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this_o argument_n that_o no_o ancient_a interpreter_n have_v thus_o apply_v they_o but_o on_o the_o contrary_n have_v refer_v they_o oxon._n to_o other_o promise_n thus_o st._n cyprian_n refer_v they_o to_o that_o petition_n in_o the_o lord_n prayer_n forgive_v we_o our_o trespass_n and_o interpret_v confess_v in_o st._n john_n by_o this_o petition_n in_o the_o prayer_n to_o which_o he_o say_v forgiveness_n be_v promise_v st._n john_n therefore_o say_v that_o god_n who_o keep_v his_o promise_n be_v faithful_a to_o forgive_v sin_n because_o he_o who_o have_v teach_v we_o to_o pray_v for_o our_o sin_n have_v promise_v that_o his_o fatherly_a mercy_n and_o pardon_n shall_v follow_v the_o roman_a gloss_n say_v god_n be_v faithful_a who_o promise_v grace_n to_o the_o humble_a oecumenius_n refer_v this_o to_o isaiah_n 43._o 26._o where_o loc._n according_a to_o the_o septuagint_a translation_n the_o word_n be_v tell_v thy_o sin_n first_o that_o thou_o may_v be_v justify_v which_o be_v usher_v in_o with_o that_o promise_n v_o 25._o ay_o even_o i_o be_o he_o that_o blot_v out_o thy_o transgression_n for_o my_o own_o sake_n and_o will_v not_o remember_v thy_o sin_n lyra_n say_v god_n be_v faithful_a to_o forgive_v we_o our_o sin_n because_o he_o promise_v so_o mat._n 3._o 2._o repent_v you_o for_o the_o kingdom_n of_o god_n be_v at_o hand_n you_o see_v that_o the_o ancient_a interpreter_n can_v find_v other_o promise_n both_o in_o the_o old_a and_o new_a testament_n which_o oblige_v god_n to_o forgive_v sin_n before_o auricular_a confession_n be_v pretend_v to_o be_v institute_v and_o not_o one_o of_o they_o dream_v that_o st._n john_n have_v relation_n to_o that_o promise_n beside_o which_o mr_n m._n affirm_v there_o be_v not_o another_o in_o the_o new_a testament_n how_o will_v he_o reconcile_v this_o to_o his_o profession_n of_o faith_n in_o which_o he_o promise_v never_o to_o interpret_v scripture_n but_o according_a to_o the_o unanimous_a consent_n of_o the_o father_n when_o there_o be_v not_o one_o father_n to_o vouch_v his_o sense_n of_o this_o place_n and_o several_a against_o he_o he_o 6._o but_o 3._o suppose_v that_o consequence_n follow_v from_o this_o place_n which_o he_o infer_v that_o god_n will_v not_o remit_v sin_n under_o the_o new_a testament_n without_o the_o ministry_n of_o his_o priest_n yet_o it_o will_v not_o follow_v that_o auricular_a confession_n be_v necessary_a because_o under_o the_o old_a law_n the_o sin_n of_o the_o people_n be_v not_o pardon_v without_o the_o ministry_n of_o god_n priest_n and_o yet_o it_o be_v confess_v that_o auricular_a confession_n be_v not_o then_o institute_v beside_o if_o the_o ministry_n of_o the_o priest_n be_v necessary_a why_o shall_v that_o be_v understand_v rather_o of_o their_o private_a than_o public_a ministry_n and_o last_o their_o ministry_n may_v be_v necessary_a on_o other_o account_n than_o hear_v confession_n and_o pronounce_v absolution_n thus_o oecumenius_n make_v the_o 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church_n now_o it_o be_v plain_a that_o the_o jewish_a church_n both_o teach_v and_o practise_v idolatry_n and_o be_v charge_v as_o idolatrous_a 1._o when_o aaron_n with_o the_o whole_a congregation_n sacrifice_v to_o the_o calf_n and_o afterward_o when_o the_o king_n of_o judah_n establish_v idolatry_n in_o the_o very_a temple_n of_o god_n in_o which_o idolatry_n the_o priest_n prophet_n prince_n and_o people_n concur_v as_o we_o may_v see_v jer._n 2._o 26._o and_o yet_o neither_o their_o succession_n nor_o church_n fail_v sect._n 8._o 2._o the_o primitive_a church_n do_v not_o look_v on_o all_o idolatry_n as_o destructive_a of_o the_o be_v and_o succession_n of_o a_o church_n because_o she_o allow_v the_o succession_n of_o those_o she_o count_v idolater_n such_o she_o reckon_v the_o arian_n as_o we_o may_v learn_v from_o athanasius_n and_o gregory_n nyssen_n and_o yet_o the_o succession_n of_o the_o arian_n be_v allow_v in_o 1612._o felix_n bishop_n of_o rome_n in_o 27._o meletius_n 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