and_o saphyra_n and_o of_o other_o and_o from_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n and_o the_o person_n of_o man_n be_v clear_o confute_v chap._n viii_o m._n fitzherberts_n argument_n take_v from_o the_o law_n of_o nation_n and_o the_o civil_a law_n be_v answer_v and_o first_o the_o difference_n betwixt_o the_o priest_n of_o the_o old_a and_o new_a testament_n and_o the_o priest_n of_o other_o nation_n and_o also_o betwixt_o the_o law_n of_o nation_n and_o of_o nature_n be_v declare_v second_o from_o thence_o it_o be_v prove_v that_o among_o all_o nation_n the_o civil_a commonwealth_n be_v supreme_a and_o dispose_v of_o all_o thing_n both_o spiritual_a and_o temporal_a and_o punish_v all_o person_n both_o priest_n and_o other_o with_o temporal_a punishment_n and_o consequent_o that_o the_o new_a oath_n can_v be_v impugn_a by_o the_o law_n of_o nation_n three_o what_o m._n fitzherbert_n object_v from_o the_o civil_a law_n be_v confute_v chap_n ix_o first_o the_o difficulty_n which_o 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council_n be_v very_o probable_a and_o sufficient_a and_o that_o therefore_o mr._n fitzherberts_n conclusion_n of_o this_o chapter_n to_o use_v his_o own_o word_n be_v no_o less_o vain_a impertinent_a and_o insufficient_a then_o of_o his_o former_a chapter_n for_o these_o be_v his_o word_n 10._o word_n pag._n 154_o nu_fw-la 10._o thus_o thou_o see_v good_a reader_n that_o these_o few_o exception_n be_v all_o that_o widdrington_n have_v take_v to_o the_o council_n of_o lateran_n in_o his_o answer_n to_o my_o supplement_n be_v no_o less_o vain_a and_o impertinent_a than_o his_o former_a argument_n and_o answer_n to_o the_o rest_n of_o my_o discourse_n and_o this_o be_v as_o much_o as_o at_o the_o first_o i_o mean_v and_o undertake_v to_o perform_v nevertheless_o forasmuch_o as_o he_o have_v charge_v i_o to_o have_v dissemble_v his_o other_o answer_n and_o argument_n touch_v the_o council_n of_o lateran_n in_o another_o work_n of_o his_o which_o as_o i_o have_v signify_v before_o i_o 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saviour_n matth._n 18._o but_o if_o he_o will_v not_o hear_v the_o church_n let_v he_o be_v to_o thou_o as_o the_o heathen_a and_o the_o publican_n that_o be_v separate_v from_o the_o church_n thus_o suarez_n supra_fw-la suarez_n vbi_fw-la supra_fw-la neither_o be_v it_o forbid_v by_o the_o law_n of_o christ_n that_o the_o faithful_a shall_v not_o civil_o converse_v with_o heathen_n publican_n or_o notorious_a sinner_n unless_o some_o spiritual_a danger_n as_o of_o scandal_n or_o of_o infection_n which_o by_o the_o law_n of_o christ_n and_o nature_n they_o be_v otherwise_o bind_v to_o eschew_v shall_v arise_v from_o such_o civil_a conversation_n as_o also_o becanus_n do_v express_o affirm_v 3._o affirm_v in_o opusc_n de_fw-fr fide_fw-la haereticis_fw-la seruanda_fw-la cap._n 8._o num_fw-la 3._o see_v also_o abulensis_n q._n 50._o in_o cap._n 9_o matth._n 138_o moreover_o this_o also_o be_v gather_v from_o the_o very_a light_n of_o natural_a reason_n for_o as_o in_o the_o whole_a 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2._o num_fw-la 7._o the_o one_o ecclesiastical_a which_o exclude_v from_o ecclesiastical_a communion_n as_o from_o sacrament_n suffrage_n or_o other_o sacred_a thing_n the_o other_o civil_a which_o exclude_v from_o civil_a communion_n which_o punishment_n the_o civil_a lawyer_n account_n imprisonment_n confining_n relegation_n deportation_n and_o banishment_n by_o which_o the_o person_n excommunicate_v be_v debar_v from_o the_o communion_n of_o some_o certain_a company_n town_n city_n country_n or_o kingdom_n and_o as_o civil_a excommunication_n precise_o and_o of_o it_o own_o nature_n do_v not_o debar_v a_o man_n from_o any_o spiritual_a good_a grace_n or_o communionâ—_n so_o neither_o spiritual_a excommunication_n precise_o and_o of_o it_o own_o nature_n do_v debar_v a_o man_n from_o any_o temporal_a good_a benefit_n or_o communion_n 139_o nevertheless_o albeit_o the_o intrinsical_v per_fw-la se_fw-la and_o necessary_a effect_n of_o ecclesiastical_a excommunication_n be_v only_o to_o debar_v one_o from_o ecclesiastical_a or_o spiritual_a communion_n yet_o because_o our_o saviour_n christ_n have_v give_v to_o the_o spiritual_a pastor_n of_o the_o church_n authority_n to_o impose_v but_o not_o to_o inflict_v certain_a temporal_a punishment_n upon_o person_n excommunicate_v all_o those_o temporal_a punishment_n which_o the_o spiritual_a pastor_n of_o the_o church_n have_v according_a to_o different_a time_n and_o occasion_n adjoin_v by_o way_n of_o commandment_n to_o the_o censure_n of_o excommunication_n may_v be_v call_v extrinsecall_n or_o accidental_a effect_n of_o ecclesiastical_a excommunication_n or_o rather_o temporal_a effect_n and_o punishment_n annex_v by_o way_n of_o command_n to_o excommunication_n but_o this_o with_o all_o ought_v great_o to_o be_v consider_v as_o suarez_n do_v well_o observe_v principio_fw-la suarez_n tom_n 5._o disp_n 8._o sec_fw-la 1._o in_o fine_a &_o sec_fw-la 2._o in_o principio_fw-la that_o when_o excommunication_n be_v say_v to_o exclude_v from_o ecclesiastical_a communion_n it_o be_v necessary_o to_o be_v understand_v of_o that_o communion_n which_o depend_v upon_o the_o power_n and_o will_v of_o the_o church_n and_o over_o which_o she_o have_v right_a power_n or_o authority_n whereupon_o those_o temporal_a punishment_n which_o spiritual_a pastor_n may_v annect_v to_o excommunication_n must_v be_v such_o as_o by_o the_o institution_n of_o christ_n they_o have_v authority_n to_o impose_v and_o therefore_o if_o it_o be_v a_o controversy_n among_o learned_a catholic_n as_o in_o very_a deed_n it_o be_v whether_o spiritual_a pastor_n have_v authority_n to_o absolve_v subject_n from_o the_o temporal_a allegiance_n which_o they_o owe_v to_o their_o temporal_a prince_n and_o to_o deprive_v temporal_a prince_n of_o their_o temporal_a dominion_n administration_n or_o jurisdiction_n these_o temporal_a punishment_n can_v never_o so_o long_o as_o this_o controversy_n remain_v undecided_a be_v true_o say_v to_o be_v necessary_a effect_n annex_v to_o excommunication_n by_o the_o spiritual_a pastor_n of_o the_o church_n 140_o second_o i_o show_v also_o in_o that_o place_n that_o the_o spiritual_a pastor_n of_o the_o church_n have_v authority_n in_o order_n to_o spiritual_a good_a to_o command_v and_o impose_v certain_a temporal_a punishment_n and_o so_o also_o to_o annexe_v they_o to_o ecclesiastical_a excommunication_n as_o not_o to_o eat_v or_o drink_v with_o excommunicate_v person_n or_o notorious_a malefactor_n not_o to_o salute_v they_o or_o to_o converse_v civil_o with_o they_o except_o in_o such_o case_n wherein_o they_o be_v bind_v by_o the_o law_n of_o god_n or_o nature_n civil_o to_o converse_v and_o so_o the_o spiritual_a pastor_n of_o the_o church_n have_v power_n to_o command_v we_o in_o order_n to_o spiritual_a good_a to_o abstain_v from_o certain_a meat_n upon_o certain_a day_n to_o give_v alm_n to_o the_o poor_a not_o to_o converse_v civil_o with_o excommunicate_v person_n or_o notorious_a sinner_n if_o otherwise_o by_o the_o law_n of_o god_n or_o nature_n we_o be_v not_o bind_v to_o converse_v civil_o with_o they_o and_o the_o aforesaid_a and_o such_o like_a temporal_a thing_n to_o annexe_v by_o way_n of_o commandment_n to_o excommunication_n whensoever_o they_o shall_v prudent_o judge_v it_o to_o be_v necessary_a to_o the_o salvation_n of_o soul_n and_o this_o only_o be_v confirm_v by_o the_o institution_n and_o custom_n of_o the_o church_n approve_v by_o perpetual_a tradition_n and_o ground_v in_o the_o holy_a scripture_n 1._o cor._n 5._o with_o such_o a_o one_o not_o so_o much_o as_o to_o take_v meat_n and_o 2._o joh._n 1._o nor_o say_v to_o he_o god_n save_v you_o neither_o be_v there_o any_o difficulty_n among_o catholic_n concern_v the_o power_n of_o spiritual_a pastor_n to_o command_v and_o impose_v temporal_a thing_n when_o it_o shall_v be_v necessary_a to_o the_o spiritual_a good_a of_o the_o church_n for_o that_o to_o command_v and_o impose_v a_o temporal_a thing_n in_o order_n to_o the_o spiritual_a good_a be_v not_o a_o temporal_a but_o a_o spiritual_a action_n as_o i_o have_v often_o say_v but_o all_o the_o controversy_n among_o catholic_n be_v concern_v the_o coercive_v power_n of_o spiritual_a pastor_n and_o their_o authority_n to_o punish_v temporal_o by_o way_n of_o temporal_a constraint_n or_o which_o be_v all_o one_o to_o inflict_v temporal_a punishment_n for_o if_o contrary_a to_o the_o commandment_n of_o our_o spiritual_a pastor_n we_o will_v neither_o fast_o nor_o give_v alm_n nor_o abstain_v from_o civil_a conversation_n with_o excommunicate_v person_n the_o question_n be_v how_o far_o than_o the_o ecclesiastical_a power_n can_v by_o the_o institution_n of_o christ_n proceed_v against_o we_o by_o way_n of_o temporal_a constraint_n to_o the_o inflict_v of_o temporal_a punishment_n for_o in_o this_o power_n to_o punish_v temporal_o or_o to_o inflict_v temporal_a punishment_n do_v consist_v the_o whole_a controversy_n betwixt_o i_o and_o my_o adversary_n for_o i_o contend_v that_o the_o doctrine_n which_o almain_n and_o very_a many_o doctor_n as_o he_o affirm_v do_v maintain_v be_v not_o repugnant_a to_o catholic_a faith_n or_o the_o approve_a ground_n of_o true_a divinity_n to_o wit_n that_o the_o spiritual_a power_n of_o the_o church_n can_v not_o inflict_v any_o temporal_a punishment_n as_o death_n exile_n privation_n of_o good_n etc._n etc._n nay_o nor_o so_o much_o as_o to_o imprison_v but_o that_o her_o power_n do_v only_o extend_v to_o the_o inflict_v of_o spiritual_a punishment_n as_o excommunication_n or_o some_o such_o like_a spiritual_a censure_n and_o that_o all_o other_o temporal_a punishment_n which_o she_o use_v to_o inflict_v do_v proceed_v from_o the_o pure_a positive_a law_n or_o to_o use_v gerson_n word_n from_o the_o grant_n of_o prince_n 142_o and_o therefore_o three_o i_o show_v also_o in_o that_o place_n that_o because_o secular_a prince_n have_v grant_v many_o temporal_a privilege_n to_o the_o spiritual_a pastor_n of_o the_o church_n as_o to_o imprison_v to_o confine_v to_o impose_v or_o inflict_v pecuniary_a mulct_n and_o such_o like_a all_o those_o
material_o of_o a_o equal_a or_o not_o inferior_a order_n and_o excellency_n than_o the_o thing_n figure_v so_o that_o formal_o as_o they_o be_v figure_n or_o in_o that_o they_o be_v figure_n they_o be_v less_o perfect_a and_o excellent_a then_o be_v the_o thing_n figure_v now_o this_o doctor_n do_v crafty_o take_v here_o figure_n and_o the_o thing_n figure_v not_o formal_o and_o according_a to_o that_o wherein_o they_o be_v figure_n but_o material_o for_o otherwise_o as_o you_o shall_v see_v he_o say_v nothing_o to_o the_o purpose_n and_o to_o the_o confute_v of_o my_o answer_n for_o neither_o manna_n nor_o the_o paschall_n lamb_n be_v figure_n of_o the_o eucharist_n as_o the_o accident_n of_o the_o eucharist_n do_v concur_v to_o the_o nourish_a of_o the_o body_n but_o only_o as_o they_o be_v profitable_a to_o the_o nourish_a of_o the_o soul_n neither_o be_v corporal_a leprosy_n or_o the_o separation_n of_o leper_n from_o civil_a conversation_n a_o figure_n of_o spiritual_a leprosy_n and_o of_o ecclesiastical_a separation_n or_o excommunication_n as_o corporal_a leprosy_n do_v infect_v the_o body_n and_o excommunication_n do_v separate_v from_o civil_a conversation_n but_o only_o as_o spiritual_a leprosy_n do_v infect_v the_o soul_n and_o ecclesiastical_a excommunication_n do_v separate_v from_o ecclesiastical_a or_o spiritual_a communion_n for_o that_o a_o figure_n must_v in_o all_o those_o thing_n wherein_o it_o be_v a_o figure_n be_v more_o noble_a and_o excellent_a then_o be_v the_o thing_n which_o be_v figure_v and_o therefore_o as_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n very_o well_o observe_v 7._o observe_v lib._n 1._o de_fw-la missa_fw-la cap._n 7._o to_o fulfil_v a_o figure_n be_v not_o to_o do_v that_o very_a thing_n which_o the_o law_n prescribe_v to_o be_v do_v but_o to_o put_v in_o place_n thereof_o some_o thing_n more_o excellent_a which_o to_o signify_v that_o figure_n do_v go_v before_o as_o christ_n do_v not_o fulfil_v the_o figure_n of_o circumcision_n when_o 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be_v evident_a that_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n according_a to_o his_o own_o principle_n have_v not_o any_o way_n prove_v that_o because_o corporal_a leprosy_n and_o the_o punishment_n annex_v thereunto_o in_o the_o old_a law_n to_o wit_n the_o deprive_v of_o temporal_a kingdom_n jurisdiction_n or_o administration_n as_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n contend_v be_v a_o figure_n of_o spiritual_a leprosy_n and_o of_o the_o punishment_n annex_v thereunto_o in_o the_o new_a law_n therefore_o the_o same_o punishment_n to_o wit_n the_o deprive_v of_o temporal_a dominion_n jurisdiction_n or_o administration_n be_v figure_v by_o they_o and_o consequent_o may_v now_o by_o virtue_n of_o the_o figure_n be_v ordain_v against_o spiritual_a leper_n for_o this_o be_v not_o according_a to_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n doctrine_n to_o fulfil_v the_o figure_n and_o to_o put_v in_o place_n thereof_o something_o more_o excellent_a but_o to_o put_v that_o very_o same_o thing_n which_o the_o law_n in_o that_o figure_n 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and_o corporal_a good_n which_o do_v not_o belong_v to_o spiritual_a pastor_n but_o to_o temporal_a prince_n kingdom_n and_o commonwealth_n thus_o i_o answer_v in_o my_o apology_n 184._o apology_n nu_fw-la 184._o and_o the_o reason_n hereof_o i_o give_v a_o little_a before_o for_o that_o excommunication_n or_o such_o like_a spiritual_a censure_n be_v the_o last_o and_o only_a punishment_n which_o the_o ecclesiastical_a or_o spiritual_a power_n by_o the_o institution_n of_o christ_n can_v inflict_v secundum_fw-la joan._n paris_n de_fw-fr potest_fw-la reg._n &_o pap._n cap._n 14._o almain_n in_o lib._n de_fw-fr dominio_fw-la nat_n ciu_o &_o eccles_n conclus_fw-la 2._o bell._n lib._n 2._o the_o council_n cap._n 19_o ad_fw-la secundum_fw-la as_o joannes_n parisiensis_fw-la jacobus_n almain_n and_o very_o many_o doctor_n say_v almain_n do_v affirm_v 18_o and_o what_o if_o a_o wicked_a pope_n shall_v afflict_v the_o church_n and_o seek_v to_o overthrow_v the_o spiritual_a good_a thereof_o 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virtue_n annex_v do_v become_v spiritual_a thing_n that_o be_v virtuous_a action_n and_o therefore_o subject_a to_o the_o spiritual_a directive_a power_n yet_o they_o do_v not_o become_v spiritual_a censure_n and_o therefore_o not_o subject_a to_o the_o spiritual_a power_n as_o it_o be_v coercive_v but_o they_o still_o remain_v temporal_a punishment_n which_o be_v the_o object_n only_o of_o the_o temporal_a coercive_v power_n 109_o wherefore_o that_o also_o which_o he_o add_v that_o every_o superior_a may_v according_a to_o my_o doctrine_n punish_v his_o subject_n with_o penalty_n proportionate_a to_o his_o authority_n be_v very_o true_a but_o he_o must_v still_o distinguish_v betwixt_o the_o directive_a and_o coercive_v power_n or_o authority_n and_o in_o what_o manner_n temporal_a punishment_n be_v proportionate_a to_o either_o of_o they_o for_o because_o as_o well_o temporal_a as_o spiritual_a punishment_n may_v be_v virtuous_a or_o vicious_a action_n therefore_o they_o be_v 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authority_n to_o make_v and_o depose_v not_o only_a christian_n but_o also_o pagan_a king_n 9_o wherefore_o that_o demand_n which_o be_v here_o make_v by_o my_o adversary_n to_o what_o spiritual_a punishment_n the_o deprivation_n of_o prince_n right_a to_o their_o state_n and_o other_o temporal_a penalty_n then_o usual_a be_v now_o convert_v to_o the_o end_n we_o may_v see_v the_o correspondence_n of_o the_o figure_n to_o the_o verity_n in_o matter_n of_o punishment_n be_v frivolous_a both_o for_o that_o the_o priest_n of_o the_o old_a law_n have_v no_o authority_n to_o deprive_v king_n of_o their_o temporal_a state_n and_o dominion_n or_o to_o inflict_v temporal_a punishment_n and_o also_o albeit_o they_o have_v such_o a_o authority_n nevertheless_o it_o can_v not_o be_v prove_v from_o thence_o by_o deduce_v a_o argument_n from_o the_o figure_n to_o the_o verity_n that_o therefore_o
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therefore_o as_o he_o remit_v i_o to_o his_o apology_n so_o i_o remit_v he_o also_o to_o the_o answer_n of_o schulckenius_n which_o i_o have_v partly_o lay_v down_o here_o and_o may_v be_v see_v more_o at_o large_a in_o he_o and_o this_o shall_v suffice_v for_o this_o point_n 14_o but_o true_o it_o be_v intolerable_a that_o these_o man_n shall_v so_o shameful_o both_o abuse_v i_o and_o delude_v their_o reader_n i_o do_v not_o say_v only_o in_o dissemble_v the_o answer_n i_o make_v to_o their_o argument_n but_o in_o plain_o corrupt_v the_o word_n and_o manifest_a sense_n thereof_o in_o which_o manner_n they_o may_v multiply_v book_n and_o make_v reply_v with_o ease_n but_o with_o shame_n enough_o for_o it_o be_v too_o too_o apparent_o untrue_a that_o i_o labour_v in_o that_o place_n to_o prove_v nothing_o else_o as_o those_o man_n false_o affirm_v but_o that_o which_o neither_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n nor_o any_o other_o catholic_a will_v deny_v to_o wit_n that_o christ_n give_v to_o s._n peter_n a_o spiritual_a authority_n only_o although_o it_o be_v well_o know_v that_o the_o common_a opinion_n of_o the_o canonist_n do_v deny_v the_o same_o who_o contend_v that_o christ_n give_v thereby_o to_o s._n peter_n not_o only_o spiritual_a but_o also_o temporal_a authority_n and_o make_v he_o thereby_o not_o only_o a_o spiritual_a but_o also_o a_o temporal_a monarch_n and_o therefore_o mr._n fitzherbert_n be_v gross_o mistake_v in_o say_v so_o bold_o that_o neither_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n nor_o any_o other_o catholic_a will_v deny_v that_o christ_n give_v thereby_o to_o s._n peter_n a_o spiritual_a authority_n only_o for_o i_o do_v not_o contend_v in_o that_o place_n about_o the_o authority_n which_o be_v give_v to_o saint_n peter_n to_o bind_v and_o loose_v which_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n take_v to_o be_v all_o one_o with_o to_o feed_v his_o sheep_n whether_o it_o be_v temporal_a or_o spiritual_a or_o both_o as_o the_o canonist_n will_v have_v it_o but_o about_o the_o 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and_o dreadful_a punishment_n wherefore_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n himself_o do_v in_o express_a word_n affirm_v 6._o affirm_v lib._n 3._o de_fw-fr eccles_n c._n 6._o that_o there_o be_v no_o great_a punishment_n which_o can_v be_v inflict_v by_o the_o church_n then_o be_v excommunition_n and_o again_o 17._o again_o lib._n 3._o the_o laic_a c._n 22._o aug._n l._n 1._o contra_fw-la aduersar_n leg_n &_o proph_n c._n 17._o that_o excommunication_n be_v a_o great_a punishment_n then_o corporal_a death_n and_o to_o this_o purpose_n he_o cit_v saint_n augustine_n affirm_v that_o it_o be_v more_o horrible_a to_o be_v deliver_v over_o to_o satan_n by_o excommunication_n then_o to_o be_v strike_v with_o the_o sword_n to_o be_v consume_v by_o fire_n or_o to_o be_v devour_v by_o wild_a beast_n 42_o now_o to_o this_o answer_n d._n schulckenius_n repli_v in_o this_o manner_n 357._o manner_n pag._n 357._o i_o do_v not_o see_v say_v he_o in_o what_o thing_n cardinal_n bellarmine_n do_v according_a to_o widdrington_n judgement_n contradict_v himself_o that_o excommunication_n be_v great_a than_o all_o temporal_a punishment_n bellarmine_n do_v write_v which_o be_v most_o true_a and_o no_o man_n unless_o he_o be_v impious_a or_o mad_a can_v deny_v it_o but_o not_o therefore_o do_v he_o ill_o or_o contrary_a to_o himself_o write_v that_o it_o be_v necessary_a for_o the_o church_n to_o have_v power_n to_o dispose_v of_o temporal_n lest_o that_o the_o prince_n may_v without_o punishment_n nourish_v heretic_n and_o overthrow_v religion_n for_o many_o be_v more_o afraid_a of_o temporal_a punishment_n then_o of_o excommunication_n although_o this_o be_v without_o comparison_n the_o great_a as_o boy_n be_v more_o afraid_a of_o the_o rod_n then_o of_o lose_v their_o inheritance_n and_o this_o be_v the_o cause_n why_o the_o council_n of_o lateran_n cap._n 3._o do_v command_v that_o prince_n who_o nourish_v heretic_n shall_v first_o be_v excommunicate_v and_o afterward_o if_o this_o remedy_n do_v not_o avail_n that_o the_o subject_n be_v absolve_v from_o their_o oath_n of_o allegiance_n and_o their_o territory_n be_v deliver_v over_o to_o other_o to_o be_v possess_v by_o they_o what_o will_v widdrington_n say_v here_o that_o a_o council_n of_o the_o whole_a world_n be_v ignorant_a of_o the_o greatness_n of_o excommunication_n or_o that_o she_o do_v contradict_v herself_o when_o she_o write_v those_o thing_n true_o prudent_a man_n will_v condemn_v widdrington_n of_o temerity_n and_o ignorance_n and_o will_v not_o in_o any_o wise_a reprehend_v the_o council_n beside_o as_o the_o council_n of_o lateran_n against_o those_o who_o be_v ignorant_a of_o the_o greatness_n of_o excommunication_n do_v command_v that_o the_o favourer_n of_o heretic_n be_v first_o excommunicate_v and_o afterward_o deprive_v of_o their_o temporal_a dominion_n so_o contrariwise_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n sess_v 25._o cap._n 3._o against_o those_o who_o do_v know_v the_o greatness_n of_o excommunication_n command_v first_o that_o malefactor_n be_v punish_v with_o temporal_a punishment_n with_o imprisonment_n exile_n pecuniary_a mulct_n and_o at_o last_o if_o these_o do_v not_o avail_v to_o be_v strike_v with_o the_o dart_n of_o excommunication_n neither_o do_v the_o council_n of_o trent_n contradict_v the_o council_n of_o lateran_n or_o contradict_v herself_o or_o know_v not_o the_o force_n of_o excommunication_n but_o my_o adversary_n widdrington_n who_o contemn_v the_o decree_n of_o so_o great_a counsel_n and_o yet_o profess_v himself_o to_o be_v a_o catholic_a be_v by_o his_o word_n repugnant_a to_o his_o profession_n 43_o observe_v now_o good_a reader_n the_o fraud_n and_o falsehood_n of_o this_o man_n and_o first_o he_o do_v not_o see_v forsooth_o how_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n contradict_v himself_o in_o yield_v the_o reason_n why_o it_o be_v necessary_a that_o the_o church_n have_v power_n to_o dispose_v of_o temporal_n to_o wit_n for_o that_o otherwise_o wicked_a prince_n may_v without_o punishment_n nourish_v heretic_n and_o overthrow_v religion_n as_o though_o he_o be_v so_o blind_a that_o he_o can_v see_v light_a at-noone_n day_n for_o what_o a_o more_o manifest_a contradiction_n can_v there_o be_v than_o this_o that_o excommunication_n be_v the_o great_a punishment_n that_o may_v be_v and_o yet_o that_o a_o prince_n who_o be_v excommunicate_v for_o favour_a heretic_n do_v favour_n heretic_n without_o be_v punish_v but_o many_o man_n say_v this_o doctor_n be_v more_o afraid_a of_o lesser_a punishment_n then_o of_o great_a as_o of_o corporal_a punishment_n more_o than_o of_o excommunication_n as_o child_n be_v more_o afraid_a to_o be_v whip_v then_o to_o be_v disinherit_v and_o what_o then_o can_v any_o man_n of_o understanding_n infer_v from_o hence_o that_o therefore_o a_o prince_n who_o be_v excommunicate_v for_o favour_a heretic_n be_v not_o most_o grievous_o punish_v or_o that_o a_o boy_n who_o be_v disinherit_v for_o his_o misdemeanour_n be_v not_o more_o grievous_o punish_v then_o if_o he_o have_v be_v only_o whip_v for_o the_o same_o 44_o and_o by_o this_o the_o reader_n may_v easy_o perceive_v how_o true_a that_o be_v which_o this_o doctor_n say_v above_o that_o the_o dictinction_n which_o i_o make_v there_o concern_v the_o sufficiency_n of_o ecclesiastical_a power_n and_o of_o ecclesiastical_a censure_n to_o bring_v soul_n to_o eternal_a salvation_n in_o regard_n of_o the_o power_n and_o of_o the_o censure_n themselves_o and_o in_o regard_n of_o all_o other_o thing_n which_o on_o the_o behalf_n of_o the_o subject_n or_o otherwise_o be_v require_v that_o the_o ecclesiastical_a power_n and_o ecclesiastical_a censure_n do_v actual_o work_v their_o effect_n that_o be_v actual_o withdraw_v wicked_a christian_n from_o sin_n and_o so_o actual_o save_o their_o soul_n do_v little_a or_o nothing_o make_v to_o the_o salve_v of_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n argument_n see_v that_o you_o now_o thereby_o see_v most_o plain_o that_o the_o spiritual_a power_n be_v of_o itself_o so_o great_a and_o ecclesiastical_a or_o spiritual_a punishment_n be_v of_o themselves_o so_o dreadful_a and_o terrible_a that_o they_o be_v of_o themselves_o sufficient_a to_o withdraw_v any_o man_n from_o his_o wicked_a life_n and_o that_o therefore_o if_o this_o spiritual_a coercive_v power_n and_o these_o spiritual_a censure_n or_o punishment_n be_v of_o themselves_o sufficient_a for_o the_o spiritual_a end_n no_o other_o power_n of_o the_o church_n to_o inflict_v temporal_a punishment_n be_v necessary_a to_o obtain_v the_o same_o end_n for_o if_o spiritual_a punishment_n be_v sufficient_a temporal_a punishment_n be_v not_o necessary_a as_o any_o man_n of_o mean_a understanding_n who_o know_v the_o difference_n betwixt_o sufficient_a and_o necessary_a may_v easy_o perceive_v and_o if_o any_o man_n be_v so_o wilful_a that_o he_o be_v not_o terrify_v with_o ecclesiastical_a censure_n it_o be_v not_o by_o reason_n of_o their_o insufficiency_n but_o by_o reason_n of_o the_o malice_n of_o the_o person_n and_o the_o indisposition_n of_o the_o subject_n for_o to_o use_v this_o doctor_n own_o word_n above_o it_o be_v their_o fault_n and_o not_o the_o pope_n see_v that_o he_o apply_v remedy_n and_o punishment_n which_o be_v effectual_a of_o themselves_o if_o they_o themselves_o will_v admit_v they_o and_o what_o if_o the_o prince_n who_o this_o doctor_n say_v the_o pope_n have_v power_n to_o depose_v do_v not_o regard_v his_o sentence_n of_o deposition_n what_o other_o remedy_n trow_v you_o will_v this_o doctor_n feign_v that_o the_o pope_n have_v authority_n afterward_o to_o apply_v unless_o he_o will_v say_v that_o he_o must_v then_o have_v sufficient_a force_n and_o may_v to_o thrust_v he_o by_o head_n and_o shoulder_n as_o the_o proverb_n say_v out_o of_o his_o kingdom_n 45_o second_o neither_o do_v the_o council_n of_o lateran_n nor_o of_o trent_n inflict_v or_o impose_v temporal_a punishment_n for_o that_o reason_n which_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n here_o give_v to_o wit_n because_o they_o think_v that_o christian_n who_o be_v excommunicate_v for_o favour_a heretic_n or_o other_o crime_n be_v not_o most_o grievous_o punish_v and_o consequent_o that_o they_o may_v therefore_o by_o their_o spiritual_a power_n dispose_v of_o temporall_n and_o inflict_v temporal_a punishment_n because_o otherwise_o they_o may_v favour_v heretic_n and_o commit_v other_o crime_n without_o be_v punish_v as_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n do_v argue_v in_o his_o aforesaid_a reason_n for_o then_o the_o say_a counsel_n must_v also_o have_v grant_v that_o excommunication_n be_v not_o a_o most_o grievous_a punishment_n yea_o and_o no_o punishment_n at_o all_o and_o so_o they_o must_v have_v contradict_v themselves_o and_o the_o receive_a doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n for_o that_o no_o man_n unless_o he_o be_v impious_a or_o mad_a as_o this_o doctor_n here_o affirm_v can_v deny_v that_o excommunication_n be_v more_o grievous_a than_o any_o temporal_a punishment_n but_o the_o reason_n be_v because_o both_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n and_o
question_n may_v be_v about_o the_o cause_n for_o which_o this_o authority_n may_v be_v use_v as_o also_o the_o form_n of_o proceed_v to_o be_v observe_v therein_o whereunto_o he_o answer_v that_o herein_o there_o be_v so_o many_o particularity_n to_o be_v consider_v as_o be_v overlong_o for_o this_o place_n only_o it_o be_v sufficient_a for_o catholic_a man_n to_o know_v that_o this_o may_v not_o be_v do_v without_o just_a cause_n grave_n and_o urgent_a motive_n and_o due_a form_n also_o of_o proceed_v by_o admonition_n prevention_n intercession_n and_o other_o like_a preamble_n prescribe_v by_o ecclesiastical_a canon_n to_o be_v observe_v whereby_o my_o lordship_n doubt_n of_o fear_n and_o jealousy_n of_o continual_a treason_n and_o bloody_a assassinate_v may_v just_o be_v remoove_v for_o that_o this_o authority_n do_v not_o only_o not_o allow_v any_o such_o wicked_a or_o unlawful_a attempt_n but_o do_v also_o express_o and_o public_o condemn_v the_o same_o and_o the_o doctrine_n thereof_o as_o may_v appear_v not_o only_o by_o the_o condemnation_n of_o wickliff_n wicked_a article_n in_o the_o council_n of_o constance_n 15._o constance_n sess_n 15._o wherein_o he_o affirm_v that_o it_o be_v lawful_a for_o every_o private_a man_n to_o kill_v any_o prince_n who_o he_o hold_v to_o be_v a_o tyrant_n but_o also_o by_o like_a condemnation_n of_o caluin_n beza_n etc._n etc._n 52_o thus_o you_o see_v that_o father_n parson_n have_v not_o answer_v to_o the_o earl_n of_o salisburies_n complaint_n in_o particular_a to_o wit_n that_o some_o clear_a explication_n of_o the_o papal_a authority_n over_o the_o kingdom_n and_o life_n of_o temporal_a prince_n have_v not_o be_v make_v by_o some_o public_a and_o definitive_a sentence_n orthodoxal_a etc._n etc._n but_o he_o suppose_v it_o as_o certain_a and_o grant_v by_o catholic_n and_o in_o stead_n of_o some_o clear_a and_o public_a definition_n orthodoxal_a etc._n etc._n which_o the_o earl_n of_o salisbury_n desire_v he_o bring_v only_o certain_a reason_n which_o be_v in_o some_o sort_n ground_v upon_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n and_o the_o light_n of_o natural_a reason_n to_o wit_n that_o christ_n have_v in_o his_o church_n subject_v temporal_a thing_n to_o spiritual_a which_o also_o be_v true_a in_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n and_o that_o otherwise_o he_o have_v not_o so_o sufficient_o provide_v for_o the_o necessity_n of_o his_o church_n as_o god_n and_o nature_n have_v provide_v for_o other_o temporal_a commonwealth_n which_o be_v not_o so_o perfect_a as_o be_v his_o church_n which_o reason_n how_o weak_a and_o insufficient_a they_o be_v the_o reader_n may_v present_o perceive_v by_o that_o which_o have_v be_v say_v before_o concern_v the_o law_n of_o nature_n and_o against_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n second_o reason_n and_o also_o if_o he_o will_v but_o apply_v they_o to_o the_o church_n and_o synagogue_n in_o the_o old_a law_n in_o which_o without_o doubt_n god_n almighty_a do_v both_o subject_a temporal_a thing_n to_o spiritual_a and_o for_o the_o necessity_n whereof_o he_o do_v also_o sufficient_o provide_v and_o yet_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n himself_o affirm_v it_o to_o probable_a that_o in_o the_o old_a law_n the_o priesthood_n be_v subject_a to_o the_o kingdom_n and_o that_o king_n be_v not_o to_o be_v temporal_o by_o the_o high_a priest_n but_o contrariwise_o the_o high_a priest_n be_v subject_a in_o temporall_n to_o the_o king_n and_o to_o be_v punish_v by_o he_o with_o temporal_a punishment_n wherefore_o after_o i_o have_v clear_o overthrow_v cardinal_n bellarmine_n reason_n conclude_v thus_o and_o so_o it_o be_v manifest_a by_o that_o which_o i_o have_v say_v how_o weak_a this_o second_o reason_n of_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n be_v even_o according_a to_o his_o own_o principle_n i_o forthwith_o answer_v father_n parson_n in_o this_o manner_n 203._o manner_n apolog._n nu_fw-la 203._o 53_o by_o which_o it_o be_v also_o apparent_a how_o weak_o the_o author_n of_o the_o english_a 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of_o the_o canonist_n who_o make_v the_o pope_n a_o temporal_a monarch_n of_o the_o whole_a christian_a world_n and_o to_o have_v dominion_n and_o authority_n in_o temporall_n not_o only_o direct_o but_o also_o indirect_o and_o therefore_o the_o common_a doctrine_n of_o the_o canonist_n who_o as_o pope_n pius_n the_o five_o 6_o five_o see_v navar._n in_o c._n non_fw-la liceat_fw-la 12._o q._n 2._o §._o tertio_fw-la nu_fw-la 6_o do_v free_o acknowledge_v do_v attribute_n more_o authority_n to_o the_o pope_n than_o be_v fit_a in_o point_n concern_v the_o pope_n authority_n especial_o when_o they_o be_v therein_o contradict_v by_o other_o learned_a catholic_n be_v but_o a_o very_a weak_a ground_n to_o build_v any_o infallible_a doctrine_n or_o point_n of_o faith_n thereon_o 33_o beside_o that_o it_o be_v to_o be_v consider_v 10_o consider_v pag._n 169._o nu_fw-la 9_o 10_o say_v mr._n fitzherbert_n that_o it_o little_o import_v for_o our_o question_n whether_o the_o church_n can_v 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see_v that_o authority_n to_o inflict_v temporal_a penalty_n and_o to_o execute_v they_o be_v either_o all_o one_o or_o if_o we_o will_v distinguish_v they_o by_o take_v authority_n to_o inflict_v they_o for_o authority_n to_o make_v law_n to_o inflict_v they_o the_o former_a do_v necessary_o infer_v the_o late_a for_o what_o man_n even_o of_o mean_a learning_n or_o understanding_n can_v be_v so_o ignorant_a as_o to_o imagine_v that_o every_o prince_n either_o spiritual_a or_o temporal_a who_o have_v supreme_a authority_n to_o inflict_v any_o penalty_n have_v not_o authority_n also_o to_o execute_v the_o same_o neither_o can_v it_o be_v deny_v but_o that_o the_o pope_n and_o also_o other_o bishop_n of_o germany_n who_o be_v both_o spiritual_a pastor_n and_o also_o temporal_a prince_n have_v authority_n to_o ordain_v inflict_v and_o execute_v not_o only_o certain_a corporal_a and_o temporal_a penalty_n without_o the_o effusion_n of_o blood_n as_o be_v the_o confiscation_n of_o good_n 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or_o lord_n who_o remain_v excommunicate_v for_o a_o whole_a year_n for_o neglect_v to_o purge_v their_o territory_n of_o heretical_a filth_n and_o thus_o much_o concern_v the_o apostle_n decree_n 22_o and_o the_o like_a also_o say_v mr._n fitzherbert_n 5._o fitzherbert_n pag._n 179._o nu_fw-la 4._o 5._o may_v be_v say_v concern_v other_o decree_n of_o pope_n and_o counsel_n the_o impugner_n whereof_o have_v be_v hold_v and_o condemn_v by_o the_o church_n for_o heretic_n as_o for_o example_n it_o be_v decree_v 83._o decree_v baron_fw-fr a_o 159_o euseb_n lib._n 23._o cap._n 22._o 23._o 24_o &_o 25._o theod._n lib._n 1._o c._n 9_o athan._n in_o epist_n de_fw-fr synod_n arimin_n ambros_n epist_n 83._o by_o pope_n pius_n the_o first_o and_o confirm_v by_o pope_n victor_n and_o after_o by_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a that_o the_o feast_n of_o easter_n shall_v be_v celebrate_v at_o the_o same_o time_n that_o now_o it_o be_v keep_v universal_o throughout_o christendom_n according_a to_o 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m._n fitzherbert_n a_o little_a further_o and_o grant_v he_o for_o disputation_n sake_n which_o he_o be_v not_o able_a to_o prove_v to_o wit_n that_o the_o decree_n or_o rather_o act_n of_o the_o lateran_n council_n be_v to_o be_v understand_v of_o the_o deposition_n of_o temporal_a prince_n yet_o the_o silly_a man_n will_v have_v much_o ado_n to_o prove_v as_o also_o i_o have_v signify_v before_o that_o according_a to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n and_o canus_n seq_fw-la cap._n 13._o nu_fw-la 7._o &_o seq_fw-la which_o i_o have_v relate_v above_o it_o be_v such_o a_o decree_n that_o from_o thence_o it_o can_v be_v sufficient_o gather_v that_o the_o doctrine_n for_o the_o pope_n power_n to_o depose_v prince_n be_v a_o undoubted_a point_n of_o faith_n see_v that_o according_a to_o their_o ground_n only_o those_o decree_n and_o precept_n touch_v faith_n or_o manner_n be_v infallible_a and_o of_o faith_n which_o be_v general_a and_o universal_a and_o belong_v to_o the_o whole_a church_n and_o all_o the_o faithful_a and_o consequent_o as_o well_o clerk_n as_o layman_n for_o only_o in_o this_o case_n say_v canus_n the_o counsel_n 4._o canus_n l._n 5._o de_fw-la locis_fw-la c._n 5._o q._n 4._o or_o father_n be_v to_o be_v understand_v to_o pronounce_v of_o faith_n when_o the_o sentence_n or_o decree_n belong_v to_o all_o christian_n when_o it_o bind_v all_o therefore_o the_o doctrine_n of_o pope_n and_o counsel_n say_v he_o if_o it_o be_v propound_v to_o the_o whole_a church_n if_o it_o be_v also_o propound_v with_o a_o obligation_n to_o be_v believe_v then_o do_v their_o sentence_n or_o decree_v concern_v a_o point_n of_o faith_n and_o concern_v decree_n and_o precept_n of_o manner_n canus_n teach_v the_o same_o when_o the_o church_n say_v he_o in_o a_o matter_n of_o weight_n and_o which_o be_v very_o profitable_a for_o the_o reform_n of_o christian_a manner_n do_v make_v law_n to_o all_o the_o people_n she_o can_v command_v any_o thing_n which_o be_v contrary_a to_o the_o gospel_n or_o natural_a reason_n but_o in_o manner_n not_o common_a to_o the_o whole_a church_n but_o which_o be_v refer_v to_o private_a man_n or_o church_n she_o may_v err_v through_o ignorance_n not_o only_o in_o her_o judgement_n of_o thing_n do_v but_o also_o in_o her_o private_a precept_n and_o law_n 5._o bellar._n l._n 4._o de_fw-fr rom._n pont._n cap._n 3._o &_o 5._o and_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n also_o affirm_v that_o those_o decree_n or_o precept_n concern_v faith_n or_o manner_n wherein_o the_o pope_n in_o who_o he_o put_v all_o the_o infallibility_n of_o the_o church_n can_v err_v must_v be_v general_a and_o be_v propound_v and_o belong_v to_o all_o the_o faithful_a 24_o now_o this_o act_n of_o the_o lateran_n council_n forasmuch_o as_o it_o concern_v the_o absolve_a of_o vassal_n from_o their_o fealty_n beside_o that_o it_o be_v not_o proper_o a_o decree_n according_a to_o my_o adversary_n ground_n as_o i_o signify_v before_o contain_v in_o it_o any_o precept_n or_o obligation_n unless_o they_o will_v grant_v the_o council_n to_o be_v above_o the_o pope_n nor_o also_o propound_v as_o of_o faith_n according_a to_o the_o rule_n of_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n and_o canus_n before_o relate_v and_o therefore_o it_o can_v according_a to_o their_o doctrine_n appertain_v to_o faith_n it_o be_v not_o also_o a_o general_a decree_n and_o which_o appertain_v to_o the_o whole_a church_n and_o all_o the_o faithful_a for_o it_o do_v not_o concern_v clergy_n man_n who_o according_a to_o my_o adversary_n false_a scandalous_a and_o seditious_a doctrine_n be_v not_o subject_a to_o temporal_a prince_n nor_o do_v owe_v to_o they_o any_o temporal_a allegiance_n but_o only_o the_o temporal_a vassal_n of_o temporal_a lord_n and_o those_o not_o all_o but_o of_o such_o a_o lord_n only_o who_o for_o a_o year_n remain_v excommunicate_v for_o neglect_v to_o purge_v his_o territory_n of_o heresy_n for_o those_o word_n of_o the_o council_n ut_fw-la ex_fw-la tunc_fw-la ipse_fw-la etc._n etc._n that_o from_o that_o time_n the_o pope_n may_v denounce_v his_o vassal_n absolve_v from_o their_o fealty_n can_v only_o bind_v either_o the_o pope_n to_o make_v that_o denunciation_n or_o that_o temporal_a lord_n not_o to_o exact_v of_o his_o vassal_n temporal_a fealty_n or_o the_o vassal_n not_o to_o give_v to_o that_o temporal_a lord_n temporal_a fealty_n and_o so_o it_o can_v bind_v clergy_n man_n who_o do_v not_o owe_v any_o temporal_a fidelity_n or_o obedience_n to_o temporal_a lord_n according_a to_o my_o adversary_n false_a doctrine_n nor_o also_o all_o vassal_n but_o only_o those_o of_o that_o temporal_a lord_n whereupon_o the_o decree_n be_v not_o general_a and_o belong_v to_o all_o the_o faithful_a which_o nevertheless_o be_v necessary_a that_o any_o decree_n or_o precept_n concern_v faith_n or_o manner_n do_v appertain_v to_o faith_n 25_o and_o if_o perchance_o my_o adversary_n will_v say_v that_o it_o bind_v all_o
lateran_n council_n that_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o pope_n power_n to_o depose_v prince_n be_v a_o point_n of_o faith_n the_o more_o he_o bewray_v his_o own_o ignorance_n and_o the_o weakness_n of_o his_o cause_n and_o the_o uncertainty_n of_o his_o new_a broach_v catholic_a faith_n 11_o and_o true_o it_o can_v be_v deny_v say_v mr._n fitzherbert_n 3._o fitzherbert_n pag._n 200._o nu_fw-la 3._o but_o that_o great_a difference_n be_v to_o be_v make_v as_o widdrington_n say_v well_o out_o of_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n betwixt_o the_o certainty_n of_o the_o decree_n of_o counsel_n and_o of_o the_o reason_n which_o be_v allege_v therein_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o all_o reason_n be_v not_o of_o like_a weight_n certainty_n or_o probability_n nevertheless_o it_o be_v absurd_a to_o say_v that_o the_o fundamental_a reason_n or_o doctrine_n which_o be_v necessary_o include_v and_o suppose_v in_o any_o decree_n of_o a_o ecumenical_a council_n can_v be_v false_a for_o so_o also_o the_o decree_n itself_o shall_v be_v false_a and_o the_o error_n of_o both_o just_o ascribe_v to_o the_o holy_a ghost_n as_o author_n thereof_o 12_o but_o here_o my_o adversary_n shoot_v his_o bolt_n far_o beyond_o the_o mark_n for_o as_o not_o all_o decree_n of_o ecumenical_a counsel_n be_v certain_a infallible_a and_o of_o faith_n but_o only_o those_o which_o be_v make_v by_o true_a ecclesiastical_a authority_n and_o be_v propound_v as_o of_o faith_n and_o which_o be_v general_a to_o the_o whole_a church_n and_o do_v bind_v all_o the_o faithful_a so_o neither_o must_v the_o fundamental_a reason_n or_o doctrine_n which_o be_v necessary_o include_v in_o every_o decree_n of_o a_o oecumenial_a council_n be_v of_o necessity_n certain_a infallible_a and_o of_o faith_n but_o it_o may_v be_v false_a and_o expose_v to_o error_n as_o the_o decree_n itself_o whereof_o it_o be_v a_o fundamental_a reason_n 13_o and_o this_o i_o say_v of_o decree_n say_v mr._n fitzherbert_n 5._o fitzherbert_n pag._n 194._o num_fw-la 4._o 5._o that_o concern_v not_o only_a matter_n of_o belief_n but_o also_o manner_n or_o matter_n of_o fact_n such_o as_o be_v the_o decree_n of_o the_o apostle_n at_o jerusalem_n wherein_o they_o doubt_v not_o to_o say_v visum_fw-la est_fw-la spiritui_fw-la sancto_fw-la &_o nobis_fw-la 15._o act_n 15._o it_o have_v seem_v good_a to_o the_o holy_a ghost_n and_o we_o ascribe_v to_o the_o holy_a ghost_n assistance_n their_o determination_n not_o only_o of_o the_o decree_n itself_o but_o also_o of_o the_o foundation_n whereupon_o it_o be_v ground_v i_o mean_v the_o equality_n justice_n and_o conveniency_n of_o it_o for_o it_o can_v be_v deny_v but_o that_o the_o holy_a ghost_n assist_v and_o guide_v they_o first_o to_o determine_v what_o be_v lawful_a and_o convenient_a to_o be_v decree_v and_o execute_v and_o then_o after_o to_o ordain_v and_o decree_v it_o the_o one_o so_o depend_v on_o the_o other_o that_o if_o they_o have_v fail_v in_o the_o former_a they_o will_v not_o have_v just_o decree_v the_o latter_a that_o be_v to_o say_v if_o it_o have_v not_o be_v lawful_a and_o convenient_a for_o christian_n at_o that_o time_n to_o abstain_v from_o strangle_a meat_n and_o blood_n the_o apostle_n can_v not_o have_v lawful_o ordain_v and_o decree_v it_o and_o therefore_o the_o decree_n be_v just_a and_o ascribe_v to_o the_o assistance_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n the_o foundation_n or_o ground_n and_o all_o the_o necessary_a consequent_n thereof_o must_v needs_o be_v grant_v to_o be_v lawful_a and_o just_a and_o to_o flow_v from_o one_o fountain_n that_o be_v to_o say_v from_o the_o holy_a ghost_n inspiration_n and_o assistance_n 14_o but_o first_o as_o concern_v matter_n of_o belief_n i_o grant_v with_o canus_n that_o it_o be_v certain_a and_o of_o faith_n that_o the_o church_n can_v err_v when_o she_o propound_v a_o doctrine_n of_o faith_n with_o a_o obligation_n to_o bind_v all_o the_o faithful_a to_o believe_v the_o same_o and_o likewise_o in_o decree_n concern_v such_o manner_n and_o matter_n of_o fact_n as_o be_v necessary_a to_o salvation_n i_o grant_v also_o with_o the_o same_o canus_n that_o it_o be_v certain_a that_o she_o can_v err_v in_o make_v such_o decree_n for_o that_o consequent_o it_o will_v follow_v as_o canus_n well_o deduce_v that_o she_o may_v also_o err_v in_o doctrine_n of_o faith_n and_o so_o the_o church_n can_v command_v any_o thing_n to_o all_o the_o faithful_a which_o be_v repugnant_a to_o the_o gospel_n or_o to_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n but_o whether_o it_o be_v likewise_o certain_a and_o of_o faith_n that_o the_o church_n can_v err_v in_o decree_n concern_v manner_n and_o matter_n of_o fact_n which_o be_v not_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n i_o will_v not_o now_o dispute_v for_o not_o give_v occasion_n to_o my_o adversary_n to_o fly_v from_o the_o principal_a question_n touch_v the_o decree_n or_o act_n of_o the_o lateran_n council_n it_o be_v sufficient_a at_o this_o time_n that_o the_o judicious_a reader_n by_o that_o which_o i_o have_v before_o relate_v out_o of_o the_o doctrine_n of_o canus_n may_v have_v some_o light_n how_o to_o judge_v of_o this_o question_n for_o he_o grant_v that_o it_o be_v not_o heretical_a to_o affirm_v that_o the_o charch_n may_v err_v in_o the_o canonise_a of_o saint_n for_o that_o her_o judgement_n herein_o depend_v upon_o a_o uncertain_a ground_n to_o wit_n upon_o the_o relation_n information_n and_o judgement_n of_o other_o man_n which_o be_v uncertain_a and_o fallible_a and_o consequent_o according_a to_o his_o ground_n she_o may_v err_v in_o all_o such_o decree_n which_o depend_v upon_o uncertain_a and_o fallible_a ground_n and_o foundation_n and_o the_o leardn_a divine_n of_o his_o own_o society_n as_o salmeron_n suarez_n and_o vasquez_n who_o according_a to_o the_o censure_n of_o this_o my_o rash_a and_o ignorant_a adversary_n be_v very_o absurd_a and_o impertinent_a therein_o do_v constant_o hold_v that_o the_o fundamental_a reason_n of_o the_o church_n decree_v concern_v the_o celebration_n of_o the_o feast_n of_o the_o b._n virgin_n conception_n be_v not_o certain_a and_o a_o point_n of_o faith_n but_o controverse_v by_o learned_a catholic_n without_o any_o offence_n to_o wit_n that_o she_o be_v sanctify_v in_o the_o first_o instant_n of_o her_o conception_n and_o that_o to_o honour_v this_o her_o pure_a holy_a and_o immaculate_a conception_n the_o say_a feast_n be_v institute_v 15_o second_o it_o be_v not_o certain_a that_o the_o church_n now_o have_v the_o same_o infallibility_n in_o make_v decree_n concern_v such_o manner_n and_o matter_n of_o fact_n as_o be_v not_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n which_o the_o apostle_n have_v in_o make_v such_o decree_n for_o that_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o apostle_n be_v extraordinary_o illuminate_v and_o assist_v by_o the_o holy_a ghost_n do_v not_o only_o depend_v upon_o the_o relation_n information_n and_o judgement_n of_o man_n but_o also_o upon_o the_o special_a and_o extraordinary_a assistance_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n and_o therefore_o from_o that_o decree_n of_o the_o apostle_n concern_v the_o not_o eat_v of_o blood_n and_o strangle_a meat_n who_o be_v peculiarly_a and_o extraordinary_o assist_v and_o replenish_v with_o the_o holy_a ghost_n and_o therefore_o may_v well_o say_v visum_fw-la est_fw-la spiritui_fw-la &_o nobis_fw-la 2._o act_n 2._o it_o have_v seem_v good_a to_o the_o holy_a ghost_n and_o we_o no_o sufficient_a argument_n can_v be_v bring_v to_o prove_v that_o therefore_o it_o be_v a_o point_n of_o faith_n that_o the_o church_n now_o can_v likewise_o err_v in_o make_v such_o decree_n 16_o three_o mr._n fitzherbert_n must_v also_o distinguish_v betwixt_o the_o lawfulness_n of_o a_o ecclesiastical_a decree_n concern_v manner_n and_o matter_n of_o fact_n and_o the_o certainty_n or_o infallibility_n thereof_o for_o that_o many_o decree_n may_v be_v lawful_a and_o consequent_o aught_o to_o be_v obey_v until_o the_o unlawfulnesse_n or_o injustice_n thereof_o be_v manifest_a and_o yet_o not_o infallible_a as_o it_o be_v evident_a in_o the_o civil_a law_n of_o temporal_a prince_n and_o commonwealth_n who_o law_n be_v lawful_a and_o aught_o to_o be_v obey_v by_o their_o subject_n so_o long_o as_o the_o unlawfulnesse_n or_o injustice_n of_o they_o be_v not_o apparent_a and_o yet_o they_o be_v not_o therefore_o infallible_a and_o so_o a_o decree_n of_o the_o church_n after_o due_a examination_n approve_v the_o final_a sanctity_n of_o such_o or_o such_o a_o man_n decease_v and_o upon_o that_o ground_n command_v all_o the_o faithful_a to_o celebrate_v his_o feast_n be_v lawful_a and_o aught_o to_o be_v obey_v until_o it_o be_v manifest_a that_o she_o be_v deceive_v and_o misinform_v by_o false_a relation_n and_o yet_o it_o be_v not_o therefore_o infallible_a and_o a_o point_n of_o faith_n that_o he_o be_v true_o a_o saint_n and_o die_v in_o true_a sanctity_n and_o holiness_n of_o
life_n and_o soul_n 17_o wherefore_o my_o adversary_n for_o his_o better_a instruction_n may_v observe_v that_o 8._o caiet_fw-mi tom_fw-mi 1._o opusc_n tract_n 15._o de_fw-fr indulg_n c._n 8._o which_o cardinal_n cajetan_v who_o nevertheless_o put_v all_o the_o infallibility_n of_o ihe_a church_n in_o the_o pope_n write_v of_o indulgence_n and_o the_o canonisation_n of_o saint_n and_o he_o may_v if_o it_o please_v he_o learn_v from_o thence_o some_o special_a document_n for_o his_o present_a purpose_n it_o be_v always_o say_v he_o presume_v the_o jure_fw-la by_o the_o law_n for_o the_o judge_n unless_o there_o manifest_o appear_v a_o error_n and_o he_o that_o suppose_v upon_o a_o lawful_a cause_n such_o a_o indulgence_n to_o be_v give_v do_v affirm_v the_o truth_n as_o he_o without_o falsity_n affirm_v such_o a_o one_o to_o be_v a_o saint_n suppose_v he_o to_o be_v right_o canonize_v so_o that_o grant_v that_o such_o a_o man_n who_o be_v canonize_v shall_v not_o be_v a_o saint_n but_o 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council_n of_o lateran_n do_v not_o in_o those_o general_a word_n dominus_fw-la temporalis_fw-la dominus_fw-la principalis_fw-la &_o non_fw-la habens_fw-la dominos_fw-la principales_fw-la comprehend_v absolute_a prince_n but_o only_o inferior_a landlord_n magistrate_n or_o lord_n it_o be_v make_v by_o the_o consent_n and_o authority_n of_o absolute_a prince_n as_o ordain_v the_o inflict_a of_o temporal_a punishment_n which_o to_o ordain_v do_v not_o belong_v to_o the_o spiritual_a but_o only_o to_o the_o temporal_a power_n and_o that_o therefore_o not_o only_o it_o do_v not_o but_o also_o it_o can_v not_o in_o those_o general_a word_n comprehend_v absolute_a prince_n themselves_o by_o who_o authority_n it_o be_v make_v and_o to_o prevent_v a_o objection_n which_o i_o foresee_v some_o may_v make_v to_o wit_n that_o the_o decree_n and_o canon_n of_o pope_n and_o counsel_n have_v their_o force_n to_o bind_v from_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n and_o not_o from_o the_o consent_n approbation_n ratification_n or_o authority_n of_o temporal_a prince_n i_o give_v the_o aforesaid_a answer_n that_o pope_n and_o counsel_n do_v oftentimes_o ordain_v many_o thing_n which_o to_o ordain_v belong_v rather_o to_o the_o civil_a then_o to_o the_o ecclesiastical_a power_n by_o the_o express_a or_o tacit_a consent_n of_o prince_n who_o be_v present_a by_o themselves_o or_o their_o ambassador_n or_o else_o presume_v or_o at_o leastwise_o hope_v that_o temporal_a prince_n will_v ratify_v the_o same_o and_o for_o the_o confirmation_n hereof_o i_o bring_v the_o authority_n of_o hostiensis_n who_o affirm_v that_o according_a to_o the_o opinion_n of_o some_o doctor_n which_o also_o pope_n innocent_a &_o io._n andreas_n do_v affirm_v that_o the_o canon_n ad_fw-la abolendam_fw-la de_fw-la haereticis_fw-la wherein_o it_o be_v ordain_v that_o if_o count_n and_o baron_n rectour_n and_o consul_n of_o city_n and_o of_o other_o place_n do_v refuse_v to_o take_v a_o oath_n to_o defend_v the_o church_n against_o heretic_n they_o shall_v be_v deprive_v of_o their_o honour_n have_v therefore_o force_v to_o bind_v because_o the_o emperor_n give_v his_o consent_n thereunto_o and_o that_o therefore_o it_o be_v no_o marvel_n if_o this_o decree_n of_o the_o lateran_n council_n for_o as_o much_o as_o concern_v the_o inflict_a of_o temporal_a punishment_n have_v therefore_o force_v to_o bind_v for_o that_o temporal_a prince_n consent_v thereunto_o 42_o and_o by_o this_o it_o be_v clear_a that_o my_o meaning_n be_v not_o only_o to_o affirm_v that_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o lateran_n council_n for_o as_o much_o as_o concern_v the_o inflict_a of_o temporal_a punishment_n be_v make_v by_o the_o consent_n of_o absolute_a prince_n only_o in_o that_o manner_n as_o absolute_a prince_n do_v give_v their_o consent_n to_o the_o make_n of_o ecclesiastical_a law_n and_o canon_n which_o do_v mere_o proceed_v from_o ecclesiastical_a or_o spiritual_a authority_n but_o also_o that_o it_o be_v make_v by_o the_o consent_n and_o authority_n of_o absolute_a prince_n for_o that_o to_o ordain_v the_o inflict_a of_o temporal_a punishment_n belong_v rather_o to_o the_o civil_a then_o to_o the_o ecclesiastical_a power_n and_o therefore_o it_o will_v not_o have_v have_v force_n to_o bind_v unless_o absolute_a prince_n have_v consent_v thereunto_o as_o likewise_o the_o canon_n ad_fw-la abolendam_fw-la wherein_o temporal_a punishment_n be_v inflict_v be_v therefore_o of_o force_n according_a to_o the_o opinion_n of_o some_o canonist_n as_o hostiensis_n relate_v for_o that_o the_o emperor_n consent_v thereunto_o although_o the_o ordain_v or_o inflict_v of_o excommunication_n which_o in_o that_o canon_n ad_fw-la abolendam_fw-la be_v join_v together_o with_o the_o deprivation_n of_o temporal_a honour_n as_o it_o be_v also_o join_v in_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o lateran_n council_n do_v proceed_v and_o have_v force_v to_o bind_v from_o the_o spiritual_a authority_n of_o the_o church_n to_o who_o only_o it_o belong_v to_o inflict_v