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A78425 The inconsistencie of the independent way, with Scripture and it self. Manifested in a threefold discourse, I. Vindicia vindiciarum, with M. Cotton. II. A review of M. Hookers Survey of church-discipline. The first part. III. A diatribe with the same M. Hooker concerning baptism of infants of non-confederate parents, cap. 2. Of his third part. / By Daniel Cawdrey ... Cawdrey, Daniel, 1588-1664. 1651 (1651) Wing C1629A; ESTC R22287 14,160 25

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should see their differences being so few of them and their Lightnesse and Inconstancy if as oft they have done they should hereafter change their Judgements upon pretence of New Light perhaps as old errour as that they left last That I may briefly declare my judgement concerning this Way so much adored and magnified by many there are three things which have much prevailed with me to perswade me that it is not the way of Christ 1. The contradictions at least the many differences as from the Scriptures so from one another and one man from himself a Scheme whereof is presented at the end of our first part 2. The propensity of many of their principles wherein they differ from the Presbyterians to separation and to the worst of Schism I shall instance in some particulars 1. That there is no Catholike visible Church no Church visible but a particular Congregation which is to deny all communion of Churches and to grant only communion of members yea some grant scarcely so much Witness the Reverend Authour of the Survey of Church-Discipline who saies expresly Surv. par 2. pag. 64 65. He hath professed the course of administration of the Sacrament to those of another Congregation to be unwarrantable because the Administration of the Sacrament is a Ministerial Act and what authority hath he the Pastor to do it or they to receive it from him to whom he is no Pastor This must needs open a door to as many divisions as there are Churches none having any power beyond their own Church whereby all Religions all Heresies may be tolerated and none can hinder it 2. That all Church-power the power of the Keys is independently and solely in a particular Congregation which is the setting up of Church against Church and that Admission and Ejection of members is only into and from a particular Church A childe is baptized into a particular Congregation and not into the Catholike or other Churches to them he is an Infidell And one excommunicated is cast out only of his particular Church because the power extends no further then to a particular Congregation 3. That a Church essentiall or a Congregation of beleevers without Officers may chuse and ordain her own Officers which will be the ready way to break them into separated Assemblies one part chusing one another another 4. That a Minister is a Minister to none but his own Congregation which tends to destroy the unity of the Church and that communion which the Churches of God may and ought to have one with another 5. Gathering of Churches out of true Churches which gives way to every man to separate from his own and to joyn himself with another Church supposed purer with contempt of the former Congregation The Reverend M. Hooker confesseth Praef. to his Survey p. 11. in his Book That the faithful Congregations in England are true Churches and therefore it is sinful to separate from them as no Churches And yet our brethren here practise this separation by gathering their Churches out of ours confessedly true Churches 6. That none but confederates by the explicit Church-Covenant have right to Ordinances which is to keep out many precious souls from communion with their fellow-fellow-members and their children from Baptism and to make them no better then Infidels That 's the second thing 3. The many mischievous consequences of those principles and sad effects of the practice of the Independent way in Old England fully manifested in these few last years For instance 1. Under the Name Shadow and Shelter of Independency as another Trojan Horse have not only other Sectaries but had liberty to set up their Churches 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 but also the Jesuites themselves have masked under this Vizard transforming themselves into all shapes and sects and have had the fairest or rather the foulest opportunity to propagate all monstrous and soul destroying errours and to ruin not only the Presbyterian but the Independent Churches also Evident it is that most of the points of Popery are preached and published in these Churches as a fair inducement to usher in the Antichristian Religion whenever the secular power shall come into their hand 2. Their Renouncing of their former Ordination in our Churches which is reported to be done by some if not most of our Dissenting Brethren hath ministred occasion to Jesuites Anabaptists profane persons and such like to cry down our Ministry as Antichristian or null and hath exposed us to all those foul reproaches of Baals Priests False Prophets Black-coats c. which are daily poured out against the faithfull Ministers of Jesus Christ It is by one of them laid to our charge as a great crime that we also have not followed them in this Renunciation This he saies M Bart Model p 119 120. As learned and godly as the most and best of the Ministers are in the Church of England yet with grief of heart let it be spoken very few of them have learned to this very day to disclaim and renounce the evill and errour of the way of coming into the Ministry I mean their Antichristian Ordination received from the Prelates c. Those Bishops being Antichristian their Ordination also must needs be so c. To which I say these things 1. I desire him to remember his own distinction Pag. 80. We must distinguish between the corruption of things and the things themselves between the essentials of a Church-state and the accidentals Now it cannot be denied but in respect of the Accidentals of a Church-state so all is lost under the defection of Antichrist that is in respect of the right order and administration of Ministry Ordinances and Government but not the essentials of these and so long as these remain the Church-state is not lost c. Our Ordination therefore was not Antichristian though it be granted that the Title and Office of a Diocesan Bishop were Antichristian Nay he seems to say and hold that in Rome it self the Church-state is not lost so long as the essentials remain viderit ipse But we say The Prelates were certainly Presbyters and ordained not alone but together with the hands of a Presbytery And if they did arrogate such power to themselves as that no Ordination could passe without them yet that was but an Additional corrupt circumstance And himself tels us That the corruption of Administration doth not wholly make it null or void Pag. 10.5 Then we say again Our Ordination was not Antichristian that which was so if any thing in it was so was rather the errour of the Ordainers then of the Ordination or ordained 2. If the call of our Congregations will give us a right Ordination most of us if not all have that to shew as well as themselves A call or consent of our people either explicit or implicit which is confessed sufficient by the Reverend Surveyor of Church-Discipline Par. 1. pag. 47. Thus the people and parish●s c. and