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how_o for_o if_o they_o know_v your_o grief_n it_o be_v either_o by_o hear_v of_o your_o word_n or_o understand_v of_o your_o thought_n or_o by_o some_o revelation_n make_v to_o they_o think_v you_o they_o know_v your_o thought_n r._n no_o indeed_o that_o be_v proper_a to_o god_n c._n think_v you_o they_o hear_v your_o voice_n when_o you_o express_v in_o prayer_n your_o thought_n by_o your_o word_n r._n i_o can_v think_v that_o neither_o since_o they_o want_v their_o body_n which_o have_v the_o organ_n of_o hear_v c._n then_o they_o must_v know_v it_o by_o revelation_n r._n it_o be_v most_o likely_a that_o when_o we_o pray_v god_n tell_v they_o our_o necessity_n c._n what_o need_v you_o then_o to_o pray_v they_o to_o intercede_v for_o you_o r._n but_o how_o shall_v we_o go_v to_o a_o king_n but_o by_o his_o courtier_n c._n what_o a_o silly_a refuge_n be_v that_o you_o have_v forget_v what_o you_o answer_v even_o now_o see_v you_o not_o here_o how_o that_o similitude_n use_v by_o 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