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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A97184	A vindication of the English Catholiks from the pretended conspiracy against the life, and government of His Sacred Maiesty discovering the cheif lyes & contradictions contained in the narratiue of Titus Oates. The 2. edition with some additions: & an answer to two pamplets printed in defence of the narrative. Jtem a relation of some of Bedlows pranks in Spain, & Oate's letter concerning him.	Warner, John, 1628-1692.	1681 (1681)	Wing W912C; ESTC R229731	86,710	95

of this Iudgment but certainly it is not Rash J. P. p. 13. He will not repeate the traiterous words of his Majesty's sacred Person that is to say he ownes them all to be tru Answ You imitate Oates very perfectly drawing Treason out of the most innocent words Let mine be reade ouer againe see whither there be one sillable importing an approbation of those Treasonable expressions or owning that any English Catholicks were guilty of them which is another Calumnye I expressely deny that euer Papist Monk or Iesuit spoke them I say none but the seditious Rabble euen in the time of troubles when Rebellion was Paramount the King termed the Common Ennemy reported such things that it is dangerous to spreade such things when so many are ready to shake hands with their Allegiance that not to offend in the same nature I would nether in word nor writing mention them And candid Mr. Philips will thence infer that I owne them to be tru Yet I do not much wonder at it for hauing made scripture teach Treason it is not much you should make me speake it althô nothing be further from the tru meaning of both J. P. next giues vs a charge of what some did against Henry 3. Henry 4. in France That Claude Matthieu was called the Courier de la Ligue What is all this to the English Preists who were not borne then it may be they condemne it as much as any of the Ministry Dic jam postume de tribus Capellis speake to the businessein hand charge vs not with other mens faults of which we are not guilty confine your selfe to our Personall Actions or owne that in them you find not mater sufficient for our indightment Did I foresee these Obseruations would be offensiue to any in Authority need an Apology I would follow Cato's aduice suppresse them But I think no Authority concerned in it but that of Titus Oates The Lo●ds Spiritual Temporall in Parliament assembled ordred the Printing of it And we are so far from opposing that Order that we think our selues highly oblidged by it because by letting vs know what we are accused of with the Persons conspiring Time Place where when they Plotted c. we are enabled to vindicate our selues which was impossible whilest we heard nothing but the general Termes of Plot or Conspiracy Popish Nobility Gentry Preists Benedictins or Iesuits c. At the end of this Narratiue we find the name of one Magistrate sir E D M. B. Godfrey but he only attests that it was sworn before him which may be tru though the thing be fals in euery part Dr. Tonge Chr. Kirby are also subscribed as Witnesses to Oates's Oath no more Yet if my Intelligence deceiues me not they had a greater hand in all then I will speak at present J. P. p. 14. T is well enough for though this sentence be an Impudent reflection vpon the supreame Authority of England yet some compassion may be shewed to his pretended Blindnesse Answ This is vnconceuable that it should be well enough yet be an Impudent Reflection vpon the supreame Power Sir I examin Mr. Oates's Narratiue I see no other Approbation to it but that of the Parliament ordring its printing I do not examin the Trials nor censure the Iudges or Jurye I leaue them to God their consciences to see whither there was no hard mesure The Tru Narratiue was not produced against any of the Prisoners when some of them alleadged some points of it in their defence the thing was rejected as no record nor euidence How comes it now to be so sacred a thing when we attempt to answer it What law forbids a man accused of a hainous crime to vindicate his Innocency in the best manner he can Doth not the denying this much more odiously reflect on the Authority of the Nation then all we say can it be supposed that any Law obliges a man to owne a Guilt when in his Conscience he knows the contrary Name the Pagan the Turk the Iew the Tyrant who euer was offended that an Accused Person should endeauour to cleere himselfe Doe not all Prisoners at the Bar answer not Guilty And what Court thought its Authority concerned in such an Answer you speake in your addresse to the Lords Commons assembled in Parliament of the Infallibility of their Counsels granting to them what you deny to the whole Church● Nay you ow●e in them a greater Infallibility then Catholicks Diuines owne in Generall Councils for althô in matters of Doctrine we neuer question their Decrees yet in matters purely of fact such as these are the Church doth not exact an interiour assent whence some Catholicks haue excused from Heresy the Persons of Origen Theodoret not by questioning the malignity of the Doctrine charged on them but endeauouring to shew that they had not deliuered it Now you neuer saw neuer shall see me vindicate the Crimes charged on vs by Oates which I absolutely owne to be treasonable that whosoeuer is really guilty of them deserues to dye the Death but we only say that we are not Guilty of those crimes nay quite contrary that we detest them as much more sincerely I feare then Oates himself J hope his Majesty will not be displeased with harmlesse endeauours to vindicate Persons wrongfully accused I haue learnt of the Holy Ghost Prou. 16.12 that It is an abomination to Kings to commit wickednesse because their Throne is by Ryghteouness establisht And I intend only to cleer the Truth in this great debate to make way for Rychteous Iudgments that his Throne may be by them establisht not shaken by vnjust shedding of Innocent Bloud whose cry is loud in the eares of the Kings of Kings our Iust Mercifull God To him our daily Prayers are offred that the Bloud spilt vnder colour of this conspiracy but for what real intent God knows may like that of Christ call for Mercy not like that of Abel cry for Iustice or Reueng. J. P. 14. What is all this clamor for Only for putting to deserued Death a company of varlets vagabonds who deserued to haue beene hanged only for being within his Majesty's Dominions Answer If you hold all for varlets vagabonds who are forbidden by ciuill Powers the entry into some country so many those so venerable for sanctity will be such as will euen honour these otherwise infamous names Were not the Primitiue Christians such the Apostles Christ himself was he not forced to conceale himselfe fly vntill the time designed for his Passion the Redemption of of the world was come S. Paul Hebrew 11. hauing spoken of some who endured as Catholiks haue done mockings scornings bonds imprisonment that were stoned sawed asunder slaine with the sword of others that they wandred about in mountaines in deserts in Caues of the Earth Doth he conclude as you doe