o speak_v of_o prayer_n in_o the_o first_o sense_n this_o be_v that_o catholic_n answer_n which_o upon_o all_o occasion_n he_o produce_v this_o origen_n and_o all_o the_o father_n mean_v very_o it_o be_v this_o and_o nothing_o else_o not_o that_o the_o father_n of_o the_o four_o first_o century_n when_o they_o so_o roundly_o and_o frequent_o assert_v that_o prayer_n be_v to_o be_v offer_v unto_o god_n alone_o do_v ever_o thus_o distinguish_v or_o speak_v one_o title_n of_o this_o nature_n no_o simple_a creature_n as_o they_o be_v they_o absolute_o and_o without_o all_o distinction_n condemn_v what_o they_o daily_o practise_v and_o practise_v what_o they_o have_v condemn_v they_o all_o speak_v what_o be_v absolute_o false_a and_o mean_v only_o what_o be_v true_a so_o that_o no_o man_n can_v have_v imagine_v this_o to_o have_v be_v their_o meaning_n have_v not_o t._n g._n be_v their_o interpreter_n thus_o when_o origne_n express_o say_v 402._o say_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d l._n 8._o p._n 402._o it_o be_v no_o reasonable_a thing_n to_o pray_v unto_o the_o angel_n 258._o angel_n l._n 5._o p._n 258._o we_o must_v only_o pray_v to_o god_n and_o to_o his_o son_n christ_n jesus_n he_o nu_v affirm_v what_o be_v a_o plain_a and_o absolute_a contradiction_n to_o the_o church_n doctrine_n but_o then_o his_o meaning_n must_v be_v orthodox_n and_o contradictory_n to_o what_o he_o do_v assert_v when_o he_o add_v almost_o by_o way_n of_o syllogism_n to_o who_o we_o christian_n offer_v our_o first_o fruit_n to_o he_o we_o offer_v up_o our_o prayer_n but_o to_o god_n alone_o we_o offer_v up_o our_o first_o fruit_n ergo_fw-la to_o he_o alone_o we_o offer_v up_o our_o prayer_n when_o he_o inform_v we_o that_o the_o christian_n be_v such_o as_o do_v not_o pray_v to_o angel_n but_o undivide_o and_o inseparable_o do_v worship_n god_n by_o jesus_n christ_n 382._o l._n 8._o p._n 382._o and_o come_v to_o god_n by_o christ_n alone_o and_o so_o as_o to_o transcend_v even_o those_o bless_a spirit_n which_o be_v call_v god_n he_o must_v apparent_o bely_v the_o christian_a world_n according_a to_o the_o plain_a interpretation_n of_o his_o word_n but_o his_o intention_n must_v be_v orthodox_n and_o yet_o 3._o he_o do_v not_o only_o deny_v the_o doctrine_n and_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n to_o be_v the_o doctrine_n and_o practice_n of_o the_o time_n wherein_o he_o live_v but_o he_o destroy_v
say_v he_o set_v down_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n as_o it_o stand_v record_v in_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n what_o that_o council_n teach_v be_v that_o it_o be_v good_a and_o profitable_a for_o christian_n humble_o to_o invocate_v the_o saint_n and_o to_o have_v recourse_n to_o their_o prayer_n aid_n assistance_n whereby_o to_o obtain_v benefit_n of_o god_n by_o his_o son_n our_o lord_n jesus_n christ_n who_o be_v our_o only_a redeemer_n and_o saviour_n these_o be_v the_o very_a word_n of_o the_o council_n and_o any_o man_n but_o of_o common_a reason_n will_v think_v it_o be_v as_o easy_a to_o prove_v snow_n to_o be_v black_a as_o so_o innocent_a a_o practice_n to_o be_v idolatry_n even_o heathen_a idolatry_n answ_n that_o the_o reader_n may_v see_v what_o disingenuity_n be_v here_o insinuate_v it_o be_v sufficient_a only_a to_o advertise_v he_o that_o we_o do_v not_o accuse_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n as_o guilty_a of_o idolatry_n for_o hold_v what_o she_o deliver_v in_o the_o word_n now_o cite_v but_o for_o hold_v what_o she_o insinuate_v in_o the_o word_n which_o follow_v and_o which_o t._n g._n thought_n most_o convenient_a to_o conceal_v viz._n that_o every_o person_n may_v pray_v unto_o they_o and_o that_o not_o only_o with_o vocal_a but_o with_o mental_a prayer_n and_o for_o enjoin_v the_o sick_a to_o pray_v with_o his_o heart_n when_o he_o can_v do_v it_o with_o his_o mouth_n o_o all_o you_o saint_n intercede_v for_o i_o and_o succour_v i_o what_o we_o teach_v say_v he_o and_o do_v in_o this_o matter_n be_v to_o desire_v the_o saint_n in_o heaven_n to_o pray_v for_o we_o as_o we_o desire_v the_o prayer_n of_o one_o another_o upon_o earth_n and_o must_v we_o for_o this_o be_v compare_v to_o heathen_n do_v we_o not_o profess_v to_o all_o the_o world_n that_o we_o look_v upon_o the_o saint_n not_o as_o god_n but_o as_o the_o friend_n and_o servant_n of_o god_n that_o be_v as_o just_a man_n who_o prayer_n therefore_o be_v available_a with_o he_o where_o then_o lie_v the_o heathenism_n where_o lie_v the_o idolatry_n answ_n it_o lie_v in_o pray_v to_o they_o with_o mental_a prayer_n and_o in_o pray_v to_o their_o when_o they_o be_v as_o distant_a as_o be_v earth_n from_o heaven_n 353._o p._n 353._o but_o say_v t._n g._n the_o question_n at_o present_a between_o dr._n stillingfleet_n and_o the_o church_n of_o of_o rome_n 353._o p._n 353._o be_v not_o whether_o divine_a worship_n be_v to_o be_v give_v to_o the_o saint_n but_o whether_o a_o inferior_a worship_n of_o the_o like_a kind_n with_o that_o which_o be_v give_v to_o holy_a man_n upon_o earth_n for_o their_o holiness_n and_o near_a relation_n to_o god_n may_v not_o be_v lawful_o give_v to_o they_o 389._o p._n 389._o now_o they_o be_v in_o heaven_n and_o again_o we_o pray_v no_o otherwise_o to_o they_o than_o we_o do_v to_o holy_a man_n upon_o earth_n though_o more_o devout_o upon_o the_o account_n of_o their_o unchangeable_a estate_n of_o bliss_n answ_n this_o he_o do_v frequent_o affirm_v but_o till_o he_o can_v produce_v some_o instance_n of_o this_o practice_n of_o pray_v only_o with_o mental_a prayer_n to_o any_o man_n alive_a or_o of_o petition_n vocal_a direct_v unto_o live_a person_n at_o so_o great_a a_o distance_n his_o affirmation_n can_v be_v no_o better_o than_o a_o manifest_a untruth_n but_o this_o be_v a_o peculiar_a topick_n of_o which_o all_o those_o who_o vain_o do_v endeavour_v to_o excuse_v this_o idol_n worship_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v force_v to_o make_v use_n of_o viz._n to_o affirm_v her_o doctrine_n and_o practice_n not_o to_o be_v what_o certain_o it_o be_v and_o thence_o conclude_v she_o not_o to_o be_v guilty_a of_o that_o crime_n which_o can_v not_o be_v deny_v without_o this_o artifice_n again_o the_o question_n between_o we_o 173._o §_o 10._o p._n 173._o say_v the_o dr._n be_v not_o how_o far_o such_o wish_n rather_o than_o prayer_n be_v think_v allowable_a be_v utter_v occasional_o as_o st._n austin_n do_v 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