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A65699 A discourse concerning the idolatry of the Church of Rome wherein that charge is justified, and the pretended refutation of Dr. Stillingfleet's discourse is answered / by Daniel Whitby ... Whitby, Daniel, 1638-1726.; Stillingfleet, Edward, 1635-1699. 1674 (1674) Wing W1722; ESTC R34745 260,055 369

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sect._n 2._o the_o idolatry_n of_o this_o practice_n prove_v 1._o because_o it_o do_v ascribe_v unto_o they_o the_o knowledge_n of_o the_o heart_n and_o of_o our_o confession_n 2._o because_o prayer_n to_o a_o absent_a be_v be_v the_o oblation_n of_o that_o worship_n to_o it_o which_o be_v proper_a to_o god_n and_o so_o be_v vow_n and_o hymn_n sect._n 3.3_o because_o the_o apostle_n give_v we_o no_o precept_n or_o example_n so_o to_o do_v sect._n 4._o the_o sequel_n of_o this_o argument_n be_v confirm_v and_o the_o objection_n answer_v sect._n 5._o and_o the_o argument_n from_o miracle_n confute_v sect._n 6._o have_v lay_v down_o these_o proposition_n let_v we_o now_o view_v the_o doctrine_n and_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n which_o the_o trent_n council_n have_v deliver_v in_o these_o word_n viz._n 1._o viz._n mandate_n sancta_fw-la synodus_fw-la omnibus_fw-la episcopis_fw-la &_o clerieis_fw-la docendi_fw-la munuscurámque_fw-la sustinentibus_fw-la ut_fw-la fideles_fw-la diligenter_n instruant_fw-la docentes_fw-la eos_fw-la bonum_fw-la atque_fw-la utile_fw-la esse_fw-la suppliciter_fw-la eos_fw-la invocare_fw-la ad_fw-la eorum_fw-la orationes_fw-la opem_fw-la auxiliúmque_fw-la confugere_fw-la illos_fw-la verò_fw-la qui_fw-la negant_fw-la sanctos_fw-la aeterna_fw-la felicitate_a in_fw-la calo_fw-la fruentes_fw-la invocandos_fw-la esse_fw-la aut_fw-la qui_fw-la asserunt_fw-la eorum_fw-la ut_fw-la pro_fw-la nobis_fw-la singulis_fw-la orent_fw-la invocationem_fw-la esse_fw-la idololatricam_fw-la vel_fw-la pugnare_fw-la cum_fw-la verbo_fw-la dei_fw-la adversi_fw-la ique_fw-la honori_fw-la unius_fw-la mediatoris_fw-la dei_fw-la &_o hominis_fw-la jesus_n christi_fw-la vel_fw-la stultum_fw-la esse_fw-la in_o coele_fw-la regantibus_fw-la voce_fw-la vel_fw-la ment_fw-la suppli●are_fw-la impié_fw-fr sentire_fw-la st_n quis_fw-la autem_fw-la his_fw-la decretis_fw-la contraria_fw-la docuerit_fw-la aut_fw-la senserit_fw-la anath_n ma_fw-fr sit_fw-la sess_n 25._o c._n 1._o that_o it_o be_v good_a and_o profitable_a humble_o to_o invoke_v the_o saint_n and_o fly_v unto_o their_o prayer_n and_o help_v and_o that_o whosoever_o do_v deny_v that_o saint_n who_o do_v enjoy_v eternal_a happiness_n in_o heaven_n aught_o to_o be_v invoke_v or_o do_v assert_v that_o to_o entreat_v they_o to_o pray_v for_o any_o single_a person_n be_v idolatry_n or_o be_v
so_o frequent_a in_o those_o writer_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n which_o comment_n on_o the_o place_n mention_v these_o bless_a apostle_n be_v not_o so_o careful_a to_o prevent_v the_o error_n and_o mistake_v of_o heretic_n in_o this_o particular_a as_o be_v the_o doctor_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n they_o do_v not_o seem_v so_o tender_a of_o the_o invotion_n and_o worship_n of_o those_o bless_a spirit_n or_o so_o solicitous_a we_o may_v not_o loose_v so_o great_a a_o benefit_n as_o be_v those_o roman_a doctor_n which_o give_v we_o reason_n to_o conjecture_v not_o that_o their_o knowledge_n or_o their_o piety_n be_v less_o but_o that_o they_o do_v not_o very_o much_o approve_v that_o doctrine_n which_o give_v the_o rise_n unto_o this_o superstition_n of_o the_o romish_a church_n and_o so_o much_o for_o the_o first_o particular_a 2._o that_o both_o the_o jew_n and_o christian_n abstain_v from_o this_o practice_n because_o they_o do_v not_o think_v this_o honour_n to_o be_v due_a to_o angel_n but_o to_o god_n alone_o be_v evident_a from_o what_o we_o have_v discourse_v already_o to_o confirm_v this_o inference_n the_o apostle_n and_o evangelist_n leave_v we_o no_o precept_n or_o example_n to_o put_v up_o our_o petition_n to_o depart_a saint_n and_o therefore_o they_o conceive_v it_o the_o worship_n due_a to_o god_n alone_o 2_o have_v remove_v and_o take_v off_o those_o reason_n which_o the_o romanist_n assign_v of_o this_o neglect_n it_o follow_v that_o that_o reason_n must_v stand_v good_a which_o we_o assign_v at_o least_o till_o they_o can_v find_v a_o better_a with_o we_o consent_v the_o learned_a jew_n 1_o jew_n joseph_n albus_n l._n 3._o in_o icarim_n c._n 18._o idololatriam_fw-la primam_fw-la corum_fw-la fulsse_n existimans_fw-la qui_fw-la angelos_n &_o simile_n creaturas_fw-la ut_fw-la sequestres_fw-mi inter_fw-la se_fw-la at_o deum_fw-la colluissent_fw-la ait_fw-la deum_fw-la in_o decalogo_fw-la quando_fw-la ait_fw-la non_fw-la cru●t_fw-la tibi_fw-la dit_fw-fr a●ieni_fw-la ante_fw-la faciem_fw-la meam_fw-la id_fw-la voluisse_fw-la ne_fw-la homines_fw-la ullos_fw-la ponerent_fw-la sequestres_fw-mi aut_fw-la deprecatores_fw-la inter_fw-la se_fw-la &_o ipsos_fw-la vossiu_fw-la in_o maim_v de_fw-fr idolol_n c._n 2._o sect._n 1_o josephus_n albus_n suppose_v this_o worship_n of_o the_o angel_n as_o mediator_n betwixt_o god_n and_o we_o to_o be_v the_o most_o antique_a idolatry_n and_o locum_fw-la and_o fundamentum_fw-la mandati_fw-la de_fw-la idololatria_fw-la est_fw-la nequis_fw-la serviat_fw-la creaturae_fw-la non_fw-la angelo_n non_fw-la sphae●ae_fw-la non_fw-la stellae_fw-la quanquam_fw-la autem_fw-la be_v qui_fw-la ca_fw-mi colit_fw-la sciat_fw-la illa_fw-la non_fw-la esse_fw-la deum_fw-la ac_fw-la colat_fw-la creaturam_fw-la hanc_fw-la quomodo_fw-la coluit_fw-la euos_a &_o illius_fw-la coaetanei_fw-la nihilomi●us_fw-la est_fw-la idololatria_fw-la maim_v ibid._n maimonides_n sue_v definitione_n non_fw-la tantum_fw-la se_fw-la complecti_fw-la ait_fw-la eos_n qui_fw-la creaturis_fw-la cultum_fw-la exhibent_fw-la we_o deo_fw-la verum_fw-la qui_fw-la iis_fw-la supplicant_n ut_fw-la ministris_fw-la dei_fw-la diony_n vossius_fw-la in_o locum_fw-la maimon_n add_v that_o the_o foundation_n of_o the_o precept_n of_o idolatry_n be_v this_o that_o no_o man_n serve_v or_o worship_v any_o angel_n or_o create_v be_v as_o the_o foundation_n of_o our_o last_o evidence_n of_o that_o idolatry_n which_o be_v in_o this_o particular_a commit_v by_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n 9_o §._o 9_o we_o do_v premise_v 1._o that_o magic_n be_v that_o art_n of_o divination_n which_o in_o conversant_a about_o the_o revelation_n of_o thing_n contingent_a and_o conceal_v as_o v._o g._n touch_v the_o victory_n of_o contend_v party_n the_o future_a condition_n of_o the_o church_n etc._n etc._n the_o declaration_n of_o our_o future_a state_n fortune_n marriage_n death_n prosperity_n adversity_n and_o many_o other_o thing_n which_o it_o be_v very_o useful_a for_o mankind_n to_o know_v b._n alii_fw-la dicunt_fw-la hos_fw-la esse_fw-la effectus_fw-la bonorum_fw-la angelorum_fw-la delrio_n disq_fw-la mag._n l._n 2._o qu._n 2._o p._n 96._o b._n 2_o i_o premise_v that_o there_o be_v among_o the_o ancients_n a_o opinion_n that_o by_o the_o help_n of_o soul_n depart_v or_o good_a angel_n they_o may_v obtain_v the_o knowledge_n of_o thing_n contingent_a and_o conceal_v and_o hence_o that_o divination_n which_o they_o exercise_v who_o do_v pretend_v to_o know_v thing_n secret_a or_o contingent_a by_o their_o mean_n be_v call_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d or_o white_a magic_n in_o opposition_n to_o divination_n by_o evil_a spirit_n which_o they_o style_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d or_o black_a magic_n it_o be_v a_o very_a old_a opinion_n especial_o of_o the_o platonist_n of_o jamblick_a porphyry_n plotinus_n proclus_n and_o julian_n the_o apostate_n that_o divination_n be_v the_o effect_n of_o holy_a angel_n so_o b._n so_o disquis_fw-la mag._n l._n 2._o qu._n 2._o p._n 96._o b._n delrio_n 3_o delrio_n strom._n 3_o magician_n who_o observe_v angel_n and_o demon_n be_v careful_a to_o abstain_v from_o wine_n and_o venery_n and_o live_a creature_n so_o st._n clemens_n and_o 3._o i_o premise_v that_o this_o white_a magic_n be_v by_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n condemn_v as_o idolatry_n for_o such_o be_v all_o unlawful_a magic_n say_v 3._o say_v tacita_n idololatria_fw-la est_fw-la omnis_fw-la magia_n prohibita_fw-la belrio_fw-la l._n 1._o disqu_fw-la mag._n cap._n 1._o p._n 3._o col._n 3._o delrio_n whosoever_o exercise_v the_o art_n of_o divination_n or_o consult_v they_o that_o do_v it_o be_v guilty_a of_o have_v other_o god_n say_v 130._o say_v estius_n in_o sent._n 3_o do_v 4._o sect._n 6._o p._n 130._o estius_n because_o they_o attribute_v unto_o the_o creature_n what_o be_v god_n propriety_n viz._n the_o knowledge_n of_o thing_n future_a and_o which_o in_o nature_n have_v no_o certain_a cause_n but_o which_o depend_v upon_o the_o will_n of_o man_n or_o other_o thing_n which_o be_v mutable_a valentianus_n add_v that_o they_o affront_v his_o majesty_n by_o a_o vain_a expectation_n of_o those_o thing_n from_o creature_n which_o be_v to_o be_v expect_v only_o from_o god_n for_o god_n have_v say_v declare_v to_o we_o thing_n future_a that_o we_o may_v know_v that_o you_o be_v go_n the_o knowledge_n of_o thing_n future_a and_o contingent_a must_v be_v the_o knowledge_n proper_a unto_o god_n alone_o and_o again_o the_o procuration_n of_o the_o knowledge_n of_o thing_n hide_v or_o secret_a belong_v to_o divine_a worship_n for_o these_o be_v to_o be_v expect_v only_o from_o god_n by_o prayer_n and_o other_o lawful_a mean_n when_o therefore_o we_o expect_v they_o vain_o from_o the_o creature_n we_o do_v ascribe_v unto_o the_o creature_n that_o worship_n which_o be_v proper_o divine_a these_o thing_n premise_v 4._o i_o add_v that_o either_o this_o white_a magic_n must_v be_v lawful_a or_o else_o the_o invocation_n of_o saint_n and_o angel_n as_o it_o be_v practise_v in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n must_v be_v unlawful_a and_o guilty_a of_o idolatry_n either_o we_o vain_o do_v expect_v that_o they_o shall_v hear_v and_o understand_v our_o mental_a prayer_n and_o know_v the_o secret_n of_o our_o heart_n or_o the_o magician_n who_o do_v expect_v the_o knowledge_n of_o thing_n secret_a or_o contingent_a by_o those_o bless_a spirit_n can_v be_v just_o charge_v with_o idolatry_n for_o whatsoever_o the_o romanist_n pretend_v in_o vindication_n of_o the_o first_o do_v equal_o excuse_v and_o vindicate_v the_o second_o for_o if_o you_o do_v conjecture_v with_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n that_o the_o affection_n of_o those_o bless_a spirit_n to_o mankind_n be_v so_o exceed_v great_a that_o it_o will_v prompt_v they_o most_o assure_o to_o intercede_v in_o our_o behalf_n for_o other_o temporal_a concern_v to_o be_v our_o refuge_n and_o protector_n and_o to_o minister_v to_o the_o concernement_n both_o of_o this_o and_o of_o the_o future_a life_n why_o may_v we_o not_o conceive_v that_o the_o same_o love_n shall_v move_v they_o to_o declare_v those_o future_a thing_n which_o it_o do_v equal_o concern_v we_o to_o know_v both_o that_o we_o may_v obtain_v the_o great_a blessing_n and_o may_v be_v able_a to_o fly_v and_o to_o prevent_v the_o great_a peril_n or_o may_v prepare_v to_o bear_v those_o evil_n with_o a_o christian_a courage_n which_o we_o can_v escape_v when_o florentius_n have_v lose_v his_o cloak_n 424._o t._n g._n p._n 424._o and_o have_v not_o where_o withal_o to_o buy_v another_o by_o pray_v to_o the_o twenty_o martyr_n catch_v a_o fish_n with_o a_o gold_n ring_n in_o it_o sufficient_a i_o suppose_v to_o buy_v another_o caniw_o e_o doubt_v but_o when_o we_o lose_v a_o cloak_n that_o pray_v to_o all_o saint_n and_o angel_n some_o kind_a heart_a saint_n that_o perhaps_o in_o his_o life_n time_n lose_v his_o own_o and_o so_o must_v be_v suppose_v according_a to_o 4._o to_o part._n 3._o cap._n 2._o sect._n 4._o t._n g._n to_o be_v more_o ready_a than_o the_o rest_n to_o pity_v any_o