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such_o imputation_n but_o yourself_o be_v become_v faulty_a in_o calumniate_a the_o ordinance_n of_o christ_n viz_o the_o baptism_n of_o infant_n account_v it_o a_o antichristian_a error_n which_o i_o wish_v you_o well_o to_o consider_v of_o and_o not_o to_o add_v sin_n unto_o sin_n both_o in_o plead_v for_o error_n and_o in_o disgrace_v the_o truth_n and_o the_o professor_n thereof_o further_o you_o say_v it_o will_v not_o help_v i_o that_o these_o two_o truth_n have_v be_v condemn_v for_o heresy_n by_o the_o church_n in_o all_o age_n for_o if_o the_o apostle_n afford_v contrary_a to_o the_o succeed_a age_n that_o which_o be_v most_o ancient_a be_v the_o truth_n i_o grant_v if_o you_o can_v prove_v that_o the_o apostle_n age_n affoard_v contrary_a to_o the_o succeed_a age_n for_o the_o iustifieng_v of_o these_o your_o opinion_n that_o then_o you_o have_v good_a warrant_n of_o your_o side_n for_o call_v they_o truth_n but_o if_o the_o church_n which_o have_v condemn_v your_o position_n 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mat._n 11._o 6._o but_o if_o you_o which_o have_v stand_v for_o the_o truth_n shall_v now_o by_o publish_v of_o error_n cause_n the_o truth_n to_o be_v the_o more_o blaspheme_v &_o give_v offence_n to_o weak_a professor_n that_o be_v your_o sin_n and_o will_v be_v too_o heavy_a to_o be_v answer_v at_o the_o judgement_n day_n if_o you_o repent_v not_o and_o as_o for_o our_o church_n which_o you_o blasphemous_o call_v antichristian_a know_v you_o that_o i_o do_v not_o fear_v the_o fall_n of_o it_o for_o it_o be_v build_v upon_o the_o foundation_n of_o the_o apostle_n &_o prophet_n jesus_n christ_n himself_o be_v the_o chief_a corner_n stone_n ephe._n 2_o 20._o which_o have_v a_o sure_a promise_n that_o the_o gate_n of_o hell_n shall_v not_o prevail_v against_o it_o mat._n 16._o 18._o and_o therefore_o your_o anathema_n can_v hurt_v we_o but_o shall_v rebound_v back_o again_o whence_o it_o come_v 4._o you_o say_v though_o i_o have_v profess_v to_o forsake_v my_o error_n upon_o their_o discovery_n and_o as_o i_o have_v practise_v for_o which_o i_o be_o reproach_v among_o your_o brethren_n yet_o i_o never_o profeess_v my_o readiness_n to_o be_v pervert_v from_o the_o truth_n which_o you_o call_v heresy_n and_o therefore_o if_o you_o do_v undertake_v to_o write_v upon_o this_o ground_n you_o may_v well_o have_v spare_v your_o pain_n and_o save_v yourself_o from_o so_o grevous_a a_o sin_n by_o plead_v for_o antichristian_a corruption_n etc._n etc._n the_o ground_n of_o my_o persuasion_n concern_v your_o willingness_n to_o yield_v unto_o the_o truth_n do_v arise_v partly_o from_o that_o persuasion_n which_o i_o have_v of_o your_o sanctification_n and_o partly_o from_o the_o speech_n of_o the_o messenger_n before_o name_v â—ho_fw-mi do_v affirm_v unto_o i_o that_o if_o i_o can_v manifest_v by_o the_o word_n of_o god_n â—hat_n it_o be_v error_n which_o you_o hold_v you_o will_v acknowledge_v it_o and_o still_o â—ou_fw-mi say_v if_o you_o be_v in_o error_n it_o be_v 71._o be_v passage_n page_v 71._o ignorant_o and_o therefore_o desirous_a of_o â—our_n good_a i_o do_v undertake_v according_a to_o my_o small_a ability_n to_o manifest_a â—he_n truth_n unto_o you_o by_o such_o reason_n as_o i_o can_v at_o that_o present_a gather_v for_o the_o confirmation_n of_o the_o same_o which_o see_v you_o make_v so_o small_a account_n of_o and_o answer_v i_o that_o i_o may_v have_v spare_v my_o pain_n and_o save_v myself_o from_o sin_n i_o be_o sorry_a in_o that_o respect_n that_o i_o do_v write_v yet_o in_o regard_n of_o witness_v the_o â—ruth_n and_o perform_v a_o duty_n towards_o a_o brother_n fall_v into_o error_n i_o repent_v â—e_v not_o neither_o yet_o of_o commit_v any_o grevous_a sin_n thereby_o as_o you_o charge_v i_o withal_o see_v i_o plead_v for_o that_o which_o be_v of_o christ_n and_o not_o for_o antichristian_a corruption_n and_o as_o for_o your_o error_n so_o often_o grace_v by_o you_o with_o the_o title_n of_o truth_n which_o you_o say_v you_o never_o profess_v to_o be_v pervert_v from_o i_o mervayle_v not_o great_o thereat_o for_o heresy_n be_v a_o work_n of_o the_o flesh_n gal._n 5._o 20._o that_o be_v easy_o and_o quick_o embrace_v but_o not_o so_o leave_v and_o herein_o differ_v from_o the_o truth_n to_o the_o receive_n whereof_o we_o be_v hardly_o draw_v as_o both_o you_o and_o i_o have_v experience_n but_o error_n drinck_v as_o a_o pleasant_a potion_n rev._n 18._o 3._o without_o resistance_n and_o bewitch_v many_o that_o they_o shall_v not_o obey_v the_o truth_n describe_v and_o plain_o manifest_v in_o their_o sight_n gal._n 3._o 1._o the_o poison_n whereof_o i_o be_o sorry_a have_v so_o infect_v your_o soul_n that_o you_o seem_v to_o be_v change_v into_o the_o nature_n thereof_o and_o to_o be_v as_o confident_a therein_o as_o in_o any_o truth_n of_o the_o gospel_n and_o though_o you_o account_v my_o pray_v to_o be_v for_o a_o overthrow_n of_o the_o lord_n truth_n which_o be_v in_o deed_n for_o the_o conversion_n of_o you_o and_o that_o deceive_a company_n with_o you_o from_o your_o error_n yet_o will_v i_o pray_v still_o that_o god_n may_v open_v your_o eye_n if_o you_o belong_v to_o he_o to_o see_v your_o grevous_a fall_n &_o glorify_v the_o truth_n of_o god_n which_o in_o this_o your_o writing_n so_o great_o you_o have_v disgrace_v now_o i_o will_v come_v to_o answer_v the_o position_n with_o the_o reason_n thereof_o and_o first_o concern_v the_o former_a which_o be_v this_o 1._o that_o infant_n be_v not_o to_o be_v baptize_v touch_v this_o first_o position_n that_o infant_n be_v not_o to_o be_v baptize_v i_o read_v that_o auxentius_n one_o of_o the_o arrian_n sect_n with_o his_o adheâ—nts_n be_v one_o of_o the_o first_o that_o deny_v the_o baptism_n of_o infant_n &_o 〈◊〉_d after_o he_o pelagius_n the_o heretic_n against_o who_o augustine_n &_o other_o of_o the_o ancient_a father_n have_v oppose_v and_o condemn_v for_o heresy_n and_o that_o according_a to_o the_o scripture_n which_o by_o god_n grace_n we_o shall_v together_o with_o they_o also_o further_o manifest_a &_o prove_v by_o sound_a reason_n out_o of_o the_o word_n the_o lawfulness_n of_o baptise_v infant_n which_o first_o i_o will_v untertake_v and_o then_o answer_v the_o reason_n to_o the_o contrary_n mr_n smyth_n now_o in_o the_o next_o place_n you_o make_v a_o special_a preface_n to_o the_o first_o point_n affirm_v thaâ—_n baptism_n of_o infant_n be_v deny_v by_o auxentius_n the_o arrian_n &_o by_o pelagius_n etc._n etc._n rich_a clifton_n i_o say_v that_o auxentius_n the_o arrian_n be_v one_o of_o the_o first_o that_o deny_v the_o baptism_n of_o infant_n and_o then_o pelagius_n who_o augustine_n and_o other_o refute_v and_o condemn_v for_o heresy_n and_o you_o answer_v thus_o that_o one_o heretic_n condemn_v
before_o and_o have_v show_v that_o the_o apostle_n handle_v there_o no_o such_o thing_n as_o you_o do_v gather_v as_o for_o the_o reveyl_v of_o this_o division_n of_o the_o sonâ—s_n of_o isaac_n which_o you_o say_v be_v to_o the_o church_n indeed_o thus_o much_o be_v reveil_v to_o rebecca_n gen._n 25._o 23._o it_o be_v tell_v she_o that_o two_o nation_n be_v in_o thy_o womb_n and_o two_o manner_n of_o people_n shall_v be_v divide_v out_o of_o thy_o bowel_n and_o the_o one_o people_n shall_v be_v mighty_a than_o the_o other_o &_o the_o elder_n shall_v serve_v the_o young_a mean_v that_o they_o that_o shall_v descend_v of_o the_o elder_a brother_n shall_v serve_v they_o that_o come_v of_o the_o young_a see_v the_o blessing_n of_o isaac_n to_o his_o two_o son_n gen._n 27._o 27._o 28._o 29_o 39_o 40_o abdi_n 10._o but_o that_o the_o personal_a reprobation_n of_o esau_n be_v reveal_v then_o to_o rebecca_n or_o to_o the_o church_n do_v not_o appear_v in_o these_o word_n before_o rehearse_v can_v any_o say_v that_o none_o of_o esau_n his_o posterty_n be_v in_o god_n secret_a election_n &_o if_o this_o scripture_n will_v not_o warrant_v any_o so_o to_o judge_n than_o neither_o will_v it_o warrant_v rebecca_n so_o to_o apply_v it_o to_o her_o son_n be_v so_o general_o speak_v the_o personal_a rejection_n either_o of_o ishmael_n or_o esau_n be_v not_o revel_v until_o by_o their_o evil_a work_n they_o manife_v themselves_o and_o therefore_o these_o child_n be_v bear_v in_o the_o church_n as_o esau_n be_v in_o jacobs_n house_n be_v to_o be_v repute_v holy_a to_o be_v circumcise_v and_o hold_v of_o the_o covenant_n until_o there_o wickedness_n throw_v they_o out_o that_o the_o whole_a church_n of_o the_o jew_n be_v not_o under_o the_o possession_n of_o the_o everlasting_a covenant_n in_o respect_n of_o christ_n but_o only_o under_o the_o offer_n of_o it_o i_o use_v these_o reason_n first_o the_o condition_n or_o obedience_n of_o the_o matter_n or_o member_n of_o the_o new_a testament_n be_v not_o the_o condition_n or_o obedience_n of_o the_o matter_n or_o member_n of_o the_o old_a testament_n fayth_n and_o 〈…〉_o tance_n be_v the_o condition_n and_o obedience_n of_o the_o matter_n and_o member_n of_o the_o new_a testa_n 〈…〉_o mar._n 1._o 15._o ergo_fw-la faith_n and_o repentance_n be_v not_o the_o condition_n or_o obedience_n of_o 〈◊〉_d matter_n or_o member_n of_o the_o old_a testament_n your_o proposition_n be_v not_o true_a you_o exclude_v faith_n and_o repentance_n from_o â—he_n member_n of_o the_o old_a testament_n as_o if_o by_o their_o covenant_n they_o be_v not_o â—ound_v to_o believe_v and_o obey_v his_o commandment_n which_o be_v contrary_a to_o these_o scripture_n gen._n 17_o 1._o 6._o rom._n 4._o 3._o 13._o heb._n 11._o 17._o jam._n 2._o 21._o 23._o deu._n 19_o 9-20_a &_o 10._o 12._o 13._o 20._o that_o repentance_n be_v require_v of_o the_o jew_n not_o only_o the_o prophet_n often_o exhort_v of_o they_o to_o repentance_n do_v witness_n as_o before_o be_v observe_v but_o also_o in_o that_o their_o repètance_n 17._o repètance_n jud._n 2._o â—_o 1_o san_n 7._o 3â—_n ezr._n ca._n 1â—_n neh._n cap._n â—_o deut._n 9_o 10._o esa_n 1â—_n 16._o 17._o turn_v away_o god_n anger_n from_o they_o and_o the_o conditional_a 13_o conditional_a esa_n 1._o 1â—_n jer._n 3._o 22._o hos_fw-la 6._o 1._o â—_o 3._o &_o 14_o â—_o joel._n 2._o 13_o promise_n of_o pardon_n if_o they_o do_v repent_v also_o god_n threaten_v of_o judgement_n against_o they_o if_o they_o repent_v not_o and_o that_o faith_n be_v also_o require_v of_o they_o see_v all_o these_o scripture_n psal_n â—8_o 5._o 6._o 7._o 22._o 2_o chro._n 20._o 20._o esa_n 53._o 1._o and_o 7._o 9_o hab._n 2._o 4._o act._n 26._o 6._o 7._o heb._n 11._o 13._o 1_o cor._n 10._o 3._o 4._o and_o thus_o you_o see_v that_o that_o condition_n and_o obedience_n of_o the_o member_n of_o the_o new_a testament_n which_o you_o say_v be_v faith_n and_o repentance_n be_v also_o the_o condition_n and_o obedience_n of_o the_o member_n of_o the_o old_a test_n the_o reason_n of_o the_o mayor_n be_v evident_a etc._n etc._n see_v that_o as_o the_o ministry_n worship_n &_o government_n of_o the_o church_n of_o the_o old_a testament_n be_v of_o another_o nature_n than_o the_o ministry_n worship_n and_o government_n of_o the_o new_a testament_n be_v so_o the_o condition_n viz._n the_o matter_n and_o form_n of_o the_o church_n of_o the_o old_a testament_n be_v of_o a_o other_o nature_n than_o the_o constitution_n that_o be_v the_o matter_n and_o form_n of_o the_o new_a testament_n etc._n etc._n heb._n 7._o 16._o gal_n 5._o 3._o i_o answer_v first_o that_o it_o be_v not_o simple_o true_a that_o the_o ministry_n &_o worship_n of_o the_o church_n of_o the_o old_a test_n be_v of_o another_o nature_n from_o that_o of_o the_o gospel_n for_o although_o in_o their_o worship_n and_o ministry_n be_v many_o thing_n typical_a &_o ceremonial_a yet_o withal_a god_n require_v of_o they_o spiritual_a worship_n &_o obedience_n without_o which_o their_o 5_o their_o esa_n 1._o 12._o 15._o gâ—_n 4._o 5_o ceremonial_a be_v abominable_a also_o if_o preach_v of_o the_o word_n and_o prayer_n etc._n etc._n be_v of_o a_o spiritual_a nature_n than_o be_v their_o ministry_n and_o worship_n more_o than_o carnal_a the_o prophet_n 1â—_n prophet_n esa_n 56._o 1â—_n complain_v of_o neglect_n of_o teach_v in_o the_o priest_n which_o argue_v that_o they_o be_v bind_v by_o their_o calling_n to_o instruct_v the_o people_n malachy_n say_v 7._o say_v mal._n 2._o â—_o 6._o 7._o the_o priest_n lip_n shall_v preserve_v knowledge_n etc._n etc._n they_o shall_v seek_v the_o law_n at_o his_o mouth_n for_o he_o be_v the_o messenger_n of_o the_o lord_n of_o host_n and_o this_o be_v by_o office_n for_o the_o lord_n say_v my_o covenant_n be_v with_o levi_n of_o life_n and_o peace_n etc._n etc._n the_o law_n of_o truth_n be_v in_o his_o mouth_n and_o in_o jeremy_n the_o lord_n complain_v of_o the_o priest_n say_v they_o that_o shall_v minister_v the_o law_n â—ow_o i_o not_o promise_v unto_o the_o people_n if_o they_o repent_v that_o he_o will_v give_v they_o “_o pastor_n according_a to_o his_o own_o hart_n which_o shall_v feed_v they_o with_o â—_o â—â—r_fw-fr 3._o 15._o â—eh_fw-it 8._o â—_o act._n 13._o â—â—_o act._n 15._o â—_o knowledge_n and_o understanding_n and_o in_o nehemiah_n it_o be_v write_v that_o the_o priest_n and_o levite_n †_o read_v in_o the_o book_n of_o the_o law_n and_o give_v the_o sense_n and_o cause_v the_o people_n to_o understand_v the_o read_n and_o this_o by_o their_o office_n lev._n 10._o 11._o the_o jew_n have_v the_o *_o lecture_n of_o the_o law_n and_o prophet_n in_o their_o synagogue_n and_o “_o moses_n have_v they_o of_o old_a time_n in_o every_o city_n that_o do_v preach_v he_o thus_o we_o see_v that_o the_o open_n of_o the_o law_n and_o preach_v of_o the_o scripture_n 17._o lev._n 9_o 22_o â—_o num._n â—_o 23._o 27._o â—_o 9_o 4_o 13_o â—_o &_o 10._o 1._o â—â—h_o 8._o 6._o â—l_n 1._o 14._o â—_o 2._o 16._o 17._o be_v a_o part_n of_o the_o ministry_n of_o the_o priest_n and_o levite_n and_o of_o their_o public_a worship_n on_o the_o sabbath_n also_o the_o priest_n †_o give_v thanks_o unto_o god_n for_o the_o people_n bless_v they_o and_o pray_v the_o temple_n be_v call_v the_o house_n of_o prayer_n math._n 21._o 13._o also_o they_o have_v certain_a hour_n of_o meeting_n at_o the_o temple_n which_o be_v call_v hour_n of_o prayer_n act._n 3._o 1._o and_o they_o be_v command_v spiritual_a sacrifice_n as_o ps_n 4._o 5._o &_o 50._o 14._o 15._o 23._o as_o former_o be_v observe_v concern_v the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n of_o the_o old_a testament_n which_o be_v by_o the_o priest_n and_o levite_n elder_n i_o know_v no_o great_a difference_n in_o nature_n of_o thâ—t_a church_n and_o of_o this_o under_o the_o gospel_n the_o former_a be_v govern_v ecclesiastical_o by_o the_o priest_n &_o elder_n mat._n 26._o 47._o luk._n 22._o 66_o act._n 23._o 14._o and_o 6._o 12._o and_o 13._o 15._o &_o 18._o 8._o 2_o chro._n 19_o 8._o and_o so_o the_o church_n of_o the_o new_a testament_n be_v to_o be_v govern_v by_o the_o 27._o mat._n 18._o â—5_n 16._o 17._o â—_o cor._n 5._o 3._o 5_o â—_o exo._n 19_o 6._o â—_o exod_a 22._o â—1_n lev._n 14_o â—_o &_o 11._o 44_o use_v 20._o 7._o â—_o pet._n 1._o 16._o rom._n 11._o 16_o â—_o deu._n 4._o 20_o &_o 5._o 2._o psa_fw-la â—0_n 3._o 4._o deu._n 14._o 2._o rom._n 11._o â—19_a 23._o â—_o 27._o minister_n and_o elder_n act._n 20._o 28._o 1_o tim._n 5._o 17._o 1_o thes_n 5._o 12._o hebr._n 13_o 8._o the_o censure_n ecclesiastical_a under_o the_o old_a testament_n be_v admonition_n &_o cast_v out_o of_o the_o synagogue_n
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etc._n and_o therefore_o to_o be_v as_o pagan_n or_o gentile_n in_o the_o lord_n account_v and_o to_o justify_v apostate_n israel_n retain_v circumcision_n to_o be_v a_o true_a church_n for_o your_o plead_n against_o the_o adultery_n of_o rome_n i_o dislike_v not_o but_o by_o these_o your_o argument_n &_o manner_n of_o plead_v you_o shall_v never_o convince_v she_o or_o ever_o be_v able_a to_o justify_v that_o adulterous_a church_n of_o israel_n neither_o will_v this_o your_o reason_n stand_v good_a that_o circumcision_n in_o the_o israelite_n apostasy_n be_v true_a because_o it_o be_v perform_v upon_o carnal_a israelite_n or_o proselyte_n the_o 8._o day_n and_o that_o baptism_n in_o popery_n be_v false_a and_o in_o the_o lord_n account_v no_o better_o then_o pagan_a wash_n etc._n etc._n for_o as_o much_o may_v be_v say_v for_o baptism_n administer_v to_o the_o apostate_n church_n of_o antichrist_n as_o yoâ—_n can_v say_v for_o circumcision_n in_o the_o apostasy_n of_o israel_n and_o 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circumcision_n of_o israel_n be_v also_o true_a this_o be_v strange_a that_o israel_n can_v be_v a_o true_a church_n &_o yet_o infinite_o corrupt_a can_v â—â—l_n â—â—l_n a_o wife_n be_v a_o true_a wife_n &_o also_o a_o harlot_n thus_o you_o may_v as_o well_o justify_v rome_n &_o all_o antichristian_a assembly_n the_o holy_a ghost_n call_v both_o *_o aholah_n and_o aholibah_n 23_o ezech._n 23_o harlot_n and_o you_o in_o their_o infinite_a corruption_n instifye_v they_o to_o be_v true_a church_n and_o particular_o of_o israel_n the_o lord_n say_v †_o plead_v with_o your_o 2._o hose_n 2._o 2._o mother_n for_o she_o be_v not_o my_o wife_n and_o you_o say_v she_o be_v a_o true_a church_n that_o be_v a_o true_a wife_n direct_o contradict_v the_o holy_a ghost_n but_o you_o reason_n if_o judah_n retain_v true_a circumcision_n in_o her_o apostasy_n than_o israel_n etc._n etc._n then_o if_o either_o juda_n her_o circumcision_n be_v false_a or_o that_o your_o comparison_n be_v not_o equal_a 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it_o be_v in_o the_o day_n of_o vzziah_n king_n of_o juda_n and_o about_o the_o 23._o the_o perkiâ—_n specimen_fw-la â—_o etc._n etc._n pag._n 3_o †_o 2._o kinâ—_n 17._o 23._o 23._o year_n of_o his_o reign_n which_o be_v almost_o 60._o year_n before_o ezechias_n begin_v to_o reign_v and_o before_o the_o lord_n †_o put_v israel_n out_o of_o his_o sight_n now_o so_o long_o before_o the_o prophet_n be_v bid_v to_o tell_v israel_n that_o she_o be_v not_o the_o lord_n wife_n this_o be_v so_o i_o will_v know_v how_o you_o or_o any_o can_v justify_v israel_n to_o be_v a_o true_a church_n when_o the_o lord_n deny_v she_o she_o have_v break_v covenant_n &_o her_o divorcement_n as_o you_o call_v it_o argue_v as_o much_o for_o man_n put_v from_o they_o wife_n that_o have_v break_v the_o band_n of_o marriage_n and_o not_o true_a wife_n to_o that_o of_o hosea_n 4._o 6._o 8._o 12._o i_o have_v answer_v pag._n 152._o furthermore_o you_o say_v when_o the_o bill_n of_o divorce_n be_v give_v divers_a of_o isâ—ael_n keep_v themselves_o pure_a from_o samaritanism_n and_o go_v yearly_a to_o jerusalem_n i_o doubt_v thereof_o no_o more_o than_o you_o according_a to_o these_o scripture_n 2._o chron._n 34._o 6._o 7._o 31._o 32._o 33._o and_o 35._o 18._o and_o 30._o 11._o but_o we_o reason_n of_o the_o face_n of_o that_o church_n as_o it_o stand_v in_o apostasy_n and_o so_o continue_v and_o not_o of_o particular_a person_n in_o babylon_n god_n have_v he_o yet_o the_o face_n of_o that_o church_n of_o antichrist_n be_v apostate_n and_o false_a to_o the_o lord_n and_o so_o we_o say_v of_o israel_n that_o if_o we_o respect_v the_o outward_a face_n of_o it_o it_o be_v a_o false_a church_n to_o god_n long_o before_o samaritanism_n begin_v and_o here_o i_o observe_v that_o you_o agree_v not_o with_o yourself_o for_o here_o you_o say_v no_o manner_n of_o sin_n make_v the_o church_n of_o the_o old_a testament_n a_o false_a church_n and_o yet_o you_o call_v it_o apostate_n as_o also_o you_o do_v the_o like_a in_o your_o parallel_n pag._n 14._o and_o 26._o and_o it_o be_v as_o much_o as_o we_o say_v of_o it_o for_o that_o people_n that_o be_v fall_v into_o apostasy_n have_v break_v faith_n and_o covenant_n with_o god_n and_o if_o in_o any_o place_n we_o call_v israel_n or_o antichrist_n a_o false_a church_n we_o mean_v no_o other_o but_o a_o church_n that_o have_v unfaithful_o depart_v from_o the_o lord_n and_o so_o continue_v in_o apostasy_n ii_o argument_n babylon_n in_o chaldea_n which_o be_v a_o type_n of_o spiritual_a babylon_n reve._n 18._o 2._o though_o she_o do_v abuse_v and_o profane_v the_o vessel_n of_o the_o lord_n dan._n 5._o 3._o yet_o do_v not_o that_o make_v a_o nullity_n of_o they_o that_o they_o cease_v any_o more_o to_o be_v the_o vessel_n of_o the_o house_n of_o the_o lord_n but_o be_v bring_v with_o they_o of_o the_o captivity_n that_o come_v up_o from_o babylon_n to_o jerusalem_n ezra_n 1._o 11._o even_o so_o although_o spiritual_a babylon_n have_v 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re._n or_o example_n or_o else_o you_o reject_v it_o as_o antichristian_a now_o yâ—â—_n be_v press_v with_o this_o act_n of_o zippora_fw-la you_o show_v nether_a nor_o any_o reason_n for_o the_o lawfullnes_n of_o the_o fact_n and_o yet_o you_o defend_v it_o answer_v that_o you_o know_v nothing_o to_o the_o contrary_a but_o zippora_fw-la may_v circumcise_v her_o son_n etc._n etc._n what_o needs_o the_o scripture_n to_o forbid_v woman_n to_o circumcise_v when_o for_o the_o adminisstring_n of_o that_o ceremony_n god_n give_v commandment_n that_o abraham_n the_o 4_o the_o gen._n 17._o 7._o â—om_n p._n with_o â—ers_n 10-13_a â—osuah_n 5._o 2_o â—_o 4_o master_n of_o the_o family_n shall_v circumcise_v all_o his_o male_n as_o baptism_n be_v now_o 19_o now_o mat._n 28._o 19_o enjoin_v to_o the_o apostle_n and_o minister_n of_o christ_n the_o which_o commandment_n disable_v all_o other_o whether_o woman_n or_o man_n that_o have_v not_o such_o call_n from_o god_n for_o the_o administeration_n 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