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prayer_n we_o be_v so_o want_v on_o we_o know_v not_o what_o we_o will_v have_v pag._n 31._o hitherto_o his_o word_n and_o he_o free_o confess_v error_n in_o all_o these_o state_n and_o change_n for_o defence_n whereof_o beside_o that_o these_o word_n be_v write_v by_o way_n of_o objection_n from_o they_o rather_o than_o any_o confession_n make_v by_o ourselves_o i_o do_v not_o so_o much_o as_o intimate_v that_o there_o be_v error_n in_o all_o these_o state_n and_o change_n as_o he_o unjust_o charge_v i_o but_o only_o that_o in_o the_o service_n book_n of_o king_n henry_n and_o king_n edward_n some_o thing_n be_v judge_v to_o savour_v of_o the_o superstition_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n but_o as_o for_o the_o service_n book_n which_o be_v allow_v by_o queen_n elizabeth_n it_o stand_v not_o only_o during_o her_o time_n without_o alteration_n but_o also_o it_o be_v ratify_v by_o his_o majesty_n and_o allow_v of_o by_o the_o state_n albeit_o by_o some_o particularman_n it_o have_v be_v impugn_a as_o nothing_o else_o can_v be_v by_o the_o wit_n of_o man_n so_o well_o devise_v but_o man_n wit_n can_v dispute_v against_o it_o and_o as_o for_o those_o error_n which_o be_v reform_v in_o the_o book_n of_o k._n henry_n and_o king_n edward_n they_o be_v the_o superstition_n only_o of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n the_o land_n be_v not_o then_o sufficient_o reform_v nor_o purity_n of_o religion_n so_o perfect_o establish_v as_o now_o it_o be_v because_o the_o bishop_n &_o clergy_n man_n by_o who_o those_o book_n be_v write_v themselves_o be_v too_o much_o so_o wr_v with_o the_o romish_a leaven_n and_o our_o daily_a renounce_v those_o superstition_n and_o receive_v great_a light_n of_o the_o gospel_n can_v be_v no_o protestant_a proof_n that_o we_o shall_v any_o way_n favour_v their_o superstition_n eleventh_o he_o write_v thus_o why_o may_v we_o not_o say_v with_o the_o council_n of_o florence_n cite_v
be_v in_o the_o nature_n of_o thing_n as_o in_o salomon_n temple_n be_v the_o image_n of_o lion_n and_o ox_n but_o a_o idol_n be_v make_v only_o to_o represent_v somewhat_o that_o never_o be_v as_o the_o idol_n of_o mercury_n and_o jupiter_n which_o be_v but_o false_a god_n of_o the_o gentile_n god_n by_o imagination_n and_o not_o indeed_o and_o therefore_o they_o hold_v it_o for_o a_o slander_n to_o their_o religion_n that_o their_o image_n be_v call_v idol_n let_v the_o first_o question_n therefore_o be_v concern_v the_o truth_n of_o that_o distinction_n that_o you_o may_v examine_v their_o five_o reason_n whereby_o that_o distinction_n be_v by_o they_o avouch_v first_o say_v bellarmine_n image_n which_o be_v a_o true_a representation_n of_o somewhat_o be_v never_o call_v idol_n in_o the_o holy_a scripture_n as_o in_o salomon_n temple_n the_o image_n but_o not_o the_o idol_n of_o lion_n and_o oxen._n to_o which_o i_o answer_v first_o it_o be_v but_o a_o kind_n of_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d or_o contention_n about_o word_n which_o be_v they_o understand_v howsoever_o be_v they_o confound_v or_o distinguish_v the_o worship_v of_o they_o be_v the_o breach_n of_o god_n commandment_n where_o we_o be_v forbid_v to_o worship_v any_o grave_a image_n or_o 20._o the_o likeness_n of_o any_o thing_n second_o this_o negative_a proof_n draw_v from_o scripture_n be_v no_o sufficient_a argument_n but_o contrary_a to_o the_o law_n of_o disputation_n as_o be_v plain_o set_v down_o in_o the_o topic_n call_v pronunciatum_fw-la authoritas_fw-la non_fw-la valet_fw-la agricola_n in_o negativis_fw-la three_o i_o bring_v instance_n against_o he_o out_o of_o the_o holy_a scripture_n where_o the_o image_n of_o a_o calf_n be_v call_v a_o idol_n for_o so_o say_v saint_n stephen_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d they_o make_v a_o calf_n in_o those_o day_n 41._o and_o offer_v sacrifice_n to_o a_o idol_n there_o in_o plain_a term_n the_o image_n or_o true_a representation_n of_o a_o calf_n be_v call_v a_o idol_n by_o this_o you_o see_v what_o small_a credit_n be_v to_o be_v give_v to_o this_o distinction_n and_o what_o false_a ground_n catholic_a doctrine_n be_v build_v upon_o again_o idol_n by_o bellarmine_n himself_o be_v call_v statuae_fw-la and_o be_v so_o translate_v in_o the_o latin_a 1._o king_n 10._o 16._o 17._o and_o what_o be_v statue_n but_o a_o image_n second_o say_v he_o a_o idol_n be_v in_o the_o hebrew_n tongue_n levit._n 19_o 26._o num._n 23._o ose_n 6._o a_o vain_a thing_n a_o false_a thing_n a_o lie_n always_o signify_v some_o false_a representation_n a_o false_a image_n and_o not_o a_o true_a image_n as_o abacuc_n 2._o 18._o which_o reason_n because_o it_o be_v but_o colewoort_v twice_o sodden_a a_o mere_a tautology_n and_o all_o one_o with_o the_o former_a i_o answer_v to_o it_o as_o before_o three_o he_o argue_v out_o of_o saint_n paul_n 1_o cor._n 8._o 4._o we_o know_v a_o idol_n be_v nothing_o it_o be_v something_o say_v he_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o matter_n whereof_o it_o be_v make_v as_o wood_n stone_n mettle_n but_o nothing_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o form_n because_o it_o represent_v that_o which_o be_v not_o to_o which_o i_o answer_v as_o before_o by_o denial_n in_o as_o much_o as_o the_o golden_a calf_n be_v for_o the_o matter_n gold_n represent_v that_o which_o in_o form_n be_v somewhat_o a_o bodily_a substance_n animal_n mugibile_fw-la a_o low_a beast_n and_o that_o i_o may_v make_v a_o better_a exposition_n of_o saint_n paul_n word_n out_o of_o s._n paul_n himself_o of_o that_o proposition_n idolum_fw-la nihil_fw-la est_fw-la a_o idol_n be_v nothing_o as_o in_o matter_n it_o be_v something_o so_o in_o respect_n of_o any_o divine_a virtue_n in_o it_o which_o the_o idolater_n ascribe_v to_o it_o it_o be_v nothing_o and_o again_o by_o the_o analogy_n of_o that_o place_n it_o be_v nothing_o either_o in_o respect_n of_o sanctification_n or_o pollution_n of_o those_o meat_n which_o be_v offer_v to_o it_o and_o if_o 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to_o these_o argument_n first_o they_o do_v uni_fw-la deo_fw-la plura_fw-la simulacra_fw-la erigere_fw-la erect_v many_o idol_n to_o one_o god_n for_o example_n they_o acknowledge_v but_o one_o jupiter_n yet_o in_o every_o country_n be_v idol_n of_o jupiter_n therefore_o they_o make_v a_o difference_n between_o the_o god_n himself_o and_o his_o idol_n consequent_o they_o do_v not_o think_v the_o idol_n to_o be_v a_o god_n his_o answer_n be_v habuerunt_fw-la alios_fw-la deos_fw-la in_o coelo_fw-la alios_fw-la interrâ_fw-la 13._o nec_fw-la putaverunt_fw-la absurdum_fw-la si_fw-la unus_fw-la deus_fw-la coelestibus_fw-la ut_fw-la jupiter_n vel_fw-la apollo_n haberet_fw-la interrâ_fw-la multos_fw-la collegas_fw-la minores_fw-la id_fw-la est_fw-la multa_fw-la idola_fw-la eiusdem_fw-la nominis_fw-la the_o heathen_n have_v some_o god_n in_o heaven_n some_o on_o earth_n neither_o do_v they_o think_v it_o a_o absurdity_n that_o one_o god_n in_o heaven_n as_o jupiter_n or_o apollo_n shall_v have_v many_o fellow_n god_n inferior_a upon_o earth_n that_o be_v many_o idol_n to_o bear_v their_o name_n and_o i_o pray_v you_o what_o be_v this_o answer_n but_o a_o confession_n or_o grant_v of_o that_o which_o i_o have_v allege_v that_o the_o heathen_n account_v their_o god_n which_o they_o think_v to_o be_v in_o heaven_n to_o be_v god_n indeed_o &_o these_o upon_o earth_n before_o who_o they_o prostrate_v themselves_o to_o be_v but_o idol_n and_o representation_n of_o they_o which_o be_v in_o heaven_n therefore_o they_o do_v not_o think_v they_o be_v go_n second_o they_o frame_v daily_o new_a idol_n and_o yet_o say_v not_o that_o they_o make_v new_a go_n his_o answer_n be_v putarunt_fw-la gentes_fw-la senovos_fw-la deos_fw-la facere_fw-la saltem_fw-la terrestres_fw-la the_o gentile_n so_o do_v think_v at_o the_o least_o they_o make_v such_o god_n as_o be_v upon_o earth_n although_o not_o such_o as_o be_v in_o heaven_n which_o be_v no_o more_o than_o he_o speak_v before_o to_o the_o first_o objection_n a_o grant_n of_o that_o which_o i_o have_v object_v three_o mutarunt_fw-la simulacra_fw-la pro_fw-la arbitrio_fw-la nec_fw-la tamen_fw-la deos_fw-la mutarunt_fw-la they_o change_v their_o idol_n at_o their_o pleasure_n whereas_o their_o god_n continue_v the_o same_o to_o it_o he_o say_v respondeo_fw-la ethnicos_fw-la eâdem_fw-la stultitiâ_fw-la quâ_fw-la putabunt_fw-la deos_fw-la posse_fw-la fieri_fw-la manibus_fw-la hominum_fw-la potuisse_fw-la etiam_fw-la credere_fw-la deos_fw-la aliquos_fw-la potuisse_fw-la destrui_fw-la manibus_fw-la hominum_fw-la as_o the_o heathen_n in_o their_o foolishness_n think_v they_o can_v make_v god_n with_o their_o hand_n so_o in_o as_o great_a folly_n they_o think_v they_o can_v destroy_v the_o god_n which_o they_o have_v make_v and_o this_o be_v no_o more_o than_o be_v in_o the_o answer_n to_o the_o first_o objection_n where_o he_o confess_v that_o in_o the_o opinion_n of_o the_o heathen_a their_o idol_n be_v but_o idol_n and_o no_o true_a go_n four_o s._n augustine_n relate_v that_o when_o the_o gentile_n be_v accuse_v of_o idolatry_n they_o answer_v that_o non_fw-la colebant_fw-la idolum_fw-la sed_fw-la numen_fw-la quod_fw-la per_fw-la idolum_fw-la significabatur_fw-la 113._o they_o do_v not_o worship_v the_o idol_n but_o the_o god_n which_o be_v represent_v by_o it_o this_o objection_n bellarmine_n repeat_v in_o his_o 2._o book_n and_o 11._o chapter_n but_o in_o the_o 13._o chapter_n where_o he_o take_v upon_o he_o to_o answer_v the_o argument_n go_v before_o as_o i_o have_v show_v he_o pass_v this_o over_o with_o silence_n but_o to_o to_o come_v the_o reason_n which_o bellarmine_n produce_v against_o we_o for_o proof_n of_o this_o defence_n if_o say_v he_o they_o do_v not_o believe_v these_o idol_n to_o be_v very_a god_n but_o representation_n only_o of_o god_n and_o so_o worship_v not_o they_o but_o god_n in_o they_o why_o do_v the_o prophet_n labour_n so_o much_o to_o persuade_v they_o that_o they_o be_v no_o god_n i_o answer_v whatsoever_o we_o prostrate_v ourselves_o before_o 19_o in_o our_o prayer_n consequent_o we_o make_v it_o our_o god_n not_o by_o our_o opinion_n but_o by_o that_o adoration_n which_o be_v the_o prostrate_v of_o ourselves_o before_o it_o not_o direct_o but_o by_o a_o consequent_a and_o because_o the_o people_n do_v so_o the_o prophet_n and_o s._n paul_n in_o those_o place_n by_o he_o cite_v do_v not_o so_o much_o labour_n to_o prove_v they_o no_o god_n as_o if_o the_o people_n have_v think_v they_o to_o be_v so_o but_o because_o they_o prostrate_v themselves_o before_o they_o and_o so_o by_o a_o consequent_a make_v they_o god_n but_o say_v bellarmine_n if_o they_o do_v not_o think_v they_o to_o be_v god_n why_o do_v they_o invocate_v and_o call_v upon_o they_o why_o do_v they_o pray_v unto_o they_o unless_o they_o think_v that_o they_o do_v hear_v they_o i_o answer_v out_o of_o the_o roman_a catechism_n which_o hold_v this_o doctrine_n that_o they_o must_v pray_v to_o the_o image_n of_o saint_n in_o the_o romish_a church_n not_o 3._o think_v that_o the_o image_n can_v hear_v they_o but_o that_o the_o saint_n which_o by_o those_o image_n be_v represent_v shall_v hear_v they_o when_o they_o pray_v before_o their_o image_n the_o word_n be_v these_o quum_fw-la ad_fw-la imaginem_fw-la sancti_fw-la alicuius_fw-la quis_fw-la dominicam_fw-la orationem_fw-la pronunciet_a ita_fw-la tum_fw-la sentiat_fw-la se_fw-la ab_fw-la illo_fw-la petere_fw-la ut_fw-la secum_fw-la oret_fw-la sibique_fw-la postulet_fw-la ea_fw-la quae_fw-la dominicae_fw-la orationis_fw-la formulâ_fw-la continentur_fw-la &_o svi_fw-la denique_fw-la sit_fw-la interpres_fw-la &_o deprecator_fw-la apud_fw-la deum_fw-la when_o any_o man_n say_v the_o lord_n prayer_n before_o the_o image_n of_o any_o saint_n let_v his_o meaning_n be_v thus_o that_o he_o crave_v of_o the_o saint_n himself_o who_o image_n it_o be_v that_o the_o saint_n will_v pray_v with_o he_o and_o obtain_v 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be_v two_o sort_n of_o man_n paucitas_fw-la saluendorum_fw-la the_o paucity_n or_o small_a remnant_n of_o they_o which_o be_v save_v and_o concern_v they_o bellarmine_n his_o defence_n be_v all_o one_o with_o we_o that_o they_o be_v save_v no_o cause_n be_v in_o themselves_o but_o only_o in_o god_n without_o any_o foresight_n of_o any_o thing_n in_o they_o he_o say_v it_o be_v a_o doctrine_n consonant_a to_o 10._o scripture_n to_o the_o tradition_n of_o the_o church_n &_o to_o reason_v ground_v upon_o scripture_n and_o father_n the_o difference_n between_o he_o and_o we_o be_v only_o concern_v they_o which_o be_v comprehend_v in_o the_o second_o rank_n which_o be_v numerositas_fw-la damnatorum_fw-la the_o great_a multitude_n of_o they_o which_o be_v damn_v of_o they_o he_o say_v caluiniani_n contendunt_fw-la homines_fw-la ante_fw-la praevisionem_fw-la paccati_fw-la ad_fw-la mortem_fw-la 16._o destinatos_fw-la quod_fw-la cum_fw-la dei_fw-la iustitiâ_fw-la pugnat_fw-la it_o can_v stand_v with_o the_o justice_n of_o god_n to_o ordain_v man_n to_o destruction_n without_o foresight_n of_o some_o cause_n to_o be_v in_o themselves_o our_o answer_n be_v god_n ordain_v they_o to_o destruction_n of_o his_o own_o will_n not_o for_o their_o sin_n and_o yet_o not_o be_v without_o sin_n but_o bring_v with_o they_o into_o the_o world_n from_o their_o nativity_n and_o conception_n sufficient_a matter_n of_o condemnation_n before_o his_o decree_n shall_v be_v put_v in_o execution_n as_o the_o hebrews_n when_o they_o be_v in_o egypt_n do_v both_o build_v for_o pharaoh_n and_o also_o find_v straw_n themselves_o to_o make_v mortar_n for_o the_o build_n we_o distinguish_v 7._o inter_fw-la vasa_fw-la ipsa_fw-la &_o universam_fw-la massam_fw-la between_o the_o vessel_n in_o particular_a which_o be_v make_v to_o condemnation_n and_o the_o whole_a lump_n out_o of_o which_o they_o be_v fashion_v and_o frame_v though_o they_o be_v ordain_v to_o damnation_n for_o no_o iniquity_n which_o be_v 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answer_v thou_o and_o to_o which_o of_o the_o saint_n will_v thou_o turn_v 19_o kemnit_fw-la the_o meaning_n be_v not_o that_o job_n in_o his_o calamity_n shall_v fly_v to_o the_o saint_n for_o succour_n but_o that_o instance_n can_v not_o be_v give_v in_o any_o saint_n who_o ever_o god_n punish_v without_o just_a cause_n bellarm._n job._n 33._o 23._o if_o there_o be_v a_o angel_n with_o he_o one_o of_o a_o thousand_o to_o declare_v unto_o man_n his_o righteousness_n then_o will_v he_o have_v mercy_n upon_o he_o and_o say_v deliver_v he_o that_o he_o go_v not_o down_o into_o the_o pit_n for_o i_o have_v receive_v a_o reconciliation_n kemnit_fw-la if_o there_o be_v present_v a_o minister_n of_o god_n word_n for_o minister_n be_v call_v angel_n and_o out_o of_o the_o word_n of_o god_n he_o shall_v show_v unto_o man_n what_o be_v right_a and_o just_a and_o so_o the_o ministry_n of_o the_o word_n shall_v be_v apply_v for_o comfort_n to_o the_o terrify_a and_o distress_a conscience_n god_n 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