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B08272 Animadversions upon the Antisynodalia americana, a treatise printed in old England; in the name of the dissenting brethren in the synod held at Boston in New England 1662. Tending to clear the elders and churches of New England from those evils and declinings charged upon many of them in the two prefaces before the said book. Together with an answer unto the reasons alledged for the opinion of the dissenters, and a reply to such answers as are given to the arguments of the synod. / by John Allin, pastor of the Church of Christ at Dedham in N. England. Allin, John, 1596-1671. 1664 (1664) Wing A1035; ESTC W19760 64,983 88

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be_v to_o be_v bless_v reas_n 4._o baptism_n be_v as_o circumcision_n be_v a_o seal_n of_o the_o righteousness_n of_o faith_n rom._n 4.11_o which_o be_v invisible_a in_o those_o child_n that_o shall_v transmit_v baptism_n ans_fw-fr this_o be_v true_a that_o as_o circumcision_n so_o baptism_n be_v a_o seal_n of_o the_o righteousness_n of_o faith_n and_o thence_o i_o infer_v that_o when_o god_n by_o his_o institution_n appoint_v that_o seal_n to_o be_v transmit_v to_o the_o seed_n of_o abraham_n so_o long_o as_o they_o continue_v in_o the_o visible_a covenant_n they_o be_v accept_v of_o god_n as_o believer_n in_o ecclesiastical_a account_n and_o so_o it_o be_v in_o respect_n of_o transmit_v baptism_n so_o long_o as_o the_o seed_n of_o the_o faithful_a continue_v in_o the_o visible_a church_n they_o be_v visible_a believer_n in_o ecclesiastical_a account_n and_o may_v so_o transmit_v baptism_n to_o their_o seed_n reas_n 5._o they_o allege_v act_n 2.38_o 39_o which_o they_o say_v restrain_v baptism_n to_o the_o next_o seed_n of_o such_o parent_n as_o manifest_v repentance_n and_o effectual_a call_n and_o be_v of_o more_o weight_n than_o any_o argument_n from_o far-fetched_a and_o uncertain_a consequence_n out_o of_o the_o old_a testament_n ans_fw-fr to_o this_o text_n be_v full_o answer_v before_o and_o as_o be_v say_v it_o favour_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o synod_n that_o the_o promise_n or_o covenant_n be_v the_o ground_n of_o baptism_n and_o that_o this_o text_n have_v no_o such_o restraint_n it_o may_v appear_v thus_o let_v all_o be_v grant_v that_o be_v here_o say_v yet_o suppose_v such_o visible_a convert_v discover_v afterward_o no_o sap_n or_o savour_n of_o grace_n to_o the_o fair_a charity_n but_o continue_v still_o in_o the_o church_n shall_v not_o their_o seed_n be_v baptise_a or_o must_v every_o church-member_n hold_v forth_o a_o profession_n of_o repentance_n at_o the_o baptism_n of_o every_o child_n i_o suppose_v our_o brethren_n will_v not_o 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their_o person_n but_o reach_v their_o person_n at_o the_o second_o hand_n viz._n by_o their_o parent_n so_o indeed_o some_o express_v themselves_o but_o i_o think_v it_o will_v not_o have_v be_v own_v by_o the_o rest_n but_o thus_o to_o reach_v their_o person_n be_v not_o to_o touch_v they_o with_o any_o act_n of_o church-government_n but_o of_o family-government_n only_o yea_o thus_o to_o reach_v their_o person_n be_v no_o more_o than_o the_o church_n may_v reach_v a_o heathen_a servant_n for_o the_o church_n may_v censure_v the_o master_n if_o he_o restrain_v not_o the_o evil_n of_o his_o servant_n as_o well_o as_o a_o father_n for_o the_o evil_n of_o his_o child_n second_o say_v they_o by_o discipline_n we_o do_v not_o intend_v excommunication_n which_o be_v proper_a to_o offender_n in_o full_a communion_n for_o how_o can_v they_o be_v cast_v out_o of_o full_a communion_n that_o be_v never_o in_o it_o ans_fw-fr then_o they_o must_v suppose_v that_o excommunication_n be_v no_o part_n of_o discipline_n or_o intend_v a_o discipline_n ineffectual_a to_o christ_n end_n for_o what_o be_v admonition_n unregarded_a without_o that_o censure_n to_o set_v they_o home_o mat._n 18._o excommunication_n be_v not_o to_o cast_v out_o of_o full_a communion_n only_o but_o out_o of_o all_o communion_n let_v he_o be_v as_o a_o heathen_a and_o publican_n it_o be_v a_o give_v up_o to_o satan_n for_o the_o destruction_n of_o the_o flesh_n that_o the_o spirit_n may_v be_v save_v 1_o cor._n 5.5_o and_o this_o sovereign_a medicine_n all_o that_o be_v within_o be_v capable_a of_o and_o may_v stand_v in_o need_n of_o it_o nevertheless_o say_v they_o the_o church_n may_v disow_v they_o and_o declare_v they_o to_o be_v no_o member_n upon_o their_o desert_v of_o the_o church_n and_o the_o covenant_n of_o their_o father_n by_o such_o a_o sentence_n as_o peter_n pronounce_v to_o simon_n magus_n act_v 8.21_o ans_fw-fr 1._o this_o disow_v such_o as_o no_o member_n be_v a_o mere_a invention_n 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esau_n be_v not_o clear_a that_o they_o do_v excommunicate_v themselves_o but_o be_v cast_v out_o by_o the_o lord_n the_o curse_n of_o cain_n be_v to_o be_v a_o vagabond_n and_o fugitive_n in_o the_o earth_n which_o he_o understand_v of_o his_o cast_v out_o of_o the_o church_n from_o thy_o face_n shall_v i_o be_v hide_v gen._n 4.14_o as_o for_o ishmael_n the_o case_n be_v plain_a that_o he_o be_v cast_v out_o by_o abraham_n the_o governor_n of_o the_o church_n by_o the_o appointment_n of_o god_n and_o of_o esau_n it_o be_v express_o say_v that_o when_o he_o will_v have_v inherit_v the_o blessing_n he_o be_v reject_v viz._n of_o isaac_n after_o which_o rejection_n he_o go_v away_o from_o the_o church_n in_o isaac_n family_n concern_v the_o instance_n of_o the_o son_n of_o abraham_n by_o keturah_n how_o long_o they_o continue_v to_o worship_n the_o true_a god_n or_o how_o they_o fall_v off_o who_o can_v say_v or_o prove_v that_o they_o excommunicate_v themselves_o without_o any_o act_n of_o god_n that_o have_v the_o nature_n of_o such_o a_o censure_n as_o for_o open_a and_o obstinate_a heretic_n and_o apostate_n which_o some_o call_n excommunicati_fw-la de_fw-la jure_fw-la that_o hinder_v not_o but_o that_o they_o may_v and_o aught_o to_o be_v excommunicate_v in_o fact_n also_o but_o if_o we_o speak_v of_o gospel-time_n wherein_o the_o lord_n jesus_n have_v so_o express_o institute_v church-censure_n for_o the_o save_n of_o offender_n and_o purge_v of_o his_o church_n and_o have_v confirm_v the_o same_o with_o such_o promise_n to_o b●nde_v and_o loose_a in_o heaven_n what_o be_v bind_v and_o lose_v on_o earth_n mat._n 18._o i_o conceive_v with_o due_a respect_n to_o the_o author_n allege_v that_o no_o member_n of_o a_o particular_a church_n have_v the_o power_n and_o exercise_n of_o church-discipline_n can_v so_o cut_v off_o his_o relation_n to_o that_o church_n actual_o but_o that_o the_o church_n may_v and_o aught_o to_o dispense_v the_o censure_n to_o he_o as_o 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church-discipline_n be_v not_o to_o be_v admit_v but_o this_o position_n do_v open_v a_o door_n to_o evade_v and_o frustrate_v church-discipline_n for_o by_o this_o mean_n any_o member_n in_o danger_n of_o church-censure_n may_v withdraw_v himself_o renounce_v the_o church_n and_o then_o they_o can_v proceed_v against_o he_o for_o it_o be_v in_o vain_a to_o cut_v off_o a_o member_n that_o have_v already_o excommunicate_v himself_o if_o any_o shall_v say_v it_o be_v sufficient_a punishment_n and_o judgement_n of_o god_n to_o leave_v a_o man_n so_o to_o excommunicate_v himself_o ans_fw-fr but_o how_o then_o shall_v the_o church_n be_v discharge_v of_o their_o duty_n to_o save_v the_o offender_n by_o excommunication_n that_o tend_v to_o destroy_v the_o flesh_n and_o save_v his_o soul_n i_o never_o read_v that_o god_n bless_a self-excommunication_n to_o that_o end_n yea_o by_o this_o position_n a_o wicked_a schismatical_a member_n shall_v take_v the_o key_n out_o of_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o church_n and_o censure_v the_o whole_a church_n as_o oft_o they_o do_v and_o the_o church_n have_v no_o power_n to_o lay_v any_o punishment_n upon_o he_o for_o it_o and_o hence_o those_o scripture_n allege_v hebr._n 10.21_o 1_o john_n 2.19_o may_v receive_v a_o just_a answer_n for_o that_o forsake_v of_o the_o assemble_v of_o themselves_o and_o go_v out_o do_v not_o exempt_v they_o from_o church-censure_n or_o prove_v that_o they_o be_v cut_v off_o before_o church-censure_n if_o the_o foot_n say_v i_o be_o not_o of_o the_o body_n be_v it_o therefore_o not_o of_o the_o body_n or_o can_v this_o withdraw_a discharge_n the_o church_n from_o use_v the_o mean_n of_o their_o recovery_n or_o exempt_v themselves_o from_o the_o just_a censure_n and_o punishment_n appoint_v by_o christ_n for_o such_o offender_n reas_n 5._o these_o adult_n person_n be_v member_n or_o non-member_n if_o non-member_n than_o a_o person_n admit_v a_o member_n and_o seal_v by_o baptism_n not_o cast_v out_o nor_o 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in_o they_o no_o sap_n or_o savour_n of_o faith_n and_o grace_n even_o to_o the_o charitable_a judgement_n of_o most_o in_o the_o church_n my_o question_n be_v whether_o yet_o so_o long_o as_o they_o continue_v in_o the_o church_n their_o infant-seed_n shall_v not_o be_v baptise_a if_o it_o be_v grant_v than_o it_o be_v not_o such_o visible_a faith_n and_o grace_n but_o the_o interest_n in_o the_o church_n and_o covenant_n that_o give_v right_o to_o baptism_n and_o so_o to_o these_o church-member_n in_o question_n if_o this_o be_v deny_v let_v there_o be_v one_o tittle_n of_o scripture-rule_n or_o example_n produce_v to_o the_o contrary_a having_n answer_v their_o reason_n i_o shall_v present_v a_o argument_n from_o the_o same_o text_n to_o confirm_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o synod_n it_o be_v to_o be_v note_v that_o the_o promise_n act_v 2.39_o be_v that_o covenant-promise_a which_o god_n make_v with_o abraham_n as_o appear_v by_o that_o parallel_n place_n act_v 3._o where_o for_o 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chap._n 3.19_o 25._o therefore_o it_o be_v the_o covenant_n of_o god_n with_o his_o visible_a church_n that_o give_v right_a to_o baptism_n which_o be_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o synod_n thus_o much_o to_o their_o scripture-argument_n to_o which_o our_o brethren_n add_v the_o testimony_n of_o mr._n richard_n mather_n well_o agree_v with_o this_o say_v they_o be_v the_o answer_n of_o reverend_a mr._n mather_n in_o his_o catechism_n ans_fw-fr but_o by_o their_o leave_n it_o differ_v from_o their_o answer_n in_o the_o main_a thing_n that_o touch_v the_o cause_n in_o hand_n for_o there_o be_v nothing_o of_o full_a communion_n in_o he_o which_o they_o put_v into_o they_o 2._o that_o reverend_a and_o learned_a author_n speak_v only_o what_o adult_n person_n shall_v be_v in_o join_v to_o the_o church_n and_o the_o seed_n of_o such_o so_o convert_v
at_o they_o to_o put_v they_o upon_o such_o duty_n and_o deal_v with_o they_o for_o their_o neglect_n thereof_o and_o when_o their_o parent_n be_v dead_a what_o shall_v the_o church_n do_v then_o and_o when_o their_o membership_n be_v own_v only_o in_o general_n as_o wrap_v up_o in_o their_o parent_n not_o actual_a or_o personal_a yea_o when_o their_o personal_a or_o foederal_n holiness_n be_v deny_v to_o continue_v in_o adult_n age_n these_o and_o the_o like_a passage_n pag._n 23_o 25_o 37._o and_o in_o other_o place_n do_v make_v i_o fear_v that_o our_o brethren_n will_v not_o hold_v to_o their_o expression_n in_o this_o place_n reply_v 2._o although_o rom._n 11.20_o say_v not_o only_o for_o notorious_a sin_n etc._n etc._n yet_o it_o show_v how_o the_o jew_n be_v break_v off_o which_o we_o know_v be_v for_o notorious_a sin_n and_o incorrigible_a impenitency_n and_o unbelief_n and_o let_v any_o show_v that_o any_o have_v be_v break_v off_o or_o by_o rule_n may_v be_v so_o for_o negative_a unbelief_n without_o impenitency_n add_v the_o contrary_n we_o find_v 2_o chron._n 36.16_o mat._n 21.43_o act_n 13.45_o 46._o &_o 18.6_o &_o 19.8_o reas_n 2._o the_o jewish_a child_n circumcise_v do_v not_o cease_v to_o be_v member_n by_o grow_v up_o to_o adult_v age_n but_o continue_v in_o the_o church_n and_o be_v bind_v to_o the_o duty_n of_o member_n deut._n 26_o 2-10_a &_o 16_o 16-17_a gal._n 53._o ans_fw-fr the_o circumcise_a jew_n do_v not_o cease_v to_o be_v member_n simple_o for_o grow_v up_o but_o for_o grow_v out_o of_o kind_n jer._n 2.21_o they_o become_v degenerate_a plant_n amos_n 9.7_o child_n of_o the_o negro_n bastard_n branch_n to_o be_v cut_v off_o joh._n 15.2_o reply_n there_o be_v a_o double_a great_a mistake_n in_o apply_v these_o scripture_n 1._o they_o do_v not_o speak_v of_o person_n cease_v to_o be_v member_n as_o for_o jer._n 2._o it_o be_v the_o word_n of_o the_o lord_n to_o jerusalem_n ver_fw-la 2._o and_o that_o in_o the_o thirteen_o year_n of_o 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be_v therefore_o call_v a_o degenerate_a plant_n ver_fw-la 21._o amos_n speak_v of_o israel_n in_o the_o corrupt_a time_n of_o idolatry_n and_o reprove_v their_o great_a covetousness_n and_o oppression_n chap._n 8.4_o 5._o and_o therefore_o if_o such_o as_o those_o have_v cease_v to_o be_v member_n in_o adult_n age_n it_o do_v not_o follow_v that_o the_o membership_n of_o these_o in_o question_n do_v cease_v what_o be_v here_o add_v about_o the_o phrase_n of_o enter_v into_o covenant_n be_v a_o mistake_n for_o the_o synod_n speak_v of_o enter_v into_o a_o new_a membership_n not_o deny_v the_o phrase_n of_o enter_v into_o or_o renew_v the_o covenant_n reas_n 3._o those_o relation_n of_o bond-servant_n and_o subject_n which_o the_o scripture_n make_v use_v of_o to_o set_v forth_o the_o state_n of_o the_o child_n of_o the_o church_n by_o levit._n 25.41_o 42._o ezek._n 37.25_o do_v not_o cease_v with_o infancy_n but_o continue_v in_o adult_n age_n whereby_o they_o be_v engage_v to_o duty_n 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