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through_o faith_n which_o be_v in_o christ_n jesus_n here_o be_v study_v of_o the_o scripture_n note_v of_o the_o church_n canon_n here_o be_v faith_n in_o jesus_n christ_n not_o in_o the_o church_n the_o scripture_n as_o i_o say_v or_o ignorant_a of_o such_o expression_n chap._n viii_o of_o the_o spirit_n of_o spiritist_n when_o i_o have_v read_v this_o title_n and_o compare_v it_o with_o the_o title_n of_o your_o ten_o chapter_n i_o think_v spiritist_n and_o protestant_n have_v note_v two_o distinct_a kind_n of_o person_n but_o the_o matter_n of_o this_o and_o the_o next_o chapter_n show_v that_o in_o the_o language_n of_o the_o beast_n they_o be_v the_o same_o it_o be_v strange_a you_o bring_v not_o in_o scripturist_n and_o christian_n they_o be_v equal_o strange_a to_o you_o who_o glory_n only_o in_o the_o name_n catholic_a but_o why_o do_v you_o use_v these_o name_n be_v it_o
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the_o midst_n of_o papist_n and_o popish_a person_n i_o have_v give_v myself_o to_o observe_v their_o way_n and_o i_o find_v the_o best_a of_o they_o notorious_a profaner_n of_o the_o lord_n day_n spend_v it_o either_o in_o drink_v or_o walk_v about_o from_o house_n to_o house_n or_o sport_v and_o if_o they_o have_v protestant_a servant_n employ_v they_o about_o their_o worldly_a business_n as_o much_o as_o on_o any_o other_o day_n but_o sir_n i_o may_v say_v of_o yourself_o and_o such_o like_a as_o hiero._n of_o some_o qâ—um_fw-la bona_fw-la imitari_fw-la non_fw-la queant_fw-la etc._n etc._n hierom._n hierom._n when_o they_o can_v imitate_v the_o good_a be_v in_o we_o which_o they_o can_v only_o do_v they_o envy_v we_o &_o in_o this_o think_v themselves_o very_o learned_a that_o they_o can_v detract_v from_o we_o you_o can_v imitate_v therefore_o envy_n it_o be_v one_o piece_n of_o jesuitical_a learning_n to_o slander_v what_o you_o bring_v those_o name_n of_o our_o author_n in_o your_o margin_n for_o i_o know_v not_o i_o be_o sure_o be_v they_o alive_a they_o will_v accuse_v you_o of_o slander_v they_o 3._o you_o say_v this_o spirit_n in_o we_o prompt_v thing_n contrary_a and_o inconsistent_a each_o with_o other_o ans_fw-fr the_o spirit_n in_o we_o be_v the_o spirit_n of_o truth_n and_o lead_v we_o into_o truth_n not_o universal_o and_o infallible_o as_o if_o we_o know_v all_o truth_n and_o err_v in_o nothing_o for_o it_o be_v not_o give_v full_o and_o perfect_o though_o there_o be_v light_n in_o we_o yet_o it_o be_v not_o without_o darkness_n if_o it_o be_v we_o shall_v be_v angel_n rather_o than_o man_n comprehensor_n rather_o than_o traveller_n this_o spirit_n keep_v we_o from_o the_o destructivenesse_n of_o error_n not_o from_o error_n yet_o i_o say_v the_o confession_n of_o the_o reform_a church_n be_v most_o harmonious_a our_o church_n teach_v not_o thing_n contrary_a nor_o inconsistent_a each_o with_o othea_n though_o particular_a man_n in_o our_o church_n may_v dissent_v in_o some_o point_n as_o in_o all_o church_n 3._o in_o your_o last_o section_n you_o bring_v in_o and_o answer_v two_o argument_n form_v as_o i_o suppose_v upon_o the_o anvil_n of_o your_o own_o brain_n 1._o god_n be_v no_o accepter_n of_o person_n his_o spirit_n be_v free_a may_v breathe_v on_o who_o he_o please_v to_o this_o you_o answer_v this_o be_v out_o of_o the_o matter_n in_o hand_n here_o be_v no_o dispute_n of_o god_n power_n what_o he_o may_v do_v but_o of_o his_o will_n what_o he_o do_v reply_v when_o i_o know_v who_o argument_n this_o be_v and_o see_v the_o form_n of_o it_o i_o shall_v vindicate_v it_o from_o your_o answer_n if_o i_o like_v it_o at_o present_a i_o shall_v shall_v only_o desire_v you_o to_o remember_v your_o answer_n when_o you_o come_v to_o the_o point_n of_o transubstantiation_n 2._o arg_n and_o answ_n their_o other_o ground_n for_o inspiration_n upon_o the_o assurance_n of_o conscience_n st._n paul_n and_o st._n augustine_n 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work_n that_o st._n paul_n and_o augustine_n conscience_n do_v err_v you_o acknowledge_v it_o be_v the_o one_o persecute_a the_o church_n the_o other_o the_o truth_n why_o shall_v not_o the_o spirit_n when_o by_o conscience_n it_o testify_v of_o itself_o be_v regard_v as_o when_o it_o testify_v of_o work_n you_o say_v conscience_n can_v have_v no_o great_a certainty_n than_o the_o understanding_n that_o give_v it_o be_v and_o the_o understanding_n often_o miss_v i_o grant_v that_o the_o understanding_n of_o itself_o be_v errable_a and_o subject_a to_o mistake_n but_o be_v guide_v by_o the_o spirit_n its_o certain_a and_o so_o be_v conscience_n the_o apostle_n say_v we_o know_v thâ—t_o we_o devil_n in_o he_o and_o he_o in_o we_o 4.13_o 1_o john_n 4.13_o because_o he_o have_v give_v we_o of_o his_o spirit_n and_o we_o see_v and_o do_v testify_v etc._n etc._n upon_o which_o word_n your_o gloss_n say_v per_fw-la hoc_fw-la etc._n etc._n hereby_o we_o prove_v that_o he_o have_v give_v we_o 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will_v waver_v because_o of_o suppose_a want_n of_o succession_n and_o for_o stubborn_a misbeliever_n the_o proof_n of_o succession_n will_v not_o bend_v or_o make_v they_o supple_a they_o that_o will_v not_o believe_v moses_n and_o the_o prophet_n speak_v in_o scripture_n will_v not_o believe_v though_o one_o shall_v rise_v from_o the_o dead_a luke_n 16.31_o but_o to_o what_o purpose_n bring_v you_o the_o text_n 1_o pet._n 3._o there_o be_v nothing_o in_o it_o for_o succession_n in_o order_n to_o the_o bend_n of_o the_o mind_n of_o misbeliever_n unless_o you_o understand_v the_o wife_n be_v in_o subjection_n to_o their_o own_o husband_n whereby_o they_o that_o obey_v not_o the_o word_n may_v without_o the_o word_n be_v win_v to_o be_v the_o wife_n prove_v their_o episcopal_a succession_n but_o for_o the_o necessity_n of_o produce_v succession_n you_o urge_v testimony_n and_o reason_n which_o i_o shall_v now_o in_o order_n examine_v the_o testimony_n be_v these_o viz._n of_o 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