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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A85827	A discours apologetical; wherein Lilies lewd and lowd lies in his Merlin or Pasqil for the yeer 1654. are cleerly laid open; his shameful desertion of his own cause is further discovered; his shameless slanders fullie refuted; and his malicious and murtherous mind, inciting to a general massacre of Gods ministers, from his own pen, evidentlie evinced. Together with an advertisement concerning two allegations produced in the close of his postscript. And a postscript concerning an epistle dedicatorie of one J. Gadburie. By Tho. Gataker B.D. autor [sic] of the annotations on Jer. 10.2 and of the vindication of them.	Gataker, Thomas, 1574-1654.	1654 (1654)	Wing G319; Thomason E731_1; ESTC R202124	96,485	112

wil never beleiv that the Tree to wit the Church of Rome and its Superstitious Orders of Moncks and Friers is corrupted in the Root Heart and Substance which brings forth such heavenlie fruits For as for what he solemnlie professeth elswhere that he bleeds in his spirit and is ashamed of his companie as if we belyed the Papists when he hears such things asserted in Pulpits by persons non infimae Classis as he saith are fancie-formed pictures and antick shapes falling foul with his cleer knowledge Those he instances in ar some of them too tru as that Papists beleiv to be saved by their own Merits which do in truth exclude Christs that the Common people among them pray most commonlie in a language they understand not that all ordinarie Papists tho the all is in likelyhood an addition of his own worship Images as their gods yet himself elswhere confesseth that their great Doctors Thom. of Aqine Bellarmine resolv that Christs Image and the Crucifix may be adored with worship du to God alone and that the ignorant Spaniards men and women yong and old and of all sizes counted their old worm-eaten Images their Countrey gods Some ar credible enough as that the Pope should dispense with Priests and Jesuits to r●cant and joyn with the Ministers of England to reduce Protestants the more convenientlie to his Religion which may the rather be beleived of those who ar not ignorant of their Doctrine of Eqivocation and their hellish Practices of Devilish Designs either personallie acted or approved and extolled by them as himself elswhere acknowledgeth And how can he clearlie out of his knowledge as he saith cleer the Pope in this particular to which hed might be referred what elswhere he saith runs among the people for a truth that there ar or were latelie Jesuits in our Armie that preached there which report himself who knows Popish affairs motions and contrivements in a large measure and in holie Truth more then manie think him to know the truth whereof we shal without putting him to his corporal Oath easilie beleiv and then some would have him to know doth faithfullie beleiv to be the most malicious and most damnable fals invention of the seething-scalding-burning-fier-hot-hearted Genevensis For now he is in his Ruf. Lastlie others of them may wel be deemed Fittons of his own framing as that to let others pass that comes in last to bring up the rereward that no Professors of chastitie live chastlie among them and that all of that Religion ar bloodilie minded Of both which howsoever experience and proof have upon publike Records left evidence sufficient not to run out far abroad in Queen Maries daies here and of later time in Ireland to prov the truth concerning an over-great partie of them yet is it not probable that anie of note would in so general terms avow He confesseth indeed as infalliblie certain that there ar corruptions among Papists both of Doctrine and Manners and scandals consequentlie ensuing But this he puts off with a necessitie of scandals in all Churches and no Angelical perfection to be expected in anie And as Spalatensis sometime used to distinguish between the Court of Rome and the Church of Rome So he would have the world he saith to understand that he now understands the difference between the Doctrines which pride and private interest have publiklie raised in the Church of Rome and which ar not destructiv of its being a Church as the sins and errors of the Pharisees destroyed not the Chair of Moses and the Doctrine of the Church of Rome lineallie descended from Apostolical Antiqitie or included virtuallie in their seed and root And where he prosesseth faithfullie to render an account of his Faith He subjoyns at the close of it hitherto I have said nothing but what a knowing Papist wil saie And therefore our Pulpits and the ears of our people have been abused by the devils Janizaries But wil you further see how he would enforce upon us a necessitie of repairing to Rome for the sure founding of our Faith There is another work of his wherein that Confession of his Faith is contained but which I know not how to term nor himself it seems wel neither For not unlike to that Riddle of Panarceus related by Athenaeus out of Clearchus his book of Riddles and enlarged by H. Stevens and some others concerning a blinking Eunuch who spying a Flittermous hanging on a Ferula or Fennel giant as some term it threw at it with a Pumice but missed it 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 A man no man seeing and not seeing a bird no bird sitting and not sitting on a tree no tree threw at it and threw not at it with a stone no stone He accordinglie intitles this his partlie English partlie Latine Discours A Sermon and no Sermon preached and not preached in a Church and not a Church to a people and not a people wherein his first Alarm to his Brethren of the Presbyterie being his Brethren and not his Brethren But in this Rhapsodie give it what name you or himself shal please he hath by piece-meal with divers interlocutions in English to his Plebeian Auditorie given out a Discours or Debate of a great difficultie which he saith forsooth he delivers in Latine because he had a secret to tel the Scholar in his ear the main scope whereof in the first place bendeth it self unto this that our English Translation of the Bible cannot afford a meer English man anie good ground to build his Faith upon This the rather to bring about he scoffs first at the work which he termeth in plain English a dispirited Translation then he fals foul on those Reverend pious and lerned Ministers of Gods Word employed in it of whom he passeth this verdict Personas qibus spiritum divinum ne dicam affingere sed non audemus affigere qorumque filios ex lu●o vario versatili conflatos videmus ad omnia paratos pro mutata rerum facie I give you his own words and will leav them to himself to English Onelie thus much English anie weak Grammar Scholar may pick out of them that the persons made use of in that Translation were such as we cannot so much as fain much less dare to affirm that they had the Spirit of God in them and that by their children as he terms hem we may see what they were to wit men made up of such clay as might be easilie moulded and wrought into anie shape whatsoever as being readie to admit anie new impression as the state and face of the times and things shall alter and change A wicked and wretched censure most uncharitablie and unchristianlie passed upon persons of well-known piety and approved integritie and whose courses and cariages divers of them have evidently evinced the contrarie and it may well be deemed as him self saith elsewhere to return him his

own words alios ex suo judicat ingenio that by his own disposition he judgeth of them But what is the cours then that a meer English man must take for the sure grounding of his Faith yea not a meer English man onelie but any lerned or unlerned Pastor or People for that which he beats upon and drives at as well in his English Discours as in his Latin Debate concerneth as wel Teachers as people taught and extendeth it self unto anie Translation not our English alone and Interpretation also whatsoever It is this By adhering to a Church of sound learning and sufficient autoritie such autoritie as may reasonablie put a stop to controversies that he may be able producing the autoritie of such a known Church to lay his hand upon the Book and say This is the Original And to this purpose he professeth reverentlie to imbrace those Preachers who are deeplie founded upon the sense and sentence of the Holie Ghost speaking by the Church and that the reason why the Doctrine of the Fathers is deemed tru not because found agreeable to Gods word the rule whereby the Apostles were content to have their Doctrine tried but why then because it was the Doctrine of the tru Church in which and of which they were Such a Church belike as neither did nor could hold anie error And he concludes therefore in another of his Works that when we have done what men can do if the Interpreters of Scripture be not spirited with the same Spirit to wit of Infallibilitie with which the Writers thereof were spirited they shall never give spiritual and secure judgement proportionablie to the Prophetical and Apostolical Spirit yea infalliblie if it be not moreover infalliblie known that they are divinelie spirited they cannot inbreath into us such knowledg that shal qiet and allay our exasperated and troubled hearts and this the subtil Doctor Scotus binds with an infallible reason No man perfectly and firmlie beleivs him let him be Interpreter of the words or sense of whom he knows he can deceiv or be deceived in such things as having no securitie of Direction from the gracious and manifest promise of God Now what doth all this drive to but that no man learned or unlearned can have anie firm ground whereon to fix his faith but by recours and adherence to a Church that is infalliblie known to be generallie infallible And what Church he must of necessity mean and intend I shall not need to tell anie that knows ought in the Controversies between Rome and us For the truth is no particular Church since the Apostles dayes nay nor in their time save as it was from time to time directed and informed by some one of them surviving either ever had or ever did or durst that appears lay claim to anie such priviledge of a general Infallibilitie the presumptuous and groundless challenge of the Modern Romish Church by virtu forsooth of the Popes late introduced Autoritie onelie excepted And what this Design then drives to anie one that hath but half an ey may easilie disery Yea but the Difficultie he saith was never before propounded that he ever found or heard by anie Church or person in such manner and making such an assault as he doth here That he hath indeed herein exceeded all other Writers for ought I know even the Papists themselves I shall readilie condescend unto him For howsoever the Romanists and Popish Doctors hold that the Pope some of them a General Council other of them cannot erre in determining ought concerning matter of Faith or Life yet none of them that I ever read or heard of affirm that either Church or Pope can Infalliblie determine wheresoever there are anie various readings in the Hebrew or Greek Text or wheresoever anie word in either is ambiguous neither making anie material or momentous difference which is the right reading or ●hich the genuine sense of the word which yet Degree of Infallibilitie this ●an necessarilie reqires as that without which no firm footing or sure ground for our Faith can be found Yea but his Will-strong Objector he saith sayes that the proposal of his Difficultie induceth to Atheism and this contradicts what I here say and others it seems before me have said for if it put to the Church of Rome how induceth it to Atheism which denies both God and Church Sir I make no doubt but that manie Points and Practises in Poperie when the absurdity of them comes to be discovered and the end discried for which they were at first introduced and are still stiflie maintained induce millions unto Atheism For example When people shall be told that the Pope for the time being is Christs Vicar General to rule and govern the whole Christian Church and that there is no certain and infallible way of determining doubts in the Christian Religion but by recours unto him and shall withal consider what maner of creatures manie of the Popes themselvs have been will it not think we indeed instead of pulling to Rome which yet is the main drift of it push rather to Atheism to hear or read it consequentlie maintained that insanus juvenis a mad Lad not above eighteen yeer old at most such as Baronius reports John the twelfth to have been yea p●er fermè decennis a boy of about ten as Rhodolphus Glaber of Benet the ninth or one that lives so loosly and lewdlie that he is not undeservedlie deemed if not to denie yet at the least and best not to believ those two main Articles of the Creed the Resurrection of the dead and Life eternal as Bellarmine himself acknowledgeth of John the 23. or one that accounts and calls the Story of the Gospel Fabulam Christi a Tale of Christ as Jerome that piece of Apocrypha Fabulam Tobiae the Tale of Tobias which of Leo the 10. Bale testifies to be the Supreme Judge of all Controversies in the Church and his Dictates such as are to be received by the whole Christian World as undoubtedlie tru and unfalliblie right in all things concerning either Faith or Life and of divers other Popish Tenets and Practises as of Transubstantiation the Popes Indulgences and Dispensations c. the like may be averred But to answer you in few words That which tends to the utter subversion of mens faith by endeavouring to introduce an utter uncertaintie of that which is the onelie sure ground of their faith without such a help as is no where to be had doth it not pave a plain and prone path unto Atheism But so doth that which you here propose beyond in some sort as your self confess what anie Romanist ever did For to make men not sillie people onelie but even the lernedst of them utterly uncertain of the genuine sense of Scripture and Gods Oracles more ambiguous then Apollo Loxias dark Riddles and Heraclitus 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 his Dictates were you tell