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A08773 Two briefe treatises The one containing matter of perswasion and expostulation concerning catechisme with certaine positions of like consideration. The other, touching peace betweene the minister and his people: as likewise the lawfulnesse, and dutie of the ministers presenting (if need require) outward disobedience vnto his ministerie. C. P., fl. 1616. 1616 (1616) STC 19059; ESTC S120093 15,965 59

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TWO BRIEFE TREATISES The one containing matter of Perswasion and Expostulation concerning CATECHISME With certaine Positions of like consideration The other touching Peace betweene the Minister and his People As likewise the lawfulnesse and dutie of the Ministers Presenting if need require outward disobedience vnto his Ministerie LVKE 19.39 40. And some of the Pharisees which were of the companie said vnto him Master Rebuke thy Disciples But he answering said vnto them If these hold their peace the stones shall crie LONDON Printed by W. Stansby for William Butler and are to be sold at his shop in S. Dunstanes Church-yard in Fleetstreet 1616. TO MY GODLIE AND REVEREND BRETHREN of the MINISTERIE Grace and Mercie from GOD in CHRIST HAuing by speciall occasion and for the vse of mine owne laboured this little thing supposing some other rurall Congregations also might not be vnlike and it comming to the sight of some of my friends of greater learning and iudgement by farre then my selfe and thought not vnfit to goe abroad for winning in people if God so blesse it more willing obedience vnto this Exercise yea and some little incitation vnto some of y●● my Brethren with leaue be it spoken slumbering I know not how yes by a sole estimation as I iudge of the maruellous indeede Diuine and most excellent Exercise of publike Preaching the glorie thereof by much and often beholding hauing dazeled your eyes for farre be it from any hauing the spirit of Christ to say or thinke this Chaire is base and below mine honour where the chiefest in the Church may sit with grace and grauitie this thing weake and beneath my strength wherein the tallest and strongest may goe deepe vnto his length in the neglect of this dutie diuine also and such as making the beautie of Preaching the more to shine the profit of Preaching the more to spread very kindly and comely as mother and daughter or friend with friend may go together I commend it to your godly consideration and my selfe to your charitable opinion seeking herein nothing else but the best welfare of you and yours and praying for the same vnto Him who hauing loued vs so as laying down his life for our sakes and looking for this very fruit of our loue towards him againe saith vnto euery Peter Feede Feede not my Sheepe onely but also my Lambes euen with this Milke at the first as fittest for them Your willing though weake fellow-laborer in the worke of the Ministerie C. P. Faults escaped PAge 2. in the margent adde l. 2. Esai 65. 1. l. 5. Prou. 1.24 l. 7. Iohn 8.40 p. 7. l. 23. for hardly knowne reade vtterly vnknowne p. 9. l. 9. in the marg adde Athanas in Symbol operum Tom. 2. p. 10. l 16. for If reade Of p. 15. l. 24 for to a plentifull reade to a plentifull p. 16. l. 1. for ble reade ble p. 20. l. 10. for Examinants reade Example p. 31. l. 4. for bee reade bee p. 33. l. 6. for Ministers reade Ministers without comma p. 34. l. 24. for truth reade truth p. 35. l. 12 for one reade one without comma l. 18. in marg Ezech. 3.19 p. 36. l. 21. for Ministerie reade Ministerie p. l. 4. for this reade thease l 19. for Church reade Church p. 39. l. 4. for or reade by p. 42. l. 8. marg for 2. Cor. 2. reade 2. Cor. 4.2 p. 43. l. 8. marg for Psal 100. reade Psal 110. p. 46. l. 22. marg for Iere. 24. reade Iere. 23. p. 49. l. 5. put out and. l. 22. for a reade and. p. 50. l. 1. reade euen the soule p. 51. l. 23 for 23.26 reade 20.26 in the margent A BRIEFE TREATISE CONTAINING matter of Perswasion and Expostulation concerning CATECHISME With certaine Positions of like consideration THat the first sinne and vnlawfull desire of passing diuine knowledge procured by the Deuill hath brought into our nature through Gods just judgement in punishing by the contrarie not Ignorance alone but the bondage a 2. Cor. 3.17 of ignorance if we were ignorant the wilfull ignorance of manie in the things of God especially most lowdly proclaymeth it And in this are three degrees first an indisposition or no inclination of our selues to seeke the truth Secondly a declination to winde away from truth when the same is offered and thirdly an opposition and ciuile warre against the truth The sinne and shame hereof being so much the greater as that wee all must confesse that the Vow of Baptisme to renounce the Deuill and his Kingdome of ignorance is to the contrarie For we here speake not of professed Infidels but of Christians so called and yet refusing instruction for Christian knowledge Against whome as a weake and vnworthie Minister in this Church yet willing by Gods grace to instruct mine owne and here as speaking to mine owne I thus reason first in the words of Christ Which of you can rebuke me of sinne And he here meaneth it as I also doe and must of necessitie of falsehood which is the sinne of Doctrine But if I teach you the truth why doe yee not beleeue b Ioh. 8.46 it or at least embrace the knowledge of it But as the Iewes oppressed with the light and euidence of truth and so vrged indeede to yeeld their subjection to Christ and the Deuill on the contrarie to hold his owne pulling them backe and putting in their mindes and mouthes to call for his authoritie asked him saying By what authoritie doest thou these things and who gaue thee this authoritie c Math. 21.23 As seeming if this might appeare they would then giue place for truth indeed taught by authoritie hath great power to perswade if grace be not vtterly banished out of the heart so the people in this striuing and strugling against the obedience of publike CATECHISME the truth therein taught hauing vanquished their thoughts seeke here to breake loose speaking thus in effect and almost in verie words against their Teachers What authoritie haue they to compell vs to this And why should they bring vs vnder their girdle To whome I answere in manner almost as Christ there of Iohn his Baptisme for defence of himselfe Authoritie The Authoritie of the Church to command and compell her children as in this shee doth d Can. 59. for the good of their soules is it not from Heauen Is it not from Christ Who hath all power giuen him in Heauen and in Earth e Math. ●8 18 saying vnto Peter and the rest of the Apostles and in them to the whole Church and namely the Gouernours thereof To thee will I giue the keyes of the kingdome of Heauen whatsoeuer thou shalt bind on Earth shall be bound in Heauen and whatsoeuer thou shalt loose on Earth shall be loosed in Heauen f Math. 16.19 And if this preuaile not with them I leaue them to that number which say in the Psalme Let vs breake their bonds asunder Psal 2.3 and cast away their
ouer Israel and therefore will I play before the Lord and will yet bee more vile then thus and will hee low in mine owne eyes ſ 2. Sam. 6.21.22 So let Gods Minister say I this do and suffer this euen slanders reproach and open contempt sometimes to the face for my loue and thankefulnesse sake to Christ Who hath made mee strong t 1. Tim. 1.4 being at first weake yea weakenesse it selfe and euen dead to this worke and afterwardes also most insufficient of my selfe To thinke any thing for the duties of my holy calling as of myselfe but my sufficiencie is of God who hath made mee a meete minister of the New Testament t 2. Cor. 3.5 and counting mee faithfull hath put mee in his seruice u 1. Tim. 1.12 royall seruice to helpe rule his people as one of those of whom the Prophet speaketh ioyning them with Christ the true Dauid and King of Israel Behold sayth hee a King shal raigne iustly and the Princes what Princes poore Princes his weake despised Ministers according to men yet armed and adorned with the dignitie and authoritie of their high and holy calling shall beare rule rightfully x Isa 32. ● purely and sincerely giuing true name to euerie sinne and sinner not calling the niggard liberall y Isa 32.9 not flattering any not fearing the faces of the mightie z Ierem. 1.17.18 Ezeck● 2. ● not seeking the vaine prayse a Th●s 2.6 and despising the disprayse of the world not creeping to gaine by coloured couetousnes b 1. Thes 2.5 but casting off the cloakes of shame walk not in craftinesse neither handle they the word of God deceitfully but in declaration of the truth approue themselues vnto euerie mans conscience in the sight of God c 2. Cor. 4. ● bearing rule I say thus rightfully and therefore also thus mightily to kill and quicken d 2. Cor. 2.16.17 to saue and destroy to giue sight to them that see not and make blind them that see e Joh. 9.39 to bind and loose f Math. 18.19 to subdue and lead captiue some to the obedience of Christ though neuer so strongly defending their forts to holde their owne neuer so highly exalted in their thoughts against the knowledge and acknowledging of Christ and hauing ready vengeance against all others vtterly g 2. Cor. 10.4.5.6 disobedient euen so in the Regeneration h Math. 19 28. when first their high Lord and King being risen from the dead vnto life immortall and euen so new borne i Act. 13.33 according to that generation which none can declare k Isa 53.8 as vnable to reach the length of duration and eternitie thereof shall sit in the throne of his glorie l Math. 19.28 and shall send forth euen by them the rodde or scepter of his power m Psa 100.2 the Gospell preached the power of God and his arme reuealed vnto saluation First out of Sion Ierusalem the Church of the Iewes into the Church Vniuersall to call his Elect to quicken them in Christ the Resurrection and the life n Ioh 11.25 to be new creatures old things being past and all things being becom new o 2. Cor. 5.17 sitting on twelue thrones with no lesse or greater glory then the Kings of the earth making them also to tremble p Act. 24.26 iudging and ruling by their Word and Doctrine for the effectuall worke sake of this regeneration also and during the time state of this regeneration the twelue Tribes of Israel euen the whole Church of God till hauing at last ouercome al aduersarie power by the power of their head euen the Lord Christ Iesus they shall sit with him in his throne of glorie euen as hee ouercame and sitteth with his father in his throne q Reu. 3.21 Loe this is mine honour vpon earth and this my hope of honour in heauen who was nothing yea lesse and worse then nothing and therefore in all things will I shew my selfe zealous before the Lord and if for his sake and seruice more reproach and contempt must needes come on I will be more vile and will bee low still yea lower and lower in mine owne eyes And I speake the more and more willingly for this part of duetie to bee embraced by the godly Minister because all other meanes fayling for outward comfort this alone in a good conscience may lay a good foundation for his patience and constancie in the workes of his calling And this much being vttered by way of digression vpon this clause of limitation if need require let vs now returne to the reasons for constraint and compulsiue obedience to the meanes of saluation The first whereof is properly the respect of his good against whom proceedeth this information tending wholly to this end euen his godly reformation but will some say how can that well bee when he hath no good will I answere that bee it so that hee haue not yet compelled to the meanes I say hee may haue yea and I also maintaine not a possibilitie onely but a probability First from the largenesse and generalitie of vocation I meane outward extended and offered not onely vnto all of his goodnesse Who willeth all men to bee saued and come vnto thee knowledge of the truth r 1. Tim. 2.4 whether Grecian or Iew Circumcision or vncircomcision Barbarian Scythian Male Female Bond Free ſ Col. 3.11 Gal. 3.28 but likewise vnto all times and seasons by continuance t 2. Tim. 2.25 and the length of time euen the last houre of life For euen then the thiefe vpon the Crosse receyued the grace of conuersion u Luk. 23.41.42.43 Secondly from the power of the means ordayned by God x Luk. 16.31 Whether we here speake of the preaching of the Worde or of the singular maiestie and reuerence euen in the outward face of obedience in the publike Assembly and Congregation for of the one namely the sincere and reuerend preaching of the Word of GOD What saith the Prophet or rather the Lord himselfe by the Prophet is not my word euen like fire and like an hammer which breaketh the stone y Ierem. 2● 29 and of the other S. Paul reporteth thus If all saith he prophesie and hee speaketh of publike prophecie interpretation and preaching in the Congregation and there come in one that beleeueth not or one vnlearned and I adde an vnwilling person and compelled to bee in place hee is rebuked of all by example of the willing obedience of all and is iudged of all that is the more discerned how froward and stubberne he is so that by the contrary example I say himselfe may the sooner see it and the sinne of it and be ashamed one being so censured of many And so it may bee that the secrets of his heart euen his hidden grace and repentance not appearing before will bee made manifest and so he