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A35667 Truth outweighing error, or, An ansvver to a treatise lately published by J.B. entituled, A confession of his faith and a reason of his practice, or, With who he can, and with who he cannot hold church-fellowship ... by John Denne ... J. D. (John Denne) 1673 (1673) Wing D1027; ESTC R11873 57,462 128

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Text saith no such thing and John Bunyan himself hath often acknowledged Baptism of Water to be an Holy Ordinance of Christ pag. 123. generally practised pag. 92. And then if one Baptism what other but that one viz. Baptism of Water so generally practised by all Disciples He will tell us the Baptism of the Spirit for by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body To which I answer The Baptism of the Spirit was not general and so could not be intended by one Baptism Secondly It is not meant in the aforesaid Text which saith by not with one Spirit for in truth those that are baptized with Water are by one Spirit in one Faith having one Hope in one Lord even one God and Father of all baptized with one viz. Water Baptism into one Body and Fellowship which ought therefore to be kept free from John Bunyan's mixture His Third Reason follows pag. 97. viz. I am bold therefore to have Communion with such because they also have the Doctrine of Baptisms I say the Doctrine of them For here you must note I distinguish between the Doctrine and Practice of Water-baptism c. they have the best of Baptisms the heart of Water-baptism the Doctrine of Water-baptism and want only the Sign the outward Circumstance which is forborn for want of Light Answ Oh Lord what delusions are here Righteous art thou in sending strong delusions upon them that receive not the love of the truth 2 Thess 2.10 11. John Bunyan hath received Baptism but what love he hath thereto appears by his words wherefore no marvel that his mind is blinded and his understanding darkned that he might believe lyes and deceive himself with fallacies as he doth in the aforementioned Reason where he tells us of some of his Proselytes that have the Doctrine of Baptism but do not practise it because they want Light therein What a Contradiction is this if they want Light they cannot have the Doctrine if they have the Doctrine they must have Light so far as to know it and therefore John Bunyan's distinction between the Doctrine and Practice of Water-baptism will nothing avail We readily allow that and oftentimes find that many have the Doctrine although not without light without the Practice whom it seems are such as John Bunyan is bold to have Communion with He may well say Bold for he hath no Scripture-warrant for it and it is a great boldness to adventure in Church-Communion beyond what is written yea contrary to what is written for our Saviour saith Luk. 12.47 He that knew his Lord's will that had the Doctrine of a Duty and prepared not himself to Practise neither did according to his will shall be beaten with many stripes And as such as neglect their duty are thus threatned so evil is declared to persecute those that teach men so and encourage them therein Matth. 5.19 wherein what John Bunyan may expect I wish him seriously to consider he seems pag. 122. to be conscious to himself that some might judge him guilty thereof whose mouths he would stop by his Equivocations c. but at the last day such things will stand in no stead Reas 4. I come now to his fourth Reason pag. 99. I am bold to hold Communion with visible Saints as aforesaid viz. unbaptized because God hath Communion with them whose Example in the case we are streightly Commanded to follow Receive you one another as Christ Jesus hath received you saith Paul Rom. 15.1 6. to the Glory of God yea though they be Saints of Opinions contrary to you though it goeth against the mind of them that are strong we that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak What Infirmities saith John Bunyan Those that are natural are incident to all they are infirmities then that are sinful all such infirmities are laid upon Christ pag. 100. wherefore vain man think not by the streightness of thy order in outward and bodily conformity to outward and shadowish Circumstances that thy peace is maintained with God for peace with God is by Faith in the blood of his Cross who hath born the reproaches and errors of you both Thou errest in a Substance he erreth in a Circumstance upon whom must these errors fall pag. 101. Must they for this be cast out of the Church No These are all yea those reproaches wherein the wisdom of Heaven is reproached are fallen upon Christ pag. 102. wherefore God hath received him Christ hath received him wherefore do ye receive him There is more solidity in this Argument than if all the Churches of God had received him Will any say we cannot believe that God hath received any but such as are baptized I will not suppose a Brother so stupified and therefore to that I will not answer Answ In the answer to this long Reason wherein John Bunyan hath run himself out of breath Consider first That those Scriptures alleaged by John Bunyan nothing concern the matter in hand for they were written to baptized persons by his own Confession pag. 92. as also appears by the Apostle's words Rom. 6.3 4. Secondly That receiving there spoken of doth not intend the receiving into Fellowship for that was already done but a holy reception in the bowels of love and tender-heartedness that so with one mind and with one mouth thy might glorifie God Chap. 15.6 whereto they are perswaded from the consideration of God's bounty and the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ extended to them Wherefore concerning unbaptized persons as the Apostle doth not speak of them or intend them in reference to Church-Communion I might now pass them by as being nothing concerned in those words of the Apostle aforementioned by John Bunyan But since he so much boasts of their Communion with God I will answer in the Apostle's words 1 Cor. 5.12 What have I to do to judge them that are without I shall leave them to the Judgment of God to whom they must either stand or fall only advising all such to make their Calling and Election sure 2 Pet. 1.10 not trusting to John Bunyan's words who would sow pillows under their arm-holes but walk according to the Rule of the Holy Scripture and then the Church will have Fellowship with them and God hath promised what they shall bind or loose on Earth Matth. 18. shall be bound or loosed in Heaven God himself hath great respect to his Church But to return If I should grant that God hath Communion with many of them is not John Bunyan strangely stupified as to reason from thence yea to account it an Argument of so great solidity that the Church ought therefore to have Communion with them Hath not God Communion wi●h many that the Church may not have Communion with The Apostle speaks Rom. 2.14 of some Gentiles which having not the Law were a Law unto themselves who did shew the work of the Law written in their hearts With such persons surely God had Communion for he did
5.11 They shall speak all manner of evil against you falsly for my Name 's sake Which to effect he is bold to affirm That Christians have been the cause of all the Judgments we have felt and do groan under It is no new thing the Heathens of old were of the same mind and thereby raised the Primitive persecutions and we see the Devil playeth the same Game now whereto I shall only say in the words of Michael Jud. 9. The Lord rebuke thee I come now to his 10th and last Reason pag. 128. Which is grounded partly upon the thoughts of the World and partly upon a supposed Condescention so far as to commit our Souls to the Ministry of unbaptized persons Whereto I shall answer As to the first We ought to obey God rather than to please men Act. 4.19 And as to the second I say wh●● we commit our Souls to such persons we 〈◊〉 then have Communion with them But at present I shall offer John Bunyan's own words pag. 133. It must be the prudence of every Community to preserve its own unity in peace and truth and not to suffer such confounded Doctrines as eat out the bowels of a Church Wherefore John Bunyan and his Doctrine ought to be exploded as a detected Gangrene encreasing unto more ungodliness 2 Tim. 2.18 For which purpose let us observe the Apostles advice 1 Thess 5.21 Try all things and hold fast that which is good The God of Heaven teach us by his Holy Spirit to try those things that differ and to approve what is most excellent Amen FINIS ERRATA Page 12. line 1. for the read that line 10 11. f. Author saith r. Author's faith P. 16. l. 4. r. of Christ P. 19. in the 2 last lines from pass to ought all to be left out until thou comest to line 18 of pag. 20. the Articles about Justification c. P. 20. l. 19. r. concerning P. 27. l. 24. f. obstinay r. obstinacy P. 43. l. 5. f therein I readily c. r. wherein I c. P. 44. the quotations p. 122 123. in l. 17. are to be applied to l. 13 14. P. 56. l. 13. r. instructi●● l. ult f. 1. Luke P. 63. l. 3. r. cannot but wonder Books Printed for Francis Smith at the Elephant and Castle near the Royal Exchange in Cornhil A New and Useful Concordance to the Bible with the chief Acceptations and various Significations contained therein Also marks to distinguish the Commands Promises and Threatnings with a Collection of those Scripture-Prophesies which relate to the Call of the Jews and the Glory that shall be in the latter dayes To which is now added near Nine Thousand Scriptures omitted in the former Edition with the Addition also of the Scripture-Similies and Synonimous Phrases Alphabetically digested With the Collection of the Names and Titles given to Jesus Christ and the Appellation given to the Church of God in the Scriptures Recommended to the studious Christian by Dr. Owen A Treatise of Baptism wherein that of Believers and that of Infants is examined by the Scriptures with the History of both out of Antiquity making it appear That Infants-baptism was not practised for 300 years nor enjoyned as necessary by the Popes Canons 400 years after Christ with the fabulous Traditions and Erroneous Grounds upon which it with Gossips Chrisoms Exorcisms Consignations Baptizing of Churches Bells and other Popish Rites are founded and that the famous Waldensian and old Brittish Churches and Christians witnessed against it with the Examination of the stories of Thomas Munster and John of Leyden Symptoms of Growth and Decay in Godliness in 80 signs of a Living and Dying Christian with the Causes of Decay and Remedies for Recovery The Schollar's Companion Or a little Library containing all the Interpretations of Hebrew and Greek words in the Bible both in Latine and English in great variety by means whereof the unlearned may easily attain unto the knowledge of the Holy Scriptures in their Original Tongues a Work very useful for every useful Christian Truth 's Champion wherein are made plain these particulars First That Christ died for all Of his Power given out to all Of Election Of Predestination Of Baptism c. The Copy of which Book was found hid in an old Wall near Colchester in Essex Scripture-Redemption freed from Men's Restriction being the substance of several Conferences about the Death of our Dear Redeemer and the Controversies which are the Constant Concomitants of it The Mystery of Astronomy made plain to the meanest Capacity by an Arithmetical Description of the Coelestial and Terrestrial Globes by way of Questions and Answers The Wonderful Works of God from the Earth his Footstool to the Throne of Heaven with Divine Observations on every part The Popish Labyrinth wherein is made manifest that the Papists are intangled in the Fundamental Articles of their Faith that the Church cannot Err Written in Dutch by that Holy and Learned man Dr. Simon Episcopius To which is added The Life and Death of the Author