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service_n in_o a_o word_n throughout_o the_o whole_a council_n nothing_o be_v carry_v by_o counsel_n or_o consultation_n of_o assessor_n for_o assistant_n i_o can_v call_v they_o nothing_o by_o suffrage_n or_o vote_n from_o they_o that_o make_v it_o wear_v the_o name_n of_o a_o general_n council_n but_o the_o supreme_a present_a judge_n to_o use_v the_o phrase_n of_o mr._n cressy_n as_o a_o infallible_a dictator_n ordain_v all_o this_o be_v constant_o the_o preface_n to_o each_o decree_n in_o that_o council_n leo_fw-la episcopus_fw-la servus_n servorum_fw-la dei_fw-la ad_fw-la perpetuam_fw-la rei_fw-la memoriam_fw-la approbante_fw-la concilio_n etc._n etc._n so_o again_o in_o their_o last_o and_o best_a belove_a general_n council_n trent_n of_o the_o council_n at_o trent_n all_z the_o father_n do_v but_o prepare_v convenient_a matter_n for_o decree_n whereunto_o the_o pope_n fiat_n do_v give_v the_o life_n their_o two_o and_o twenty_o year_n contrivance_n do_v end_n at_o last_o in_o 442._o in_o humiliter_fw-la petimus_fw-la nomine_fw-la dicti_fw-la concilii_fw-la oecumenici_fw-la tridemini_fw-la ut_fw-la sanctitas_fw-la vestra_fw-la dignetur_fw-la confirmare_fw-la omne_fw-la &_o singula_fw-la etc._n etc._n edit_n bin._n tom._n 9_o p._n 442._o meek_a petition_n that_o his_o holiness_n will_v vouchsafe_v to_o confirm_v what_o they_o have_v do_v that_o be_v to_o inform_v the_o lifeless_a matter_n they_o have_v prepare_v which_o can_v not_o have_v the_o nature_n and_o force_n of_o article_n or_o decree_n until_o the_o pope_n have_v breathe_v on_o they_o the_o breath_n of_o life_n so_o a_o little_a before_o that_o 434._o that_o si_fw-mi in_o his_o recipiendis_fw-la aliqua_fw-la difficult_a as_o ariatur_fw-la aut_fw-la aliqua_fw-la incideriâ—t_fw-la quae_fw-la declarationem_fw-la aut_fw-la finitionem_fw-la postulent_fw-la confidit_fw-la sancta_fw-la synoduâ—_n pon_n ificem_fw-la curaturum_fw-la etc._n etc._n viderit_fw-la expedire_fw-la etc._n etc._n si_fw-mi necessarium_fw-la judicaverit_fw-la etc._n etc._n si_fw-mi ei_fw-la visum_fw-la fuerit_fw-la etc._n etc._n ibid._n p._n 434._o the_o general_a council_n do_v humble_o hope_n that_o if_o any_o difficulty_n arise_v in_o the_o receive_n of_o the_o canon_n or_o if_o any_o thing_n doubtful_a shall_v require_v a_o definition_n or_o declaration_n his_o holiness_n will_v provide_v for_o the_o necessity_n of_o the_o province_n for_o the_o glory_n of_o god_n and_o the_o tranquillity_n of_o the_o church_n either_o by_o call_v a_o general_n council_n if_o he_o shall_v judge_v it_o to_o be_v needful_a or_o by_o commit_v the_o business_n to_o such_o as_o he_o shall_v think_v fit_a to_o do_v it_o or_o by_o what_o way_n soever_o he_o shall_v judge_v more_o commodious_a all_o upon_o the_o matter_n both_o be_v and_o must_v be_v as_o he_o please_v and_o when_o the_o council_n be_v dissolve_v he_o be_v himself_o tantamount_n to_o a_o general_n council_n indeed_o much_o more_o for_o the_o council_n do_v but_o propose_v but_o he_o 444._o he_o apostolicâ_fw-la auctoritate_fw-la declaramus_fw-la &_o definimus_fw-la p._n 444._o declare_v and_o define_n by_o apostolical_a authority_n he_o 443._o he_o fidem_fw-la sine_fw-la ullâ_fw-la dubitatione_n haberi_fw-la mandamus_fw-la atque_fw-la decernimus_fw-la p._n 443._o command_v and_o decree'_v by_o somewhat_o more_o than_o apostolical_a that_o faith_n without_o any_o doubt_v be_v have_v by_o all_o to_o his_o creed_n and_o all_o under_o the_o penalty_n of_o be_v cut_v off_o from_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n notwithstanding_o some_o part_n of_o his_o creed_n be_v 354._o be_v vide_fw-la council_n trident_n edit_fw-la bin._n excus_fw-la genev._n a._n d._n 1612._o tom._n 9_o sess_n 4._o p._n 354._o this_o that_o apocryphal_a writing_n and_o mere_a tradition_n concern_v faith_n as_o well_o as_o manner_n be_v by_o all_o to_o be_v receive_v with_o as_o much_o reverence_n and_o affection_n as_o thing_n proceed_v from_o god_n the_o holy_a ghost_n or_o 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326._o edit_fw-la bin._n to._n 5._o p._n 326._o that_o marry_a man_n without_o scruple_n shall_v be_v admit_v into_o the_o priesthood_n and_o this_o without_o any_o condition_n of_o abstain_v thence-forwards_a from_o cohabitation_n lest_o man_n shall_v seem_v to_o offer_v contumely_n unto_o god_n holy_a institution_n yea_o which_o be_v most_o to_o be_v observe_v this_o be_v a_o canon_n make_v profess_o 326._o profess_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n ibid._n p._n 325_o 326._o against_o the_o canon_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n whereunto_o be_v confront_v the_o ancient_a canon_n which_o be_v there_o say_v to_o be_v of_o apostolical_a perfection_n here_o the_o doctrine_n and_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v condemn_v by_o a_o council_n which_o be_v own_v to_o be_v general_n by_o the_o same_o church_n of_o rome_n the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v also_o condemn_v by_o the_o same_o 338._o same_o ibid._n p._n 338._o 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in_o word_n or_o action_n the_o way_n in_o our_o church_n be_v as_o full_o according_a to_o proportion_n in_o scripture_n as_o any_o other_o and_o our_o bishop_n have_v be_v also_o canonical_o ordain_v by_o three_o bishop_n notwithstanding_o the_o slander_n against_o it_o and_o let_v they_o prove_v that_o what_o be_v in_o this_o case_n appoint_v in_o council_n be_v more_o necessary_a than_o what_o be_v do_v in_o our_o consecration_n or_o else_o they_o do_v nothing_o they_o must_v also_o know_v whether_o they_o can_v lawful_o permit_v woman_n to_o baptize_v at_o all_o or_o baptize_v in_o necessity_n only_o and_o not_o out_o of_o it_o ans_fw-fr first_o it_o be_v plain_a in_o scripture_n that_o no_o woman_n do_v baptize_v second_o that_o baptise_v and_o teach_v be_v commit_v to_o the_o same_o person_n as_o before_o st._n mat._n 28.19_o 20._o now_o woman_n be_v forbid_v to_o teach_v by_o st_n paul_n therefore_o may_v they_o not_o baptize_v three_o how_o can_v man_n authority_n allow_v 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