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A52018 Roman Catholicks uncertain whether there be any true priests or sacraments in the church of Rome evinced by an argument urg'd and maintain'd (upon their own principles) against Mr. Edward Goodall of Prescot in Lancashire / by Thomas Marsden ... Marsden, Thomas. 1688 (1688) Wing M725; ESTC R726 93,249 146

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intention_n of_o the_o act_n which_o take_v up_o our_o last_o section_n be_v not_o intention_n proper_o so_o call_v inasmuch_o as_o it_o come_v short_a of_o the_o end_n to_o which_o the_o act_n be_v to_o serve_v as_o a_o mean._n i_o note_v also_o that_o the_o minister_n then_o only_o proper_o intend_v while_o he_o celebrate_v the_o sacrament_n when_o he_o will_v the_o end_n of_o they_o consider_v general_o or_o special_o some_o way_n or_o other_o as_o attainable_a by_o the_o use_n of_o the_o institute_v action_n action_n 3._o 2._o i_o premise_v that_o if_o my_o author_n prove_v the_o intention_n of_o the_o end_n to_o be_v require_v they_o also_o make_v out_o that_o the_o intention_n of_o the_o act_n only_o be_v not_o require_v your_o question_n sir_n be_v disjunctive_a whether_o of_o the_o act_n or_o the_o end._n if_o i_o prove_v the_o latter_a i_o remove_v the_o former_a 3._o i_o repeat_v my_o desire_n to_o have_v it_o keep_v in_o memory_n that_o the_o sacrament_n fare_v all_o 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with_o a_o respect_n to_o the_o intention_n if_o my_o author_n shall_v under_o that_o relation_n speak_v of_o any_o of_o they_o they_o as_o true_o do_v it_o of_o all_o the_o rest_n now_o to_o my_o authority_n authority_n 4._o i_o begin_v with_o gabriel_n biel_n the_o clearness_n of_o who_o word_n leave_v no_o room_n for_o cavil_v 1._o cavil_v ad_fw-la veritatem_fw-la baptismi_fw-la requiritur_fw-la intentio_fw-la ministri_fw-la non_fw-la tantum_fw-la respectu_fw-la actus_fw-la baptizandi_fw-la ut_fw-la objecti_fw-la sed_fw-la etiam_fw-la respectu_fw-la ejus_fw-la ut_fw-la finis_fw-la &_o termini_fw-la l_o 4._o do_v 6._o q._n 1._o to_o the_o truth_n of_o baptism_n the_o intention_n of_o the_o minister_n be_v require_v not_o only_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o act_n of_o baptise_v as_o its_o object_n viz._n as_o that_o which_o the_o intention_n be_v only_o carry_v out_o to_o stop_v at_o or_o be_v terminate_v by_o but_o also_o in_o respect_n of_o its_o effect_n as_o its_o end_n and_o term._n this_o author_n divide_v this_o conclusion_n into_o part_n and_z presents_z argument_n for_o the_o proof_n of_o they_o but_o it_o will_v be_v superfluous_a to_o transcribe_v the_o whole_a he_o say_v the_o intention_n to_o do_v the_o act_n be_v necessary_a but_o add_v non_fw-la sufficit_fw-la that_o it_o be_v not_o sufficient_a and_o the_o reason_n he_o give_v amount_n to_o this_o that_o though_o the_o act_n of_o baptism_n be_v do_v with_o intention_n yet_o in_o several_a case_n it_o may_v become_v fruitless_a and_o void_a there_o may_v be_v no_o baptism_n notwithstanding_o that_o act_n for_o want_n of_o another_o intention_n viz._n that_o which_o respect_v the_o end._n again_o our_o author_n speak_v clear_o institutum_fw-la clear_o non_fw-la sufficit_fw-la intentio_fw-la exercendi_fw-la baptismum_fw-la ut_fw-la est_fw-la talis_fw-la actus_fw-la in_o natura_fw-la sed_fw-la ut_fw-la est_fw-la signum_fw-la ad_fw-la certum_fw-la finem_fw-la institutum_fw-la it_o suffice_v not_o that_o the_o minister_n intend_v to_o baptise_v as_o that_o be_v a_o natural_a act_n but_o as_o it_o be_v a_o sign_n institute_v to_o a_o certain_a end._n end._n 5._o here_o note_n that_o none_o can_v use_v a_o sign_n as_o such_o but_o he_o must_v have_v a_o respect_n to_o the_o thing_n signify_v to_o which_o the_o sign_n as_o such_o have_v a_o essential_a relation_n and_o can_v be_v consider_v as_o a_o sign_n without_o it_o so_o that_o all_o sacrament_n be_v in_fw-la genere_fw-la signi_fw-la sign_n as_o all_o the_o roman_a doctor_n do_v and_o must_v teach_v and_o the_o minister_n be_v require_v to_o exercise_v they_o as_o such_o as_o the_o cite_a place_n affirm_v the_o intention_n according_a to_o they_o must_v not_o be_v terminate_v or_o rest_n in_o the_o outward_a act_n of_o the_o sacrament_n but_o it_o must_v in_o some_o manner_n reach_v the_o effect_n or_o end_v of_o they_o without_o which_o we_o see_v they_o be_v not_o make_v and_o confer_v and_o hither_o to_o save_o time_n i_o refer_v bellarmin_n say_v that_o the_o action_n be_v to_o be_v do_v not_o as_o it_o be_v a_o certain_a natural_a work_n but_o as_o it_o be_v a_o sacred_a work_n 27._o work_n sed_fw-la ut_a opus_fw-la sacrum_n the_o sacram_fw-la l._n 1._o c._n 27._o which_o equal_o prove_v our_o point_n and_o be_v to_o be_v understand_v in_o the_o like_a manner_n manner_n 6._o gabr._fw-la biel_n write_v in_o the_o time_n between_o the_o two_o council_n and_o have_v speak_v full_o and_o plain_o to_o our_o purpose_n and_o his_o senior_n will_v assure_v we_o have_v we_o a_o mind_n to_o consult_v they_o that_o his_o language_n be_v no_o novelty_n in_o the_o roman_a church_n alexander_n alensis_n 8._o alensis_n intendere_fw-la facere_fw-la quod_fw-la facit_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la est_fw-la intendere_fw-la abluere_fw-la exterius_fw-la ut_fw-la deus_fw-la abluat_fw-la interius_fw-la de_fw-fr sacr._n bapt_n quaest_n 8._o may_v serve_v to_o do_v this_o who_o be_v very_o liberal_a upon_o the_o same_o subject_n to_o intend_v to_o do_v what_o the_o church_n do_v be_v to_o intend_v to_o wash_v outward_o to_o the_o end_n that_o god_n may_v wash_v inward_o he_o tell_v we_o the_o sacramental_a action_n est_fw-fr actio_fw-la relata_fw-la be_v a_o relative_n action_n and_o that_o which_o it_o relate_v to_o be_v the_o action_n of_o god_n and_o collect_v unde_fw-la intentio_fw-la respicit_fw-la utramque_fw-la actionem_fw-la that_o the_o intention_n respect_v both_o the_o action_n as_o a_o cause_n without_o which_o there_o can_v be_v a_o sacrament_n our_o author_n have_v here_o teach_v we_o by_o most_o transparent_a word_n that_o the_o intention_n must_v of_o necessity_n be_v carry_v to_o the_o action_n of_o god_n which_o be_v nothing_o else_o but_o the_o confer_v of_o sacramental_a grace_n and_o this_o grace_n be_v the_o end_n or_o effect_v of_o the_o sacrament_n which_o be_v the_o thing_n to_o be_v prove_v prove_v 7._o guliel_n parisiensis_fw-la speak_v of_o order_n cap._n 5._o assert_n the_o mental_a intention_n to_o be_v essential_a to_o the_o form_n of_o the_o sacrament_n and_o that_o though_o the_o word_n be_v due_o pronounce_v yet_o a_o contrary_a intention_n evacuate_v and_o rob_v they_o of_o their_o meaning_n again_o treat_v of_o baptism_n cap._n 2._o he_o declare_v that_o vicious_a minister_n can_v deprive_v the_o sacrament_n of_o their_o due_a effect_n nor_o defraud_v the_o worthy_a receiver_n of_o they_o but_o he_o do_v it_o with_o this_o reserve_n that_o they_o strive_v not_o against_o they_o with_o a_o contrary_a intention_n he_o imply_v all_o be_v nothing_o if_o that_o shall_v happen_v happen_v 8._o aquinas_n 10._o aquinas_n cum_fw-la aliquis_fw-la non_fw-la intendit_fw-la sacramentum_fw-la confer_v par_fw-fr 3_o q_o 64._o art_n 10._o make_v the_o action_n void_a when_o the_o minister_n intend_v not_o to_o confer_v the_o sacrament_n i_o grant_v he_o speak_v a_o little_a before_o as_o if_o it_o be_v sufficient_a to_o intend_v the_o bare_a action_n art_n 8._o but_o beside_o the_o contradiction_n he_o will_v in_o that_o case_n be_v liable_a to_o the_o learned_a romanist_n declare_v he_o mean_v no_o such_o thing_n i_o shall_v call_v two_o of_o they_o out_o to_o speak_v to_o this_o because_o i_o will_v not_o have_v so_o great_a a_o man_n to_o stand_v in_o my_o way_n way_n 9_o thus_o speak_v cardinal_n cajetan_n upon_o the_o place_n interius_fw-la place_n non_fw-fr est_fw-fr intelligenda_fw-la ut_fw-la verba_fw-la sonant_fw-la puta_fw-la quod_fw-la non_fw-la requiritur_fw-la in_o ministro_fw-la intentio_fw-la proprie_fw-la mentalis_fw-la sed_fw-la sufficit_fw-la intentio_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la per_fw-la verba_fw-la expressa_fw-la quicquid_fw-la intendit_fw-la ipse_fw-la minister_n interius_fw-la his_o mind_n be_v not_o to_o be_v understand_v as_o the_o word_n sound_v as_o if_o there_o be_v not_o require_v in_o the_o minister_n a_o intention_n proper_o mental_a but_o the_o intention_n of_o the_o church_n express_v by_o the_o word_n will_v suffice_v whatever_o the_o minister_n may_v intend_v in_o his_o mind_n mind_n 10._o effectus_fw-la 10._o ut_fw-la opinio_fw-la illa_fw-la salsissima_fw-la est_fw-la ita_fw-la nullatenas_fw-la est_fw-la s._n thomae_fw-la requi●itur_fw-la secunaum_fw-la cum_fw-la intentio_fw-la non_fw-la solum_fw-la ap_fw-mi licandi_fw-la materiam_fw-la &_o formam_fw-la sed_fw-la ipsius_fw-la effectus_fw-la dom._n soto_n shall_v make_v up_o the_o pair_n who_o be_v one_o of_o the_o most_o renown_a member_n of_o the_o trent-council_n as_o the_o opinion_n that_o intend_v to_o do_v the_o act_n only_o be_v sufficient_a be_v a_o most_o false_a one_o so_o it_o be_v not_o at_o all_o s._n thomas_n be_v for_o according_a to_o he_o there_o be_v require_v not_o only_o a_o intention_n of_o apply_v the_o matter_n and_o form_n but_o of_o the_o effect_n itself_o itself_o 11._o aquinas_n sense_n of_o the_o article_n be_v fix_v let_v we_o further_o observe_v soto_n judgement_n he_o deliver_v it_o a_o little_a before_o thus_o perficerent_fw-la thus_o ea_fw-la ratione_fw-la christu_fw-ge discipulos_fw-la suos_fw-la sacramentorum_fw-la ministros_fw-la sibi_fw-la substituit_fw-la ut_fw-la sva_fw-la ipsius_fw-la intention_n bujusmodi_fw-la obsequia_fw-la perficerent_fw-la christ_n therefore_o substitute_v his_o disciple_n to_o be_v minister_n of_o the_o sacrament_n that_o they_o may_v perform_v such_o office_n with_o his_o very_o own_o intention_n and_o he_o call_v this_o a_o intention_n like_a to_o that_o of_o god._n now_o it_o be_v plain_a that_o the_o gracious_a end_n or_o effect_n of_o the_o sacrament_n be_v intend_v by_o christ_n he_o infer_v they_o be_v also_o to_o be_v intend_v by_o his_o minister_n and_o this_o he_o all_o along_o make_v essential_a to_o a_o sacrament_n sacrament_n 12._o i_o can_v forbear_v to_o recite_v what_o i_o meet_v with_o to_o this_o purpose_n in_o altenstaig_n viz._n that_o it_o be_v require_v to_o intend_v to_o exhibit_v the_o matter_n and_o word_n of_o the_o sacrament_n sacram._n sacrament_n tanquam_fw-la ea_fw-la quae_fw-la ad_fw-la certum_fw-la effectum_fw-la instituta_fw-la sunt_fw-la à_fw-la christo_fw-la &_o hoc_fw-la est_fw-la exhitere_fw-la in_o fide_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la verb._n sacram._n as_o those_o
genere_fw-la i._n e._n to_o the_o truth_n of_o the_o sacrament_n there_o be_v not_o require_v such_o a_o intention_n of_o the_o minister_n as_o respect_v the_o effect_n of_o baptism_n in_o special_a but_o it_o suffice_v to_o intend_v what_o the_o church_n intend_v in_o the_o general_a general_a 5._o de_fw-fr burgo_n cap._n 5.2_o par_fw-fr have_v describe_v the_o intention_n in_o the_o like_a manner_n conclude_v thus_o requiritur_fw-la ergo_fw-la generalis_fw-la intentio_fw-la ad_fw-la minus_fw-la etc._n etc._n i._n e._n there_o be_v a_o general_a intention_n require_v at_o the_o least_o etc._n etc._n which_o exact_o jump_v with_o the_o sense_n of_o the_o trent_n definition_n but_o i_o need_v cite_v no_o more_o for_o this_o the_o roman_a doctor_n be_v general_o of_o the_o same_o mind_n mind_n 6._o you_o ask_v again_o whether_o the_o intention_n require_v he_o habitual_a virtual_a or_o actual_a to_o which_o my_o answer_n must_v be_v the_o same_o yourselves_o use_v to_o give_v viz._n the_o habitual_a be_v too_o short_a as_o be_v no_o more_o than_o one_o asleep_o may_v have_v the_o actual_a through_o humane_a infirmity_n and_o wander_a of_o thought_n may_v sometime_o happen_v to_o be_v want_v in_o well-meaning_a minister_n and_o therefore_o be_v not_o necessary_o require_v but_o the_o virtual_a be_v necessary_a to_o the_o sacrament_n sacrament_n 7._o by_o virtual_a roman_a catholic_n mean_v the_o force_n of_o the_o actual_a intention_n exert_v a_o little_a before_o the_o do_v of_o the_o sacramental_a action_n ex_fw-la gr_n if_o a_o bishop_n intend_v actual_o to_o make_v n._n n._n a_o priest_n of_o christ_n church_n or_o to_o do_v something_o to_o he_o which_o christ_n or_o the_o church_n have_v appoint_v the_o action_n of_o ordination_n for_o or_o the_o like_a and_o go_v to_o church_n and_o attire_n himself_o etc._n etc._n for_o that_o purpose_n though_o while_o he_o apply_v the_o respective_a matter_n and_o form_n his_o mind_n happen_v to_o range_v out_o to_o 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