though_o he_o deny_v the_o primacy_n of_o s._n peter_n yet_o be_v force_v by_o the_o evidence_n of_o the_o sacred_a text_n to_o grant_v that_o whence_o this_o primacy_n be_v prove_v first_o p._n 157._o that_o s._n peter_n have_v the_o primacy_n of_o spiritual_a authority_n &_o universal_a jurisdiction_n over_o the_o whole_a church_n with_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o apostle_n second_o that_o this_o be_v give_v he_o singular_o to_o wit_n as_o appear_v by_o the_o gospel_n matth._n 16.10_o joan._n 20.21_o by_o the_o singular_a order_n &_o institution_n christ_n apply_v to_o he_o now_o this_o do_v enforce_v monarchical_a primacy_n for_o the_o three_o different_a form_n of_o government_n democracy_n aristocracy_n monarchy_n be_v nothing_o else_o but_o three_o different_a application_n of_o the_o primacy_n of_o jurisdiction_n universal_a to_o different_a person_n primacy_n of_o universal_a juridiction_n apply_v general_o to_o the_o whole_a commons_o be_v democracy_n apply_v principal_o to_o 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new_a difficulty_n to_o wit_n about_o the_o title_n of_o universal_a bishop_n the_o nicene_n canon_n contention_n of_o s._n cyprian_n with_o pope_n stephen_n the_o controversy_n of_o the_o african_n about_o appellation_n the_o asian_o resist_v pope_n victor_n all_o which_o instance_n true_o examine_v prove_v the_o primacy_n most_o evident_o as_o be_v show_v by_o bellarmine_n l._n 2_o the_o pontif._n &_o late_o by_o fidelis_n annosus_fw-la de_fw-la monarchia_fw-la ecclesiastica_fw-la l._n 2._o c._n 5._o &_o 6._o primacy_n of_o s._n peter_n &_o his_o successor_n the_o fundation_n which_o christ_n lay_v of_o his_o church_n necessary_a for_o the_o perpetual_a government_n thereof_o matth._n 16.18_o three_o their_o question_v the_o infallible_a authority_n of_o lawful_a damnandus_fw-la lawful_a the_o minister_n here_o rayl_v against_o counsel_n gather_v by_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o pope_n and_o in_o most_o gross_a manner_n falsifi_v cusanus_fw-la in_o eight_o or_o nine_o particular_n but_o in_o fine_a he_o dare_v not_o make_v direct_a answer_n to_o the_o question_n propose_v whether_o protestant_n hold_v the_o definition_n of_o lawful_a general_n counsel_n to_o be_v infallible_a or_o not_o his_o answer_n hereunto_o be_v like_o the_o oracle_n of_o apollo_n give_v in_o general_a and_o doubtful_a term_n to_o wit_n that_o protestant_n give_v the_o same_o authority_n unto_o counsel_n that_o the_o ancient_a church_n do_v in_o the_o margin_n he_o cite_v s._n augustine_n that_o counsel_n of_o bishop_n be_v not_o to_o be_v equal_v unto_o scripture_n as_o doubtless_o they_o may_v not_o the_o truth_n be_v though_o he_o be_v ashamed_a to_o say_v it_o in_o plain_a term_n protestant_n hold_v general_a counsel_n lawful_o assemble_v to_o be_v inferior_a not_o only_o unto_o scripture_n but_o also_o unto_o their_o exposition_n thereof_o for_o they_o teach_v that_o counsel_n be_v not_o assist_v by_o the_o holy_a ghost_n that_o it_o be_v most_o pernicious_a yea_o abominable_a to_o 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counsel_n they_o must_v admit_v that_o it_o be_v at_o least_o questionable_a among_o christian_n whether_o such_o counsel_n be_v infallible_o assist_v by_o god_n holy_a spirit_n or_o not_o else_o they_o can_v meet_v with_o you_o but_o must_v fly_v from_o you_o as_o damn_a heretic_n if_o they_o admit_v the_o infallibility_n of_o counsel_n to_o be_v questionable_a they_o must_v bid_v this_o infallibility_n farewell_n for_o ever_o it_o can_v never_o be_v establish_v by_o any_o ensue_a consent_n of_o general_n counsel_n for_o if_o a_o general_n council_n shall_v define_v that_o general_n counsel_n be_v infallible_a except_o we_o be_v sure_a aforehand_o that_o counsel_n be_v infallible_a we_o may_v doubt_v whether_o that_o council_n do_v not_o err_v in_o define_v that_o counsel_n be_v infallible_a wherefore_o this_o doctrine_n of_o the_o infallibility_n of_o lawful_a general_n counsel_n be_v either_o to_o be_v abandon_v for_o ever_o together_o with_o the_o unity_n of_o the_o church_n that_o 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â—each_v that_o bless_a mary_n be_v a_o entire_a virgin_n only_o until_o â—er_n childbirth_n but_o according_a to_o the_o catholic_a faith_n he_o come_v forth_o of_o the_o virgin_n womb_n the_o same_o still_o rest_v entire_a and_o as_o a_o bridegroom_n out_o of_o his_o bride-chamber_n now_o you_o may_v crow_v and_o crake_v &_o crown_v your_o book_n as_o you_o do_v in_o your_o picture_n when_o you_o be_v so_o press_v by_o your_o adversary_n that_o you_o be_v force_v to_o defend_v your_o error_n by_o hold_v ancient_a heresye_n and_o by_o lay_v the_o term_n of_o sophistical_a inference_n upon_o the_o catholic_a faith_n of_o the_o creed_n and_o of_o the_o whole_a christian_a church_n in_o answer_v scripture_n you_o contradict_v yourself_o and_o grant_v the_o jesuit_n the_o question_n §._o 4._o the_o vanity_n of_o your_o former_a brag_n that_o the_o jesuit_n have_v prove_v nothing_o by_o scripture_n be_v further_a make_v apparent_a in_o that_o he_o do_v so_o urge_v you_o with_o scripture_n 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world_n end_n â—o_o that_o to_o answer_v the_o jesuit_n proof_n of_o his_o religion_n â—y_a scripture_n you_o contradict_v yourself_o yea_o sometime_o â—rant_v against_o yourself_o as_o much_o as_o he_o will_v prove_v for_o to_o prove_v the_o same_o infallibility_n of_o the_o church_n â—e_n bring_v pag._n 3_o the_o place_n of_o s._n paul_n 3.15_o paul_n 1._o tim._n 3.15_o that_o the_o church_n be_v the_o ground_n &_o pillar_n of_o truth_n but_o the_o ground_n of_o â—ertaine_a &_o infallible_a truth_n such_o as_o the_o christian_a be_v â—ust_z be_v certain_a &_o infallible_a you_o answer_v pag._n 4._o lin_v â—_o if_o by_o the_o church_n we_o understand_v the_o church_n of_o christ_n â—â—uing_v afâ—er_o the_o apostle_n the_o same_o be_v by_o office_n and_o calling_n â—he_v pillar_n and_o ground_n of_o truth_n in_o all_o age_n this_o your_o answer_n allow_v unto_o the_o jesuit_n asmuch_o as_o he_o desire_v 〈◊〉_d can_v desire_v to_o show_v the_o church_n to_o be_v always_o infallible_a 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end_n certain_a and_o infallible_a in_o her_o teach_n in_o lieu_n of_o answer_v you_o confirm_v the_o jesuit_n argument_n §._o 5._o the_o jesuit_n pag._n 38._o accuse_v minister_n of_o abuse_v the_o word_n of_o god_n who_o to_o prove_v the_o sole_a sufficiency_n of_o scripture_n in_o respect_n of_o all_o man_n cite_v the_o text_n of_o s._n paul_n 2._o tim._n 3.15_o the_o scripture_n be_v able_a to_o make_v we_o wise_a unto_o salvation_n for_o the_o word_n of_o the_o apostle_n be_v direct_v particular_o to_o timothy_n say_v they_o be_v able_a to_o make_v thou_o wise_a unto_o salvation_n whence_o it_o be_v consequent_a that_o the_o scripture_n be_v sufficient_a for_o timothy_n and_o be_v sufficient_a for_o such_o man_n as_o tymothy_n be_v to_o wit_n for_o man_n learned_a and_o aforehand_o instruct_v by_o word_n of_o mouth_n and_o thereupon_o firm_o believe_v all_o the_o most_o main_a and_o necessary_a point_n of_o christian_a doctrine_n and_o discipline_n that_o the_o scripture_n for_o 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