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A15781	A briefe treatise in which, is made playne, that Catholikes liuing and dying in their profession, may be saued, by the iudgement of the most famous and learned Protestants that euer were. Agaynst a minister [N.E.] who in his epistle exhorteth an honourable person, to forsake her ancient Catholike Roman Religion, & to become one of his new-found-out Protestant congregation.	Wright, William, 1563-1639.	1623 (1623)	STC 26044; ESTC S103083	31,010	52

A BRIEFE TREATISE IN WHICH Is made playne that Catholikes liuing and dying in their Profession may be saued by the Iudgment of the most Famous and Learned Protestants that euer were Agaynst a Minister N. E. who in his Epistle exhorteth an Honourable Person to forsake her ancient Catholike Roman Religion to become one of his new-found-out Protestant Congregation Deut. 32. Vers 31. Et Inimici nostri sunt Iudices Our Enemies also are Iudges Permissu Superiorum M. DC XXIII THE PREFACE Contayning certaine Considerations as well for better vnderstāding the drift of this Treatise as for auoyding all cauills and answearing such Obiections as might be made against this Grand Protestant Iury. The Zuinglians are to be nūbred say the Lutherans with th● Anabaptists Nestorians Turkes And againe The Zuinglians call the Lutherās Eutichians and ouerthrowers of many articles of faith Iezler de Diuturnit Bell. Euchar. pag. 78. Stancarus All the Churches which those men call Reformed by the Ghospell and the Sonne of God hold the faith of Geneua Zuricke concerning Christ are Ariās neyther cā this he denyed which I haue aboue demonstrated So he de Trinit c. 8. Sturmius By these hatefull dissentions peruerse opinions the foundatiōs of our Religion are ouerthrowne the chiefest articles are called in question many heresies are brought into the Church of Christ and the high way to Mahometisme Atheisme is apparently prepared Agayne The Lutherans saith he do hold the Protestant Caluinian Churches of England France Flanders and Scotland for hereticall their Martyr● for martyrs of the diuell De ration Cōcord ineund l. ● p. 2. 24. FOR the better vnderstanding of what we are about to handle in this Treatise we must obserue first that the maine drift and scope therof is to shew how it is farre better and more secure to liue dye a Catholike in the Romaine Church then a Protestant in what Congregation soeuer not only because one of them doth condemne the other for Schismatickes and Heretikes as vncapable of saluatiō but also because Catholickes doe neuer affirme that Protestants liuing and dying Protestans may be saued not for want of charity in Catholickes as some doe cauill seing they desire nothing more thē the saluation of all but for want of true faith in Protestants without the which it is impossible to please God whereas Protestāts doe not deny that comfort to any vertuons Romaine Catholike so that for the saluatiō of ●or that brea●● saith D. Whyte amōg vs Protestants ōly toucheth some particular mē in matters not cō●erning f●yth ●n the way pag. 13● Rog●rs in his Preface to the booke of Articles Willet Antilog pag. ●5 20. D Georg Abbot against Hill p. 101. 102. D. Doue In matters of religiō we all agree Persuas p. 3● And if they do not agree in on faith ●ow ●● they be the true Church which is but o●e hath only one Lord one Faith one Baptisme Ephes ● C●ntic 6. 8. My doue is one Symbolum Constant O●e holy Catholy●●● and Apostolicall Church Cal. l 4 inst c ● ● ● See Suarez dis● de Ecc Sect. 4 ● ● l. de fide spe c. Catholickes we haue not only the beliefe of Catholickes themselues but also the iudgement of most Famous and Learned Protestants who teach the same eyther expressely or at least in such tearmes as with the help of their owne brethrē with whom they are sayd to agree at least in all materiall points may sufficiently be proued and in this sense are to be vnderstood the verdicts of all those which may seeme not to be so full and sufficient as the other in this Grand Protestant Iury. As for example Zanchius and other Protestants affirme that the Roman Church as yet is the Church of God Here in expresse words is not auerred that those who liue and die well in this Church may be saued which neuerthelesse according to the common doctrine of Catholikes doth plainly inough imply the possibility of saluatiō to all those who are members of such a Church For if they cannot be saued in the Church of God which is but one where els should they seeke for theyr saluation Or if they cannot but be damned in the Church of God M. Cartright I doubt not but diuers fathers of the Greeke Church who were great Patrones of Free-will are saued M. Sparke discoursing of the honoring of Saints Reliques prayer for the dead saith VVe are not so hasty to pronoūce sentence of condemnation of any for such errors Acontius cōcerning the Reall presence Both those that deny it and those that doe hold it are in the way of Saluation Cōcerning Transubstantiatiō D. Luther writeth thus Bread wyne are not in th● Sacramēt of the Aultar but the shewes or accidents of bread and wyne for the bread is changed into the true and naturall body of Christ the wyne into the true and naturall bloud of Christ Serm. de Euch. Concerninge receauing vnder one or both kinds there is no commaundment saith D. Luther Concerning the Pope● Supremacy about it saith D. Luther he is to be borne with all Melancton teacheth how his Monarchy is profitable Concerning Satisfaction It was an error in the holy Fathers saith D. Whitaker yet notwithstanding they were good men and holy Fathers Did not Iohn H●●se that worthy Champion of Christ saith M. Francis Iohnson other martyrs of foretymes heare say Masse euen to their dy●●g day c. Did not also diuerse of them acknowledge some the Popes calling an● Supremacy some 7. Sacraments some ●uricular Confession And Benedict Morgenstern These things were pardonable in the Godly who held the Pope to be the Vicar of Christ and head of the Church the Papacy for the Church Saintes for mediators and the Masse for the Supper of the Lord. See the Protest Apol. pag. 471. 684. You may find aboue three score pointes of Catholicke Doctrine taught by learned Protestants through all the seauenth Section how doth such an assembly deserue to be stiled the Church of God and not rather the Synagogue of Sathan But if Zanchius or any other call the Church of Rome the Church of God although it haue some damnable errous which hinder the professors therof from their saluation I hope by clearing those imagined errours from being any such barres out of Zanchius his owne learned brethren euery one may inferre that Zanchius with the help of his brethren Protestants affoardeth saluation to all Catholickes liuing well and dying in the Church of Rome The helps which we haue out of learned Protestants be these To wit that neyther the beliefe of free will prayer to saints the reall presence trāsubstātiatiō receauing vnder one or both kinds worshipping of Images the Popes supremacy and the monarchy of the B. of Rome satisfaction merit of good workes priuate Masse seauē Sacramēts or any such taught by the Roman Church doe hinder any from being capable of their

quite opposite to that which they giue out of the essentiall notes and markes of their church which is the pure preaching of the Word and the true administration of the Sacraments which to make inuisible were rather to be thought the dreames of mad men and bedlams thē the solid and sound doctrine of such great Rabbins and Doctors who for their supposed vertue learning would rather be accounted wise Sages by the commō people yea to be stiled Reformers forsooth and that of the true church of God frō whence we may cōclude that if there be no entry into lyfe vnlesse as M. Caluin saith the visibl● Chur●h like a Mother conceaue vs in her wombe vnles she bring vs forth vnles she feede vs with her breasts finally vnles she keepe vs vnder custody and gouernment vntill such tyme as be●ng vncloathed of mortall flesh we shal be like vnto Angels and noe other visible church can be assigned since christs tyme but the church of Rome as we haue seen we must needes inferre that as all whosoeuer haue been saued hitherto for all that tyme were members of the Romaine church euen so all those who desire to arriue to the happy hauē of Heauen hereafter must liue well dy● in that church otherwise they are neuer like to be partakers of that vnspeakable ioy which is the saluation of their owne soules and to liue with God for euer 3. Herehence for better vnderstāding of M. Caluin his verdict saying When God hath left his Cou●nant in France Ita●y Germany Spayne England since these Pro●inces haue byn oppressed with the tyrany of Antichrist whom he sayth is the Pope sitting in the Church of God yet that this Couenant might remayne inuio●able first he there preserued baptisme the testimony of his Couenant we gather that the Verdict which is set downe for him to wit that the Couenant of God hath remayned with them inuiolable to be most true for seing according to that of M. Caluin all those who were hitherto saued could not attayne their saluation but in the visible Church which was and is only the Church of Rome as we haue seene out of M. Nappier it followeth that in her the Couenāt of God could not but be kept inuiolable Againe if the Couenant of God was to be kept inuiolable in any company especially in that which is the Church of Christ the Sanctuary and Temple of God Serauia also wil help M. Caluins Verdict who saith That the Couenant of God to this day doth remaine in the latyn Church In defens l. de gratia Minist pag. 31. As concerning the baptizing of the ch●drē o● Catholiks how they are cōteyned within the Couenat Se the Protest Apol. Tract 1. Sect. 6. p. 172. 173. 174. M. Caluin It is therfore called Catholicke or Vniuersall because we cannot find two or three Churches but that Christ must b● torne in sunder which cannot be done l. 4. c. 1. n. 2. But betwixt the yeare of Christ 300. 316. the Antichristian Papisticall raigne beg●n raigning vniuersally without any debatable ●ontradiction for 1260. yeares last past before Luther So M Napp●er vpon the Reuel propos 37. pag. 68. And no other can be assigned to haue had this vniuersality therfore she is the only true Church of Christ but M. Caluin enobleth the church of Rome with all these titles therfore we may well conclude in his iudgmēt that the couenant of God was kept inuiolable in the Church of Rome Moreouer if Antichrist who is the Pope according to Caluin doth sit in the Church of God or which is all one in the Church of Rome of the which the Pope is head the church of God be but One as himself auoucheth it cannot but follow that eyther the Couenant is kept inuiolable in the church of Rome or no where but to say it was kept no where cannot be but most absurd and therfore the other must of necessity be most true to wit the Verdict set down out M. Caluin that the couenāt remayneth with them that is with the catholikes and that inuiolable Neyther can any auoyd this by obiecting that Caluin doth not so much say that the Church as the ruines therof and it half throwne downe are seene vnder the Pope for so the church of christ saith Bellarmine had fallen and the truth had lyed saying The gates of Hell shall not preuayle against it And againe neither the Luthera●s nor the Caluinists could be members of the true church for the whole is fallen and the ruins of the church half thrown down is among the Papists vnder Antichrist if they say they haue a new building in that it is new it is not christs and who seeth not that it is better to be in the church of christ half pulled downe then in none seeing that ther is kept the couenant inuiolable or els no were To this we add that the Apostle sayth not that Antichrist shall sit in the ruines or rubbish of the church but absolutly he shall sit in the Temple of God if thē the Temple of God be the true church as other Protestants say and that in it he shall sit that is he shall raigne and gouerne as the head in the true church how thē can the assemblies of Lutherans or caluinists be the true church seing Antichrist shall not sit and dominiere in this or how can the couenant be inuiolably kept in any other then in the church of Rome which is only the true church We conclude therfore that out of caluins Doctrine with the help of his brethren his Verdict is most certayne to wit that the couenant of God hath remayned with the catholikes inuiolable yea and in her only and no where els as is proued 4. Lastly we must obserue about the Verdict of Pl●ssey Mornay which as I find in him speaking of the church of Rome is this We deny her not the name of Church no more Mornay de Eccl. c. 2. As M. Caluin did proue the Church of Rome to haue fallē from the true faith of Christ with three grosse lyes saying that the Popes haue taught three grieuous errors to wit That there is no God no Christ no Resurrection Euē so Plessey Mornay following his Father Caluin tells vs that the Church of Rome is an Adultresse hereticall and bringer vp of children for the diuell Se Caluin l. 4. inst c. 7. n. 27. then the name of a man to a man so long as he is aliue though he be neuer so sick yea we are content to call ●er Spouse in as much as she makes a part of the visible Church so as they will suffervs vvithal to call her an adultresse But we say she is the most heretical Church of all those that e●er were a spouse that prouoked God to diuorce her a mother that bringeth vp children for the Diue●● That which Plessey Mornay here saith in the commendatiō of the church of Rome we willingly admit

and haue set it downe for his Verdict perswading our selues that he could say no lesse truth which is more forcible then either rack or tormēt comp●lling him therunto For otherwise no mā willingly lyeth to his owne shame nor freely cōfesseth that which ouerthroweth his owne cause But what he vttereth against the Church of Rome for being accursed and anathematized by her for so many errors and heresies both in Luther Zuinglius and other old rotten hereticall Se F. Persons Relation of the Triall with his defence therof against Plessy and O. E by N. D. Semel mendax semper praes●mitur mendax Glossa Admitten●ū in l. Si cui crimen §. 1. ff de Accusation Alciat Menoch Rake-hells of former times we cannot so easily belieue but rather think thē no better then notorious vntruthes and meere slaunders as proceeding from him who had a great talent in this black Art of lying which publickely was made knowne to his eternall shame by cardinall Perone before the most Christian King and Court Luther VVhosoeuer is once taken in a lye know most certainly that he is not of God but ought to be suspected in all thinges In Assert Teuton art 25. But Plessy Mornay was conuinced before the King of Frāce in 9. one day and the exception that the Cardinall tooke agaynst him did cōcerne 4000. as is to be seene in the relation aboue cyted The Diuell hath his Prophets saith Ter●ullian whose badg mark is falsity lying so that it must of necessity fall whatsoeuer is built vpon such ● ground de praescr c. 40. of France and therfore we purposely haue forborne to disgrace the Iury with any such foule and fi●thy stuffe as he setteth downe in the latter part of his sentence seing it is folly sayth his learned Brother Vorstius to bring in the guilty as vvitnesses in their ovvne cause or rather to bring in one that hath byn condemned not once but so often to rage rayle and lye not only against his true and lawfull Iudge but also against many other Catholickes Peeres Princes Kings and Emperours who all according to Plessey should haue byn bred and borne bastards by an Adultresse and brought vp children Idolatours by an hereticall harlot for the Diuell But o my Plessey I pray thee how could she be an Adultresse against whom Hell gates were foretold neuer to preuayle or how could that Church be Hereticall which neuer was condemned eyther by any lawfull generall or prouinciall Councell or by any other iust commanding power or how could she bring vp children to the Diuell or be an Idolatresse who hath brought vp all to God that euer were brought to him since the first erecting of the Church of Christ as we haue shewed before These then are your malicious imputations and not those glorious tytles becōming Christs vnspotted Spouse and her who hath byn accompted alwayes the sacred Sanctuary and the holy Temple of the liuing God And therfore detesting your impieties we must rather giue eare and harken to that holy Byshop and glorious Martyr S. Cyprian who speaking of the Church wryteth S. Cyprian de vnitate Eccl. thus One Mother sayth he there is by the fecundity of her issu● copious and fertile by her increase vve are borne vvith her milk vve are nourished we are animated with her spirit The Spouse of Christ cannot play the aduoutresse she is imaculate and vndefiled she knoweth one house she keepeth with chast bashfulnes the sanctity of one bedd This Church preserueth vs in God this aduanceth to the Kingdome the children she hath brought forth whosoeuer deuided from the Church cleaueth to the aduoutresse is separated from the promises of the Church To whom we add S. Augustine the greatest of all the Fathers and worthyest Deuine the Church of God euer had since the Apostles if we may belieue D. Field who is styled lykewise the mouth of antiquity by other Protestants giuing vs this wholsome Coūsell against all s●ch slaunderers of the church of Rome For writing against the S. Aug. tom 7. de vnitate Eccles c. 11. lyke lies of the Donatists I know sayth he what is written in the holy and Canonicall Scriptures concerning the Church of Rome the fayth therof I know not what you say of her Apostacy or falling from her faith Truly as we doe read in bookes the which you also doe honour and reuerence of the Roman Church and fayth therof So also read you out of Bookes vnto vs the which we also doe honour and reuerence how she forsooke and lost her fayth Doth it please you that we should belieue euery slaunderous reproach of men vpon what occasion soeuer it was vttered and obiected against the Roman Church the which the Holy Ghost hath both deliuered and commended vnto vs by his holy Scriptures This indeed is pleasing to you but whom it should more iustly please you see well inough but you being ouercome by obstinacy will not yield to the truth We therfore being about to looke as well into the true doctrine and verity as into the holines and purity of this Church from whence doth proceed the security of liuing and dying well in her lappe we are to vse the testimonies especially of Famous Protestants to the end the banners of her glorie may be carryed about and displayed by the penns and mouthes of our Aduersaries that all whosoeuer are not maliciously bēt may therby extoll and magnify the infinit goodnes of Gods prouidence who hath made as we may say euē the enemies of his Church and children although otherwise partiall witnesses with open mouth to cry out and blaze abroad in effect That this is the seed and familie of Iesus Christ whom our Lord hath blessed yea and hath made the S. Cyprian l. 1. ep 3. holy Ghost to inspire the ancient Fathers to warrant vs that this is the Church to S. Hierom. l. 3. Apol. contra Ruffin which misbeliefe can haue no accesse which receaueth no forgery and though an Angell S Cyril apud D. Thom. in catena teach otherwise then hath byn once preached guarded with S. Pauls authoritie it cannot be changed which remayneth vnspotted from S. Gregor Nazianz in carm de vita sua all seducing and hereticall circumuention which hath the true fayth euen from the tymes of our for●●athers alwaies remayneth as is fit for a citty that ruleth the whole world to haue euer more a sound fayth to God Out of all which we may cōclude that this is that blessed Cōpany of holy ones that houshold of sāctity that spouse of christ church of the liuing God which is the Pillar and ground of truth whose cōmuniō we may boldly imbrace whose directions we may safely follow rest securely in her iudgments as in that sacred society the which for this 1600. yeares hath yielded vp all those blessed Soules of the Apostles Martyrs Confessors Virgins and of all the rest to God which now

saluation not only because they were all belieued of the holy Fathers who notwithstanding the belief of them haue been reputed alwayes Saints but because diuers famous learned Protestants brethren to all these Iury men teach the same expressely whose names you may read in the margent and what they say more largely in the Protestants Apology pag. 471 684. c. Which being applyed to what want soeuer occurreth in the verdicts of any named in the Iury will make it cleare that no such can be any impediment wherefore the same verdict ought not to passe as currant and good And therfore whē either Zanchius Mornay Serauia or any other of these Iurers doe accuse the Church of Rome of Adultery committing Idolatry bringing vp children to the diuell or of any such villanyes contrary to the true faith for belieuing any of these points now rehearsed we must tell them in plaine words that these be noe such letts as they imagine but rather their owne false and forged crimes meere vntruthes and calumniations put vpon the Church of Rome to make her odious to the commō people or for some other base end seing their owne brethren confesse against them saying that the beliefe of these cānot eyther hinder their sanctity or debarre any Catholike from obtayning their chiefest good and euerlasting saluation which if they had iudged to be Heresies Idolatries and such like abominations it may be presumed they would neuer teach Calu. l. 4. c. 1. n. 17. 2. Againe we must obserue with M. Caluin that there hath been no tyme since the creation of the world wherin the Lord hath not had his Church and that there shal be also no tyme to the very end of the world wherin he shall not haue it But now as for the Church of Rome it is certaine that it did continue the true visible church frō christ vntil the tyme of Constantine as M. Caluin hereafter auoucheth and that from Constantine vntill the tyme of Luther it neuer was interrupted is M. Napier vpon the Reuelations page 145. 16● 163. 19● 237. witnes M. Napier who saith that from the yeare 316. God withdrew his visible Church frō the open assemblies to the harts of particular godly men during the space of 1260. yeares The Pope and his Cleargy hauing possessed the outward visible Church of Christians euen 1260. years the true Church abyding so long latent inuisible out of which we inferre that all whosoeuer haue been saued since Christs Church was erected and sufficiently di●●lged haue beene saued in the Roman Church and whosoeuer haue dyed as members cut off from her or out of her could neuer attaine to the hopefull promises Calu. l 4. c. ● ● 4. D. Whitaker Out of the Church there is no other sea●● but the seate of error pestilence and euerlasting destruction of their chiefest good but miscarrying of their saluation could not auoide to be damned For what M. Caluin deliuereth speaking of the visible Church is most true to wit That out of her lappe no remission of sinnes is to be hoped nor any saluatiō at all But Milius If Luther ●ad bad orthodoxall forerunner● there had byn no need of a Lutheran reformatiō ●o Exp●cat Confess Aug. art 17. Luther saith we dare boast that Christ was first published by vs. Epist ad Arge●● M. Iewell Luther Zwinglius were appointed of God to kindle againe the light which you had q●●nched Defens Apol. part 1 c. 7. diuis 3. pag. 56. Pareus In Const●ntines time the Church begun to waxe fick to death notwithstāding the Catholike Church remained But where In the desert a●●● the world withdrawne from the eyes of ●en lib. 4. de gratia lib. arb that there was neuer any other visible Church of God which hath cōtinued since Christs tyme but the Church of Rome with her adherents the Protestants themselues confesse For although some fondly imagine that they had a Church yet neither Luther nor Caluin nor any other could euer point any such out which was apparent or visible to the eye of men For who can truly name any one Lutheran before Martin Luther or any one Caluinist before Iohn Caluin Verily none and much lesse a continuall and neuer-interrupted succession of Lutherans or Caluinists since Christs tyme who were not as inuisible to the world and as vnknowne as euer were those who are as yet vnborne A most foolish thing then it is yea and most ridiculous to auow that indeed there were such a company of zealous Protestants as some are not ashamed to say and that for aboue a thousand yeares they were all latent and inuisible which not only is impious and contrary to the Maiesty of the glorious VVho will not say that it was a s●●a●g● Church that had neyther beginning nor ending no def●nder no reprouer no mouth to vtter or ea●● to heare it nor pen to write nor place to rest in So M. Iewell in a like matter Art 2. diuis 8. S. Austin VVhat is this thou sayest The Church to haue perished in all Nations whē as to this end the Ghospell is preached that it may be in all Nations Therefore euen to the end of the world the Church i● in all Nations and this is the shortnes of her dayes In Psal 101. Th●se Markes sayth D. Willet cannot be absent from the Church and it is no longer a true Church thē it hath these mark●s For the only absence of them doth make a nullity of the Church In his Synops pag. 69. 71. which not to haue bene among Protestants for aboue a ●000 yeares wil witnes M. Nappier but in some fashion to haue byn alwayes in the Church of Rome is granted by M. B●ny in his Verdict which fashiō to haue bene the right and true fashion is euinced from thence that otherwise the Ch●●ch had perished contrary to Christs prediction saying The gates of Hell shall not preuayle against it M. Caluin lib. 4. inst c. 1. ● 4. Cal ● 4. inst c. ● 〈◊〉 If God did intend that the Couenant should remayne inuiolable left Baptisme a testimony therof for Catholike children as heere M. Caluin doth insinuate how doth no● the Couen●t to this day remayne among thē in the Church of Rome Agayne if the fayth of Catholick parēts be sufficient to place their children in the Couen●t state of saluatiō how much more may it be thought to establish the parents themselues in that Couenāt in whom reside● that faith which is so beneficial to their children Moreouer if the foundatiō of the Church halfe cast down doth remaine amōg Catholicks a● M. Caluin teacheth which is the true faith doctrine of Christ 1. cor 3. v. ●1 who dare deny that they are in the Couenant or that they may not be saued albeit they build there vpō wood hay stubble at least by fyre seing this is the expresse doctrine of the Apostle Kingdome of Christ foretould by the Prophets but lykewise