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62._o he_o turn_v himself_o on_o another_o side_n and_o tell_v we_o that_o it_o be_v the_o docility_n of_o the_o faith_n of_o the_o greek_n which_o will_v not_o permit_v they_o to_o behold_v these_o difficulty_n but_o this_o be_v very_o absurd_o answer_v again_o for_o be_v it_o thus_o the_o greek_n themselves_o will_v at_o least_o tell_v we_o something_o of_o it_o i_o mean_v they_o will_v tell_v we_o themselves_o in_o some_o sort_n that_o they_o know_v well_o all_o these_o consequence_n and_o be_v not_o so_o stupid_a but_o that_o they_o see_v such_o and_o such_o question_n which_o arise_v from_o the_o conversion_n of_o the_o substance_n but_o that_o they_o behold_v they_o as_o a_o abyss_n which_o can_v be_v fathom_v or_o to_o use_v mr._n arnaud_n eloquent_a expression_n that_o they_o stifle_v and_o ibid._n ibid._n drown_v all_o humane_a thought_n in_o the_o absolute_a certainty_n of_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o infallible_a authority_n of_o his_o church_n they_o will_v give_v some_o 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subject_a that_o this_o silence_n can_v come_v from_o any_o other_o cause_n than_o the_o nature_n of_o their_o doctrine_n which_o not_o have_v the_o consequence_n of_o transubstantiation_n do_v no_o way_n oblige_v they_o to_o take_v notice_n of_o these_o same_o consequence_n and_o thus_o far_o i_o think_v my_o argument_n may_v pass_v for_o good_a in_o the_o opinion_n of_o those_o people_n that_o understand_v reason_n yet_o mr._n arnaud_n will_v have_v this_o to_o be_v 59_o ibid._n pag._n 59_o mere_a folly_n and_o extravagancy_n and_o to_o show_v it_o to_o be_v so_o he_o tell_v we_o that_o reason_n itself_o show_v we_o we_o must_v not_o disow_v certain_a and_o undoubted_a truth_n under_o pretence_n they_o appear_v contrary_a among_o themselves_o on_o weak_a conjecture_n but_o the_o certainty_n of_o these_o truth_n shall_v make_v we_o conclude_v touch_v the_o falsity_n of_o these_o reason_n and_o pretend_a contrariety_n it_o be_v add_v he_o as_o certain_a a_o truth_n as_o any_o thing_n 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twelve_o day_n in_o the_o lake_n or_o pond_n in_o remembrance_n of_o our_o saviour_n baptism_n possevin_n relate_v the_o same_o of_o the_o moscovite_n for_o he_o tell_v we_o that_o twice_o a_o year_n viz._n on_o the_o day_n of_o the_o epiphany_n and_o that_o of_o the_o assumption_n the_o metropolitan_a bless_v the_o river_n of_o moscow_n and_o that_o the_o priest_n bless_v after_o the_o same_o manner_n other_o river_n that_o several_a man_n and_o woman_n wash_v themselves_o therein_o with_o the_o ceremony_n of_o a_o triple_a immersion_n that_o the_o horse_n and_o image_n be_v baptize_v in_o like_a manner_n and_o that_o this_o in_o their_o language_n be_v call_v baptism_n opin_v christoph_n angel_n stat._n &_o rit_n eccl._n graec._n c._n 25._o vide_fw-la annot._n geor._n felsau_n eucholog_fw-la gore_n p._n 689._o allat_n epist_n de_fw-fr quorunâ—_n graecer_fw-la opin_v i_o scarce_o know_v what_o to_o think_v of_o that_o custom_n among_o
i_o pretend_v to_o manifest_v by_o those_o very_a thing_n he_o have_v offer_v and_o pervert_v that_o if_o the_o greek_n and_o other_o eastern_a christian_n do_v believe_v transubstantiation_n as_o full_o as_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n yet_o do_v it_o not_o thence_o follow_v that_o this_o doctrine_n have_v be_v perpetual_a in_o that_o church_n see_v they_o may_v have_v receive_v it_o from_o the_o latin_n first_o then_o mr._n arnaud_n take_v a_o great_a deal_n of_o pain_n to_o prove_v there_o have_v be_v a_o frequent_a commerce_n between_o the_o greek_n and_o latin_n for_o he_o tell_v we_o that_o 172._o l._n 2._o c._n 8._o p._n 172._o pisa_n venice_n rome_n and_o several_a other_o city_n of_o italy_n be_v full_a of_o greek_n that_o constantinople_n be_v full_a of_o latin_n and_o latin_a church_n that_o the_o army_n be_v usual_o make_v up_o of_o greek_a italian_a and_o french_a soldier_n which_o be_v continual_o in_o great_a number_n at_o jerusalem_n where_o they_o communicate_v in_o the_o same_o church_n from_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o patriarch_n and_o priest_n of_o that_o city_n that_o so_o great_a be_v the_o multitude_n of_o pilgrim_n that_o they_o administer_v the_o sacrament_n every_o day_n that_o person_n of_o the_o great_a quality_n namely_o king_n prince_n and_o prelate_n and_o lady_n of_o the_o high_a rank_n undertake_v these_o pilgrimage_n and_o that_o jerusalem_n be_v then_o that_o be_v to_o say_v in_o the_o eleven_o century_n a_o place_n whereunto_o all_o the_o nation_n of_o the_o world_n resort_v i_o shall_v not_o now_o enter_v into_o a_o debate_n concern_v what_o he_o tell_v we_o touch_v the_o christian_n receive_v the_o communion_n at_o jerusalem_n from_o the_o patriarch_n and_o priest_n of_o that_o city_n he_o affirm_v it_o without_o prove_v it_o for_o there_o be_v very_o little_a likelihood_n that_o â—_z of_o different_a church_n who_o be_v so_o great_o divide_v will_v receive_v the_o communion_n together_o from_o the_o same_o person_n but_o be_v it_o as_o it_o will_v i_o be_o so_o far_o from_o raise_v a_o contest_v about_o this_o frequent_a commerce_n of_o the_o greek_n with_o the_o latin_n that_o i_o take_v it_o for_o grant_v to_o the_o end_n i_o may_v thereby_o demonstrate_v to_o mr._n arnaud_n the_o weakness_n of_o his_o argument_n for_o when_o he_o shall_v prove_v that_o the_o greek_n believe_v the_o conversion_n of_o substance_n and_o adore_v the_o sacrament_n he_o may_v then_o well_o conclude_v against_o i_o that_o i_o have_v be_v guilty_a of_o rashness_n in_o deny_v it_o but_o he_o can_v any_o way_n thereby_o advantage_v his_o cause_n see_v it_o will_v remain_v still_o to_o be_v examine_v whether_o these_o people_n do_v not_o receive_v these_o doctrine_n from_o the_o latin_n by_o mean_n of_o their_o mutual_a commerce_n since_o berengarius_fw-la be_v last_o condemn_v what_o i_o relate_v in_o the_o precede_a chapter_n touch_v the_o ignorance_n which_o have_v reign_v for_o so_o long_a a_o time_n in_o those_o country_n and_o the_o foolish_a superstition_n which_o be_v introduce_v even_o without_o our_o knowledge_n of_o their_o original_a will_v ever_o render_v this_o supposition_n probable_a it_o be_v no_o difficult_a matter_n to_o conceive_v that_o a_o doctrine_n of_o this_o nature_n may_v creep_v in_o in_o the_o dark_a among_o ignorant_a and_o superstitious_a people_n who_o hold_v a_o perpetual_a commerce_n with_o other_o that_o make_v open_a profession_n of_o this_o doctrine_n mr._n arnaud_n proceed_v far_o and_o relate_v the_o history_n of_o the_o croisado_n towards_o the_o end_n of_o the_o eleven_o century_n and_o in_o the_o twelve_o for_o the_o conquest_n 10._o l._n 2._o c._n 10._o of_o the_o holy_a land_n and_o this_o history_n do_v well_o deserve_v our_o notice_n for_o there_o will_v result_v from_o it_o these_o two_o truth_n the_o one_o that_o the_o bad_a condition_n of_o the_o greek_n and_o other_o eastern_a christian_n oblige_v they_o how_o proud_a and_o haughty_a soever_o they_o may_v otherwise_o be_v to_o a_o servile_a complacency_n with_o the_o latin_n and_o to_o a_o accommodation_n with_o their_o humour_n and_o interest_n and_o the_o other_o that_o the_o latin_n have_v not_o neglect_v this_o favourable_a occasion_n which_o the_o conjuncture_n of_o affair_n than_o offer_v they_o to_o establish_v their_o religion_n in_o the_o east_n we_o all_o know_v in_o what_o condition_n palestine_n syria_n and_o egypt_n lie_v when_o 1._o guilliel_n tyr._n bell._n sacri_fw-la lib._n 1._o c._n 1._o those_o of_o the_o west_n go_v thither_o the_o saracen_n have_v overrun_v these_o country_n from_o heraclius_n his_o time_n that_o be_v to_o say_v from_o the_o seven_o century_n and_o the_o power_n of_o these_o infidel_n grow_v formidable_a to_o all_o the_o world_n whilst_o the_o greek_n strength_n continual_o decay_v whether_o by_o the_o supinity_n of_o their_o emperor_n or_o by_o the_o horrible_a crime_n with_o which_o the_o same_o emperor_n dishonour_v their_o throne_n the_o turk_n have_v subdue_v persia_n overspread_v the_o whole_a east_n and_o possess_v themselves_o of_o palestine_n syria_n cilicia_n isauria_n pamphilia_n 9_o idem_fw-la l._n 5._o c._n 9_o lycia_n pisida_n lyconia_n cappadocia_n galatia_n pontus_n bythinia_n and_o moreover_o of_o a_o considerable_a part_n of_o asia_n minor_a and_o so_o great_o terrify_v the_o greek_n as_o relate_v wm._n of_o tyre_n that_o scarce_o do_v they_o repute_v themselves_o safe_a within_o the_o wall_n of_o constantinople_n although_o the_o sea_n be_v as_o a_o rampire_n betwixt_o they_o the_o christian_n in_o the_o east_n have_v already_o receive_v the_o benefit_n of_o charlemain_n intercession_n for_o they_o to_o aron_n under_o who_o government_n they_o then_o 2._o idem_fw-la l._n 1._o c._n 2._o live_v but_o this_o last_v not_o long_o for_o the_o misery_n into_o which_o they_o fall_v afterward_o become_v so_o intolerable_a that_o towards_o the_o end_n of_o the_o eleven_o century_n simeon_n patriarch_n of_o jerusalem_n according_a to_o the_o relation_n of_o wm._n of_o tyre_n 16._o gill._n tyr._n l_o 6._o c._n 11._o jacob._n de_fw-fr vâ—â—r_n hist_o orient_n c._n 16._o and_o james_n de_fw-fr vitry_n resolve_v to_o procure_v the_o assistance_n of_o the_o latin_n and_o write_v to_o pope_n urban_n the_o second_o and_o the_o western_a prince_n as_o well_o in_o his_o own_o name_n as_o in_o that_o of_o the_o whole_a church_n by_o mean_n of_o a_o french_a pilgrim_n call_v peter_n the_o hermit_n a_o native_a of_o the_o diocese_n of_o amiens_n wm._n of_o tyre_n observe_v that_o in_o the_o conference_n the_o patriarch_n have_v with_o this_o hermit_n he_o tell_v he_o among_o other_o thing_n that_o they_o can_v expect_v no_o help_n from_o the_o greek_n although_o of_o the_o same_o blood_n with_o they_o and_o their_o neighbour_n because_o they_o can_v hardly_o preserve_v themselves_o have_v fall_v into_o such_o a_o declension_n that_o within_o a_o short_a time_n they_o have_v lose_v above_o half_o their_o empire_n in_o effect_n mr._n arnaud_n have_v himself_o very_o well_o observe_v that_o the_o emperor_n of_o constantinople_n find_v themselves_o 192._o p._n 192._o unable_a to_o withstand_v the_o turkish_a power_n implore_v the_o assistance_n of_o the_o christian_a prince_n in_o europe_n and_o especial_o that_o of_o the_o pope_n who_o at_o that_o time_n be_v the_o most_o powerful_a even_o in_o temporal_n of_o all_o christendom_n and_o that_o alexis_n comnenus_n send_v for_o that_o purpose_n ambassador_n to_o the_o council_n of_o plaisance_n this_o than_o be_v the_o true_a state_n of_o affair_n among_o the_o greek_n and_o other_o eastern_a christian_n which_o force_v they_o to_o a_o great_a compliance_n with_o the_o latin_n from_o who_o assistance_n they_o expect_v their_o establishment_n these_o letter_n of_o the_o patriarch_n of_o jerusalem_n and_o the_o entreaty_n of_o alexis_n together_o with_o the_o solicitation_n of_o peter_n the_o hermit_n procure_v the_o expedition_n of_o the_o latin_n into_o syria_n and_o palestine_n the_o success_n be_v know_v i_o shall_v say_v no_o more_o but_o that_o the_o christian_n of_o that_o country_n only_o change_v their_o master_n for_o the_o lattin_n settle_v themselves_o there_o not_o only_o as_o friend_n and_o deliverer_n but_o conqueror_n which_o make_v all_o thing_n depend_v on_o their_o will_n for_o as_o soon_o as_o ever_o they_o possess_v themselves_o of_o syria_n and_o palestine_n they_o establish_v latin_a bishop_n there_o and_o drive_v out_o the_o greek_a bishop_n from_o their_o church_n that_o will_v not_o yield_v obedience_n to_o the_o roman_a church_n nor_o accommodate_v themselves_o to_o its_o way_n of_o worship_n mr._n arnaud_n do_v not_o whole_o accord_v with_o i_o in_o this_o we_o must_v imagine_v say_v he_o there_o be_v a_o million_o 193._o l._n 2._o c._n 10._o p._n 193._o of_o transubstantiator_n that_o pass_v over_o from_o europe_n into_o asia_n and_o make_v themselves_o master_n of_o a_o great_a part_n of_o these_o eastern_a province_n
return_v home_o the_o whole_a country_n be_v immediate_o fill_v with_o priest_n and_o latin_a bishop_n to_o bring_v over_o the_o people_n to_o piety_n and_o orthodoxy_n whereunto_o mr._n arnaud_n consent_n and_o say_v that_o they_o be_v 256._o l._n 3._o c._n 1._o p._n 256._o more_o rigorous_o handle_v for_o their_o religion_n in_o cyprus_n than_o in_o greece_n that_o several_a greek_a author_n have_v grievous_o complain_v of_o these_o cruelty_n and_o that_o german_a the_o patriarch_n of_o constantinople_n reside_v in_o asia_n most_o pathetical_o lay_v open_a their_o suffering_n to_o pope_n gregory_n the_o nine_o friar_n stephen_n a_o portugais_n in_o his_o history_n of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o cyprus_n 71._o general_z hist_o of_o the_o isle_n and_o kingdom_n of_o cyprus_n fol._n 71._o relate_v that_o although_o guy_n de_fw-fr lusignan_n be_v king_n of_o jerusalem_n yet_o be_v he_o force_v to_o be_v content_v with_o be_v king_n of_o cyprus_n he_o bring_v along_o with_o he_o several_a greek_n armenian_n coptite_n maronites_n jacobite_n indian_n nestorian_n iberian_o and_o georgian_n who_o will_v not_o acknowledge_v the_o roman_a prelacy_n each_o of_o these_o have_v their_o own_o patriarch_n it_o be_v true_a say_v he_o that_o the_o king_n of_o lusignan_n will_v not_o permit_v their_o bishop_n to_o exercise_v any_o jurisdiction_n over_o they_o ibid._n ibid._n but_o order_v they_o shall_v only_o administer_v to_o they_o the_o sacrament_n leave_v the_o overplus_n to_o the_o jurisdiction_n of_o the_o latin_a archbishop_n to_o who_o these_o nation_n in_o this_o respect_n be_v subject_a he_o likewise_o relate_v that_o about_o the_o same_o time_n there_o be_v publish_v the_o revelation_n of_o jesus_n christ_n to_o st._n bridget_n in_o which_o our_o saviour_n himself_o exhort_v the_o greek_n to_o submit_v to_o the_o roman_a church_n let_v ibid._n ibid._n the_o greek_n know_v these_o be_v the_o word_n that_o their_o empire_n kingdom_n and_o lordship_n will_v never_o be_v in_o peace_n and_o security_n but_o always_o subject_a to_o their_o enemy_n from_o who_o they_o will_v continual_o receive_v exceed_v great_a damage_n and_o perpetual_a misery_n till_o such_o time_n as_o they_o submit_v themselves_o to_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n with_o a_o true_a humility_n and_o charity_n obey_v its_o holy_a constitution_n and_o ceremony_n and_o whole_o conform_v themselves_o to_o her_o faith_n and_o after_o this_o manner_n do_v they_o make_v heaven_n and_o earth_n meet_v to_o cause_v these_o people_n to_o change_v their_o religion_n we_o may_v then_o i_o think_v plain_o enough_o see_v that_o it_o have_v not_o be_v the_o latin_n fault_n if_o the_o greek_n have_v not_o receive_v their_o doctrine_n from_o whence_o it_o follow_v that_o if_o it_o do_v appear_v they_o have_v from_o that_o time_n believe_v transubstantiation_n and_o it_o not_o appear_v they_o hold_v it_o before_o we_o may_v then_o reasonable_o conclude_v they_o receive_v it_o from_o the_o latin_n this_o be_v a_o consequence_n which_o follow_v natural_o of_o itself_o the_o testimony_n of_o the_o greek_n can_v be_v any_o long_o produce_v as_o that_o of_o the_o pure_a greek_n after_o so_o many_o endeavour_n to_o make_v they_o embrace_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o the_o more_o mr._n arnaud_n strive_v to_o prove_v the_o intercourse_n of_o these_o two_o nation_n the_o great_a hold_n he_o give_v we_o to_o contest_v with_o he_o the_o advantage_n he_o pretend_v to_o have_v obtain_v from_o hence_o but_o he_o use_v a_o admirable_a expedient_a to_o hinder_v we_o from_o mind_v this_o consequence_n for_o have_v see_v on_o one_o hand_n that_o these_o history_n be_v too_o well_o know_v to_o be_v pass_v over_o whole_o in_o silence_n and_o on_o the_o other_o that_o if_o he_o shall_v sincere_o produce_v they_o as_o they_o be_v in_o themselves_o they_o will_v certain_o make_v for_o our_o advantage_n as_o it_o have_v be_v already_o observe_v he_o have_v thereupon_o bethink_v 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answer_v he_o ought_v faithful_o to_o translate_v this_o passage_n cabasilas_n speak_v of_o the_o gift_n and_o say_v that_o the_o faithful_a adore_v bless_v and_o praise_n jesus_n christ_n who_o be_v understand_v in_o they_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d now_o a_o man_n must_v be_v very_o 37._o cap._n 37._o little_a conversant_a among_o greek_a author_n not_o to_o know_v that_o when_o the_o question_n be_v concern_v the_o symbol_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d or_o the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d signify_v the_o spiritual_a and_o mystical_a object_n represent_v by_o the_o outward_a sign_n jesus_n christ_n then_o be_v represent_v by_o the_o gift_n be_v adore_v according_a to_o cabasilas_n and_o not_o the_o gift_n themselves_o which_o be_v what_o i_o observe_v in_o my_o answer_n to_o the_o perpetuity_n mr._n arnaud_n will_v have_v i_o before_o i_o make_v use_n of_o this_o passage_n to_o consider_v all_o that_o he_o have_v take_v out_o of_o this_o author_n to_o show_v he_o believe_v the_o real_a presence_n for_o say_v he_o cabasilas_n assert_n in_o his_o book_n that_o our_o saviour_n christ_n be_v real_o present_a in_o the_o sacrament_n and_o show_v we_o in_o this_o passage_n we_o ought_v to_o adore_v he_o 317._o lib._n 3._o cap._n 8._o p._n 317._o in_o the_o gift_n therefore_o do_v he_o teach_v the._n adoration_n of_o the_o eucharist_n i_o answer_v that_o cabasilas_n neither_o teach_v transubstantiation_n nor_o the_o real_a presence_n as_o i_o shall_v make_v appear_v in_o its_o place_n and_o have_v the_o author_n of_o the_o perpetuity_n allege_v the_o passage_n cite_v by_o mr._n arnaud_n we_o shall_v not_o have_v be_v want_v to_o examine_v they_o but_o the_o question_n then_o in_o hand_n only_o concern_v the_o adoration_n i_o can_v not_o without_o great_a injustice_n tire_v the_o reader_n with_o a_o long_o dispute_v about_o the_o real_a presence_n before_o i_o can_v allege_v one_o formal_a passage_n touch_v the_o subject_a i_o handle_v mr._n arnaud_n tell_v we_o afterward_o that_o cabasilas_n blame_v those_o that_o adore_v before_o 9_o lib._n 10._o cap._n 9_o the_o consecration_n the_o gift_n which_o be_v carry_v about_o and_o that_o speak_v to_o they_o as_o to_o our_o saviour_n himself_o and_o approve_v they_o shall_v give_v the_o same_o respect_n to_o the_o eucharist_n after_o its_o consecration_n i_o answer_v that_o the_o greek_n prostrate_v themselves_o before_o the_o book_n of_o the_o gospel_n and_o speak_v to_o it_o as_o to_o our_o saviour_n himself_o and_o yet_o it_o can_v hence_o be_v conclude_v they_o adore_v the_o book_n itself_o with_o a_o absolute_a adoration_n as_o if_o the_o book_n be_v in_o effect_n our_o saviour_n himself_o cabasilas_n like_v they_o shall_v do_v the_o same_o thing_n in_o respect_n of_o the_o consecrate_a gift_n but_o do_v not_o approve_v they_o shall_v do_v it_o before_o their_o consecration_n although_o he_o already_o
i_o say_v be_v so_o well_o know_v that_o allatius_n himself_o censure_v a_o protestant_n name_v jerom_n viscer_fw-la for_o say_v the_o greek_n carry_v the_o body_n of_o our_o saviour_n in_o procession_n twice_o about_o the_o church_n so_o far_o be_v 15._o allatide_n perp._n cons_n lib._n 3._o cap._n 15._o they_o say_v he_o from_o carry_v the_o eucharist_n twice_o about_o the_o church_n that_o on_o the_o contrary_n they_o carry_v it_o not_o at_o all_o for_o that_o which_o they_o carry_v from_o the_o prothesis_n to_o the_o great_a altar_n which_o they_o call_v the_o great_a entry_n be_v no_o more_o than_o bread_n and_o wine_n unconsecrate_v and_o these_o be_v mr._n arnaud'_v gross_a proof_n as_o he_o call_v they_o for_o i_o meddle_v not_o here_o with_o what_o he_o tell_v we_o concern_v a_o letter_n from_o mr._n pompone_n we_o shall_v examine_v that_o in_o the_o follow_a book_n his_o fine_a proof_n as_o he_o tetm_v they_o be_v those_o he_o draw_v from_o the_o real_a presence_n in_o 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she_o not_o carry_v it_o about_o in_o procession_n why_o not_o dedicate_v a_o particular_a festival_n to_o it_o mr._n arnaud_n may_v tell_v we_o as_o long_o as_o he_o please_v that_o there_o be_v no_o natural_a 78._o book_n 10._o chap._n 9_o pag._n 78._o coherence_n between_o these_o thing_n and_o the_o adoration_n that_o the_o institution_n of_o these_o ceremony_n be_v pious_a and_o commendable_a but_o no_o wise_a necessary_a and_o that_o the_o adoration_n may_v subsist_v without_o they_o as_o it_o do_v in_o effect_n in_o all_o the_o east_n when_o there_o be_v not_o a_o natural_a coherence_n between_o adoration_n and_o each_o of_o these_o particular_a custom_n yet_o will_v it_o be_v i_o think_v contrary_a to_o nature_n that_o the_o adoration_n shall_v subsist_v separate_v from_o all_o these_o thing_n in_o general_n see_v these_o be_v in_o a_o manner_n almost_o the_o same_o external_a mark_n of_o divine_a worship_n which_o people_n have_v ever_o render_v to_o some_o visible_a object_n 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the_o sick_a it_o be_v not_o give_v we_o to_o make_v a_o show_n of_o it_o but_o to_o be_v religious_o receive_v for_o the_o remission_n of_o sin_n according_a to_o the_o word_n of_o our_o saviour_n all_o historian_n be_v agree_v that_o the_o russian_n do_v not_o observe_v this_o festival_n sigismond_n in_o his_o commentary_n touch_v moscovia_n and_o gagnin_n in_o his_o description_n of_o this_o same_o country_n do_v express_o take_v notice_n of_o it_o but_o that_o which_o most_o considerable_a be_v that_o when_o those_o among_o they_o who_o be_v subject_a to_o the_o king_n of_o poland_n be_v force_v to_o reunite_v themselves_o to_o the_o roman_a church_n which_o happen_v in_o the_o year_n 1595._o under_o pope_n clement_n the_o eight_o they_o make_v this_o contract_n that_o they_o shall_v not_o be_v compel_v to_o make_v any_o procession_n on_o the_o ibid._n hâ—mber_n sum_n conir_fw-fr t._n 11._o tho._n à _fw-fr jesus_n lib_n 6._o p._n 3._o c._n 1._o thom._n â—_o jesus_n ibid._n 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be_v the_o same_o with_o that_o of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n they_o will_v be_v so_o neglectful_a of_o it_o and_o disrespectful_a to_o it_o as_o they_o be_v i_o have_v already_o relate_v in_o my_o answer_n to_o the_o perpetuity_n what_o cardinal_n humbert_n write_v from_o constantinople_n touch_v their_o custom_n of_o bury_v under_o ground_n the_o remain_v of_o the_o communion_n and_o let_v fall_v the_o crumb_n thereof_o without_o trouble_v themselves_o about_o they_o when_o you_o break_v say_v 4._o humbert_n contr_n nic._n bib._n patr._n tom._n 4._o edit_fw-la 4._o he_o the_o holy_a bread_n or_o receive_v it_o you_o be_v not_o concern_v at_o the_o crumb_n fall_v down_o on_o the_o ground_n neither_o be_v you_o more_o careful_a when_o you_o wipe_v the_o dish_n after_o a_o undecent_a manner_n with_o the_o leave_n of_o palm-tree_n or_o brush_v make_v with_o hogs-bristle_n some_o among_o you_o gather_v up_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n with_o so_o great_a irreverence_n that_o you_o fill_v 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and_o never_o cut_v their_o moustache_n it_o frequent_o happen_v that_o drop_n of_o blood_n fall_v from_o they_o on_o the_o holy_a vestment_n or_o altar_n and_o not_o seldom_o on_o the_o ground_n he_o far_o add_v that_o the_o rubric_n of_o their_o liturgy_n deceive_v they_o and_o that_o these_o word_n shall_v be_v correct_v after_o the_o priest_n have_v wipe_v his_o lip_n and_o the_o brim_n of_o the_o sacred_a chalice_n with_o the_o veil_n he_o have_v in_o his_o hand_n he_o call_v the_o deacon_n sacranus_fw-la speak_v of_o the_o russian_n say_v likewise_o that_o they_o give_v the_o communion_n to_o the_o people_n in_o nasty_a wooden_a spoon_n and_o wipe_v off_o the_o crumb_n which_o stick_v thereon_o with_o a_o cloth_n let_v they_o fall_v on_o the_o ground_n they_o be_v far_o from_o be_v scrupulous_a and_o take_v that_o care_n the_o roman_a church_n do_v to_o prevent_v the_o eucharist_n be_v eat_v by_o vermin_n for_o the_o rat_n may_v run_v away_o with_o great_a piece_n of_o it_o and_o yet_o they_o not_o concern_v thereat_o manuel_n the_o patriarch_n of_o constantinople_n who_o binius_fw-la rank_n in_o the_o seven_o century_n be_v ask_v by_o one_o of_o his_o bishop_n what_o punishment_n he_o think_v a_o priest_n deserve_v who_o let_v a_o mouse_n run_v away_o with_o the_o consecrate_a bread_n cold_o answer_v that_o those_o to_o who_o these_o mischance_n happen_v be_v not_o to_o be_v blame_v because_o these_o thing_n be_v usual_a multa_fw-la enim_fw-la ejusmodi_fw-la saepe_fw-la accidunt_fw-la if_o the_o like_a question_n be_v offer_v to_o a_o latin_a bishop_n it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v doubt_v but_o he_o will_v insist_v on_o the_o care_n that_o ought_v to_o be_v take_v for_o the_o prevention_n of_o these_o inconvenience_n and_o instead_o of_o slight_v the_o matter_n and_o excuse_v the_o priest_n as_o this_o patriarch_n do_v by_o say_v this_o often_o happen_v he_o will_v on_o the_o contrary_n invent_v all_o way_n imaginable_a to_o prevent_v this_o from_o ever_o hap'n_v 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sacrament_n hang_v a_o whole_a year_n in_o a_o linen_n bag_n on_o a_o nail_n expose_v to_o the_o mercy_n of_o worm_n according_a to_o the_o express_a testimony_n of_o sacranus_fw-la and_o the_o archbishop_n of_o gnesne_n now_o what_o congruity_n have_v all_o this_o with_o the_o belief_n of_o transubstantiation_n mr._n arnaud_n may_v distinguish_v if_o he_o please_v between_o the_o necessary_a consequence_n and_o those_o of_o congruity_n yet_o all_o his_o philosophy_n fall_v short_a of_o persuade_v we_o that_o these_o practice_n be_v consistent_a with_o the_o belief_n that_o it_o be_v no_o long_o the_o substance_n of_o bread_n but_o the_o proper_a substance_n of_o the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o christ_n i_o shall_v finish_v this_o chapter_n with_o a_o passage_n take_v out_o of_o oecumenius_n which_o shall_v be_v my_o seventeen_o proof_n this_o author_n who_o
his_o innocency_n and_o admirer_n of_o his_o virtue_n it_o be_v the_o fate_n of_o great_a man_n to_o be_v persecute_v and_o those_o that_o be_v acquaint_v with_o the_o eastern_a affair_n must_v acknowledge_v there_o be_v no_o place_n more_o dangerous_a and_o expose_v to_o more_o revolution_n and_o tempest_n than_o the_o patriarchate_o of_o constantinople_n beside_o the_o traverse_n which_o envy_n and_o particular_a interest_n stir_v up_o against_o cyrillus_n he_o have_v the_o whole_a party_n of_o the_o latin_n and_o false_a greek_n against_o he_o who_o look_v upon_o he_o as_o a_o obstacle_n that_o withstand_v their_o old_a design_n to_o bring_v over_o that_o church_n to_o roman_a see_n he_o ibid._n ibid._n be_v assay_v both_o by_o promise_n and_o threaten_n as_o allatius_n himself_o acknowledge_v but_o they_o find_v he_o unmovable_a and_o this_o be_v the_o real_a cause_n of_o their_o after_o hatred_n it_o be_v certain_a cyrillus_n have_v a_o great_a aversion_n to_o the_o romish_a religion_n and_o his_o inclination_n lead_v he_o rather_o to_o the_o protestant_n side_n neither_o do_v i_o doubt_v but_o he_o disapprove_v several_a superstition_n in_o vogue_n among_o the_o greek_n and_o labour_v with_o all_o his_o power_n to_o reform_v they_o according_a to_o the_o direction_n of_o his_o conscience_n and_o authority_n of_o his_o charge_n but_o to_o make_v he_o pass_v under_o pretence_n of_o this_o for_o a_o half_a calvinist_n that_o be_v false_a to_o his_o own_o principle_n this_o be_v very_o disingenuous_o do_v it_o be_v true_a he_o relate_v himself_o that_o in_o a_o conference_n he_o hold_v with_o fuxius_n a_o transylvanian_a doctor_n touch_v the_o invocation_n of_o 8._o hottinger_n in_o appendicâ—_n dissert_v 8._o saint_n he_o acknowledge_v the_o difference_n betwixt_o have_v the_o word_n of_o god_n for_o one_o rule_n and_o follow_v the_o fancy_n and_o opinion_n of_o man_n the_o difference_n between_o build_v a_o man_n faith_n on_o the_o foundation_n of_o 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that_o it_o be_v this_o word_n hay_o and_o stubble_n saint_n paul_n speak_v of_o and_o yet_o not_o absolute_o reject_v this_o doctrine_n in_o the_o main_a metrophanus_n critopulus_n 17._o confess_v ecâ—_n orient_a cap._n 17._o who_o i_o already_o mention_v express_o distinguish_v between_o a_o invocation_n direct_v to_o saint_n as_o mediator_n and_o that_o which_o respect_v they_o as_o ambassador_n who_o the_o church_n have_v near_o almighty_a god_n to_o beseech_v he_o in_o behalf_n of_o their_o brethren_n he_o reject_v the_o first_o upon_o this_o reason_n that_o there_o be_v but_o one_o only_a mediator_n who_o be_v christ_n jesus_n but_o he_o receive_v the_o second_o and_o cyrillus_n himself_o in_o the_o eight_o article_n of_o his_o confession_n insinuate_v this_o distinction_n say_v that_o our_o saviour_n alone_o perform_v the_o office_n of_o chief_a priest_n and_o mediator_n it_o concern_v i_o not_o now_o to_o examine_v whether_o the_o distinction_n be_v good_a or_o not_o it_o be_v 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and_o doleful_a place_n in_o which_o the_o soul_n be_v purge_v after_o this_o life_n i_o answer_v the_o greek_n be_v not_o determinate_o positive_a touch_v the_o state_n of_o the_o soul_n after_o death_n as_o to_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o faithful_a there_o be_v some_o who_o hold_v they_o will_v not_o enjoy_v the_o beatific_a vision_n till_o after_o the_o last_o judgement_n and_o in_o the_o mean_a time_n be_v in_o pleasant_a and_o delightful_a place_n place_n exempt_a from_o all_o kind_n of_o sorrow_n or_o else_o in_o dark_a and_o dismal_a shade_n where_o they_o continual_o ruminate_v on_o the_o sin_n they_o have_v commit_v and_o these_o hold_v there_o be_v three_o different_a rank_n of_o decease_a person_n namely_o the_o unfaithful_a or_o wicked_a the_o faithful_a that_o die_v in_o a_o state_n of_o repentance_n and_o perfect_a holiness_n and_o other_o who_o notwithstanding_o their_o faith_n and_o true_a piety_n yet_o have_v commit_v several_a sin_n for_o which_o they_o have_v not_o 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mactatio_fw-la christi_fw-la the_o vi_o proof_n be_v take_v from_o that_o during_o the_o croisado_n the_o pope_n 462._o ibid._n pag._n 462._o hold_v a_o last_a and_o strict_a union_n with_o the_o church_n of_o armenia_n that_o the_o catholic_n of_o armenia_n yield_v obedience_n to_o pope_n eugenius_n iii_o that_o this_o union_n be_v confirm_v under_o innocent_a iii_o who_o send_v a_o crown_n to_o leo_n king_n of_o armenia_n and_o that_o as_o well_o this_o king_n as_o gregory_z the_o patriarch_n of_o armenia_n send_v a_o ambassador_n to_o innocent_a to_o acknowledge_v the_o primacy_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n that_o there_o be_v alliance_n make_v between_o the_o latin_a prince_n and_o those_o of_o armenia_n that_o pope_n innocent_a excommunicate_v the_o king_n of_o armenia_n at_o the_o request_n of_o the_o templar_n and_o some_o time_n after_o give_v he_o absolution_n that_o this_o union_n last_v during_o gregory_n ix_o his_o time_n and_o clement_n vi_o but_o what_o be_v this_o but_o a_o tell_n of_o story_n and_o copy_v out_o of_o raynadus_n at_o any_o rate_n if_o the_o proof_n which_o mr._n arnaud_n pretend_v to_o draw_v from_o this_o union_n be_v sufficient_a to_o conclude_v the_o armenian_n be_v conformable_a to_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n in_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o real_a presence_n and_o transubstantiation_n it_o will_v be_v sufficient_a to_o conclude_v likewise_o that_o they_o be_v conformable_a to_o she_o in_o all_o the_o other_o point_n concern_v which_o we_o do_v not_o find_v the_o pope_n ever_o trouble_v themselves_o to_o correct_v they_o or_o make_v the_o least_o inquiry_n about_o they_o they_o be_v satisfy_v in_o the_o king_n and_o patriach_n of_o armenia_n acknowledge_v their_o authority_n hope_v by_o this_o mean_n to_o introduce_v hereafter_o quiet_o among_o they_o the_o religion_n and_o ceremony_n of_o the_o latin_n and_o in_o the_o mean_a time_n make_v use_v of_o they_o in_o other_o occasion_n the_o king_n of_o armenia_n on_o the_o other_o 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body_n of_o jesus_n christ_n unite_v its_o self_n to_o the_o soul_n to_o conserve_v fortify_v and_o operate_v in_o it_o his_o grace_n so_o this_o expression_n in_o consistentiam_fw-la corporis_fw-la vadit_fw-la do_v signify_v nothing_o else_o but_o that_o the_o body_n of_o jesus_n christ_n unite_v itself_o to_o our_o body_n to_z preserve_v and_o sow_v on_o they_o according_a to_o the_o father_n the_o seed_n of_o a_o glorious_a immortality_n but_o mr._n arnaud_n deceive_v himself_o not_o comprehend_v that_o according_a to_o damascene_fw-la and_o the_o greek_n there_o be_v two_o thing_n in_o the_o eucharist_n the_o substance_n and_o the_o spiritual_a and_o divine_a virtue_n which_o be_v impart_v to_o it_o by_o mean_n of_o the_o consecration_n so_o that_o damascene_fw-la make_v a_o distribution_n of_o these_o two_o thing_n attribute_n one_o of_o they_o to_o the_o soul_n to_o wit_v the_o divine_a virtue_n and_o the_o other_a to_o the_o body_n to_o wit_v the_o substance_n and_o it_o be_v in_o respect_n of_o this_o latter_a that_o he_o say_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d not_o consume_v nor_o corrupt_v itself_o nor_o pass_v into_o excrement_n god_n forbid_v but_o pass_v into_o our_o substance_n and_o preservation_n he_o say_v express_o it_o pass_v into_o our_o substance_n why_o will_v not_o mr._n arnaud_n suffer_v i_o to_o say_v it_o after_o damascene_fw-la himself_z have_v he_o well_o examine_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o father_n he_o will_v have_v find_v in_o they_o this_o distinction_n of_o two_o thing_n whereof_o the_o sacrament_n consist_v one_o of_o which_o respect_v immediate_o the_o body_n and_o the_o other_a immediate_o the_o soul_n under_o the_o new_a law_n say_v cyrill_a of_o jerusalem_n the_o heavenly_a bread_n and_o cup_n of_o salvation_n sanctify_v the_o soul_n and_o body_n for_o as_o the_o bread_n respect_v the_o body_n so_o the_o word_n that_o anapcâ—hal_o cyril_n hie_v cal._n mist_n 4._o epiphan_n in_o anapcâ—hal_o be_v to_o say_v the_o consecration_n perform_v by_o the_o word_n relate_v to_o the_o soul_n the_o bread_n say_v epiphanius_n be_v a_o aliment_n but_o there_o be_v in_o it_o a_o quicken_a virtue_n and_o origen_n before_o they_o distinguish_v the_o bread_n from_o the_o eucharist_n in_o respect_n of_o what_o it_o have_v material_a and_o in_o reference_n of_o the_o prayer_n say_v over_o 1â—_n origen_n comm._n in_o matt._n 1â—_n it_o the_o iii_o proposition_n censure_v in_o the_o book_n of_o the_o maronites_n be_v contain_v in_o a_o article_n of_o the_o extract_n which_o have_v for_o its_o title_n nonnulla_fw-la loca_fw-la sacrae_fw-la scripturae_fw-la prauè_fw-la intellecta_fw-la some_o place_n of_o scripture_n misunderstand_v and_o be_v thus_o describe_v asserunt_fw-la legendum_fw-la esse_fw-la hoc_fw-la est_fw-la sacramentum_fw-la corporis_fw-la etc._n etc._n they_o affirm_v we_o must_v read_v this_o be_v the_o sacrament_n of_o my_o body_n etc._n etc._n will_v mr._n arnaud_n without_o prejudice_n or_o passion_n but_o consider_v a_o while_n the_o importance_n of_o this_o proposition_n for_o whether_o these_o people_n pretend_v we_o must_v read_v the_o text_n not_o this_o be_v my_o body_n but_o this_o be_v the_o sacrament_n of_o my_o body_n or_o mean_v only_o that_o this_o be_v the_o sense_n we_o must_v give_v to_o the_o word_n of_o christ_n as_o the_o title_n of_o the_o article_n insinuate_v be_v it_o possible_a that_o person_n who_o believe_v the_o substantial_a presence_n and_o transubstantiation_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n shall_v either_o make_v this_o correction_n or_o seek_v this_o explication_n be_v there_o ever_o a_o one_o of_o the_o latin_n that_o ever_o have_v such_o a_o thought_n in_o his_o mind_n that_o we_o must_v not_o read_v this_o be_v my_o body_n but_o this_o be_v the_o sacrament_n of_o my_o body_n do_v they_o not_o all_o on_o the_o contrary_n affirm_v that_o we_o must_v keep_v strict_o to_o the_o literal_a sense_n let_v mr._n arnaud_n consult_v himself_o hereupon_o and_o tell_v we_o whether_o he_o can_v offer_v such_o a_o proposition_n and_o whether_o he_o will_v not_o esteem_v it_o scandalous_a and_o heretical_a shall_v any_o other_o propose_v it_o yet_o must_v we_o observe_v that_o thomas_n a_o jesus_n who_o recite_v the_o extract_n which_o the_o pope_n legate_n make_v say_v express_o that_o these_o proposition_n which_o they_o find_v in_o proper_a term_n in_o the_o book_n of_o the_o maronites_n or_o receive_v by_o the_o public_a consent_n and_o by_o tradition_n and_o which_o they_o condemn_v as_o manifest_o heretical_a or_o erroneous_a or_o superstitious_a be_v error_n common_a to_o the_o other_o eastern_a nation_n so_o that_o what_o we_o now_o rehearse_v concern_v the_o maronites_n must_v be_v extend_v in_o general_a to_o all_o the_o schismatical_a church_n as_o to_o the_o passage_n relate_v by_o abraham_n echellensis_fw-la a_o maronite_n who_o be_v of_o the_o seminary_n at_o rome_n mr._n arnaud_n must_v bear_v with_o i_o if_o i_o tell_v he_o that_o consider_v the_o character_n which_o gabriel_n sionita_n give_v we_o of_o this_o person_n who_o he_o perfect_o know_v be_v both_o of_o the_o same_o country_n and_o have_v pass_v over_o a_o great_a part_n of_o their_o life_n be_v together_o he_o ought_v to_o be_v ashamed_a to_o offer_v any_o thing_n ground_v on_o these_o kind_n of_o testimony_n and_o to_o suppose_v we_o such_o fool_n to_o give_v credit_n to_o the_o relation_n of_o a_o man_n so_o cry_v down_o come_v we_o now_o to_o the_o jacobite_n coptic_o and_o ethiopian_n mr._n arnaud_n bring_v again_o upon_o the_o subject_a of_o these_o three_o church_n the_o same_o negative_a argument_n draw_v from_o the_o silence_n of_o author_n and_o emissary_n which_o he_o use_v in_o reference_n to_o the_o moscovite_n and_o nestorian_n so_o that_o we_o need_v do_v no_o more_o than_o to_o return_v the_o same_o answer_v already_o make_v and_o tell_v he_o that_o if_o these_o people_n have_v the_o same_o belief_n as_o the_o roman_a church_n touch_v the_o substance_n of_o the_o sacrament_n several_a author_n and_o emissary_n will_v without_o doubt_n have_v inform_v the_o world_n thereof_o and_o make_v advantage_n of_o this_o conformity_n which_o they_o discover_v between_o the_o latin_n and_o they_o i_o shall_v tell_v he_o here_o again_o what_o he_o have_v be_v tell_v elsewhere_o that_o when_o the_o emissary_n be_v send_v to_o these_o people_n to_o instruct_v they_o they_o ever_o carry_v along_o with_o they_o the_o profession_n of_o faith_n of_o clement_n vi_o which_o contain_v express_o the_o article_n of_o transubstantiation_n that_o the_o pope_n have_v send_v it_o to_o their_o patriarch_n and_o proselyte_n bishop_n and_o that_o when_o eugenius_n iv_o 1442._o raynald_n ad_fw-la ann_n 1442._o reunite_v to_o the_o latin_a church_n john_n the_o patriarch_n of_o the_o jacobite_n he_o make_v he_o accept_v the_o decreee_v of_o the_o reunion_n of_o the_o armenian_n which_o contain_v in_o proper_a term_n the_o doctrine_n of_o transubstantiation_n but_o after_o all_o we_o may_v tell_v he_o it_o can_v be_v suppose_v the_o jacobite_n coptic_o or_o ethiopian_n be_v conformable_a to_o the_o roman_a church_n in_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o eucharist_n hold_v as_o they_o do_v that_o there_o be_v but_o one_o nature_n in_o our_o saviour_n christ_n which_o be_v the_o divine_a according_a to_o the_o opinion_n of_o eutiche_n and_o dioscorus_n we_o can_v without_o charge_v they_o with_o the_o great_a absurdity_n suppose_v they_o believe_v the_o substance_n of_o bread_n be_v real_o convert_v into_o the_o substance_n of_o the_o body_n of_o jesus_n christ_n see_v they_o hold_v that_o jesus_n christ_n have_v not_o a_o body_n there_o be_v only_o the_o divine_a nature_n in_o he_o now_o that_o they_o hold_v this_o last_o error_n may_v be_v prove_v by_o infinite_a testimony_n nicephorus_n a_o greek_a historian_n affirm_v the_o jacobite_n assert_v tartar_n nicephor_n cali._n eccles_n hist_o lib._n 18._o cap._n 52._o the_o wonderful_a hâ—â—t_n of_o the_o
that_o these_o people_n hold_v so_o monstrous_a a_o opinion_n whence_o come_v it_o that_o both_o ancient_n and_o modern_a author_n make_v no_o mention_n of_o it_o never_o examine_v the_o consequence_n of_o such_o a_o conversion_n have_v vehement_o argue_v against_o the_o conversion_n of_o the_o humane_a nature_n into_o the_o divine_a to_o show_v that_o it_o be_v impossible_a and_o not_o mention_v a_o word_n of_o this_o conversion_n of_o bread_n into_o the_o divinity_n how_o happen_v it_o the_o emissary_n never_o discover_v to_o the_o world_n so_o important_a a_o secret_a never_o dispute_v against_o they_o on_o this_o point_n nor_o the_o pope_n ever_o make_v they_o abjure_v such_o a_o absurd_a opinion_n in_o the_o reunion_n make_v between_o these_o people_n and_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n whence_o come_v it_o the_o greek_n who_o have_v be_v mixtwith_o they_o since_o so_o many_o age_n never_o reproach_v they_o with_o this_o kind_n of_o transubstantiation_n about_o which_o there_o may_v be_v great_a volume_n write_v mr._n arnaud_n who_o be_v so_o ready_a at_o argue_v from_o the_o silence_n of_o all_o these_o people_n author_n traveller_n emissary_n pope_n greek_n etc._n etc._n aught_o to_o inform_v we_o of_o the_o reason_n why_o not_o one_o of_o they_o have_v mention_v a_o word_n of_o this_o pretend_a change_n of_o bread_n into_o the_o nature_n of_o the_o divinity_n all_o this_o i_o think_v shall_v oblige_v mr._n arnaud_n to_o suspend_v a_o while_n his_o judgement_n touch_v mr._n picquet_n letter_n which_o say_v that_o all_o the_o levantine_n christian_n who_o be_v heretic_n and_o consequent_o such_o as_o have_v enter_v into_o a_o confederacy_n against_o the_o roman_a church_n yet_o hold_v as_o a_o article_n of_o faith_n the_o real_a presence_n of_o jesus_n christ_n and_o transubstantiation_n of_o the_o bread_n and_o wine_n into_o the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o our_o lord_n he_o ought_v at_o least_o to_o desire_v he_o book_n the_o content_n of_o this_o letter_n be_v thus_o elate_v by_o mr._n arnaud_n in_o his_o 12_o book_n to_o consult_v what_o they_o mean_v in_o say_v there_o be_v but_o one_o nature_n in_o jesus_n christ_n and_o that_o the_o divine_a one_o and_o yet_o the_o substance_n of_o bread_n to_o be_v real_o change_v into_o the_o substance_n of_o christ_n body_n but_o this_o aught_o to_o oblige_v he_o likewise_o not_o to_o draw_v so_o light_o his_o consequence_n from_o several_a passage_n of_o the_o liturgy_n which_o be_v attribute_v to_o these_o people_n wherein_o the_o eucharist_n be_v call_v the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o jesus_n christ_n and_o say_v to_o be_v true_o this_o body_n and_o this_o blood_n for_o beside_o that_o these_o expression_n import_v not_o transubstantiation_n as_o i_o have_v often_o prove_v and_o shall_v far_o prove_v in_o what_o follow_v it_o be_v to_o be_v consider_v that_o we_o have_v no_o certainty_n that_o these_o piece_n be_v real_a or_o faithful_o translate_v see_v that_o in_o those_o few_o passage_n which_o mr._n arnaud_n produce_v there_o may_v be_v observe_v a_o remarkable_a difference_n the_o liturgy_n which_o be_v in_o the_o biblictheca_n patrum_fw-la under_o the_o title_n of_o canon_n generalis_fw-la aethiopum_fw-la mention_n that_o the_o people_n say_v after_o the_o priest_n have_v consecrate_a amen_o amen_n amen_n credimus_fw-la &_o confidimus_fw-la &_o laudamus_fw-la te_fw-la deus_fw-la noster_fw-la hoc_fw-la verè_fw-la corpus_fw-la tuum_fw-la est_fw-la we_o believe_v it_o we_o trust_v in_o thou_o and_o praise_v thou_o o_o lord_n our_o god_n this_o be_v real_o thy_o body_n but_o athanasius_n kircher_n otherwise_o relate_v these_o word_n amen_o amen_n amen_n credimus_fw-la &_o confidimus_fw-la &_o laudamus_fw-la te_fw-la 518._o mr._n arnaud_n lib._n 5._o c._n 13._o p._n 518._o o_o domine_fw-la deus_fw-la noster_fw-la hoc_fw-la est_fw-la in_o veritate_fw-la credimus_fw-la caro_fw-la tua_fw-la we_o believe_v thou_o we_o trust_v in_o thou_o we_o praise_v thou_o o_o our_o god_n this_o we_o believe_v be_v thy_o flesh_n in_o truth_n in_o one_o place_n the_o people_n be_v make_v to_o say_v they_o believe_v that_o it_o be_v true_o the_o body_n of_o jesus_n christ_n and_o here_o that_o they_o believe_v it_o be_v the_o body_n of_o jesus_n christ_n in_o truth_n now_o there_o be_v a_o difference_n between_o these_o two_o proposition_n for_o in_o one_o the_o adverb_n true_o refer_v to_o the_o body_n and_o in_o the_o other_a to_o the_o faith_n of_o the_o people_n this_o alteration_n be_v not_o so_o inconsiderable_a but_o that_o we_o may_v see_v by_o this_o example_n that_o those_o who_o have_v give_v we_o this_o liturgy_n which_o be_v in_o the_o bibliotheca_fw-la patrum_fw-la have_v not_o scruple_v to_o accommodate_v their_o translation_n as_o much_o as_o in_o they_o lay_v to_o the_o sense_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n and_o to_o wrest_v for_o this_o effect_n the_o term_n of_o the_o original_a i_o never_o say_v this_o whole_a piece_n be_v absolute_o fictitious_a as_o mr._n arnaud_n will_v make_v the_o world_n believe_v but_o only_o that_o that_o passage_n which_o speak_v of_o the_o elevation_n of_o the_o host_n be_v 516._o answer_v to_o the_o perp._n part_n 2._o c._n 8._o lib_fw-la 5._o c._n 13._o p._n 516._o a_o mere_a forgery_n and_o this_o we_o have_v prove_v by_o the_o testimony_n of_o alvarez_n and_o zaga_n zabo_n one_o of_o which_o positive_o deny_v the_o ethiopian_n elevate_v the_o sacrament_n and_o the_o other_a declare_v they_o do_v not_o expose_v it_o it_o be_v to_o no_o purpose_n for_o mr._n arnaud_n to_o endeavour_v to_o justify_v this_o alteration_n in_o say_v perhaps_o there_o be_v different_a ceremony_n in_o ethiopia_n that_o they_o elevate_v the_o sacrament_n in_o some_o place_n and_o not_o in_o other_o that_o they_o elevate_v it_o in_o a_o manner_n so_o little_a remarkable_a that_o it_o have_v give_v occasion_n to_o alvarez_n and_o zaga_n zabo_n in_o compare_v it_o with_o the_o elevation_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n to_o say_v they_o 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