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A61458 The church of Rome not sufficiently defended from her apostacy, heresie, and schisme as appears by an answer to certain quæries, printed in a book entituled Fiat Lux, and sent transcribed (as 'tis suppos'd) from thence by a Romanist to a priest of the Church of England. Whereunto are annexed the Romanist's reply to the Protestant's Answer, and the Protestant's rejoynder to that reply. By P.S. D.D. Samways, Peter, 1615-1693. 1663 (1663) Wing S545B; ESTC R222361 39,609 116

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〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d this_o acute_a replyer_n be_v able_a to_o pierce_v the_o eye●_n of_o a_o jackdaw_n as_o infallible_o as_o any_o on●_n i_o ever_o hear_v of_o as_o if_o departure_n it_o sel●_n do_v imply_v a_o crime_n without_o reference_n to_o the_o society_n which_o a_o man_n leave_v b●_n his_o departure_n be_v departure_n from_o the_o bless_a
son_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n shall_v fail_v to_o attain_v that_o constant_o frame_v their_o life_n according_a to_o her_o sound_n and_o orthodox_n doctrine_n and_o that_o be_v no_o less_o than_o the_o certain_a salvation_n of_o your_o soul_n i_o rest_v sir_n your_o most_o humble_a servant_n p._n samwaies_o errata_fw-la read_v etc._n etc._n but_o insert_v what_o be_v thus_o mark_v in_o the_o epist_n amuse_v page_n 3._o line_n 6._o in_o p._n 10._o l._n 5._o from_o ibid._n l._n 25._o obstinate_a p._n 16._o l._n 24._o latin_n p._n 17._o l._n 8._o condemn_a p._n 18._o l._n 5._o unlimited_a p._n 23._o l._n 21._o of_o rome_n p._n 29._o l._n 10._o reply_v p._n 37._o l._n 7._o debeitam_fw-la in_fw-la mark_fw-mi p._n 38._o spec_fw-la alia_fw-la ibid._n recess_n p._n 41._o l._n 5_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d ibid._n l._n 28._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d ibid._n reason_v p._n 42._o l._n 9_o bishop_n p._n 45._o l._n 12._o the_o ib._n l._n 20._o antecessores_fw-la in_o mar_v p._n 48._o jacobasius_n ib._n l._n 16._o vim_o in_o mark_fw-mi p._n 51._o diminish_v p._n 52._o l._n 1._o think_v ib._n l._n 21._o &_o in_o mark_fw-mi ib._n magnopere_fw-la in_o mar_v p._n 53._o cred_fw-mi tum_fw-la ib._n photius_n ib._n l._n 26._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d ibid._n franofurdiensi_fw-la in_o m._n p._n 55_o hinemarus_fw-la ib._n l._n 25._o pithaeus_n p._n 56._o habita_fw-la in_fw-la mark_fw-mi ib._n deal_n ib._n germancrun_v &_o apostolici_fw-la ibid._n a_o p._n 57_o l._n 20._o ex._n 20.4_o 5._o p._n 58._o l._n 17_o martyrib_n in_fw-it mark_fw-mi p._n 62._o quoniam_fw-la in_o m._n p._n 63._o dominico_n ib._n plebi_fw-la ib._n chrysost_n p._n 67._o l._n 8._o nyssen_n ibid._n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d ib._n quia_fw-la in_fw-la mark_fw-mi p._n 76._o duodececim_fw-la in_o mar_v p._n 78._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d p._n 79._o l._n 17._o ancient_a p._n 80._o l._n 28._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o mark_fw-mi p._n 83._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d ibid._n sometime_o p._n 84._o l._n 26_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o mark_fw-mi p._n 87._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d ibid._n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d ibid._n any_o jurisdiction_n p._n 89._o lin_v 23._o what_o other_o error_n of_o the_o press_n beside_o these_o here_o note_v the_o reader_n shall_v observe_v he_o be_v desire_v candid_o to_o correct_v the_o invalidity_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n plea_n against_o her_o apostasy_n heresy_n &_o schism_n as_o appear_v by_o a_o protestant_n answer_v to_o certain_a query_n etc._n etc._n the_o romanist_n query_n it_o will_v not_o be_v deny_v but_o that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v once_o a_o most_o pure_a excellent_a flourish_a and_o mother-church_n this_o church_n can_v not_o cease_v to_o be_v such_o but_o she_o must_v fall_v either_o by_o apostasy_n heresy_n or_o schism_n first_o apostasy_n be_v not_o only_o a_o renounce_n of_o the_o faith_n of_o christ_n but_o the_o very_a name_n and_o title_n of_o christianity_n 435._o 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very_o incongruous_a that_o so_o great_a and_o glorious_a a_o church_n shall_v be_v condemn_v by_o every_o one_o that_o have_v a_o mind_n to_o condemn_v she_o three_o schism_n be_v a_o departure_n of_o division_n from_o the_o unity_n of_o the_o church_n whereby_o the_o bond_n and_o communion_n hel●_n with_o some_o former_a church_n be_v break_v and_o dissolve_v if_o ever_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n divide_v herself_o by_o schism_n from_o any_o other_o body_n of_o faithful_a christian_n or_o break_v communion_n or_o go_v forth_o the_o society_n of_o any_o elder_a church_n i_o pray_v you_o satisfy_v i_o as_o to_o these_o particular_n 1._o who_o company_n do_v she_o leave_v 2._o from_o what_o body_n do_v she_o go_v forth_o 3._o where_o be_v the_o true_a church_n which_o she_o forsake_v for_o it_o appear_v a_o little_a strange_a to_o i_o that_o a_o church_n shall_v be_v account_v schismatical_a when_o there_o can_v be_v assign_v any_o other_o church_n different_a from_o she_o which_o 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