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A59784 An ansvver to a discourse intituled, Papists protesting against Protestant-popery being a vindication of papists not misrepresented by Protestants : and containing a particular examination of Monsieur de Meaux, late Bishop of Condom, his Exposition of the doctrine of the Church of Rome, in the articles of invocation of saints, and the worship of images occasioned by that discourse. Sherlock, William, 1641?-1707. 1686 (1686) Wing S3259; ESTC R3874 97,621 118

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be_v p._n 5._o l._n 24._o for_o bulgradus_n r._n busgradus_fw-la p._n 26._o l._n 32._o deal_n to_o p._n 27._o l._n 27._o for_o fine_a r._n fierce_a p._n 35._o l._n 14._o for_o keep_v r._n help_n l._n 34._o for_o you_o r._n they_o p._n 100_o l._n 17._o for_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d r._n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d p._n 110._o l._n 13._o for_o 2ly_a r_o 3_o the_o page_n mistake_v from_o 58._o to_o 73._o pap._n p._n 12._o papist_n protest_v etc._n etc._n p._n 17._o p._n 1●_n reply_v p._n 4._o p._n 23._o p._n 20._o p._n 21._o pag._n 5._o card._n bona_n letter_n papist_n protest_v p._n 29._o condom_n '_o be_v expos_n p._n 51._o condom_n '_o be_v expos_n p._n 51._o pag._n 4._o pag._n 4._o see_v a_o late_a tract_n of_o the_o object_n of_o religious_a worship_n pag._n 6._o papist_n misrepresent_v p._n 3._o ed._n 2._o bellarm._n the_o sanct_a beatit_fw-la l._n 1._o c._n 20._o etc._n etc._n 18._o pag._n 6._o papist_n protest_v p._n 33._o pag._n 35._o p._n 35●_n see_v d._n stillingfleet_n defence_n of_o the_o discourse_n concern_v idolatry_n p._n 216._o etc._n etc._n st._n aug._n de_fw-fr civet_n dei_fw-la p._n 8._o c._n 27._o pag._n 9_o pag._n 6._o nam_fw-la si_fw-la propterea_fw-la subsidiis_fw-la sanctorum_fw-la uti_fw-la non_fw-la liceat_fw-la quod_fw-la unum_fw-la patronum_fw-la habemus_fw-la jesum_fw-la christum_fw-la nunquam_fw-la id_fw-la commisisset_fw-la apostolus_fw-la ut_fw-la se_fw-la deo_fw-la tanto_fw-la study_v fratrum_fw-la viventium_fw-la precibus_fw-la adjuvari_fw-la vellet_fw-la neque_fw-la enim_fw-la minus_fw-la vivorum_fw-la preces_fw-la quam_fw-la eorum_fw-la qui_fw-la in_o coelis_fw-la sunt_fw-la sanctorum_fw-la deprecatio_fw-la christi_fw-la mediatoris_fw-la gloriam_fw-la &_o dignitatem_fw-la immi●uerent_a catech._n rom._n part_n 3._o tit._n de_fw-fr cultu_fw-la &_o vener_n sanct_a heb._n 4._o 14._o heb._n 7._o 16._o 26._o heb._n 9_o 24._o heb._n 7._o 25._o pag._n 4._o contemplation_n on_o the_o life_n and_o glory_n of_o holy_a mary_n p._n 24._o ibid_fw-la p._n 5._o luke_n 11._o 27._o matth._n 12._o 46._o etc._n etc._n luke_n 2._o 48._o 49._o john_n 2._o 3_o 4._o pag._n 7._o pag._n 9_o pag._n 9_o pag._n 9_o see_v dr._n stillingfleet_n defence_n of_o the_o discourse_n of_o idolatry_n p._n 466_o etc._n etc._n 1_o king_n 18._o 27._o pontif._n in_o bened_a nov_fw-mi erucis_fw-la psalm_n 135._o 15_o 16_o 17._o vasquez_n d●sp_n 106._o c._n 1._o pag._n 9_o see_v dr._n still_a defence_n of_o the_o disc._n of_o idol_n p._n 703_o etc._n etc._n and_o several_a conference_n between_o a_o romish_a priest_n etc._n etc._n p._n 211_o etc._n etc._n durand_n in_o sent._n 3._o dist._n 9_o q._n 2._o vasquez_n disp._n 106._o c._n 1._o idem_fw-la disp._n 108._o c._n 3._o c._n 9_o disp._n 109._o c._n 1._o bellarm._n de_fw-fr cultu_fw-la imag._n l._n 2._o pag._n 5._o greg._n de_fw-fr valent_n de_fw-fr idolol_n l._n 2._o c._n 7._o cajent_n in_o aq._n 3_o p._n q._n 25._o art_n 3._o suarez_n disp._n 54_o sect._n 4._o de_fw-fr natura_fw-la deorum_fw-la l._n 1._o c._n 27._o max._n tyrius_n dissert_v 38._o see_v dr._n stillingfleet_n defence_n of_o the_o discourse_n of_o idolatry_n p._n 466_o etc._n etc._n dio_fw-mi chrys._n orat._n 12._o st._n aug._n in_o psal._n 113._o arnob_n l._n 6._o aug._n ep._n 119._o c._n 11._o arn._n l._n 1._o caesar_n de_fw-fr bell●_n civ_o l._n 2._o ovid._n fast._n 4._o exod._n 32._o 1._o see_v dr._n stillingfl_fw-mi defence_n of_o disc._n of_o idolatry_n p._n 747_o &c_n &c_n isa._n 44._o 10_o 15_o 17._o deut._n 4._o 15._o isa._n 40._o 18_o 27._o acts._n 17._o 29._o tertul_n de_fw-fr idolo_fw-la c._n 4._o wisdom_n c_o 14._o v_o 15._o c._n 13._o v._n 6._o levit._fw-la 19_o 4._o psalm_n 13515._o rome_n 1._o 23._o 1_o king_n 12._o 28._o 1_o king_n 16._o 31_o 32._o 1_o king_n 18_o 21._o 2_o king_n 10._o 16._o isa._n 40._o 18_o 19_o etc._n etc._n arnob._n l._n 6._o psal._n 135._o 18._o joh_n 4._o 21_o 23_o 24._o papist_n protest_v etc._n etc._n p._n 27._o p._n ●8_o exposition_n p._n 3●_n p._n 37._o doctrine_n and_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n true_o represent_v p._n 6._o ed._n 2._o bulla_n pii_fw-la quarti_fw-la super_fw-la confirm_v council_n trid._n reflect_v p._n 7._o reply_v p._n 44._o papist_n prot._n p._n 25_o reflect_v p_o 8._o reply_v p._n 47._o refl_fw-mi p._n 8_o 9_o rep._n p._n 49_o &c_n &c_n refl_fw-mi p_o 15_o 16_o reply_v p._n 55._o ibid._n p._n 58._o p._n 61._o p._n 63._o p._n 67._o