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church_n	council_n	infallibility_n	infallible_a	4,066	5	9.7915	5	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A80796	The vindication of A. Cresner, school-master in Long-Acre, from the aspersions of A. Pulton, Jesuit and school-master in the Savoy together with some account of his discourse with Mr. Meredith. Imprimatur, Octob. 24. 1687. Hic liber cui titulus The vindication of A. Cresner, &c. H. Maurice Reverendissimo in Christo P.D. Wilhelmo Archiep. Cant. à Sacris.	Chresner, A.; Pulton, A. (Andrew), 1654-1710.; Meredith, Edward, 1648-1689?	1687 (1687)	Wing C6885; ESTC R202667	9,221	16

assembled it self at the Sollicitation of Christian Princes and by the sole Authority and Power of the College of Cardinals Now if a Council cannot be Infallible without the Pope in Person or by his Legates then it is plain this Council was not Infallible because there was no true Pope in being for it conven'd to condem three false ones now were the Acts during the Interval of this Council Infallible or not To which M. P. answer'd in the affirmative To which A. C. reply'd What without a Pope To this our Disputant said That this signified little so long as the Pope confirm'd what the Council had done and when A. C. reply'd That the question was not about the Infallibility of the Decrees after Confirmation but whither the Decisions of the Council before Confirmation were Obligatory upon Mens Consciences so as to oblige all Persons of what Capacity soever to act in pursuance of them and if they were then such submission must be due to them by vertue of some Infallible Authority enjoyning such submission but the Authority that enjoyn'd the Execution of the Canons of this Council was not Infallible because it wanted an Essential part of its Infallibility viz. the Presence of the Pope in Person or by his Legats thus these Qualifications being wanting the Authority that exacted Obedience to their Decrees was fallible and upon that score could not indispensibly oblige any Individual Member of their Church to submit to it with an implicit Obedience M. P. still urged the Confirmation which the Pope gave the Acts of this Council for their being infallible and therefore Universally Obligatory A. C. seeing our Disputant could not be made to drop this Insignificant shift asked him what that was the Pope confirmed an Error For amongst the Acts of this Council the Supremacy of a Council above a Pope was actually decreed but the Council of Trent which came afterward decreed just the contrary Now one of these Councils was certainly mistaken for their Canons which respect this Article are form'd in direct contrariety to each other this Council coming under debate A. C. ask'd our Jesuit What he thought of the Decree made at Trent about the Forfeiture that Princes were to suffer in Case they should permit any Duellings in their Territories The Import of the Decree in English runs in this Sense in short viz. That if the places on which the Duels were fought be Fief Lands they shall Escheat to the Lords of the Fiefe I do not exactly remember whether our Disputant objected that Clause quod ab Ecclesia obtinent which implies that the Forfeiture should only be of those Lands that were holden of the Church and if our Jesuit did object this because I would not omit any thing material he said in his defence A. C. answers in the Words of a late Ingenious Gentleman who says That that Clause quod ab Ecclesia obtinent was inserted into the Decree only to hinder the opposition that would have been made by the Ambassadors of Kings and Princes who were present in that Council and who would never have let pass a Decree so destructive of their Master's Interests from all which A. C. Inferred He that can by Virtue of some Right residing in himself dispose upon any pretence whatsoever of a parcel of Land as big as this Room speaking of the Room he was in may take away a Province and he that may Jure suo take away a Province may rifle a Prince of his Dominions but that is deposing of them To which M. P. reply'd No such thing for if my Prince shall lay upon me a moderate Tax hath therefore that Prince a Right to all I have To which A. C. answer'd No adding That what M. P. urg'd as a Simile was not at all like the thing we disputed of for the Question was not of the Power of Princes over their Subjects but the Jurisdiction of the Ecclesiastical State over that of the Civil one without this latter States leave to which M. P. reply'd All good Princes ought to consent to the Decisions of the Church But answer'd A. C. suppose those good Princes are not in a very good Humour as 't is ten to one if they are when the Church decides so favourably for her self and have no mind to recede from their Right to any part or parts of their Dominions of which they are the true owners must they be dispossess'd of their Rights against their Wills To all which A. C. had no other answer than this or much to the same Effect viz. That in such a Case the Church had power to decide in favour of it self Well says A C. to our Jesuit if the Case be so I am satisfied and withal turned himself away and had some Discourse with a Gentleman by the Bed side FINIS ERRATA On the Title for Cresner r. Cressener pag. 2. line 12. for greater r. a greater p. 7. l. 30. for Term and Mode r. Term or Mode